Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Good thing I bought the new fuel lines too, after sending that "I fixed it!" 
email, the weed wacker began dripping fuel.  Work for tomorrow.
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Congrats!  II was guessing there were parts for other carb types.


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 5, 2017 at 6:23 PM
Well the kit must have extra parts, just put it all back together, 
installed a new properly gap spark plug, she runs just fine. Idle is a 
little high, I'll monkey with that later.


Didn't use the new fuel lines, I'll save those for later.

Now to look for Michaels boot kit...


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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Usually kits like that are universal for the type of carb and the carbs will 
vary by specific application. Are the extra metal pieces kind of dished disks? 
Those would be welch plugs. Often the jets are hidden behind the plugs, they're 
one use only and if water gets in and freezes it'll push out the welch plug 
instead of blowing out the jet. You drill through the old one and use a hook to 
yank it out, put the new one in place and tap it flat with a special tool. I 
made a tool by smoothing the head of a nail.
-Curt
 

On Tuesday, December 5, 2017, 7:23:55 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Well the kit must have extra parts, just put it all back together, installed a 
new properly gap spark plug, she runs just fine.  Idle is a little high, I'll 
monkey with that later.

Didn't use the new fuel lines, I'll save those for later.

Now to look for Michaels boot kit...
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 5, 2017 7:02:38 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Hahaha!  Surprise!
>
> Actually, I have no idea, and I feel your pain, but still, it strikes 
>me as funny.
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM
>> I've got this Zama carb rebuild kit, and I've taken apart the carb 
>> about as far as I think I should, but there are four extra gaskets
>and 
>> a couple extra small metal pieces? I'm hoping the kit is a universal 
>> type that is supposed to have extra parts.
>>
>> Educating via YouTube now...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

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On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:23:44 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Well the kit must have extra parts, just put it all back together,
> installed a new properly gap spark plug, she runs just fine.  Idle is a
> little high, I'll monkey with that later.

Congratulations!!!


> Now to look for Michaels boot kit...

I wish you success with that, too!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well the kit must have extra parts, just put it all back together, installed a 
new properly gap spark plug, she runs just fine.  Idle is a little high, I'll 
monkey with that later.

Didn't use the new fuel lines, I'll save those for later.

Now to look for Michaels boot kit...
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'95 E300

On December 5, 2017 7:02:38 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Hahaha!  Surprise!
>
> Actually, I have no idea, and I feel your pain, but still, it strikes 
>me as funny.
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM
>> I've got this Zama carb rebuild kit, and I've taken apart the carb 
>> about as far as I think I should, but there are four extra gaskets
>and 
>> a couple extra small metal pieces? I'm hoping the kit is a universal 
>> type that is supposed to have extra parts.
>>
>> Educating via YouTube now...
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hahaha!  Surprise!

 Actually, I have no idea, and I feel your pain, but still, it strikes 
me as funny.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM
I've got this Zama carb rebuild kit, and I've taken apart the carb 
about as far as I think I should, but there are four extra gaskets and 
a couple extra small metal pieces? I'm hoping the kit is a universal 
type that is supposed to have extra parts.


Educating via YouTube now...



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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've got this Zama carb rebuild kit, and I've taken apart the carb about as far 
as I think I should, but there are four extra gaskets and a couple extra small 
metal pieces?  I'm hoping the kit is a universal type that is supposed to have 
extra parts.  

Educating via YouTube now...
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

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> On December 3, 2017 at 1:24 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> My Ryobi saw is now refusing to be started - the pulley won't stay engaged
> with the dogs(?) on the flywheel

The on/off switch broke on my refurbished Ryobi 10532 a couple of years ago, so 
I started shutting it off with the choke, then had to pull it five times to 
restart it. After less than a week of that, the starter failed to engage.
I never yanked the starter, always pulled the cord slowly until I could feel 
the starter engage.  
It has the good Japanese engine, with cheap Chinese plastic, including the 
flywheel cover that houses the starter. I don't know whether the starter 
mechanicals come from Japan or China.
I'd meant to sell it to a list member the year before, but didn't get around to 
boxing it up to ship. Good for him I'm lazy, I guess. 
I still have two of those in new, not refurbished condition that I never took 
out of the box. 
Now I'm wondering what I'll find when I take the broken one apart. It was a 
nice little saw, not as light as my 35cc Husky, but noticeably more powerful 
and it went forever on a tank of gas. I should have just let it idle while 
dragging brush to the brushpile instead of shutting it off with the choke.

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That (cheap chine carb) may be a good thing.  Bad fuel will ruin any carb and 
those dual diaphragm types are particularly vulnerable.  I've replaced several 
carbs with eBay specials (same as OE model) for under $20 and got like-new 
performance thereafter.

