Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
i love the look/feel of the wood burning experence and use my stove the same way collins 1985 500 sec phila pa In a message dated 2/21/2006 8:19:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Mike, I've had the fire going in my fireplace insert off and on since Nov. I wait until the temp will be consistantly below 45-50F. I'm home all the time (disabled) so it's easy for me to feed the monster. The doors seal really well choking the fire down so it's controlled. So I only have to refill it about 3 times a day - morning, afternoon and before bed. On really cold nights I'll get up at 3 or so and check it. I like the smell and seeing a curl of smoke coming out of the chimney is pleasant to see. But it *is* kinda messy - everytime I bring wood into the house I get the broom and dustpan to clean up.--- ;-) Sincerely, Larry T
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P.G.W phila gas works has been diong this to me 3 out or the five years i have been living at my house collins 1985 500 sec phila pa In a message dated 2/21/2006 8:20:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When we fired up the wood/coal stove the gas company came out to check out furnace - siad the bill was *too* low - we weren't using enough gas! They thought I had bypassed their metering system! Creeps!
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
When we fired up the wood/coal stove the gas company came out to check out furnace - siad the bill was *too* low - we weren't using enough gas! They thought I had bypassed their metering system! Creeps! I keep an eye on a friend's house while he's wintering in Florida. The power company sent him a letter last week demanding to know why his consumption had dropped. Sure, I'll just check the box that says seasonal use, please burgle my house while it's empty and mail it back to them.
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Aw, just send them back a note saying that you've invested heavily in long underwear and down sleeping bags and they can shove their high winter rates ;-) --Robert Mitch Haley wrote: When we fired up the wood/coal stove the gas company came out to check out furnace - siad the bill was *too* low - we weren't using enough gas! They thought I had bypassed their metering system! Creeps! I keep an eye on a friend's house while he's wintering in Florida. The power company sent him a letter last week demanding to know why his consumption had dropped. Sure, I'll just check the box that says seasonal use, please burgle my house while it's empty and mail it back to them. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Curt, Do you have a link to that mechanical splitter? I want a new toy. On 2/21/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've got a camp with a wood stove, does that count? During the week of hunting season we burnt about 1/8 a cord. The camp is nearly not insulated at all but temps weren't ever all that cold, low was maybe 20. Last year temps got down to single digits and in the week we went through around 1/4 cord. The stove is really too small so its hard to get enough wood in it so you can bank it down and get a long burn. We also don't have much good hardwood growing on the farm so we burn mostly a mixture of poplar (quakeing aspen) and spruce with a little bit of maple when its really cold. Our new toy this year was a manual wood splitter, its like a mechanical wood splitter but with a bottle jack for the pressure. For $100 it works slicker'n a smelt, I can split way faster with it than with an axe and its alot easier on me so I can split more per session. Chunks that are too long or too short I still whack with the axe but this is handy and way cheaper than a gas powered splitter. Wouldn't be that great if I had to do more than say a cord a year but for what we burn its great. Last fall my wife and I put up half a cord so we could start giving the wood some drying time. My Dad is lazy and would fight wet wood all the time but I don't like to play that game. A week spent fighting the stinking stove at 5F taught me that lesson. -Curt - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Do you have a link to that mechanical splitter? I want a new toy. I think I saw one at Harbor Freight. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Using it sounds like a great oxymoron - recreational work! On 2/22/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We got ours at a Homier tool show http://www.homier.com/detail.asp?SessionKey=cPECTCmg12JyZ5u7fAMBCiTwcnHy3qGgSKZIlkodWmcr%2b2d8n06K%2fOhMa%2fMcnljnBahiG3C%2fil6%2fdpt=cat=sku=01571 Ours is a different color than the one on their site, it says its out of stock. Harbor Freight has one too: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=33956which looks exactly the same although ours is blue. The action while using it is much like crosscountry skiing, work the two handles back and forth. One of the handles is connected to a much bigger cylinder so at some point that side becomes too hard to move so you work the smaller cylinder until the wood splits, then you can usually work both again until the split is far enough you can take the wood out. We find its most productive with two people one to work the arms and one to move the wood. We switch off because the one working the arms has to stand but the other person sits until theres a pile of split wood. Then both of us take a minute to stack that pile, adjust the pile of unsplit wood, switch jobs and continue. Ours was $99 at the show, one of the best investments we've made for the camp. -Curt Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:59:51 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, Do you have a link to that mechanical splitter? I want a new toy. - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ? This