Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-16 Thread Curt Raymond
Yeah thats more than I want to pay... I sold my Plus for $15 last year, now I 
see a guy advertising on Craig's $25 for any 9 mac...

I've got a 512K I gutted to make a fishtank but never built the inside bits...

-Curt

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I have a 500 already, really need that faster bus and large drive  
capability.

Color classic is $150, complete, last week when I was there.  Kicking  
myself, because I was picking them up at the Goodwill for $10 a decade  
ago and thinking I was hot stuff selling on eBay for $75.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
Not so, computers have surged w ahead in the last 12-18 months 
especially in my business (video production) largely because of the availablity 
of 64 bit operating systems.

I think what we're seeing on the home market now is that people don't really DO 
all that much and for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that 
much horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 2GB of 
RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web browsing/web 
page creation/graphics editing front as a home user. Systems today are 
(interestingly) the same number (around 2.4Ghz) but you start talking dual core 
processors and faster bus speeds so effectively 2-2.5x the speed of the machine 
I have. Mine is maxed out for RAM and its slow RAM and I can't run a 64 bit OS 
so theres more speed available on the newer machine there too. Oh I also can't 
use an SATA hard drive which is faster so again more speed. With the proper OS 
and a bucketload of RAM and good video card and whatnot I'd say a machine 
comparable to mine in today's tech is maybe 4-5x faster overall. Thats speed I 
don't need of course, my system is
 totally adequate.

My video editing system is a dual 2.2Ghz with 2GB of RAM and BADLY needs 
replacing as its too slow to do any practical HD video work. I've got a pretty 
big, mostly HD project coming up so I need an upgrade. Dual 3.0Ghz systems with 
faster bus speeds are only a couple hundred bucks so I think I'm going to go 
that route.

Life on the trailing edge...

-Curt

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You might not need to upgrade for quite some time. It seems like  
computer technology has hit various walls, and computer's haven't  
gotten significantly faster in recent years. My dad is still using a  
desktop I built for him in 2002, and its maybe 50-75% as powerful as  
the standard low end desktops they're selling nowadays. Not enough to  
make a noticeable difference for normal tasks like web browsing and  
writing... It has an Athlon XP 1500+ cpu and a gigabyte of ram.

In comparison, a 7 year old computer in 2002 would have been something  
like 50-100mhz, and probably have 32mb of ram- several orders of  
magnitude slower than the computers being sold in 2002 and useless for  
running modern applications at the time.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much 
horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 
2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web 
browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.


As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We 
just

upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
1998 and still running strong.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Steve MacSween
on 1/15/09 10:40, Jim Cathey at j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much
 horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with
 2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web
 browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.
 
 As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
 apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We
 just
 upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
 1998 and still running strong.
 

Seconded by my Mac Molar G3 that sends this.

mac (not an apple)


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
$2400 new...

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really like 
the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a new version I 
think geez the old version is perfect what could they change? Then I use the 
new version for ahwile and think Holy crap this is fantastic...
I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:40:52 -0800
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 for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much 
 horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 
 2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web 
 browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.

As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We 
just
upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
1998 and still running strong.

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0


Curt Raymond wrote:

$2400 new...

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really like the newer versions of 
Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a new version I think geez the old version is perfect 
what could they change? Then I use the new version for ahwile and think Holy crap this 
is fantastic...
I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey

That'll be an old version of Photoshop?


CS2.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?


Creative Suite is newer.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
little).

Allan

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said:
  That'll be an old version of Photoshop?
 
 CS2.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

ohh, OK, may install it and see what it does.

Jim Cathey wrote:
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?


Creative Suite is newer.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
I *think* CS = 7 but now theres CS2 and CS3... Could even be CS4 by now for all 
I know.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:12 -0600
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I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0

Curt Raymond wrote:
 $2400 new...
 

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really
like the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a
new version I think geez the old version is perfect what could they
change? Then I use the new version for ahwile and think Holy crap
this is fantastic...
 I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...
 
 -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop, they're just enough 
different...

I'm still trying though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:18 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Luther

CS4 is already several months (August '08?) old.

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

I *think* CS = 7 but now theres CS2 and CS3... Could even be CS4 by now for all 
I know.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:12 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
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I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0


Curt Raymond wrote:
  

$2400 new...




That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really
like the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a
new version I think geez the old version is perfect what could they
change? Then I use the new version for ahwile and think Holy crap
this is fantastic...
  