> -Original Message-
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2017 8:53 AM
> 
> 
> Even Stihls come with Chinese Zama carbs now.
> Too bad you don't have a better Ryobi with a Japanese Zenoah engine.
> It'd say Zenoah on the base of the cylinder if you did.
> Mitch.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've got a Husky 445 I've been very happy with. Use canned gas to reduce age 
related problems.
Curt

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  On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 10:24 AM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:   My Ryobi saw is now refusing to be started - the pulley won't stay 
engaged
with the dogs(?) on the flywheel - they keep bending down out of the way. I
bought it as a refurb probably 15 years ago. I had to replace the carb
after letting it sit with ethanol contaminated fuel one winter, it's gone
through several chains, and now a new starter pulley assembly 0 that didn't
fix the problem. I can start it once, then have to tear it apart to bend
the dogs back up before it can be started again - frustrating!  I'm about
to pull the trigger and buy a Husqy from Amazon . . .

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 3, 2017 at 8:46 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ryobi, with MTD chinee engine, I think the carb says Zama or some such.
>
> Even Stihls come with Chinese Zama carbs now.
> Too bad you don't have a better Ryobi with a Japanese Zenoah engine.
> It'd say Zenoah on the base of the cylinder if you did.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[OK Don via Mercedes]

My Ryobi saw is now refusing to be started - the pulley won't stay engaged
with the dogs(?) on the flywheel - they keep bending down out of the way. I
bought it as a refurb probably 15 years ago. I had to replace the carb
after letting it sit with ethanol contaminated fuel one winter, it's gone
through several chains, and now a new starter pulley assembly 0 that didn't
fix the problem. I can start it once, then have to tear it apart to bend
the dogs back up before it can be started again - frustrating!  I'm about
to pull the trigger and buy a Husqy from Amazon . . .

On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 3, 2017 at 8:46 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ryobi, with MTD chinee engine, I think the carb says Zama or some such.
>
> Even Stihls come with Chinese Zama carbs now.
> Too bad you don't have a better Ryobi with a Japanese Zenoah engine.
> It'd say Zenoah on the base of the cylinder if you did.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 3, 2017 at 8:46 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ryobi, with MTD chinee engine, I think the carb says Zama or some such.

Even Stihls come with Chinese Zama carbs now. 
Too bad you don't have a better Ryobi with a Japanese Zenoah engine. 
It'd say Zenoah on the base of the cylinder if you did. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ryobi, with MTD chinee engine, I think the carb says Zama or some such.

My lawnmower is from same year, also MTD, starting to make bad noise on cold 
start.
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On December 2, 2017 9:23:38 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Max wrote:
>> ...this weed wacker is from circa 2001,
>
>Echo?  Our Echo ran bad.  My son fiddled and got it running like new.
>Sez they don't build them like that anymore.  Japan.
>tin.man
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 2, 2017 at 9:23 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Echo?  Our Echo ran bad.  My son fiddled and got it running like new.
> Sez they don't build them like that anymore.  Japan.
> tin.man

The  people who join forums to talk about outdoor power equipment looked down 
their noses at Echo, unfavorable power to weight ratio, especially compared to 
pro grade Stihl and Husky, but they had to admit that Echo was more than 
adequate for occasional homeowner use and very durable. Not to mention you 
could buy it at Home Depot for a song around the turn of the century. 

There is some demand for the old two cylinder Echos, among collectors and 
people with chain saw powered timber mills. With a sawmill, the ability to run 
minutes at full throttle without overheating is prized more than light weight, 
and a low vibration two cylinder engine is good when you have to hold onto it 
for long periods. John Deere saws used to be Echos, before they were Italian 
Efcos, before John Deere quit rebadging saws and made a deal to put Stihl in 
their stores. 

Around 5-10 years ago, when everybody was coming out with new designs to meet 
EPA regs, stratified charge, catalysts, etc, Echo started making chain saws 
with comparable performance to more expensive ones. But most pros and 
enthusiasts kept buying Husky,Stihl,Johnsoreds, and many homeowners turned to 
the new $90 Chinese saws.

