subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] OT \- Redistribution of Wealth"

At least that allows the rest of us to see who the losers of the genetic 
lottery are.  Self identify as dead end branch of the human species.  They also 
tend to be the ones wandering the freeway at midnight prior to becoming 
attractant for Jaguars.  There have yet to be images of Tri-Star cars involved 
in the current silliness fad.  Makes you wonder.

Clay

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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well we are trying to repeal the laws of nature. Now you are not born male or 
> female, you can be neither, either, or none. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

Well we are trying to repeal the laws of nature. Now you are not born male or 
female, you can be neither, either, or none. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am getting hints from people in the old country that there are attempts to 
> repeal the laws of physics.  They create an undue burden on the less 
> fortunate.  That is not equitable.
> 
> Clay
> 
> 
> inter urinas et faeces nascimur
> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My point was to just bring up the bizarreness of the idea that repealing 
>>> the castle doctrine helps redistribute wealth.
>> 
>> The same way as looting redistributes wealth. With no right to defend one's 
>> self, everything is free.
>> Now, those in Clay's old neck of the woods can't get insurance against such 
>> things.
>> 
>> Actions have consequences.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

Agreed. I didn’t read this on the net, but got it from someone who is not prone 
to distributing silly stuff. My bad.

As I used to tell my sister in law, who would send out every possible goofy 
thing she read on the Interwebs, “Did you check it on Snopes.com 
 first?

-D

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The first rule of the internet - you cannot believe everything you read on 
> the net
> 
> RB
> 
> On 29/12/2020 3:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thanks for the fact checking, Jim, I stand corrected for sharing the 
>> original content. Here’s the meat of what’s being said:
>> 
>> She added: “I filed this bill because the castle doctrine as it currently 
>> exists emboldens people to take justice into their own hands. While theft is 
>> obviously wrong, we have laws to address that. I don’t believe that stealing 
>> someone’s lawn ornament should be an offense punishable by death.”
>> 
>> The bill would add a requirement to try to safely retreat before using 
>> deadly force against an intruder, remove “robbery” and “aggravated robbery” 
>> from a list of crimes that allow deadly force outside of a person’s home and 
>> changes certain language, such as adding “habitation on land” when referring 
>> to using deadly force to protect property. The changes can be seen in detail 
>>  here  .
>> 
>> Users have written in saying Meza’s changes are not an amendment but a 
>> repeal of the doctrine. Reuters consulted legal experts via email to weigh 
>> in if the amendment would constitute an amendment or an effective 
>> elimination of the “castle doctrine” in Texas.
>> 
>> Susan T. Philips, Executive Professor at Texas A University School of Law 
>> (here), told Reuters that “Under Meza's amendment, before using deadly force 
>> as a defense to protect a person, a person must retreat if she can safely do 
>> so,” but that “there is no duty to retreat in your own home before using 
>> deadly force in defense of a person.” In her view, this shows the amendment 
>> keeps the castle doctrine.
>> 
>> Geary S. Reamey, Professor of Law at St. Mary's University School of Law in 
>> San Antonio (here), said that Meza’s bill actually “restores the retreat 
>> requirement and the "castle doctrine" to Texas law.” He argued the exception 
>> to the right to recede only applying for a person in their home is itself 
>> what makes the “castle doctrine” in Texas. According to Reamey, prior to 
>> this proposition, Texas did not have a “castle doctrine” at all, saying the 
>> doctrine “only exists in states in which a duty to retreat exists” and that 
>> “the castle doctrine is an exception to the duty to retreat.”
>> 
>> The quotes attributed to Meza are fabrications that were posted by a 
>> political satirist.
>> 
>> Well, it was fun while it lasted.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Google Texas HB196, that's all I did.  The text of the Bill is online,
>>> as is a Reuters article.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>> 
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The first rule of the internet - you cannot believe everything you read
on the net

On 29/12/2020 3:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for the fact checking, Jim, I stand corrected for sharing the original
content. Here’s the meat of what’s being said:

She added: “I filed this bill because the castle doctrine as it currently
exists emboldens people to take justice into their own hands. While theft is
obviously wrong, we have laws to address that. I don’t believe that stealing
someone’s lawn ornament should be an offense punishable by death.”

