Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
Yes we are, I was just saying it can't be done in a 140 Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > I thought we were talking about his '86 SDL - which would be an OM603 in a > 126 chassis. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> You for sure can't remove a 693 oil pan in a 140. >> >> >> -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
Too long ago - I don't remember the details, other than the steering link had to come out. I doubt that the radiator/condenser had to come out. Check the archives if you need to know for sure. On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Did the pan come out forward or backward? Did the radiator and condenser > have to come out? > > > -- > OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
I thought we were talking about his '86 SDL - which would be an OM603 in a 126 chassis. On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You for sure can't remove a 693 oil pan in a 140. > > > -- > OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
Did the pan come out forward or backward? Did the radiator and condenser have to come out? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On September 12, 2016 8:55:59 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: >I beg to differ, having done just that when the SDL slipped off the >jack >and put a hole in the pan. Also, yes, it can be welded. The trick is to >keep the top surface flat during the process - not that easy. An >experienced welder did mine, and it held until Kleb got the car - don't >know the current status. > >You have to remove a bunch of stuff and loosen an engine mount or two >and >lift the engine a bit, but you don't have to pull the engine to R&R the >pan. > >The saga of my pan is in the archives somewhere . . . > >On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible. >> >> There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) >bolted >> to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the >volume >> of oil in the pan. If you remove that "tank", there will be a very >small >> opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan. >I >> think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long? >Might >> allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) >if you >> do any drilling and tapping. >> >> In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but >make >> sure the low oil warning circuit is operating. >> >> If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, >and >> strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that >might be >> helpful and not too expensive. I'll bet that a previous driver / >owner ran >> into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan. >> >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> > > >-- >OK Don > >*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many >of >our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > >"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few >who >learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric >fence >for themselves." > >WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >2013 F150, 18 mpg >2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
You for sure can't remove a 693 oil pan in a 140. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > I beg to differ, having done just that when the SDL slipped off the jack > and put a hole in the pan. Also, yes, it can be welded. The trick is to > keep the top surface flat during the process - not that easy. An > experienced welder did mine, and it held until Kleb got the car - don't > know the current status. > > You have to remove a bunch of stuff and loosen an engine mount or two and > lift the engine a bit, but you don't have to pull the engine to R&R the pan. > > The saga of my pan is in the archives somewhere . . . > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible. >> >> There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted >> to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume >> of oil in the pan. If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small >> opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan. I >> think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long? Might >> allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you >> do any drilling and tapping. >> >> In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make >> sure the low oil warning circuit is operating. >> >> If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and >> strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be >> helpful and not too expensive. I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran >> into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan. >> >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC > > > -- > OK Don > > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
I beg to differ, having done just that when the SDL slipped off the jack and put a hole in the pan. Also, yes, it can be welded. The trick is to keep the top surface flat during the process - not that easy. An experienced welder did mine, and it held until Kleb got the car - don't know the current status. You have to remove a bunch of stuff and loosen an engine mount or two and lift the engine a bit, but you don't have to pull the engine to R&R the pan. The saga of my pan is in the archives somewhere . . . On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible. > > There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted > to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume > of oil in the pan. If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small > opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan. I > think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long? Might > allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you > do any drilling and tapping. > > In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make > sure the low oil warning circuit is operating. > > If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and > strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be > helpful and not too expensive. I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran > into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
My gf son in law has an Audi he cracked the oil pan on. With the crankcase empty, I poured a quart of lacquer thinner into the engine, and let it drain through the crack. I then pulled the oil cap and plug, and let it air dry (evaporate ) over night. I patched it with the permatex version of JB Weld and let that sit over night. Filled it with oil, and it is not leaking several months later. Devcon would be best, if it is available. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
> clay wrote: > > The SDL, after a bunch of cleaning has a messed up oil pan. I > think it is aluminum, and the PO seems to have damaged it a bit > such that it leaks through the hole that got made. An epoxy > patch has been applied that is now weeping. If that epoxy was just slapped on top, I'm not surprised it leaks. Point 1 - like with welding _clean_metal_ is important for a good bond with epoxy. Point 2 - If the pan is aluminum, I presume the metal has some thickness to it. Grind out a bevel so the epoxy isn't just on the surface. Point 3 - Don't use 5 minute epoxy. In my experience, those are handy for when there isn't time - but the slow set make a better joint. The pan off would make cleaning it easier, and could get the hole in a spot where gravity would help keep the epoxy in while it set. If it were mine, I would see if it was practical to take off the pan, but either way, I would clean it, grind out a bevel, clean it again, and use JB Weld to close it up. Jim's idea of a screw is good too. Again, clean is your friend. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