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> ...this weed wacker is from circa 2001,

Echo?  Our Echo ran bad.  My son fiddled and got it running like new.
Sez they don't build them like that anymore.  Japan.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That sounds like what I have, looks like very limited adjustment of the plastic 
caps is allowed.
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On December 2, 2017 1:04:00 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Your plastic caps are probably the first generation of invasiveness,
>limiting how far you can turn the carb mixture screws.  They'd set the
>mixture at the factory then pop the cap on. 
>
>Some people (including some Stihl dealer mechanics prepping new chain
>saws for sale) used to just turn the screws as rich as they'd go and
>call it good. 
>Stihl actually had a tool, not for public sale, for removing their
>plastic limiter caps from the screws so that dealer mechanics could
>adjust the carbs. Timber cutters used to run a drywall screw into the
>cap to force it off the adjusting screw. 
>
>> On December 2, 2017 at 12:12 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Idle speed screw is "normal", and it looks as if there are two
>plastic adjustments on the carb that take a flat blade screw driver. 
>Rest of the screws are torx, which I have.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Your plastic caps are probably the first generation of invasiveness, limiting 
how far you can turn the carb mixture screws.  They'd set the mixture at the 
factory then pop the cap on. 

Some people (including some Stihl dealer mechanics prepping new chain saws for 
sale) used to just turn the screws as rich as they'd go and call it good. 
Stihl actually had a tool, not for public sale, for removing their plastic 
limiter caps from the screws so that dealer mechanics could adjust the carbs. 
Timber cutters used to run a drywall screw into the cap to force it off the 
adjusting screw. 

> On December 2, 2017 at 12:12 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Idle speed screw is "normal", and it looks as if there are two plastic 
> adjustments on the carb that take a flat blade screw driver.  Rest of the 
> screws are torx, which I have.

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Idle speed screw is "normal", and it looks as if there are two plastic 
adjustments on the carb that take a flat blade screw driver.  Rest of the 
screws are torx, which I have.
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On December 2, 2017 10:25:21 AM EST, Max Dillon  wrote:
>Sure hope I don't need those tools along with the rebuild kit, this
>weed wacker is from circa 2001, I'll check the carb adjustment screws
>now.
>-- 
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 2, 2017 at 10:45 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think you are safe.

Yes, I think this was a new phenomenon sometime around 2005.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think you are safe.


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 2, 2017 at 9:25 AM
Sure hope I don't need those tools along with the rebuild kit, this 
weed wacker is from circa 2001, I'll check the carb adjustment screws now.




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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sure hope I don't need those tools along with the rebuild kit, this weed wacker 
is from circa 2001, I'll check the carb adjustment screws now.
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

OMG the "Russian collusion probe" is going to come get for not being an 
EPA-licensed mechanic trained to adjust carbs and with the special 
permits to own adjustment tools.  Say goodbye to Poos as he is 
perp-walked off to Club Fed.


--FT


On 12/1/17 7:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Might as well be.  They’re all sorts of weird shapes:

"Pac Man, Small Head Pac Man, Single D, Small Head Single D, Double D, Hexagon, 7 
Teeth Splined, 21 Teeth Splined"

https://smile.amazon.com/Carburetor-Adjustment-Cycle-Engine-EONBES/dp/B01MG7T6QD/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8=1512175824=8-4=2+cycle+carb+adjusting+tools

-D


On Dec 1, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:47:11 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


When mine started acting up I got a set of the funky carb adjusting
tools from Amazon.  I was able to get it going again after adjusting
the carb.

"funky carb adjusting tools from Amazon."

Is that a brand name? :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'D rather throw out the fEuPcAk (you) screws and buy slotted carb 
screws than buy the retard screwdriver set.   Hopefully, the new Prez's 
administration will throw out the EPA rules.  At least he threw out the 
old fEuPcAk (you) administrator.


The one time I encountered this, we managed to get the screws out 
somehow, and cut slots with a dremel.  Problem solved, at least for that 
carb.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 2, 2017 at 6:48 AM
My issues were basically hard starting, nothing more. I couldn’t 
identify any reason for it as far as damaged or worn components, so I 
figured I needed a way to get the adjustments back to spec and start 
from there so I could properly diagnose it.


Once I got the tools and could get all the settings dialed in, I was 
able to determine that I just needed to make some mixture adjustments 
that were most likely necessary to compensate for wear. It’s been 
working fine ever since.


A good purchase, as I would have otherwise just tossed the thing and 
bought a new one.


-D


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

My issues were basically hard starting, nothing more. I couldn’t identify any 
reason for it as far as damaged or worn components, so I figured I needed a way 
to get the adjustments back to spec and start from there so I could properly 
diagnose it.

Once I got the tools and could get all the settings dialed in, I was able to 
determine that I just needed to make some mixture adjustments that were most 
likely necessary to compensate for wear.  It’s been working fine ever since.

A good purchase, as I would have otherwise just tossed the thing and bought a 
new one.