The bill would add a requirement to try to safely retreat before using deadly
force against an intruder, remove “robbery” and “aggravated robbery” from a
list of crimes that allow deadly force outside of a person’s home and changes
certain language, such as adding “habitation on land” when referring to using
deadly force to protect property. The changes can be seen in detail here .

Users have written in saying Meza’s changes are not an amendment but a repeal
of the doctrine. Reuters consulted legal experts via email to weigh in if the
amendment would constitute an amendment or an effective elimination of the
“castle doctrine” in Texas.

Susan T. Philips, Executive Professor at Texas A University School of Law
(here), told Reuters that “Under Meza's amendment, before using deadly force as a
defense to protect a person, a person must retreat if she can safely do so,” but
that “there is no duty to retreat in your own home before using deadly force in
defense of a person.” In her view, this shows the amendment keeps the castle
doctrine.

Geary S. Reamey, Professor of Law at St. Mary's University School of Law in San Antonio
(here), said that Meza’s bill actually “restores the retreat requirement and the
"castle doctrine" to Texas law.” He argued the exception to the right to recede
only applying for a person in their home is itself what makes the “castle doctrine” in
Texas. According to Reamey, prior to this proposition, Texas did not have a “castle
doctrine” at all, saying the doctrine “only exists in states in which a duty to retreat
exists” and that “the castle doctrine is an exception to the duty to retreat.”

The quotes attributed to Meza are fabrications that were posted by a political
satirist.

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

-D

On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Google Texas HB196, that's all I did. The text of the Bill is online,
as is a Reuters article.

-- Jim

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Thanks for the fact checking, Jim, I stand corrected for sharing the original 
content. Here’s the meat of what’s being said:

She added: “I filed this bill because the castle doctrine as it currently 
exists emboldens people to take justice into their own hands. While theft is 
obviously wrong, we have laws to address that. I don’t believe that stealing 
someone’s lawn ornament should be an offense punishable by death.”

The bill would add a requirement to try to safely retreat before using deadly 
force against an intruder, remove “robbery” and “aggravated robbery” from a 
list of crimes that allow deadly force outside of a person’s home and changes 
certain language, such as adding “habitation on land” when referring to using 
deadly force to protect property. The changes can be seen in detail  here  .  

Users have written in saying Meza’s changes are not an amendment but a repeal 
of the doctrine. Reuters consulted legal experts via email to weigh in if the 
amendment would constitute an amendment or an effective elimination of the 
“castle doctrine” in Texas.

Susan T. Philips, Executive Professor at Texas A University School of Law 
(here), told Reuters that “Under Meza's amendment, before using deadly force as 
a defense to protect a person, a person must retreat if she can safely do so,” 
but that “there is no duty to retreat in your own home before using deadly 
force in defense of a person.” In her view, this shows the amendment keeps the 
castle doctrine.

Geary S. Reamey, Professor of Law at St. Mary's University School of Law in San 
Antonio (here), said that Meza’s bill actually “restores the retreat 
requirement and the "castle doctrine" to Texas law.” He argued the exception to 
the right to recede only applying for a person in their home is itself what 
makes the “castle doctrine” in Texas. According to Reamey, prior to this 
proposition, Texas did not have a “castle doctrine” at all, saying the doctrine 
“only exists in states in which a duty to retreat exists” and that “the castle 
doctrine is an exception to the duty to retreat.”

The quotes attributed to Meza are fabrications that were posted by a political 
satirist.

Well, it was fun while it lasted.

-D

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> Google Texas HB196, that's all I did.  The text of the Bill is online,
> as is a Reuters article.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Oh heck yeah. I know someone isn't qualified for office merely because they're 
running. Nobody with any brains wants to hold political office...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

  On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 3:55 PM, Clay Monroe via 
Mercedes wrote:   The longer I live, the more I am 
thinking that the people who actually do something worthwhile and have a clue 
are just too busy to waste their lives and passion being elected.  The morons 
and ne’er do wells, on the other hand have nothing of value to contribute to 
the world and have the time to gather together and squabble about petty issues 
that end up causing vast harm to the population.

Best example is Alex O’cassional Cortex

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> And, how the he** did she get elected?
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 29/12/2020 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> More importantly, I wonder what this representative has done to redistribute 
>> her wealth?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
>>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and 
>>> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk 
>>> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:

 In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
 Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows 
 a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into 
 his home.

 Now listen to what she has to say...

 "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
 that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
 self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
 They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
 resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people 
 will be killed."

 Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
 homeowners from defending themselves.

 "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
 first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate 
 with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
 responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this 
 is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be 
 able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."

 "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner 
 does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his 
 losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more 
 equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a 
 peaceful one, so much, the better."

 https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine

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I am getting hints from people in the old country that there are attempts to 
repeal the laws of physics.  They create an undue burden on the less fortunate. 
 That is not equitable.

Clay


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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:09 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> My point was to just bring up the bizarreness of the idea that repealing the 
>> castle doctrine helps redistribute wealth.
> 
> The same way as looting redistributes wealth. With no right to defend one's 
> self, everything is free.
> Now, those in Clay's old neck of the woods can't get insurance against such 
> things.
> 
> Actions have consequences.
> 
> Rick

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The longer I live, the more I am thinking that the people who actually do 
something worthwhile and have a clue are just too busy to waste their lives and 
passion being elected.  The morons and ne’er do wells, on the other hand have 
nothing of value to contribute to the world and have the time to gather 
together and squabble about petty issues that end up causing vast harm to the 
population.

Best example is Alex O’cassional Cortex

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> And, how the he** did she get elected?
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 29/12/2020 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> More importantly, I wonder what this representative has done to redistribute 
>> her wealth?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
>>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and 
>>> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk 
>>> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:

 In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
 Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows 
 a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into 
 his home.

 Now listen to what she has to say...

 "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
 that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
 self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
 They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
 resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people 
 will be killed."

 Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
 homeowners from defending themselves.

 "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
 first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate 
 with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
 responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this 
 is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be 
 able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."

 "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner 
 does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his 
 losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more 
 equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a 
 peaceful one, so much, the better."

 https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine

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2020-12-29 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

When I lived in Houston I recall an incident not too far from where we 
lived.  Homeowner observes 2 young gentlemen attempting to steal his 
car, or stuff from it, on his property in the night. He shoots both of 
them, one terminated and I think other seriously, perhaps fatally, wounded.


Cops come, survey the situation, haul the thieves off after a time, and 
are on their way. There were howls from the usual crowd, including the 
families of the vics (they were good boys, etc.), Unfortunately for them 
they were not too smart, or rolled the dice expecting another result.  
The law was clear, if someone was on your property trying to steal stuff 
(or generally trespassing), they were running a significant risk of 
DRT.  And being Texas, this risk was high as those dumbasses found out 
the hard way.


The law does not say "in fear for my life" or anything like that.  The 
cops were pretty clear there was no reason to do anything to the 
homeowner, and everyone else was thankful the gene pool was cleansed a 
bit.  I vaguely recall the homeowner had to lawyer up, but the story was 
pretty clear -- you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.


I'm guess this Terry's district might include a large percentage of 
those in the shallow end of the gene pool who believe there might be 
some benefit to not being dealt with in their sociopathic pursuits by 
threatened homeowners.


--FT

On 12/29/20 10:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:

In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. Her bill would 
repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a homeowner to use 
deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his home.

  


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--FT


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German Jews will remember that the same “laws” were enacted for their benefit.

I read a story this morning about a church in Poland had been searching for 
it’s bell, taken by Nazis 75 years ago.  It turned up in the Munster abby, 
where it has been held since 1945.  It will eventually make it’s way back, but 
for some reason remains the “property” of Germany, which is going to “loan” it 
out.  

https://dailycaller.com/2020/12/29/church-bell-stolen-nazis-returned-poland-catholic/

Clay

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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 8:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if the 
> person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder you? 
> Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting sued? 
> You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed. 

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What a loon!

Time for somebody to head over to her abode and help themselves to her worldly 
goods while well armed.  Be it garden tools or heavy weapons.

This is the logical disconnect taking place between the ears of women elected 
to office
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvA49N8RQx0=263s 


She calls 911 after voting to defund the cops for what will become a non crime 
under the statutes she is championing


Clay


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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
> 
> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
> Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a 
> homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his 
> home.
> 
> 
> 
> Now listen to what she has to say... 
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
> that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people will 
> be killed."
> 
> 
> 
> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
> homeowners from defending themselves.
> 
> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with 
> the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this is 
> to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be able 
> to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
> 
> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," 
> Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On 
> balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable 
> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful 
> one, so much, the better."
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>  
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2020-12-29 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Things are different now but SWMBO could barely walk, much less run, when
she was alive.  Run is good if you can, safely.  Lethal force plus 911 if
you can't.  ABC:  arm, barricade, and communicate.

