Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Apparently my phone doesn't want me to talk about the 19th century.
I even got the accent right.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini%C3%A9_ball
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:   On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:30:52 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I recently read a history of the 1953 Enfield rifle which was the first
> rifles musket in general use. At the time there was much discussion
> about the destructive capabilities of the Miné ball vs roundball.

1953?

Miné ball?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1853 enfield


Craig via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 7:55 PM
On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:30:52 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes

1953?

Miné ball?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 01:30:52 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I recently read a history of the 1953 Enfield rifle which was the first
> rifles musket in general use. At the time there was much discussion
> about the destructive capabilities of the Miné ball vs roundball.

1953?

Miné ball?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Shot placement is everything.Dad has a Brit SMLE that was converted from .303 
to 410 bore. It shoots well with slugs.I should check and see if it's legal 
here. I know we're not allowed larger than 10ga but I don't recall if there is 
a minimum.
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:52 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   I know I could have put meat in the 
freezer with a 410 slug or with a 
rifle.  (i'm talking 50 years ago)   The state only allowed 12, 16 or 20 
ga slugs.   I had no need for any of those otherwise, until I took up 
trapshooting.  By then I had lost interest in sitting in a tree freezing 
and hoping bambi blundered by.   There were not that many bambis at the 
time.   Later, in HS, I went out with a friend of mine.   He had slugs, 
and also a 303. He shot a field rat with the 303, and we hustled back to 
the camper and hid the rifle.   We were warming up water for hot 
chocolate when there was a knock o n the door.   Game warden...     he 
had heard the rifle from wherever he was and went hunting.    He had no 
luck that day. Later we took the  1 ton flatbed truck to the neighbor's 
timber and recovered the field rat.

A few years ago, field rats were thick but you still could not use 
anything else.

> Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> November 23, 2019 at 5:37 PM
> I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration 
> from a Rem 12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized 
> whitetail buck in the shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug 
> to the shape and size of a silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just 
> under the skin on the near side. The buck fell away from me, and the 
> second shot hit the heart.
>
> I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a 
> group. If rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put 
> venison in your freezer for sure.
>
> Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Our deer season is broken into two parts, the first two weeks of December are 
shotgun, then the second two are muzzleloader. Interestingly muzzleloaders can 
be rifles but no cartridge rifles are allowed.
As with roundball hunting shot placement is critical. Slugs and roundball 
should go in the "engine room", the lungs or heart. As you've found they don't 
do well with bones. I recently read a history of the 1953 Enfield rifle which 
was the first rifles musket in general use. At the time there was much 
discussion about the destructive capabilities of the Miné ball vs roundball.
During muzzleloader I'll be using 450grain "Buffalo bullets" out of my .54. 
Those go into the shoulder and break the hell out of whatever they hit.Actually 
when I'm hunting alone I'll probably always carry the muzzleloader, it's much 
more accurate and fun to shoot than the shotgun. The guys in my hunting group 
already think I'm weird, no need to remove any lingering doubts...
Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:37 PM, Greg Fiorentino 
wrote:   I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration 
from a Rem 12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized whitetail buck 
in the shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug to the shape and size of 
a silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just under the skin on the near side. 
The buck fell away from me, and the second shot hit the heart.

I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a group. If 
rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put venison in your freezer 
for sure.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger pull 
is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try it out.

Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:  If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I know I could have put meat in the freezer with a 410 slug or with a 
rifle.  (i'm talking 50 years ago)   The state only allowed 12, 16 or 20 
ga slugs.   I had no need for any of those otherwise, until I took up 
trapshooting.  By then I had lost interest in sitting in a tree freezing 
and hoping bambi blundered by.   There were not that many bambis at the 
time.   Later, in HS, I went out with a friend of mine.   He had slugs, 
and also a 303. He shot a field rat with the 303, and we hustled back to 
the camper and hid the rifle.   We were warming up water for hot 
chocolate when there was a knock o n the door.   Game warden...     he 
had heard the rifle from wherever he was and went hunting.    He had no 
luck that day. Later we took the  1 ton flatbed truck to the neighbor's 
timber and recovered the field rat.


A few years ago, field rats were thick but you still could not use 
anything else.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
November 23, 2019 at 5:37 PM
I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration 
from a Rem 12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized 
whitetail buck in the shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug 
to the shape and size of a silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just 
under the skin on the near side. The buck fell away from me, and the 
second shot hit the heart.


I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a 
group. If rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put 
venison in your freezer for sure.


Greg


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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I'm not a big fan of slugs. I had an experience of zero penetration from a Rem 
12 ga. slug fired from my 870. It struck a good-sized whitetail buck in the 
shoulder at about 45 yds. It flattened the slug to the shape and size of a 
silver dollar, and slid up to the neck just under the skin on the near side. 
The buck fell away from me, and the second shot hit the heart.

