Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes we are, I was just saying it can't be done in a 140

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> On Sep 13, 2016, at 6:43 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I thought we were talking about his '86 SDL - which would be an OM603 in a
> 126 chassis.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> You for sure can't remove a 693 oil pan in a 140.
>> 
>> 
>> --
> OK Don
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Too long ago - I don't remember the details, other than the steering link
had to come out. I doubt that the radiator/condenser had to come out. Check
the archives if you need to know for sure.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did the pan come out forward or backward?  Did the radiator and condenser
> have to come out?
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I thought we were talking about his '86 SDL - which would be an OM603 in a
126 chassis.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You for sure can't remove a 693 oil pan in a 140.
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Did the pan come out forward or backward?  Did the radiator and condenser have 
to come out?
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 12, 2016 8:55:59 PM EDT, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I beg to differ, having done just that when the SDL slipped off the
>jack
>and put a hole in the pan. Also, yes, it can be welded. The trick is to
>keep the top surface flat during the process - not that easy. An
>experienced welder did mine, and it held until Kleb got the car - don't
>know the current status.
>
>You have to remove a bunch of stuff and loosen an engine mount or two
>and
>lift the engine a bit, but you don't have to pull the engine to R the
>pan.
>
>The saga of my pan is in the archives somewhere . . .
>
>On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible.
>>
>> There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now)
>bolted
>> to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the
>volume
>> of oil in the pan.  If you remove that "tank", there will be a very
>small
>> opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan. 
>I
>> think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long? 
>Might
>> allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole)
>if you
>> do any drilling and tapping.
>>
>> In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but
>make
>> sure the low oil warning circuit is operating.
>>
>> If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound,
>and
>> strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that
>might be
>> helpful and not too expensive.  I'll bet that a previous driver /
>owner ran
>> into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>OK Don
>
>*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
>of
>our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
>"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
>who
>learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>for themselves."
>
>WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>2013 F150, 18 mpg
>2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You for sure can't remove a 693 oil pan in a 140.

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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 7:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I beg to differ, having done just that when the SDL slipped off the jack
> and put a hole in the pan. Also, yes, it can be welded. The trick is to
> keep the top surface flat during the process - not that easy. An
> experienced welder did mine, and it held until Kleb got the car - don't
> know the current status.
> 
> You have to remove a bunch of stuff and loosen an engine mount or two and
> lift the engine a bit, but you don't have to pull the engine to R the pan.
> 
> The saga of my pan is in the archives somewhere . . .
> 
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible.
>> 
>> There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted
>> to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume
>> of oil in the pan.  If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small
>> opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan.  I
>> think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long?  Might
>> allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you
>> do any drilling and tapping.
>> 
>> In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make
>> sure the low oil warning circuit is operating.
>> 
>> If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and
>> strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be
>> helpful and not too expensive.  I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran
>> into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I beg to differ, having done just that when the SDL slipped off the jack
and put a hole in the pan. Also, yes, it can be welded. The trick is to
keep the top surface flat during the process - not that easy. An
experienced welder did mine, and it held until Kleb got the car - don't
know the current status.

You have to remove a bunch of stuff and loosen an engine mount or two and
lift the engine a bit, but you don't have to pull the engine to R the pan.

The saga of my pan is in the archives somewhere . . .

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible.
>
> There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted
> to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume
> of oil in the pan.  If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small
> opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan.  I
> think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long?  Might
> allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you
> do any drilling and tapping.
>
> In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make
> sure the low oil warning circuit is operating.
>
> If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and
> strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be
> helpful and not too expensive.  I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran
> into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

My gf son in law has an Audi he cracked the oil pan on. With the crankcase 
empty, I poured a quart of lacquer thinner into the engine, and let it drain 
through the crack. I then pulled the oil cap and plug, and let it air dry 
(evaporate ) over night. I patched it with the permatex version of JB Weld and 
let that sit over night. Filled it with oil, and it is not leaking several 
months later.

Devcon would be best, if it is available.
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> clay wrote:
> 
> The SDL, after a bunch of cleaning has a messed up oil pan.  I
> think it is aluminum, and the PO seems to have damaged it a bit
> such that it leaks through the hole that got made.  An epoxy
> patch has been applied that is now weeping.

If that epoxy was just slapped on top, I'm not surprised it leaks.  

Point 1 - like with welding _clean_metal_ is important for a good
  bond with epoxy.

Point 2 - If the pan is aluminum, I presume the metal has some
  thickness to it.  Grind out a bevel so the epoxy isn't
  just on the surface.

Point 3 - Don't use 5 minute epoxy.  In my experience, those are
  handy for when there isn't time - but the slow set make a
  better joint.

The pan off would make cleaning it easier, and could get the hole
in a spot where gravity would help keep the epoxy in while it set.

If it were mine, I would see if it was practical to take off the
pan, but either way, I would clean it, grind out a bevel, clean it
again, and use JB Weld to close it up.

Jim's idea of a screw is good too.  Again, clean is your friend.