winter, since I'm unemployed, we stepped up the use of wood to near 100%. The furnace was only on one weekend that we were away. We have two old mid-70's fireplace inserts, one up and one down. Both have been running continuously since November, and have consumed all the dry wood I had for this year, and most of the not-so-dry that I'd laid in for next. Turns out my woodshed is only half the size it needs to be. The power bills have been significantly reduced, to around $100/month. Friends with an historic house have brought me the rusted-out pieces of the Heatilator that was in their fireplace to repair. (Welding for beer, using my finely-honed Frankenheap repair skills.) Their heating bills are running $400-$500/month, they're quite interested in augmenting their heat using the fireplace, yet don't want to ruin the look of the thing with an insert. Not to mention, a new insert costs more than cases of beer! Nor can a new Heatilator be purchased at any price. Without the Heatilator, using the wood isn't a gain. Too much lost up the chimney. With it, who knows? We all figure it can't hurt. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
i am going through 5 cord or so also osburn 2400 insert i am thinking about getting a pellet stove also!!! last months gas bill was bill was 277.00( gd) collins 1985 500 sec phila pa
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
When I lived near Boston I ran a woodstove in my kitchen of the old Victorian, kept the thermostat low, the heat went up the back stairs and kept upstairs nice and toasty. When got ready to sell the house the realtor wanted to add up the oil bills, came to $500some for the winter, she refused to believe that. Most people were spending that per month in the big old drafty houses. I'd run the boiler in the morning to get the house warm and then when I got home to warm it up, one of those cheap timer thermos, set it way low over night and during the day. I would scrounge wood from the neighborhood when the city or neighbors cut down trees, sometimes the city guys would drop off nice oak and maple they had cut up already into manageable chunks, i would split it. A few 6s now and again left out by the trash on pickup day kept the supply flowing. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:18:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PONDERSOA writes: in other news.. i was wondering how every one has been dong regarding house heat it has been a mild winter here in phila i have a wood stove insert that has saved me a fortune in heating costs in my living room fireplace and a fireplace in the basement that i use for enjoyment ( not a good efficient source of heat really) so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ? mike collins phila pa 1985 500 sec Go Villanova ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm -- YES GO 'NOVA!
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 07:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Without the Heatilator, using the wood isn't a gain. Too much lost up the chimney. With it, who knows? We all figure it can't hurt. -- Jim Fireplaces are a waste of wood. not only are they inefficient in the task of making heat from wood but you have a gaping hole in your house sucking out the heat as it dies out. Close the damper too soon and you get a house full of smoke. Find a good used insert or wood stove for him. Earn kegs of beer for pick-up, modification installation. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
when i moved in my house my neighbors were getting 800 a month gas bills my neighbor used to laugh at me for collecting wood ! ( if i EVER got a 800 dollar bill for ANYTHING i would have laid on the floor and instantaneously had a baby and died .) i used a smaller stove the first year the second year i purchased a larger one osburn 2400 my bills have been 160 to 300 ever since however my neighbor across the street has received an $1800.00 (eighteen hundred) dollar gas bill ...( yep that's right) he does not laugh at me any more collins 1985 500 sec phila pa
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and another one across the river from Philly - we're using a Better'n'Ben insert 24/7, and have about 5 acres of wood that is going to waste! But not using oil feels REAL good. Werner - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 06:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in other news.. i was wondering how every one has been dong regarding house heat it has been a mild winter here in phila i have a wood stove insert that has saved me a fortune in heating costs in my living room fireplace and a fireplace in the basement that i use for enjoyment ( not a good efficient source of heat really) so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ? mike collins phila pa 1985 500 sec Go Villanova Yup, we did this last week or so. I burn 5-6 cords each Winter. 2 Vermont castings stoves. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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I have been using only wood for heating for 35 years. We now have a Regency. I cut 3 cords of alder/maple a year off our place in the fall so I'm always a season ahead. I've fabracated a propane log lighter in the stove which eliminates the need for kindling or wadded up paper. I use about 5 gallons of propane in 6 mos. The black iron pipe is replaced with stainless steel which lasts a couple years. I should have done this years ago, it really takes the hassle outa burning wood. Regards Steve 85 Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K 79 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild 94 Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K 82 TD project wagon 64 VW Bug 65 D15, AC tractor so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ?
