Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Actually the magic number is 3GB, Win 32 won't see the 4th GB. But thats beside the point, going 32bit now is short sighted, 64 bit is the future and it makes the processor run more efficiently plus allows you more RAM. RAM is power friends, the ability to sock more RAM into your machine means less caching to disk and that translates directly into better performance... I've got 64bit Linux on my laptop and it ROCKS. I put Vista64 on 2 machines in the classroom and as frustrating as Vista is the 64 bit version does get a slight performance edge over XP on the same machine. With Windows 7 I would expect that performance edge to increase. If you're going to stay 32bit you're better off getting an older machine with XP... -Curt Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:19:05 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? Message-ID: m1aanir9h2@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Unless you have more than 4GB of RAM, 64 bit is unnecessary. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil writes: I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:55 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually the magic number is 3GB, Win 32 won't see the 4th GB. But thats beside the point, going 32bit now is short sighted, 64 bit is the future and it makes the processor run more efficiently plus allows you more RAM. RAM is power friends, the ability to sock more RAM into your machine means less caching to disk and that translates directly into better performance... Not always. Apps need to be built for a 64 bit architecture to really have a benefit. 32bit apps will still only see 4GB of RAM. There's overhead with 64 bit addressing that can make 32bit apps actually run slower. It all depends on what you are wanting to do. If it's a new computer, you are putting a lot of RAM in it, and you are prepared to buy new 64 bit apps (e.g. a leading edge type of person) then it's probably the way to go. If you have a lot of old 32 bit software you want to keep using, and you are not buying a lot of RAM, you won't see much benefit from a 64 bit OS and it may actually cause you problems. A good SSD (solid state disk) would probably make a lot more difference in your perception of performance in this case. Some info here: http://www.w7forums.com/windows-7-64-bit-vs-32-bit-t484.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/09/revisiting-solid-state-hard-drives.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
s/apps/programs/ This is a computer, not an iPhone or Android device ;) Walt On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:55 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually the magic number is 3GB, Win 32 won't see the 4th GB. But thats beside the point, going 32bit now is short sighted, 64 bit is the future and it makes the processor run more efficiently plus allows you more RAM. RAM is power friends, the ability to sock more RAM into your machine means less caching to disk and that translates directly into better performance... Not always. Apps need to be built for a 64 bit architecture to really have a benefit. 32bit apps will still only see 4GB of RAM. There's overhead with 64 bit addressing that can make 32bit apps actually run slower. It all depends on what you are wanting to do. If it's a new computer, you are putting a lot of RAM in it, and you are prepared to buy new 64 bit apps (e.g. a leading edge type of person) then it's probably the way to go. If you have a lot of old 32 bit software you want to keep using, and you are not buying a lot of RAM, you won't see much benefit from a 64 bit OS and it may actually cause you problems. A good SSD (solid state disk) would probably make a lot more difference in your perception of performance in this case. Some info here: http://www.w7forums.com/windows-7-64-bit-vs-32-bit-t484.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/09/revisiting-solid-state-hard-drives.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Apps = applications, the term is appropriate. On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:32 -0400, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: s/apps/programs/ This is a computer, not an iPhone or Android device ;) Walt On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:55 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually the magic number is 3GB, Win 32 won't see the 4th GB. But thats beside the point, going 32bit now is short sighted, 64 bit is the future and it makes the processor run more efficiently plus allows you more RAM. RAM is power friends, the ability to sock more RAM into your machine means less caching to disk and that translates directly into better performance... Not always. Apps need to be built for a 64 bit architecture to really have a benefit. 32bit apps will still only see 4GB of RAM. There's overhead with 64 bit addressing that can make 32bit apps actually run slower. It all depends on what you are wanting to do. If it's a new computer, you are putting a lot of RAM in it, and you are prepared to buy new 64 bit apps (e.g. a leading edge type of person) then it's probably the way to go. If you have a lot of old 32 bit software you want to keep using, and you are not buying a lot of RAM, you won't see much benefit from a 64 bit OS and it may actually cause you problems. A good SSD (solid state disk) would probably make a lot more difference in your perception of performance in this case. Some info here: http://www.w7forums.com/windows-7-64-bit-vs-32-bit-t484.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/09/revisiting-solid-state-hard-drives.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Touché I had completely forgotten that the phone industry stole the term from comp-sci. Sorry for the blunder. Walt On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Apps = applications, the term is appropriate. On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 11:32 -0400, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: s/apps/programs/ This is a computer, not an iPhone or Android device ;) Walt On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 06:55 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually the magic number is 3GB, Win 32 won't see the 4th GB. But thats beside the point, going 32bit now is short sighted, 64 bit is the future and it makes the processor run more efficiently plus allows you more RAM. RAM is power friends, the ability to sock more RAM into your machine means less caching to disk and that translates directly into better performance... Not always. Apps need to be built for a 64 bit architecture to really have a benefit. 