I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt




  


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread tyler
There is a modified version of gimp that aims to duplicate the photoshop 
interface. I think it's called gimpshop or something.


Curt Raymond wrote:

The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop, they're just enough 
different...

I'm still trying though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:18 -0500
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I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread OK Don
 Life on the trailing edge...


I resemble that remark 

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
I finally got rid of my Mac Plus. Kept my SCSI zip drive in case I ever find 
that Color Classic II I've always wanted...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:41 -0600
From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com
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 Life on the trailing edge...


I resemble that remark 

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:55:19 -0800 (PST), Curt
wrote:

 The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop,
 they're just enough different...
 
 I'm still trying though.

I've used both extensively. Most of the tools are quite
similar - but the keyboard short cuts are _not_!! Even the
menu location is different. However, it's trivial to change
shortcuts in the GIMP, so one could make them match Photoshop.


I can get more done in a given amount of time with Adobe -
but I have not yet found anything I needed to do that I
_could_ not do in the GIMP. So if time is money, Adobe can be
worth it.  But since it won't run native on my Linux
machines

I know, it runs with Wine - but since I have the GIMP, why
bother? 

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Redghost

Store by me has a Color classic II for sale.


clay

On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I finally got rid of my Mac Plus. Kept my SCSI zip drive in case I  
ever find that Color Classic II I've always wanted...


-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:41 -0600
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
Cheap? With the keyboard?
I can't get the MDD for you, its already on the list to get tossed but I could 
get a 500Mhz G4, could even load it with RAM.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:55:51 -0800
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Store by me has a Color classic II for sale.


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Sure it's not just a regular Color Classic?  IIRC the CC2 was a Far
East-only model.

On 1/15/09, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 Store by me has a Color classic II for sale.


 clay

 On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 I finally got rid of my Mac Plus. Kept my SCSI zip drive in case I
 ever find that Color Classic II I've always wanted...

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:41 -0600
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Redghost
I have a 500 already, really need that faster bus and large drive  
capability.


Color classic is $150, complete, last week when I was there.  Kicking  
myself, because I was picking them up at the Goodwill for $10 a decade  
ago and thinking I was hot stuff selling on eBay for $75.


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On Jan 15, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Cheap? With the keyboard?
I can't get the MDD for you, its already on the list to get tossed  
but I could get a 500Mhz G4, could even load it with RAM.


-Curt

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Store by me has a Color classic II for sale.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Redghost
The body is CC, but upgraded to CC2.  They have a True Believer who  
runs the mac end.  He can get most anything, and this probably came in  
as a recycle item.  They take your old stuff for free, but charge for  
your monitor.  End up with pallets of hardware and mostly just  
deconstruct it, salvage, and sell what will fetch a reasonable price.


www.re-pc.com

clay


On Jan 15, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


Sure it's not just a regular Color Classic?  IIRC the CC2 was a Far
East-only model.

On 1/15/09, Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

Store by me has a Color classic II for sale.


clay

On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:


I finally got rid of my Mac Plus. Kept my SCSI zip drive in case I
ever find that Color Classic II I've always wanted...

-Curt

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Life on the trailing edge...



I resemble that remark 

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-14 Thread RELNGSON
 ...What he said.  I have both Intel and G4 Macs in the house, and I kept 
 the G4s on 10.4.  They seem happier
 
My G4 MDD and 10.4.11 are doing OK, thank you. And one of the experts at the 
Apple store agreed with me about not upgrading. So, I won't. Yet.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-14 Thread Tyler
You might not need to upgrade for quite some time. It seems like  
computer technology has hit various walls, and computer's haven't  
gotten significantly faster in recent years. My dad is still using a  
desktop I built for him in 2002, and its maybe 50-75% as powerful as  
the standard low end desktops they're selling nowadays. Not enough to  
make a noticeable difference for normal tasks like web browsing and  
writing... It has an Athlon XP 1500+ cpu and a gigabyte of ram.


In comparison, a 7 year old computer in 2002 would have been something  
like 50-100mhz, and probably have 32mb of ram- several orders of  
magnitude slower than the computers being sold in 2002 and useless for  
running modern applications at the time.


Tyler

On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:34 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...What he said.  I have both Intel and G4 Macs in the house, and I  
kept

the G4s on 10.4.  They seem happier

My G4 MDD and 10.4.11 are doing OK, thank you. And one of the  
experts at the

Apple store agreed with me about not upgrading. So, I won't. Yet.

RLE


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