Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
Yes, it came with an attachment for marinating. A plastic pan with a lid and a vacuum fitting. Put the meat in the pan with the marinating sauce and hook it up to the vacuum machine and hit the button for marinating. It cycles a few times and pulls the fluid into the meat. We have tried that only once so far but it seemed to work well. Randy whose wife likes gadgets? Yesterday she came home with a new toaster oven On 08/04/2013 5:18 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Those work well for high speed marinating, too. Putting something under a vacuum really forces the liquid into the meat, so you don't have to marinade as long. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back on etc. Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too. OR, vacuum bag it! My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags after sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad. She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it up into smaller packages and freezes it. We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps. Randy ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If you could clean the wire it would be fine but given the cost of a new roll, it is easier to buy a new one. Randy On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Apr 6, 2013 6:51 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I'm by no means an expert on wire welding, but everyone seems to agree to toss the HF wire and buy a decent brand. The word is that it makes all the difference. That has been my experience as a beginner with a HF wire feed unit as well. Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. (Hurts to throw it away, though--the good stuff ain't cheap!) Alex ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. Randy Bennell wrote: I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If that's the case, then storing it in the freezer should slow down the oxidation. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
On 08/04/2013 2:15 PM, Fmiser wrote: On 06/04/2013 9:37 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. Randy Bennell wrote: I think, that what happens, is that the wire oxidizes. If that's the case, then storing it in the freezer should slow down the oxidation. -- Philip But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back on etc. Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too. OR, vacuum bag it! My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags after sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad. She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it up into smaller packages and freezes it. We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
Those work well for high speed marinating, too. Putting something under a vacuum really forces the liquid into the meat, so you don't have to marinade as long. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: But, it is a bit of a pain to take it off of the machine and put it back on etc. Although, it might be a good idea if you buy an extra roll when it is on sale, to keep it well sealed and maybe in the freezer too. OR, vacuum bag it! My wife just bought a kitchen appliance that seals food in plastic bags after sucking the air out. It is a cool doodad. She buys fresh meat in fairly large trays at Costco and then divides it up into smaller packages and freezes it. We were getting some freezer burn on packages that got a bit lost in the freezer so she is trying this to see if it helps. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
I'm by no means an expert on wire welding, but everyone seems to agree to toss the HF wire and buy a decent brand. The word is that it makes all the difference. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 6:43 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions. Had to do some repairs on the kid's trampoline today. Simple welding of some repair plate over a broken weld where one of the legs joins the frame. Using my HF welder, which has only 4 current settings but variable wire speed control, I had some problems. Seemed to have trouble finding a current and wire speed that would penetrate without blowing through. I finally managed by doing a series of tack welds and then filling in, but it didn't look very good when I was finished. The wire I'm using is the flux core that came with the welder, which is probably the cheapest Chinese wire they could find, so that may be part of the problem. Any advice for next time? Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
On Apr 6, 2013 6:51 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I'm by no means an expert on wire welding, but everyone seems to agree to toss the HF wire and buy a decent brand. The word is that it makes all the difference. That has been my experience as a beginner with a HF wire feed unit as well. Also, the wire goes stale after a while, and even good-quality wire that has been sitting in the garden shed for a year or so is only going to frustrate you. (Hurts to throw it away, though--the good stuff ain't cheap!) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MIG welding, some basic questions.
Been welding for about 40+ years, all types, all positions, so I have a little experience to draw from. [certified aerospace systems welder for a time] You said all the magic words for trouble getting a good weld. Flux core wire, few amperage selections, few wire speed selections, thin material. All of those factors work together to work against you. Likely add to that, the weld area was not cleaned to bright metal, so you had some oxidation to overcome which further challenged the flux core wire. You may have been more successful with the next size heavier wire, which would have let you add more metal to the weld puddle. Or, you may have been able to overcome that limitation by using a weaving motion which widens the weld puddle and doesn't let the concentration of heat build to the point of yield of the base material, rather than rely on the feed of wire to stack metal in a small location [which allows a concentration of heat buildup in a localized area, thus burn though], Welding rule of thumb.. thinner the material, more precise heat and fill rod control, more expensive the welder. Bring it a little closer to the computer so I can see what it's doing :)). Grant... On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Had to do some repairs on the kid's trampoline today. Simple welding of some repair plate over a broken weld where one of the legs joins the frame. Using my HF welder, which has only 4 current settings but variable wire speed control, I had some problems. Seemed to have trouble finding a current and wire speed that would penetrate without blowing through. I finally managed by doing a series of tack welds and then filling in, but it didn't look very good when I was finished. The wire I'm using is the flux core that came with the welder, which is probably the cheapest Chinese wire they could find, so that may be part of the problem. Any advice for next time? Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