-D


> On Dec 1, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 1, 2017 at 7:49 PM Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
> 
>> "funky carb adjusting tools from Amazon."
>> 
>> Is that a brand name? :-)
> 
> Unfortunately there are now several carb adjustment screw heads on outdoor 
> power equipment which are designed to not be able to be turned with common 
> tools. Most of them are somewhat available to purchase, one or two were not 
> the last I knew. 
> 
> People started slotting the screws with dremel cutoff wheels, so the carb 
> makers started recessing the screws in tunnels in the carb body so you had to 
> slot the carb body too. It's as if they want your two stroke engine to run 
> lean and seize so they can sell you another one. 
> 
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[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

You can blame the EPA for that.

On Fri,12/1/17 22:13, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 1, 2017 at 7:49 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
  

"funky carb adjusting tools from Amazon."

Is that a brand name? :-)

Unfortunately there are now several carb adjustment screw heads on outdoor 
power equipment which are designed to not be able to be turned with common 
tools. Most of them are somewhat available to purchase, one or two were not the 
last I knew.

People started slotting the screws with dremel cutoff wheels, so the carb 
makers started recessing the screws in tunnels in the carb body so you had to 
slot the carb body too. It's as if they want your two stroke engine to run lean 
and seize so they can sell you another one.

Mitch.

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> On December 1, 2017 at 7:49 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
 
> "funky carb adjusting tools from Amazon."
> 
> Is that a brand name? :-)

Unfortunately there are now several carb adjustment screw heads on outdoor 
power equipment which are designed to not be able to be turned with common 
tools. Most of them are somewhat available to purchase, one or two were not the 
last I knew. 

People started slotting the screws with dremel cutoff wheels, so the carb 
makers started recessing the screws in tunnels in the carb body so you had to 
slot the carb body too. It's as if they want your two stroke engine to run lean 
and seize so they can sell you another one. 

Mitch.

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:51:45 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Might as well be.  They’re all sorts of weird shapes:
> 
> "Pac Man, Small Head Pac Man, Single D, Small Head Single D, Double D,
> Hexagon, 7 Teeth Splined, 21 Teeth Splined"
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/Carburetor-Adjustment-Cycle-Engine-EONBES/dp/B01MG7T6QD/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8=1512175824=8-4=2+cycle+carb+adjusting+tools

Yup, those are weird shapes. Thanks for the link.


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Might as well be.  They’re all sorts of weird shapes:

"Pac Man, Small Head Pac Man, Single D, Small Head Single D, Double D, Hexagon, 
7 Teeth Splined, 21 Teeth Splined"

https://smile.amazon.com/Carburetor-Adjustment-Cycle-Engine-EONBES/dp/B01MG7T6QD/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8=1512175824=8-4=2+cycle+carb+adjusting+tools

-D

> On Dec 1, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:47:11 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> When mine started acting up I got a set of the funky carb adjusting
>> tools from Amazon.  I was able to get it going again after adjusting
>> the carb.
> 
> "funky carb adjusting tools from Amazon."
> 
> Is that a brand name? :-)
> 
> 
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:47:11 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> When mine started acting up I got a set of the funky carb adjusting
> tools from Amazon.  I was able to get it going again after adjusting
> the carb.

"funky carb adjusting tools from Amazon."

Is that a brand name? :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When mine started acting up I got a set of the funky carb adjusting tools from 
Amazon.  I was able to get it going again after adjusting the carb.

-D

  
> On Dec 1, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Checked the in-tank fuel filter, it looks fine.  Also cleaned the air
> filter and oiled it, no change.  Ordered a carburetor rebuild kit, carb
> gasket, fuel lines with new fuel filter, and a spark plug.  $35 from Repair
> Clinic was the best price I could find, with estimated delivery date of 5
> December.  A new carburetor was about double the price of the kit.
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Checked the in-tank fuel filter, it looks fine.  Also cleaned the air
filter and oiled it, no change.  Ordered a carburetor rebuild kit, carb
gasket, fuel lines with new fuel filter, and a spark plug.  $35 from Repair
Clinic was the best price I could find, with estimated delivery date of 5
December.  A new carburetor was about double the price of the kit.

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Re: [MBZ] OT diagnosing 2-stroke engine issue

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Primer bulb is good.
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On November 29, 2017 6:10:25 PM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>That was what was wrong with mine. I got new filter on end of fuel
>line. Is
>your rubber primer bubble ok?
>
>Dwight Giles Jr.
>Wickford RI
>
>On Nov 29, 2017 5:56 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes"
>
>wrote:
>
>> I can check that, this is a really small engine, 31cc, for a weed
>wacker.
>> I think there is some filter.  Two different lines from the fuel
>tank, one
>> goes to squeeze bulb and the other direct to carb, so I can see how a
>> clogged filter could do that.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On November 29, 2017 5:17:20 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >On 29/11/2017 4:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb.
>> >What is the next step?  Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in
>> >fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
>> >
>> >maybe plugged fuel filter? Sometimes on the end of a hose inside the
>> >fuel tank.
>> >
>> >RB
>> >
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> On November 29, 2017 at 5:18 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Clean and/or kit; probably, or just buy a new carb.  they are usually 
> $10-15 online.