I see what you did there. ha ha. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > So, it Depends on what you use > > -FT > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
So, it Depends on what you use -FT On 9/12/16 11:53 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote: Thanks for that idea Max. I will try to figure out a way to amend the pan and patch so that a metal shield/panel would at least capture the seep and keep it all inside. A steel car diaper if you will clay -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
I have used jb water weld with good results to fix oil pans. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 12, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On 12/09/2016 2:05 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote: >> I do not know the size of the hole. It is slathered in some epoxy, might be >> JB Weld for all I can tell. The patch has failed such that the oil is >> oozing/seeping out a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the >> asphalt. That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed >> petroleum goodness. >> >> I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just what >> I am dealing with. What I can surmise is that at one point the car hit >> something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and dirty >> repair. Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have been >> negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit >> >> clay > > There are special epoxy kits offered for repairing fuel tanks etc. > I wonder if they would have a better chance of remaining sealed? > You could, after draining the oil and flushing the pan, grind off the > existing epoxy and then clean it good and apply a new epoxy patch. > That might be as good as any fix. > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
On 12/09/2016 2:05 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote: I do not know the size of the hole. It is slathered in some epoxy, might be JB Weld for all I can tell. The patch has failed such that the oil is oozing/seeping out a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the asphalt. That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed petroleum goodness. I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just what I am dealing with. What I can surmise is that at one point the car hit something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and dirty repair. Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have been negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit clay There are special epoxy kits offered for repairing fuel tanks etc. I wonder if they would have a better chance of remaining sealed? You could, after draining the oil and flushing the pan, grind off the existing epoxy and then clean it good and apply a new epoxy patch. That might be as good as any fix. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
Thanks for that idea Max. I will try to figure out a way to amend the pan and patch so that a metal shield/panel would at least capture the seep and keep it all inside. A steel car diaper if you will clay > On Sep 12, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible. > > There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted > to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume > of oil in the pan. If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small > opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan. I > think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long? Might > allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you > do any drilling and tapping. > > In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make > sure the low oil warning circuit is operating. > > If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and > strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be > helpful and not too expensive. I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran > into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan. > > - > Max > Charleston SC > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:05 AM, clay via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I do not know the size of the hole. It is slathered in some epoxy, might >> be JB Weld for all I can tell. The patch has failed such that the oil is >> oozing/seeping out a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the >> asphalt. That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed >> petroleum goodness. >> >> I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just >> what I am dealing with. What I can surmise is that at one point the car >> hit something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and >> dirty repair. Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have >> been negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit >> >> clay >> >>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult. It gets into the pores >>> and ruins the weld. How big is the hole? Could it be drilled and >> tapped, >>> and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it? >>> >>> -- Jim >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible. There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume of oil in the pan. If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan. I think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long? Might allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you do any drilling and tapping. In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make sure the low oil warning circuit is operating. If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be helpful and not too expensive. I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan. - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:05 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote: > I do not know the size of the hole. It is slathered in some epoxy, might > be JB Weld for all I can tell. The patch has failed such that the oil is > oozing/seeping out a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the > asphalt. That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed > petroleum goodness. > > I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just > what I am dealing with. What I can surmise is that at one point the car > hit something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and > dirty repair. Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have > been negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit > > clay > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult. It gets into the pores > > and ruins the weld. How big is the hole? Could it be drilled and > tapped, > > and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it? > > > > -- Jim > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
I do not know the size of the hole. It is slathered in some epoxy, might be JB Weld for all I can tell. The patch has failed such that the oil is oozing/seeping out a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the asphalt. That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed petroleum goodness. I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just what I am dealing with. What I can surmise is that at one point the car hit something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and dirty repair. Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have been negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit clay > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult. It gets into the pores > and ruins the weld. How big is the hole? Could it be drilled and tapped, > and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it? > > -- Jim > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld
Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult. It gets into the pores and ruins the weld. How big is the hole? Could it be drilled and tapped, and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com