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Fireplaces are a waste of wood. not only are they inefficient in the task of making heat from wood but you have a gaping hole in your house sucking out the heat as it dies out. Close the damper too soon and you get a house full of smoke. Find a good used insert or wood stove for him. Earn kegs of beer for pick-up, modification installation. As the owners of a historic home they wish to maintain the original appearance (more-or-less, especially in the showpiece living room) and so don't really want to eliminate the fireplace if the Heatilator (a poor-man's insert) will work at all. The fireplace in question has glass doors, etc., already. They are closed during operation of the Heatilator. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Hey Mike,
I've had the fire going in my fireplace insert off and on since Nov. I wait
until the temp will be consistantly below 45-50F.
I'm home all the time (disabled) so it's easy for me to feed the monster.
The doors seal really well choking the fire down so it's controlled. So I
only have to refill it about 3 times a day - morning, afternoon and before
bed. On really cold nights I'll get up at 3 or so and check it.
I like the smell and seeing a curl of smoke coming out of the chimney is
pleasant to see. But it *is* kinda messy - everytime I bring wood into the
house I get the broom and dustpan to clean up.---
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:20 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:18:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PONDERSOA
writes:
in other news..
i was wondering how every one has been dong regarding house heat
it has been a mild winter here in phila
i have a wood stove insert that has saved me a fortune in heating costs
in
my living room fireplace and a fireplace in the basement that i use for
enjoyment ( not a good efficient source of heat really)
so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ?
mike collins
phila pa 1985 500 sec
Go Villanova
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
you wrote:,,add up the oil bills, came to $500some for the winter,
she refused to believe that
HA! Reminds me of when we lived in the mountains of western MD - where it
gets *really* cold. One Jan AM it was 90F below windshill - the wind found
a way to get into the basement and freeze a water line! Br.
When we fired up the wood/coal stove the gas company came out to check out
furnace - siad the bill was *too* low - we weren't using enough gas! They
thought I had bypassed their metering system! Creeps!
Same town that has a $100 min water/sewage bill! The house was empty for a
month between renters and we were *pisses* when that bill came in - $100
freakin' dollars with *no* one in the house!! Crooks! Where we live now,
our water bill is around $35 for 2 months! Zero for sewage as we have a
septic system.
Anyway -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
When I lived near Boston I ran a woodstove in my kitchen of the old
Victorian, kept the thermostat low, the heat went up the back stairs and
kept upstairs nice and toasty. When got ready to sell the house the
realtor wanted to add up the oil bills, came to $500some for the winter,
she refused to believe that. Most people were spending that per month
in the big old drafty houses. I'd run the boiler in the morning to get
the house warm and then when I got home to warm it up, one of those
cheap timer thermos, set it way low over night and during the day. I
would scrounge wood from the neighborhood when the city or neighbors cut
down trees, sometimes the city guys would drop off nice oak and maple
they had cut up already into manageable chunks, i would split it. A few
6s now and again left out by the trash on pickup day kept the supply
flowing.
--R
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:18:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PONDERSOA
writes:
in other news..
i was wondering how every one has been dong regarding house heat
it has been a mild winter here in phila
i have a wood stove insert that has saved me a fortune in heating costs
in
my living room fireplace and a fireplace in the basement that i use for
enjoyment ( not a good efficient source of heat really)
so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ?
mike collins
phila pa 1985 500 sec
Go Villanova
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
you wrote: Find a good used insert or wood stove
I've had both - and now use a Woodcheif Insert. It works well enough but
the free standing woodstove seems to be *much* better at providing heat.