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I checked Reuters and the Bill text, and this is neither what the Bill says,
nor are the Meza quotes real.  That said, I don't necessarily agree with the
proposal, either.

I really don't believe that people have a duty to retreat from danger.
That should always be an _option_.

-- Jim

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I just had someone send it to me, please clarify. There may still be hope…

-D

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I checked Reuters, and this is neither what the Bill says,
> nor are the Meza quotes real.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Alles.
>> Incruckingfedable! The loonies are running the asylum!
>> This from a New England conservative.
>> Fred
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1:12 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> "We are doomed" make that read "They are doomed"
>>> As a student of human nature for more than 50 decades, I have yet to see a
>>> society that is subjected to slavery fail to revolt.  The only question to
>>> be answered in the present case is "Now, or later?"
>>> 
>>> Later defined as "After 70 years of absolute and total subjection by rulers
>>> who believe you are disposable servants to do their desire and will."
>>> 
>>> It's an individual choice, not a herd reaction.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:34 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if
 the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
 murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or
>>> risk
 getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
> 
> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced
 HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine
 allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who
>>> breaks
 into his home.
> 
> 
> 
> Now listen to what she has to say...
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying
 is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons
>>> for
 self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate.
 They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to
 resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people
 will be killed."
> 
> 
> 
> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent
 homeowners from defending themselves.
> 
> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at
 the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must
>>> cooperate
 with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's
 responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve
>>> this
 is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be
 able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
> 
> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner
 does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his
>>> losses.
 On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more
>>> equitable
 distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful
 one, so much, the better."
> 
> 
> 
> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I checked Reuters, and this is neither what the Bill says,
nor are the Meza quotes real.

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alles.
> Incruckingfedable! The loonies are running the asylum!
> This from a New England conservative.
> Fred
> 
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1:12 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> "We are doomed" make that read "They are doomed"
>> As a student of human nature for more than 50 decades, I have yet to see a
>> society that is subjected to slavery fail to revolt.  The only question to
>> be answered in the present case is "Now, or later?"
>> 
>> Later defined as "After 70 years of absolute and total subjection by rulers
>> who believe you are disposable servants to do their desire and will."
>> 
>> It's an individual choice, not a herd reaction.
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:34 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if
>>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
>>> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or
>> risk
>>> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
 
 In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced
>>> HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine
>>> allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who
>> breaks
>>> into his home.
 
 
 
 Now listen to what she has to say...
 
 
 
 "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying
>>> is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons
>> for
>>> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate.
>>> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to
>>> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people
>>> will be killed."
 
 
 
 Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent
>>> homeowners from defending themselves.
 
 "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at
>>> the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must
>> cooperate
>>> with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's
>>> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve
>> this
>>> is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be
>>> able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
 
 "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner
>>> does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his
>> losses.
>>> On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more
>> equitable
>>> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful
>>> one, so much, the better."
 
 
 
 
>>> 
>> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>>> <
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

I checked Reuters and the Bill text, and this is neither what the Bill
says, nor are the Meza quotes real.  That said, I don't necessarily
agree with the proposal, either.

I really don't believe that people have a duty to retreat from danger.
That should always be an _option_.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Frederick Moir via Mercedes

Alles.
Incruckingfedable! The loonies are running the asylum!
This from a New England conservative.
Fred

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1:12 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> "We are doomed" make that read "They are doomed"
> As a student of human nature for more than 50 decades, I have yet to see a
> society that is subjected to slavery fail to revolt.  The only question to
> be answered in the present case is "Now, or later?"
>
> Later defined as "After 70 years of absolute and total subjection by rulers
> who believe you are disposable servants to do their desire and will."
>
> It's an individual choice, not a herd reaction.
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:34 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if
> > the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
> > murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or
> risk
> > getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
> > >
> > > In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced
> > HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine
> > allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who
> breaks
> > into his home.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now listen to what she has to say...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying
> > is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons
> for
> > self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate.
> > They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to
> > resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people
> > will be killed."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent
> > homeowners from defending themselves.
> > >
> > > "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at
> > the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must
> cooperate
> > with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's
> > responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve
> this
> > is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be
> > able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
> > >
> > > "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner
> > does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his
> losses.
> > On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more
> equitable
> > distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful
> > one, so much, the better."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
> > <
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

"We are doomed" make that read "They are doomed"
As a student of human nature for more than 50 decades, I have yet to see a
society that is subjected to slavery fail to revolt.  The only question to
be answered in the present case is "Now, or later?"