32bit apps will still only see 4GB of RAM. There's overhead with 64 bit addressing that can make 32bit apps actually run slower. It all depends on what you are wanting to do. If it's a new computer, you are putting a lot of RAM in it, and you are prepared to buy new 64 bit apps (e.g. a leading edge type of person) then it's probably the way to go. If you have a lot of old 32 bit software you want to keep using, and you are not buying a lot of RAM, you won't see much benefit from a 64 bit OS and it may actually cause you problems. A good SSD (solid state disk) would probably make a lot more difference in your perception of performance in this case. Some info here: http://www.w7forums.com/windows-7-64-bit-vs-32-bit-t484.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2010/09/revisiting-solid-state-hard-drives.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List Subject: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation and I could put lots of my other programs on that box while keeping my XP box up too (which I had to get a new mobo for as the other one got fried in a lightning storm) -- I tried to put the other new board/processor in the XP box but couldn't get it to boot properly with XP, wouldn't read the CD, etc. so just got a $50 replacement mobo and it is happy now. I will set up a dual boot on the new machine, and run a virtual linux on it too. I guess it makes some sense to go with the new winders -- which version would be recommended? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
The chip is a 64bit (or it says it has 64bit support, which I guess is the same thing), it looks like you can install it in either 32 or 64 mode. There is only $10 difference between ult and pro, looks like something called bit lock is the difference in feature set. Still pretty spendy though for either. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENEN=16816IsNodeId=1bop=AndActiveSearchResult=TrueCompareItemList=368|32-116-718^32-116-718-S01%2C32-116-717^32-116-717-S01 --R On 9/15/2010 10:58 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List Subject: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation and I could put lots of my other programs on that box while keeping my XP box up too (which I had to get a new mobo for as the other one got fried in a lightning storm) -- I tried to put the other new board/processor in the XP box but couldn't get it to boot properly with XP, wouldn't read the CD, etc. so just got a $50 replacement mobo and it is happy now. I will set up a dual boot on the new machine, and run a virtual linux on it too. I guess it makes some sense to go with the new winders -- which version would be recommended? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Running Win7 on 2 of our 3 machines. #7 upgrade on SWMBO machine at Win7 Basic on my netbook. Very stable and easy network at home. Gripe, I use OpenOffice and TBird. I don't seem able to make my TBird the default mail program. Hence, if I try to send a document from Open Office, it opens Outlook. -- Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 All Mail to: Secretary Hartford Evergreen Lodge #88 A.F. A.M. 34 Country Club Drive Windsor, CT 06095 - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? The chip is a 64bit (or it says it has 64bit support, which I guess is the same thing), it looks like you can install it in either 32 or 64 mode. There is only $10 difference between ult and pro, looks like something called bit lock is the difference in feature set. Still pretty spendy though for either. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENEN=16816IsNodeId=1bop=AndActiveSearchResult=TrueCompareItemList=368|32-116-718^32-116-718-S01%2C32-116-717^32-116-717-S01 --R On 9/15/2010 10:58 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List Subject: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation and I could put lots of my other programs on that box while keeping my XP box up too (which I had to get a new mobo for as the other one got fried in a lightning storm) -- I tried to put the other new board/processor in the XP box but couldn't get it to boot properly with XP, wouldn't read the CD, etc. so just got a $50 replacement mobo and it is happy now. I will set up a dual boot on the new machine, and run a virtual linux on it too. I guess it makes some sense to go with the new winders -- which version would be recommended? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
You'll have to do some homework to decide if you want to go the 64 bit route, to make sure your software and drivers for the hardware are available. MS has a website to help determine what is compatible (almost everything is, MS Office is the only thing so far that I know of), you'll have to go to vendor websites to see if 64 bit drivers are available. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 11:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? The chip is a 64bit (or it says it has 64bit support, which I guess is the same thing), it looks like you can install it in either 32 or 64 mode. There is only $10 difference between ult and pro, looks like something called bit lock is the difference in feature set. Still pretty spendy though for either. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENEN=16816 IsNodeId=1bop=AndActiveSearchResult=TrueCompareItemList=368|32-116-7 18^32-116-718-S01%2C32-116-717^32-116-717-S01 --R On 9/15/2010 10:58 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List Subject: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation and I could put lots of my other programs on that box while keeping my XP box up too (which I had to get a new mobo for as the other one got fried in a lightning storm) -- I tried to put the other new board/processor in the XP box but couldn't get it to boot properly with XP, wouldn't read the CD, etc. so just got a $50 replacement mobo and it is happy now. I will set up a dual boot on the new machine, and run a virtual linux on it too. I guess it makes some sense to go with the new winders -- which version would be recommended? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation If you have a licensed version of XP, you can run it using VirtualPC on the Home version of Windows 7 and save a Benjy or two (I can't remember the price difference just now between Home and Pro). Or you can go the real skinflint route like me: the software I was running on my XP machine also works on Win2K, so I bought a copy of the latter (which has no authorization scheme like XP) on eBay and am running that on VirtualPC. Win2K has lower RAM requirements, and also doesn't have the authorization nonsense of XP so can be installed as many times as you want (works well on Linux with VirtualBox). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