The Woodchief has a built in fan to blow the heat away frm the stove but the
freestanding stove provided heat on 4 sides and the top - with a small fan
oscillating on the floor behind it, the heat was substantial.
The only probem with the freestanding unit it safety - plus, it takes up
valuable floor space.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 07:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
Without the Heatilator, using the wood
isn't a gain. Too much lost up the chimney. With it,
who knows? We all figure it can't hurt.
-- Jim
Fireplaces are a waste of wood. not only are they inefficient in the
task of making heat from wood but you have a gaping hole in your house
sucking out the heat as it dies out. Close the damper too soon and you
get a house full of smoke. Find a good used insert or wood stove for
him. Earn kegs of beer for pick-up, modification installation.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
you wrote:my bills have been 160 to 300 ever since
however my neighbor across the street has received an $1800.00 (eighteen
hundred) dollar gas bill
And they probably no longer wonder how you can drive a very nice MB!
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
when i moved in my house my neighbors were getting 800 a month gas bills
my neighbor used to laugh at me for collecting wood !
( if i EVER got a 800 dollar bill for ANYTHING i would have laid on the
floor and instantaneously had a baby and died .)
i used a smaller stove the first year the second year i purchased a
larger
one osburn 2400
my bills have been 160 to 300 ever since
however my neighbor across the street has received an $1800.00 (eighteen
hundred) dollar gas bill ...( yep that's right)
he does not laugh at me any more
collins
1985 500 sec
phila pa
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
My best wood stove was a furnace add-on a welder made for folks in Indiana.
It was an inner metal box about 14 x 18 surrounded by a 2 larger metal
box with a fan that attached to the central heat / AC plenum. It used the
existing duct work and heated the entire house. With the feed door acting
as a baffle you could easily regulate the amount of air and speed of burn.
The double wall system was pretty efficient, and with a temperature
activated blower to force warm air it saved me a lot of $$$ in Winter.
Wouldn't have wanted to have it in a part of the house as a decorator item,
though. Worked well, but was not especially pretty.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 271K miles Delvac
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you wrote: Find a good used insert or wood stove
I've had both - and now use a Woodcheif Insert. It works well enough but
the free standing woodstove seems to be *much* better at providing heat.
The Woodchief has a built in fan to blow the heat away frm the stove but the
freestanding stove provided heat on 4 sides and the top - with a small fan
oscillating on the floor behind it, the heat was substantial.
The only probem with the freestanding unit it safety - plus, it takes up
valuable floor space.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo) A Blood Test for your oil -
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Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Monday, February 20, 2006, at 07:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
Without the Heatilator, using the wood
isn't a gain. Too much lost up the chimney. With it,
who knows? We all figure it can't hurt.
-- Jim
Fireplaces are a waste of wood. not only are they inefficient in the
task of making heat from wood but you have a gaping hole in your house
sucking out the heat as it dies out. Close the damper too soon and you
get a house full of smoke. Find a good used insert or wood stove for
him. Earn kegs of beer for pick-up, modification installation.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 08:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've had both - and now use a Woodcheif Insert. It works well enough
but
the free standing woodstove seems to be *much* better at providing
heat.
The Woodchief has a built in fan to blow the heat away frm the stove
but the
freestanding stove provided heat on 4 sides and the top - with a small
fan
oscillating on the floor behind it, the heat was substantial.
The only probem with the freestanding unit it safety - plus, it takes
up
valuable floor space.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
We initially had one wood stove and a fireplace. After being deeply
involved in the physical aspect of cutting, splitting, stacking and
burning firewood, my wife realized the what a waste the fireplace was.
While I was down South working, she bought a mint Vermont Castings
Resolute Vigilant stove for $250 and had a couple of my good friends
install it on the hearth of our fireplace.
People like to see the flames for some reason. I am content knowing
that heat is being made. The stove she bought has glass in the door and
came with a cast iron piece to be used in lieu of glass.