Later defined as "After 70 years of absolute and total subjection by rulers
who believe you are disposable servants to do their desire and will."

It's an individual choice, not a herd reaction.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 10:34 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if
> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk
> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
> >
> > In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced
> HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine
> allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks
> into his home.
> >
> >
> >
> > Now listen to what she has to say...
> >
> >
> >
> > "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying
> is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for
> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate.
> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to
> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people
> will be killed."
> >
> >
> >
> > Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent
> homeowners from defending themselves.
> >
> > "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at
> the first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate
> with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's
> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this
> is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be
> able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
> >
> > "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner
> does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses.
> On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable
> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful
> one, so much, the better."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
> <
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Randy - you need to convert your home to a B and rent out rooms so all
those hapless yanks can meet their 14 day quarantine obligations.  Charge
them $100/night. The Aussies charge at least that, maybe more.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 1:06 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Andrew is right. Or you'll have a divorce attorney raping you, lol.
>
> Rick
>
>
> 
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> Don't fight them off - RUN AWAY.
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:49 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Well everywhere I go I always have beautiful women trying to rape me. I
> > have to fight them off.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 29/12/2020 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What
> > if the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
> > murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or
> risk
> > getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
> > >>
> > > Lord, what sort of demented soul would want to rape Kaleb?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

>My point was to just bring up the bizarreness of the idea that repealing the 
>castle doctrine helps redistribute wealth.

The same way as looting redistributes wealth. With no right to defend one's 
self, everything is free.
Now, those in Clay's old neck of the woods can't get insurance against such 
things.

Actions have consequences.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth


But, I won't know which are the friendly sorts and which are the crazies.
Wasn't a problem however. We drove across Indiana to Ohio and back and I 
don't recall stopping unless it was for food or fuel.


RB

On 29/12/2020 12:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Randy says:


So, what you are saying, is "if your car breaks down, don't go knocking
on doors looking for assistance as you may well be shot and the
homeowner will not be charged because he didn't know you and felt
threatened by your sudden appearance on his doorstep".

Not at all. Just don't attempt to enter someone's "castle" i.e. occupied shed, 
garage, car, house, without an invitation.
Hoosiers (once you get away from the FIBs) are some of the most friendly folks 
in the country.

"An armed society is a polite society."

https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-35-criminal-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-35-41-3-2.html

https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/the-castle-doctrine-and-indianas-controversial-new-law-FRxbimuYLTKSgBFB/

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Andrew is right. Or you'll have a divorce attorney raping you, lol.

Rick



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Don't fight them off - RUN AWAY.

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> have to fight them off.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 29/12/2020 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What
> if the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk
> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
> >>
> > Lord, what sort of demented soul would want to rape Kaleb?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

Randy says:

>So, what you are saying, is "if your car breaks down, don't go knocking
>on doors looking for assistance as you may well be shot and the
>homeowner will not be charged because he didn't know you and felt
>threatened by your sudden appearance on his doorstep". 

Not at all. Just don't attempt to enter someone's "castle" i.e. occupied shed, 
garage, car, house, without an invitation.
Hoosiers (once you get away from the FIBs) are some of the most friendly folks 
in the country.

"An armed society is a polite society."

https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-35-criminal-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-35-41-3-2.html

https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/the-castle-doctrine-and-indianas-controversial-new-law-FRxbimuYLTKSgBFB/

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

The Robin Hood Doctrine. 

Bob R

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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 10:52 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hard to say, but I'm not getting into a political discussion.
> 
> My point was to just bring up the bizarreness of the idea that repealing the 
> castle doctrine helps redistribute wealth. I can’t fathom how someone would 
> consider that as a part of a logical thought process.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> And, how the he** did she get elected?
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29/12/2020 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> More importantly, I wonder what this representative has done to 
>>> redistribute her wealth?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
 the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and 
 murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk 
 getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
> 
> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced 
> HB196. Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine 
> allows a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who 
> breaks into his home.
> 
> 
> 
> Now listen to what she has to say...
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying 
> is that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons 
> for self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to 
> cooperate. They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the 
> resident tries to resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is 
> armed, fewer people will be killed."
> 
> 
> 
> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
> homeowners from defending themselves.
> 
> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate 
> with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve 
> this is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders 
> will be able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the 
> homeowner."
> 
> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner 
> does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his 
> losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more 
> equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer 
> a peaceful one, so much, the better."
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Hey Randy - are your borders still sealed?