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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I see what you did there. ha ha.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So, it Depends on what you use
>
> -FT
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So, it Depends on what you use

-FT


On 9/12/16 11:53 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for that idea Max.  I will try to figure out a way to amend the pan and 
patch so that a metal shield/panel would at least capture the seep and keep it 
all inside.  A steel car diaper if you will

clay


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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have used jb water weld with good results to fix oil pans.

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> On Sep 12, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/09/2016 2:05 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I do not know the size of the hole.  It is slathered in some epoxy, might be 
>> JB Weld for all I can tell.  The patch has failed such that the oil is 
>> oozing/seeping out  a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the 
>> asphalt.  That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed 
>> petroleum goodness.
>> 
>> I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just what 
>> I am dealing with.  What I can surmise is that at one point the car hit 
>> something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and dirty 
>> repair.  Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have been 
>> negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit
>> 
>> clay
> 
> There are special epoxy kits offered for repairing fuel tanks etc.
> I wonder if they would have a better chance of remaining sealed?
> You could, after draining the oil and flushing the pan, grind off the 
> existing epoxy and then clean it good and apply a new epoxy patch.
> That might be as good as any fix.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 12/09/2016 2:05 AM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

I do not know the size of the hole.  It is slathered in some epoxy, might be JB 
Weld for all I can tell.  The patch has failed such that the oil is 
oozing/seeping out  a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the asphalt. 
 That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed petroleum 
goodness.

I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just what I 
am dealing with.  What I can surmise is that at one point the car hit something 
at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and dirty repair.  Had 
the under shield been in place, the damage would have been negligible, as the 
padded plastic shield would have taken the hit

clay



There are special epoxy kits offered for repairing fuel tanks etc.
I wonder if they would have a better chance of remaining sealed?
You could, after draining the oil and flushing the pan, grind off the 
existing epoxy and then clean it good and apply a new epoxy patch.

That might be as good as any fix.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[clay via Mercedes]

Thanks for that idea Max.  I will try to figure out a way to amend the pan and 
patch so that a metal shield/panel would at least capture the seep and keep it 
all inside.  A steel car diaper if you will

clay



> On Sep 12, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible.
> 
> There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted
> to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume
> of oil in the pan.  If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small
> opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan.  I
> think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long?  Might
> allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you
> do any drilling and tapping.
> 
> In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make
> sure the low oil warning circuit is operating.
> 
> If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and
> strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be
> helpful and not too expensive.  I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran
> into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:05 AM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I do not know the size of the hole.  It is slathered in some epoxy, might
>> be JB Weld for all I can tell.  The patch has failed such that the oil is
>> oozing/seeping out  a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the
>> asphalt.  That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed
>> petroleum goodness.
>> 
>> I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just
>> what I am dealing with.  What I can surmise is that at one point the car
>> hit something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and
>> dirty repair.  Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have
>> been negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult.  It gets into the pores
>>> and ruins the weld.  How big is the hole?  Could it be drilled and
>> tapped,
>>> and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Removing the oil pan without pulling the engine is not possible.

There is a side-mounted "tank" (I can't think of the word right now) bolted
to the passenger side of the oil pan, which serves to increase the volume
of oil in the pan.  If you remove that "tank", there will be a very small
opening that would give you limited access to the inside of the pan.  I
think the opening would be about an inch high and a few inches long?  Might
allow you to clean the inside of the pan (flush out the drain hole) if you
do any drilling and tapping.

In your situation, it's probably best to leave the patch alone, but make
sure the low oil warning circuit is operating.

If you could fabricate a metal plate to screw / bolt over the wound, and
strengthen it up so that catastrophic failure is less likely, that might be
helpful and not too expensive.  I'll bet that a previous driver / owner ran
into some object, damaging the leading edge of the bottom of the pan.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:05 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I do not know the size of the hole.  It is slathered in some epoxy, might
> be JB Weld for all I can tell.  The patch has failed such that the oil is
> oozing/seeping out  a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the
> asphalt.  That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed
> petroleum goodness.
>
> I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just
> what I am dealing with.  What I can surmise is that at one point the car
> hit something at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and
> dirty repair.  Had the under shield been in place, the damage would have
> been negligible, as the padded plastic shield would have taken the hit
>
> clay
>
> > On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult.  It gets into the pores
> > and ruins the weld.  How big is the hole?  Could it be drilled and
> tapped,
> > and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it?
> >
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[clay via Mercedes]

I do not know the size of the hole.  It is slathered in some epoxy, might be JB 
Weld for all I can tell.  The patch has failed such that the oil is 
oozing/seeping out  a fracture/inclusion and making small spots on the asphalt. 
 That is probably good for the macadam as it feeds it the needed petroleum 
goodness.

I guess I could topsider it and remove the offending patch to see just what I 
am dealing with.  What I can surmise is that at one point the car hit something 
at the lower corner of the pan and this was the quick and dirty repair.  Had 
the under shield been in place, the damage would have been negligible, as the 
padded plastic shield would have taken the hit

clay

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult.  It gets into the pores
> and ruins the weld.  How big is the hole?  Could it be drilled and tapped,
> and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil pan weld

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Welding thoroughly oil-soaked metal is difficult.  It gets into the pores
and ruins the weld.  How big is the hole?  Could it be drilled and tapped,
and a JB-Weld-soaked screw run into it?

-- Jim
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