From experience, I learned that to replace the glass with the right
stuff is expensive. Heat causes expansion which can cause the glass to
break, sudden cooling and impacts from wood being dropped in can also
break the glass. I removed the glass and cut it down the middle
allowing some expansion to prevent damage to the glass.
In the past few days this area was hit by sub-zero temps and 60-70mph
winds blowing down trees and utility poles causing widespread power
outages. We lost power for less than 2 hours but many thousands of
homes and businesses have been without power since mid-day Friday.
Frozen pipes are bursting and many folks are staying in mass shelters
until power is restored and pipes repaired. People are dying as a
result, at least 2 were killed when trees hit their vehicles while
driving.
We will be OK, our stoves provide not only heat, we cook in and on
them even when there is no power outage. I live a stones throw from
Lake George which also serves as a local source of domestic water. The
lake is still very clean and safe for drinking/cooking. If things get
bad, I can always go to the lake with 5gal buckets and ice spud in
hand. There are also several springs from which folks can draw as much
water as is needed. A small inconvenience in comparison to the plight
of others.
Staying warm is a life or death situation around here.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Johnny B. - you remind me of my years in the frozen wastelands of Indiana.
Sounds like you are far more prepared than most, certainly than I was. Got
down to -34 one weekend [couldn't believe my Chevy started on the first
crank]. One of our friends whose home was on a small hill lost power and
pipes froze in the basement. She had 2 - 3 feet of ice in her basement when
she got home. My [then difficult to afford] investment in the wood stove
suddenly seemed well worth it.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 271K - Delvac
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:38 AM
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On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 08:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've had both - and now use a Woodcheif Insert. It works well enough
but the free standing woodstove seems to be *much* better at providing
heat.
The Woodchief has a built in fan to blow the heat away frm the stove
but the freestanding stove provided heat on 4 sides and the top - with
a small fan oscillating on the floor behind it, the heat was
substantial.
The only probem with the freestanding unit it safety - plus, it takes
up valuable floor space.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
We initially had one wood stove and a fireplace. After being deeply
involved in the physical aspect of cutting, splitting, stacking and burning
firewood, my wife realized the what a waste the fireplace was.
While I was down South working, she bought a mint Vermont Castings
Resolute Vigilant stove for $250 and had a couple of my good friends install
it on the hearth of our fireplace.
People like to see the flames for some reason. I am content knowing
that heat is being made. The stove she bought has glass in the door and came
with a cast iron piece to be used in lieu of glass.
From experience, I learned that to replace the glass with the right
stuff is expensive. Heat causes expansion which can cause the glass to
break, sudden cooling and impacts from wood being dropped in can also break
the glass. I removed the glass and cut it down the middle allowing some
expansion to prevent damage to the glass.
In the past few days this area was hit by sub-zero temps and
60-70mph winds blowing down trees and utility poles causing widespread power
outages. We lost power for less than 2 hours but many thousands of homes and
businesses have been without power since mid-day Friday.
Frozen pipes are bursting and many folks are staying in mass shelters until
power is restored and pipes repaired. People are dying as a result, at least
2 were killed when trees hit their vehicles while driving.
We will be OK, our stoves provide not only heat, we cook in and on
them even when there is no power outage. I live a stones throw from Lake
George which also serves as a local source of domestic water. The lake is
still very clean and safe for drinking/cooking. If things get bad, I can
always go to the lake with 5gal buckets and ice spud in hand. There are also
several springs from which folks can draw as much water as is needed. A
small inconvenience in comparison to the plight of others.