I will be impressed if the new trigger turns that pattern into a group. If 
rifle is legal in your area, that other group will put venison in your freezer 
for sure.

Greg

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Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger pull 
is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try it out.

Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:   If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Spent over two hours shooting clays this morning with folks from work. Did 
well, dusted a lot of clays, had some quality social time with coworkers. Even 
got my shotgun cleaned this afternoon after I got home. A beautiful day for it, 
too, high 70s, no humidity, clear skies.

One of our group had a brand new Mossberg 930 they were breaking in. I’m not 
big on semi auto shotguns for clays, but it was a nice gun and shot well.

Dick’s has shotgun ammo on sale right now instead of during their Black 
Friday/Thursday sale as they have in the past. $2.00 off a carton of Remington 
12GA shells. Guess I’ll be heading up there tomorrow with the ML or wagon to 
load up for next year.

-D smelling of Hoppes #9


> On Nov 23, 2019, at 6:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
> The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger 
> pull is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try 
> it out.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
> Mercedes wrote:   If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
> your offhand shots with the rifle
> scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
> distance to the target?
> 
> Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
>> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
>> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
>> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
>> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
>> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
>> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
>> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
>> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
>> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
>> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
>> picture...
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
>> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
>> we started...
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That's 50 yards with a rifle I hadn't shot for at least 20 years.
The big holes are indeed 12ga. I put the trigger kit in it today. Trigger pull 
is much nicer now. I need to find time to get back to the range and try it out.

Curt

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  On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 8:48 AM, Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes wrote:   If I'm judging the holes correctly, 
your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If I'm judging the holes correctly, your offhand shots with the rifle
scored a bulls-eye and a 9.  That is indeed impressive!  What was the
distance to the target?

Are the two really big holes from the Mossberg?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:20 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately
> but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan
> to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles)
> and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before
> we started...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Four thumbs up!   Nice!


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
November 20, 2019 at 11:19 AM
Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 
500 trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot 
adequately but not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the 
trigger. I plan to pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, 
don't change the angles) and figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while 
I was there...
As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my 
grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it 
with me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, 
buddy Ben looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under 
the paper, good windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll 
let you see the picture...

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there 
before we started...


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 LOL, good thing too.
Since he quit smoking my dad has gotten really random. When he bought his Jeep 
he told me "I saw the color and just had to have it." You have to understand 
that I'd never heard my dad talk like that before. I'm pretty sure that this is 
actually an alien replacement.
I don't remember the exact story on this gun but I expect its one he bought and 
is too small for him to shoot but it was a "good deal." I got my flintlock 
rifle the same way, its for a right handed shooter but my dad is left handed...
-Curt

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 1:05:47 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 20/11/2019 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Dad has a BT99 he wants Angie to have. Why her I have no idea...
>
> -Curt
>
Hi likes her!

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

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On 20/11/2019 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Dad has a BT99 he wants Angie to have. Why her I have no idea...

-Curt


Hi likes her!

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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They claim the reduced trigger pressure will help shooting clays. An 8# 
trigger is brutal for slugs...
If its warm-ish I might try sporting clays on Sunday. Definitely going the 
Saturday after Thanksgiving to shoot trap, Dad has a BT99 he wants Angie to 
have. Why her I have no idea...

-Curt

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 12:30:45 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I haven’t, but I’m going to dust some clays on Saturday morning with a bunch 
of people from work. Lousy timing as we’re closing on the new house Friday, but 
I want to take advantage of rubbing elbows with the bosses at the range...I’ve 
been itching to get out there but haven’t been able to find the time.

-D

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500 
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately but 
> not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan to 
> pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles) and 
> figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my 
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with 
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben 
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good 
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the 
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before we 
> started...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: M*Carbo?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I haven’t, but I’m going to dust some clays on Saturday morning with a bunch of 
people from work. Lousy timing as we’re closing on the new house Friday, but I 
want to take advantage of rubbing elbows with the bosses at the range...I’ve 
been itching to get out there but haven’t been able to find the time.

-D

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody ordered from M*Carbo before?I ordered one of their Mossberg 500 
> trigger kits yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frpF4vwy9Fk
> A week or so ago I fired my 500 with the slug barrel, it shot adequately but 
> not "minute of deer". I was thinking the problem is the trigger. I plan to 
> pull it apart and polish the seer (yeah I know, don't change the angles) and 
> figured a new spring wouldn't hurt while I was there...
> As an aside a month ago I found 180gr .300 Savage ammo, I've got my 
> grandfather's Savage 99 which shoots 150gr bullets sideways. I took it with 
> me to the range when I shot the 12ga. I fired 2 shots offhand, buddy Ben 
> looking through the scope says "I think you hit just under the paper, good 
> windage." We walk down range (50 yards) and, well I'll let you see the 
> picture...
> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49095377378_f969cfb3ed_b.jpg
> You can see the two hits below the paper, they must have been there before we 
> started...
> 
> -Curt
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