Agreed.

Sounds like a pumper carb with bad pump diaphragm or one way flapper valves in 
the fuel pump section of the carb.

The primer bulb just pumps gas through the fuel line into the carb. If the 
primer draws gas through the carb, the carb should be getting gas without it.

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Is there a weight on the end of the fuel line? Did it fall off?
New gas eats gas lines. My snowmobiles only get tygon fuel lines and my 
chainsaw only gets bottled gas. Its more expensive but it lasts well so I end 
up wasting way less of it.
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017, 6:10:31 PM EST, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That was what was wrong with mine. I got new filter on end of fuel line. Is
your rubber primer bubble ok?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 29, 2017 5:56 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I can check that, this is a really small engine, 31cc, for a weed wacker.
> I think there is some filter.  Two different lines from the fuel tank, one
> goes to squeeze bulb and the other direct to carb, so I can see how a
> clogged filter could do that.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On November 29, 2017 5:17:20 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >On 29/11/2017 4:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb.
> >What is the next step?  Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in
> >fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
> >
> >maybe plugged fuel filter? Sometimes on the end of a hose inside the
> >fuel tank.
> >
> >RB
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

That was what was wrong with mine. I got new filter on end of fuel line. Is
your rubber primer bubble ok?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 29, 2017 5:56 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I can check that, this is a really small engine, 31cc, for a weed wacker.
> I think there is some filter.  Two different lines from the fuel tank, one
> goes to squeeze bulb and the other direct to carb, so I can see how a
> clogged filter could do that.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On November 29, 2017 5:17:20 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >On 29/11/2017 4:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb.
> >What is the next step?  Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in
> >fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
> >
> >maybe plugged fuel filter? Sometimes on the end of a hose inside the
> >fuel tank.
> >
> >RB
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I pulled and pushed on the lines, they look fine.  Replaced those several years 
ago.
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On November 29, 2017 6:03:22 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Mine turned out to be hard fuel lines leaking air - try replacing the
>fuel
>lines first - cheap and easy to do. Replace the carb if that doesn't
>fix it.
>
>On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Good thought on getting complete carb.
>> --
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On November 29, 2017 5:18:30 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >Clean and/or kit; probably, or just buy a new carb.  they are
>usually
>> >$10-15 online.
>> >
>> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> >> November 29, 2017 at 4:15 PM
>> >> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb.
>> >> What is the next step? Overhaul the carburetor because the
>built-in
>> >> fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
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Mine turned out to be hard fuel lines leaking air - try replacing the fuel
lines first - cheap and easy to do. Replace the carb if that doesn't fix it.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Good thought on getting complete carb.
> --
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>
> On November 29, 2017 5:18:30 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Clean and/or kit; probably, or just buy a new carb.  they are usually
> >$10-15 online.
> >
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> November 29, 2017 at 4:15 PM
> >> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb.
> >> What is the next step? Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in
> >> fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
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Good thought on getting complete carb.
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On November 29, 2017 5:18:30 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Clean and/or kit; probably, or just buy a new carb.  they are usually 
>$10-15 online.
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> November 29, 2017 at 4:15 PM
>> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb. 
>> What is the next step? Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in 
>> fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
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I can check that, this is a really small engine, 31cc, for a weed wacker.  I 
think there is some filter.  Two different lines from the fuel tank, one goes 
to squeeze bulb and the other direct to carb, so I can see how a clogged filter 
could do that.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 29, 2017 5:17:20 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On 29/11/2017 4:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> 2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb. 
>What is the next step?  Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in
>fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?
>
>maybe plugged fuel filter? Sometimes on the end of a hose inside the 
>fuel tank.
>
>RB
>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Clean and/or kit; probably, or just buy a new carb.  they are usually 
$10-15 online.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
November 29, 2017 at 4:15 PM
2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb. 
What is the next step? Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in 
fuel pump or some diaphragm has died?


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On 29/11/2017 4:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

2-stroke engine will only run if I keep squeezing the primer bulb.  What is the 
next step?  Overhaul the carburetor because the built-in fuel pump or some 
diaphragm has died?


maybe plugged fuel filter? Sometimes on the end of a hose inside the 
fuel tank.


RB


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