Staying warm is a life or death situation around here.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 10:50 AM, BillR wrote: Johnny B. - you remind me of my years in the frozen wastelands of Indiana. Sounds like you are far more prepared than most, certainly than I was. Got down to -34 one weekend [couldn't believe my Chevy started on the first crank]. One of our friends whose home was on a small hill lost power and pipes froze in the basement. She had 2 - 3 feet of ice in her basement when she got home. My [then difficult to afford] investment in the wood stove suddenly seemed well worth it. BillR That happens all to frequently around here. There are many seasonal or 2nd homes in this area and many folks do not take precautions and return in the spring to a swimming pool in the basement. In recent years some mfrs are making hot water heaters with dense foam insulation. A great idea except when flooding occurs, they will float and break the water feed line making matters worse as the water will flow freely until someone stops it. The water heaters with fiberglass insulation generally will not float. Something to think about if you have a home in the frozen white North or a flood plain. I have learned an awful lot about things like this from working disasters with FEMA. Houses and coffins can float up out of the ground during floods too. Another lesson learned. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Having grown up in Illinois, I remember those winters and those winter woes
well. We were discussing weather the other night at the old nuke plant and a
native Az-er was trying to convince everyone that trying to keep cool in our
summers was harder than trying to stay warm in the back east winters. We
pretty much told him he was nuts, citing instances like Johnny B talked
about (it's fun giving crap to him...he was a Chief on a sub...he takes it
so well).
There is no comparison. When you're hot here, get in the shade...jump in a
pool. When you're freezing cold back there, without heat or the prospect of
heat, you're screwed.
Bob Rentfro (don't miss the winters...much)
'77 300D 149K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Johnny B. - you remind me of my years in the frozen wastelands of Indiana.
Sounds like you are far more prepared than most, certainly than I was. Got
down to -34 one weekend [couldn't believe my Chevy started on the first
crank]. One of our friends whose home was on a small hill lost power and
pipes froze in the basement. She had 2 - 3 feet of ice in her basement
when
she got home. My [then difficult to afford] investment in the wood stove
suddenly seemed well worth it.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD 'EM' 271K - Delvac
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:38 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 08:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've had both - and now use a Woodcheif Insert. It works well enough
but the free standing woodstove seems to be *much* better at providing
heat.
The Woodchief has a built in fan to blow the heat away frm the stove
but the freestanding stove provided heat on 4 sides and the top - with
a small fan oscillating on the floor behind it, the heat was
substantial.
The only probem with the freestanding unit it safety - plus, it takes
up valuable floor space.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
We initially had one wood stove and a fireplace. After being deeply
involved in the physical aspect of cutting, splitting, stacking and
burning
firewood, my wife realized the what a waste the fireplace was.
While I was down South working, she bought a mint Vermont Castings
Resolute Vigilant stove for $250 and had a couple of my good friends
install
it on the hearth of our fireplace.
People like to see the flames for some reason. I am content knowing
that heat is being made. The stove she bought has glass in the door and
came
with a cast iron piece to be used in lieu of glass.
From experience, I learned that to replace the glass with the right
stuff is expensive. Heat causes expansion which can cause the glass to
break, sudden cooling and impacts from wood being dropped in can also
break
the glass. I removed the glass and cut it down the middle allowing some
expansion to prevent damage to the glass.
In the past few days this area was hit by sub-zero temps and
60-70mph winds blowing down trees and utility poles causing widespread
power
outages. We lost power for less than 2 hours but many thousands of homes
and
businesses have been without power since mid-day Friday.
Frozen pipes are bursting and many folks are staying in mass shelters
until
power is restored and pipes repaired. People are dying as a result, at
least
2 were killed when trees hit their vehicles while driving.
We will be OK, our stoves provide not only heat, we cook in and on
them even when there is no power outage. I live a stones throw from Lake
George which also serves as a local source of domestic water. The lake is
still very clean and safe for drinking/cooking. If things get bad, I can
always go to the lake with 5gal buckets and ice spud in hand. There are
also
several springs from which folks can draw as much water as is needed. A
small inconvenience in comparison to the plight of others.