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 12:53 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On 29/12/2020 11:47 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> > As a side note, Indiana has the dichotomy of arguably the strongest
> castle doctrine laws in the country, with so called "Red Flag" laws.
> > Go figure.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > ___
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>
> So, what you are saying, is "if your car breaks down, don't go knocking
> on doors looking for assistance as you may well be shot and the
> homeowner will not be charged because he didn't know you and felt
> threatened by your sudden appearance on his doorstep". You had better
> have a working cell phone to call for a tow truck or you are just going
> to have to walk home. I did not know that when we drove across Indiana
> in July 2019. Good thing we didn't need any assistance.
>
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On 29/12/2020 11:47 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

As a side note, Indiana has the dichotomy of arguably the strongest castle doctrine laws 
in the country, with so called "Red Flag" laws.
Go figure.

Rick

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So, what you are saying, is "if your car breaks down, don't go knocking 
on doors looking for assistance as you may well be shot and the 
homeowner will not be charged because he didn't know you and felt 
threatened by your sudden appearance on his doorstep". You had better 
have a working cell phone to call for a tow truck or you are just going 
to have to walk home. I did not know that when we drove across Indiana 
in July 2019. Good thing we didn't need any assistance.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Don't fight them off - RUN AWAY.

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> Well everywhere I go I always have beautiful women trying to rape me. I
> have to fight them off.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 29/12/2020 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What
> if the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and
> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk
> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
> >>
> > Lord, what sort of demented soul would want to rape Kaleb?
> >
> > RB
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

Hard to say, but I'm not getting into a political discussion.

My point was to just bring up the bizarreness of the idea that repealing the 
castle doctrine helps redistribute wealth. I can’t fathom how someone would 
consider that as a part of a logical thought process.

-D

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And, how the he** did she get elected?
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> On 29/12/2020 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> More importantly, I wonder what this representative has done to redistribute 
>> her wealth?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
>>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and 
>>> murder you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk 
>>> getting sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:

 In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
 Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows 
 a homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into 
 his home.

 Now listen to what she has to say...

 "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
 that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
 self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
 They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
 resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people 
 will be killed."

 Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
 homeowners from defending themselves.

 "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
 first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate 
 with the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
 responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this 
 is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be 
 able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."

 "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner 
 does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his 
 losses. On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more 
 equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a 
 peaceful one, so much, the better."

 https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine

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Well everywhere I go I always have beautiful women trying to rape me. I have to 
fight them off. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 29/12/2020 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder 
>> you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting 
>> sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>> 
> Lord, what sort of demented soul would want to rape Kaleb?
> 
> RB
> 
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And, how the he** did she get elected?

On 29/12/2020 11:46 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

More importantly, I wonder what this representative has done to redistribute
her wealth?

-D

On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
wrote:

Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if the
person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder you?
Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting sued?
You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
wrote:

This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:

In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. Her bill would
repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a homeowner to use
deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his home.

Now listen to what she has to say...

"I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is that it
doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for self-protection and to provide the
householder an incentive to cooperate. They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the
resident tries to resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people will be
killed."

Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent homeowners
from defending themselves.

"Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the first sign
of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with the intruder. But if
violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt.
The best way to achieve this is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because
intruders will be able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the
homeowner."

"In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," Meza
reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On balance, the transfer of
property is likely to lead to a more equitable distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make
this transfer a peaceful one, so much, the better."

https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

It seems like such a thing would go against the protections of the 
constitution. 