2K is amazing. That is all. Walt On Sep 15, 2010 12:57 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: OK I ha... If you have a licensed version of XP, you can run it using VirtualPC on the Home version of Windows 7 and save a Benjy or two (I can't remember the price difference just now between Home and Pro). Or you can go the real skinflint route like me: the software I was running on my XP machine also works on Win2K, so I bought a copy of the latter (which has no authorization scheme like XP) on eBay and am running that on VirtualPC. Win2K has lower RAM requirements, and also doesn't have the authorization nonsense of XP so can be installed as many times as you want (works well on Linux with VirtualBox). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.ok... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Unless you have more than 4GB of RAM, 64 bit is unnecessary. Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil writes: I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List Subject: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation and I could put lots of my other programs on that box while keeping my XP box up too (which I had to get a new mobo for as the other one got fried in a lightning storm) -- I tried to put the other new board/processor in the XP box but couldn't get it to boot properly with XP, wouldn't read the CD, etc. so just got a $50 replacement mobo and it is happy now. I will set up a dual boot on the new machine, and run a virtual linux on it too. I guess it makes some sense to go with the new winders -- which version would be recommended? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Your stuff is new, you will most likely have no issues with 64b; since you are already on the cusp of needing it any new RAM you buy will mean you will require converting to 64b anyway. There is compatibility mode for broken software. 64b is the way of the future, and no doubt enough for anyone. :) If you take a CS class at the local U you may find that you can get a legal free version for your personal use. Links may be in your banned archive. Oddly my wife's U offers 1 license of 2008 server to each student but not W7? But then that's what I wanted anyway. Not used for web serving of course (who would willingly expose a Windows computer to the internet?!) but I did read the license and think we are in compliance for house use. When I was shopping 7 I would not have paid the delta for Ultimate or whatever it is, IIRC it's just disk encryption or something. There used to be a cheap student upgrade (like $40 or something?), perhaps your daughter could hook you up. You could probably figure out a creative interpretation of the license, too, if she's not emancipated. If you care to remain legal of course... -Tim who can dig up links if you want, Google never forgets On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: The chip is a 64bit (or it says it has 64bit support, which I guess is the same thing), it looks like you can install it in either 32 or 64 mode. There is only $10 difference between ult and pro, looks like something called bit lock is the difference in feature set. Still pretty spendy though for either. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENEN=16816IsNodeId=1bop=AndActiveSearchResult=TrueCompareItemList=368|32-116-718^32-116-718-S01%2C32-116-717^32-116-717-S01 --R On 9/15/2010 10:58 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I have a new work computer, has 7 Enterprise 64 bit, and it's quite nice, but I think the Enterprise version is only offered to corporate clients? Colleague (contractor) buys his own, just upgraded to Ultimate 64 bit. Finding drivers is a problem for 64 bit, and also if you have a copy of Office that is 32 bit it won't work on the 64 bit. I think you're probably running a 32 bit machine, so that may be an easy choice. I would avoid the 'home' version and get at least mid-grade or higher. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 10:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Banned List Subject: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7? OK I have a whole new computer setup ready to go (AMD ADX635WFGMBOX Athlon II X4 635 2.9GHz 2MB Cache AM3 Quad-Core Processor , 4GB mem). I can boot it up on Ubuntu no problem. I would like to set it up to run Windows, I guess the newest version is Windows 7. It seems to come in various flavors, upgrades, OEM, etc. but exactly what they offer is somewhat obscure even after reading about them. I guess the pro or ultimate versions would be the one to get as it has XP emulation and I could put lots of my other programs on that box while keeping my XP box up too (which I had to get a new mobo for as the other one got fried in a lightning storm) -- I tried to put the other new board/processor in the XP box but couldn't get it to boot properly with XP, wouldn't read the CD, etc. so just got a $50 replacement mobo and it is happy now. I will set up a dual boot on the new machine, and run a virtual linux on it too. I guess it makes some sense to go with the new winders -- which version would be recommended? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Computer stuff - new Windows 7?
Walt wrote: 2K is amazing. That is all. Yep. That is the last win I want to see. I could say NT4 is sufficient. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