Staying warm is a life or death situation around here.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
So where do you get the wood? Around here, firewood is relatively expensive. The other alternative is to get it yourself but that requires a fair amount of equipment to do right. Also a dry place to store it etc. Also wonder about your insurance company. Around here, a woodstove is becoming an option that most insurance companies are not happy about. Proper installation is expensive and takes a fair amount of space. We are fortunate enough to have fairly reasonable natural gas rates so far. My 1800 square foot 2 storey costs, on average $150 per month to heat (including heating water). That is on a budget plan that runs throughout the year so we pay in the summer as well. Randy B in Winnipeg -Original Message- Subject: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:18:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PONDERSOA writes: in other news.. i was wondering how every one has been dong regarding house heat it has been a mild winter here in phila i have a wood stove insert that has saved me a fortune in heating costs in my living room fireplace and a fireplace in the basement that i use for enjoyment ( not a good efficient source of heat really) so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ? mike collins phila pa 1985 500 sec Go Villanova
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
you wrote:Staying warm is a life or death situation around here.
Sorry to hear about nature's fury around you!
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 08:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've had both - and now use a Woodcheif Insert. It works well enough
but
the free standing woodstove seems to be *much* better at providing
heat.
The Woodchief has a built in fan to blow the heat away frm the stove
but the
freestanding stove provided heat on 4 sides and the top - with a small
fan
oscillating on the floor behind it, the heat was substantial.
The only probem with the freestanding unit it safety - plus, it takes
up
valuable floor space.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
We initially had one wood stove and a fireplace. After being deeply
involved in the physical aspect of cutting, splitting, stacking and
burning firewood, my wife realized the what a waste the fireplace was.
While I was down South working, she bought a mint Vermont Castings
Resolute Vigilant stove for $250 and had a couple of my good friends
install it on the hearth of our fireplace.
People like to see the flames for some reason. I am content knowing
that heat is being made. The stove she bought has glass in the door and
came with a cast iron piece to be used in lieu of glass.
From experience, I learned that to replace the glass with the right
stuff is expensive. Heat causes expansion which can cause the glass to
break, sudden cooling and impacts from wood being dropped in can also
break the glass. I removed the glass and cut it down the middle
allowing some expansion to prevent damage to the glass.
In the past few days this area was hit by sub-zero temps and 60-70mph
winds blowing down trees and utility poles causing widespread power
outages. We lost power for less than 2 hours but many thousands of
homes and businesses have been without power since mid-day Friday.
Frozen pipes are bursting and many folks are staying in mass shelters
until power is restored and pipes repaired. People are dying as a
result, at least 2 were killed when trees hit their vehicles while
driving.
We will be OK, our stoves provide not only heat, we cook in and on
them even when there is no power outage. I live a stones throw from
Lake George which also serves as a local source of domestic water. The
lake is still very clean and safe for drinking/cooking. If things get
bad, I can always go to the lake with 5gal buckets and ice spud in
hand. There are also several springs from which folks can draw as much
water as is needed. A small inconvenience in comparison to the plight
of others.
Staying warm is a life or death situation around here.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
So where do you get the wood? Around here, firewood is relatively expensive. Off our hillside. We've got 20 acres of pine trees. Neighbors with less personal resources get a permit from the lumber company (it's cheap) and harvest from the slash piles. The other alternative is to get it yourself but that requires a fair amount of equipment to do right. Also a dry place to store it etc. You do need a woodshed, but otherwise nothing more than a pickup truck, axe, and chainsaw. And you can do without the truck if you are on flat land, and have a beater MB that you don't mind treating like a truck! (Take out seats and remove trunk lid, and fill 'er up!) See http://www.woodheat.org for lots more information, including plans for an ultra-cheap woodshed. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 01:40 PM, R A Bennell wrote: So where do you get the wood? Around here, firewood is relatively expensive. The other alternative is to get it yourself but that requires a fair amount of equipment to do right. Also a dry place to store it etc. My wood comes from the woods. Where else? I have access to many wood lots, logged land and logging headers. We do not own a wood lot but nature occasionally provides us with a blow-down. Another good source of easy to get at wood is when the Power Co clears the growth that can damage power lines. Also wonder about your insurance company. Around here, a woodstove is becoming an option that most insurance companies are not happy about. Proper installation is expensive and takes a fair amount of space. I go above and beyond building code requirements. I want to stay warm not die trying. We have no problem with insurance as a result of complying. We are fortunate enough to have fairly reasonable natural gas rates so far. My 1800 square foot 2 storey costs, on average $150 per month to heat (including heating water). That is on a budget plan that runs throughout the year so we pay in the summer as well. We fill our 1,000 gal tank every Summer when prices are more reasonable but only use between 400 and 600 gal/year. Our furnace supplies the hot water. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 11:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
you wrote:Staying warm is a life or death situation around here.