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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 11:43 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just found the whole concept, politics aside, to be pretty ludicrous. Even 
> more so in a place like Texas.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder 
>> you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting 
>> sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
>>> 
>>> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
>>> Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a 
>>> homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his 
>>> home.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now listen to what she has to say... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
>>> that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
>>> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
>>> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
>>> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people 
>>> will be killed."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
>>> homeowners from defending themselves.
>>> 
>>> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
>>> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with 
>>> the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
>>> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this 
>>> is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be 
>>> able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
>>> 
>>> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner 
>>> does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. 
>>> On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable 
>>> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful 
>>> one, so much, the better."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>>>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

As a side note, Indiana has the dichotomy of arguably the strongest castle 
doctrine laws in the country, with so called "Red Flag" laws.
Go figure. 

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More importantly, I wonder what this representative has done to redistribute 
her wealth?

-D

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if the 
> person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder you? 
> Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting sued? 
> You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
>> 
>> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
>> Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a 
>> homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his 
>> home.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Now listen to what she has to say... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
>> that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
>> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
>> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
>> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people will 
>> be killed."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
>> homeowners from defending themselves.
>> 
>> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
>> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with 
>> the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
>> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this 
>> is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be 
>> able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
>> 
>> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," 
>> Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On 
>> balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable 
>> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful 
>> one, so much, the better."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>>  
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LOL

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 29/12/2020 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if 
>> the person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder 
>> you? Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting 
>> sued? You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.
>> 
> Lord, what sort of demented soul would want to rape Kaleb?
> 
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On 29/12/2020 11:34 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if the 
person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder you? 
Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting sued? 
You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed.


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I just found the whole concept, politics aside, to be pretty ludicrous. Even 
more so in a place like Texas.

-D

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if the 
> person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder you? 
> Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting sued? 
> You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
>> 
>> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
>> Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a 
>> homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his 
>> home.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Now listen to what she has to say... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
>> that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
>> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
>> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
>> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people will 
>> be killed."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
>> homeowners from defending themselves.
>> 
>> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
>> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with 
>> the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
>> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this 
>> is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be 
>> able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
>> 
>> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," 
>> Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On 
>> balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable 
>> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful 
>> one, so much, the better."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

Yea right. But with as many west coast folks moving in who knows. What if the 
person breaking in does not want to rob you but wants to rape and murder you? 
Are you just supposed to cooperate with being murdered or risk getting sued? 
You can’t make this stuff up. We are doomed. 

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> On Dec 29, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
> 
> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196. 
> Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a 
> homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his 
> home.
> 
> 
> 
> Now listen to what she has to say... 
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is 
> that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for 
> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate. 
> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to 
> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people will 
> be killed."
> 
> 
> 
> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent 
> homeowners from defending themselves.
> 
> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the 
> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with 
> the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's 
> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this is 
> to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be able 
> to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
> 
> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner does," 
> Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses. On 
> balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable 
> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful 
> one, so much, the better."
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth

2020-12-29 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Kind of losing the plot a bit

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020, 7:31 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> This is an interesting approach, especially in Texas:
>
> In Texas, State Representative Terry Meza (D-Irving) has introduced HB196.
> Her bill would repeal the state's "castle doctrine." This doctrine allows a
> homeowner to use deadly force against an armed intruder who breaks into his
> home.
>
>
>
> Now listen to what she has to say...
>
>
>
> "I'm not saying that stealing is okay," Meza explained. "All I'm saying is
> that it doesn't warrant a death penalty. Thieves only carry weapons for
> self-protection and to provide the householder an incentive to cooperate.
> They just want to get their loot and getaway. When the resident tries to
> resist is when people get hurt. If only one side is armed, fewer people
> will be killed."
>
>
>
> Meza was quick to reassure that her bill "would not totally prevent
> homeowners from defending themselves.
>
> "Under the new law, the homeowner's obligation is to flee the home at the
> first sign of intrusion. If fleeing is not possible, he must cooperate with
> the intruder. But if violence breaks out, it is the homeowner's
> responsibility to make sure no one gets hurt. The best way to achieve this
> is to use the minimum non-lethal force possible because intruders will be
> able to sue for any injuries they receive at the hands of the homeowner."
>
> "In most instances, the thief needs the money more than the homeowner
> does," Meza reasoned. "The homeowner's insurance will reimburse his losses.
> On balance, the transfer of property is likely to lead to a more equitable
> distribution of wealth. If my bill can help make this transfer a peaceful
> one, so much, the better."
>
>
>
>
> https://www.ennisdailynews.com/news/state-rep-terry-meza-d-irving-files-house-bill-remove-castle-doctrine
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Redistribution of Wealth