Sorry to hear about nature's fury around you!
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
Being prepared and resourceful makes it no big deal for us.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
Mike, We used wood stoves from the mid 70' s to the mid 90's and rarely had to turn on the central steam heat. I cut a good bit of what we used (i.e. free or cheap). Had to stop using wood because my wife was developing serious allergies. The best stove we found for our purpose was a Kresno. It could be burned open like a fire place or closed as an air tight stove. Really miss using it. We have a 4 year gas boiler and gas hot water heater. Looks like cost will peak to 300 to 350 during the coldest months for our 2000 sq. ft old house.) Richard Murdoch Winston-Salem NC 82 240D 82 300TDt (MLS Villanova '64) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/20 Mon PM 06:20:25 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm In a message dated 2/20/2006 6:18:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PONDERSOA writes: in other news.. i was wondering how every one has been dong regarding house heat it has been a mild winter here in phila i have a wood stove insert that has saved me a fortune in heating costs in my living room fireplace and a fireplace in the basement that i use for enjoyment ( not a good efficient source of heat really) so ... do we have any other wood burners out there ? mike collins phila pa 1985 500 sec Go Villanova ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Off Topic - keeping warm
We've got a camp with a wood stove, does that count? During the week of hunting
season we burnt about 1/8 a cord. The camp is nearly not insulated at all but
temps weren't ever all that cold, low was maybe 20. Last year temps got down to
single digits and in the week we went through around 1/4 cord.
The stove is really too small so its hard to get enough wood in it so you can
bank it down and get a long burn. We also don't have much good hardwood growing
on the farm so we burn mostly a mixture of poplar (quakeing aspen) and spruce
with a little bit of maple when its really cold.
Our new toy this year was a manual wood splitter, its like a mechanical wood
splitter but with a bottle jack for the pressure. For $100 it works slicker'n a
smelt, I can split way faster with it than with an axe and its alot easier on
me so I can split more per session. Chunks that are too long or too short I
still whack with the axe but this is handy and way cheaper than a gas powered
splitter. Wouldn't be that great if I had to do more than say a cord a year but
for what we burn its great. Last fall my wife and I put up half a cord so we
could start giving the wood some drying time. My Dad is lazy and would fight
wet wood all the time but I don't like to play that game. A week spent fighting
the stinking stove at 5F taught me that lesson.
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Hi Werner -
Bad news I was going to go to the Post Office - it started instantly - as
usual, backed out, put it in D and it went to 1000 or 1500 rpm then
started running rough with white smoke from the exhaust! The more gas I
tried to give, te more white smoke - Idled back to into the driveway and
pondered what I'd done - vacuumed, tightened the coolant cap - that's all I
did in the engine compartment. Guess I'll look for any loose wires or
hoses --
What was the outcome of
Any ideas? Could 3 or 4 GPs have gone bad? It warmed partly up to 50 or
60C at most but it kept doing the same thing. Turned it off, waited a few
seconds and restarted it - didn't help -
I'm confused! But MAN am I glad my wife didn't drive it to work and have
this happen! I'd never hear the end of it.
I know a lot about diesel engines, I rebuilt my 240D engine from the block
up - basically they need fuel and air - I'm thinking I should change the
fuel filters 1st - maybe I got bad gas ? Although I bought fuel at the same
place for my 240D without a problem. I checked the air filter yesterday
and it looked clean.
Any ideas? How can it run so perfectly one day and like crap the next? We
put close to a hundred miles on it yesterday (Monday) and it never missed a
beat. The tank had been filled up 2 days before - on Saturday. It ran
absolutely like a brand new car since we picked it up on Saturday -
This is what scared me away from gas engines --
Guess I'll take the 240D to the Post Office.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo, 78 240D)
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