Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
Does a bad alternator create a "no start" condition? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:13 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3412083555485327 > > > Seller's description… > > No TITLE Lean on Car Alternator is bad will need it towed. New O2 > sensors and new oil change. Tires are great excellent condition. Shoot > me an offer need gone asap > > --FT > > On 4/29/20 10:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: > > Thurd Floydsby writes: > > > >> I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I >don't have a title > for as it has a lean. > > > > Broken ball joint? Flat tire? > > > > Oh, you mean lien, as in someone else owns it > > > > Surprised the grammar police (you) didn't catch that one. > > > > Fix your break petal, don't be a looser. > > > > Rick > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3412083555485327 Seller's description… No TITLE Lean on Car Alternator is bad will need it towed. New O2 sensors and new oil change. Tires are great excellent condition. Shoot me an offer need gone asap --FT On 4/29/20 10:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Thurd Floydsby writes: I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I >don't have a title for as it has a lean. Broken ball joint? Flat tire? Oh, you mean lien, as in someone else owns it Surprised the grammar police (you) didn't catch that one. Fix your break petal, don't be a looser. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
If you can easily access the solenoid. I've found newer, non American, cars to be difficult. The remote switch also allows you a lot more freedom to fiddle with other things without having to reach into the engine every time you want to trigger the starter. -Curt On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 7:52:01 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:36:27 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: > > > Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if > > that energizes it and I can get this thing started. > > Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has > come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and > verify that the starter solenoid and starter works. No need to buy a remote starter switch. Save $20 and use a big screwdriver from the battery cable on the starter to the solenoid terminal. > Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in > Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to > start. Good ideas. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
Can’t really get at it --FT Sent from iPhone > On Apr 29, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:36:27 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > >> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: >> >>> Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if >>> that energizes it and I can get this thing started. >> >> Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has >> come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and >> verify that the starter solenoid and starter works. > > No need to buy a remote starter switch. Save $20 and use a big > screwdriver from the battery cable on the starter to the solenoid > terminal. > > >> Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in >> Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to >> start. > > Good ideas. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
Thurd Floydsby writes: >I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I >don't have a title for as >it has a lean. Broken ball joint? Flat tire? Oh, you mean lien, as in someone else owns it Surprised the grammar police (you) didn't catch that one. Fix your break petal, don't be a looser. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 19:36:27 -0400 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: > > > Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if > > that energizes it and I can get this thing started. > > Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has > come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and > verify that the starter solenoid and starter works. No need to buy a remote starter switch. Save $20 and use a big screwdriver from the battery cable on the starter to the solenoid terminal. > Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in > Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to > start. Good ideas. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
Floyd Thursby via Mercedes writes: > Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if > that energizes it and I can get this thing started. Pick up a remote starter switch at FLAPS. Should be under $20. Mine has come in handy several times over the years to bypass everything else and verify that the starter solenoid and starter works. Have you checked the transmission neutral safety switch? Try starting in Neutral instead of Park, or wiggling the shift lever while you try to start. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
So I got my daughter to turn the key while I put the voltmeter on the solenoid wire (purple). Nothing going to it. H. There is 12V to the starter. That cable comes off the back of the alternator from a cable that goes from the battery to the alternator and they appear to be bolted together there on the back, so that is a direct 12V connection. I moved some relays around again for the solenoid in the fuse box, I could feel and hear the relay click but still no power to the starter solenoid. h. I opened up the fuse box to see if I could see the largish purple wire coming out of it at the bottom of the fuse/relay panel and going to the solenoid but there was no purple wire. I followed it from the starter solenoid and it appears to go up over the engine in a harness that runs along the injector rail and goes somewhere, I thought into the fuse box. But since I don't see it in there, I am now wondering if this switch https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-ignition-starter-switch-ml320-ml350-ml430-ml500-ml55-amg-1685451004oe might be bad. "The ignition starter switch is used to activate the main electrical system for your vehicle. A starter switch provides power to the starter solenoid, electronic control unit (ECU) and ignition coil." I guess that could be it as I am not sure if there is anything else in the circuit that could be bad since the relay is clicking, and I measured 12V across the relay socket. I guess I could try a direct jumper across that to see if any power is going to the solenoid, or to see if the relay is getting power to trip it when the key is turned. Have not done that yet. I don't know if that relay sends power to the ignition starter switch, but now I'm thinking it must as I did not see the purple wire coming out of the fuse box so maybe it is coming off the switch? Tomorrow I will try to put power directly to the solenoid and see if that energizes it and I can get this thing started. ARGH! --FT On 4/29/20 4:02 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I like that idea. Start your T/S at the starter end. After verifying that the starter motor will engage, try to power the solenoid. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Big screwdriver across the starter to prove that it works? It'd be annoying to troubleshoot all around it only to find that the starter is bad... -Curt On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:31:43 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for as it has a lean. Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate much of anything. Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might happen. It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged in fine. No joy, still a Start Error. So I put the old one back in and gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the right noises except the starter. I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good in the various nannies so that is good. So at least the Start Error is gone. There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled. I saw no other switches and events that would indicate that. There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and the nannies said they checked out. Since I am seeing voltages at the relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages are good, but nothing is cranking. Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I could tell, looked clean and fairly new. But maybe not, I was thinking to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but didn't yet. So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if there is one, that I am not seeing. Maybe on the starter? Only thing I have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which appears to be working. Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter has gone bad? I have not been under the car yet to see if there is voltage going to the starter or to try to put power
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
> Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal > that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I > could tell, looked clean and fairly new. But maybe not, I was thinking > to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but > didn't yet. A wise man once said REPLACE all your FUSES. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
I like that idea. Start your T/S at the starter end. After verifying that the starter motor will engage, try to power the solenoid. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 3:42 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Big screwdriver across the starter to prove that it works? It'd be > annoying to troubleshoot all around it only to find that the starter is > bad... > -Curt > > On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:31:43 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via > Mercedes wrote: > > I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for > as it has a lean. > > Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there > were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still > show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate > much of anything. Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another > one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might > happen. It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged > in fine. No joy, still a Start Error. So I put the old one back in and > gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking > either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the > right noises except the starter. > > I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good > in the various nannies so that is good. So at least the Start Error is > gone. There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that > supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get > it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then > go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled. I saw no other > switches and events that would indicate that. > > There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might > not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear > them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and > the nannies said they checked out. Since I am seeing voltages at the > relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the > dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages > are good, but nothing is cranking. > > Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal > that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I > could tell, looked clean and fairly new. But maybe not, I was thinking > to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but > didn't yet. > > So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if > there is one, that I am not seeing. Maybe on the starter? Only thing I > have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which > appears to be working. Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter > has gone bad? I have not been under the car yet to see if there is > voltage going to the starter or to try to put power directly to it. I > don't even know where it is! I guess I will have to look at that aspect > and see what else I can determine. > > Any other ideas or suggestions? > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Progress on the vexatious 05ML500 that has a lean but still (mostly) no joy
Big screwdriver across the starter to prove that it works? It'd be annoying to troubleshoot all around it only to find that the starter is bad... -Curt On Wednesday, April 29, 2020, 3:31:43 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: I have been fooling around with this ML500 that I don't have a title for as it has a lean. Recall that when I first got it it was showing a Start Error and there were various codes for this and that, which I cleared but it would still show a Start Error but no new codes showed up so that did not indicate much of anything. Thinking it might be the DAS ring I picked up another one off an ML at LKQ last Saturday and swapped that in to see what might happen. It was a different part number but same unit it looked, plugged in fine. No joy, still a Start Error. So I put the old one back in and gave it a go, no Start Error now (YAY!!!) now but still no cranking either. Everything else lights up and whirs and clicks and makes the right noises except the starter. I've scanned it several times and no codes at all, everything looks good in the various nannies so that is good. So at least the Start Error is gone. There is a red light on the dash that blinks once or twice that supposedly indicates the alarm has not disabled the car, and I could get it to blink and stay solid using the fancy computer to trigger it then go back to "normal" so that suggests it is not disabled. I saw no other switches and events that would indicate that. There were some suggestions I saw that indicated a coupla relays might not be working so I checked those, swapped in other ones, I could hear them clicking, power at various pins on the relay sockets were good and the nannies said they checked out. Since I am seeing voltages at the relays I have to conclude the ignition switch is OK as it lights up the dash and the relays and such. I've also put good batteries in, voltages are good, but nothing is cranking. Turns out there is a 100A ceramic fuse on the positive battery terminal that looks like the starter connects too, the fuse was good near as I could tell, looked clean and fairly new. But maybe not, I was thinking to clamp the cable directly to the terminal to see if that worked but didn't yet. So now I am thinking there must be a bad starter relay somewhere, if there is one, that I am not seeing. Maybe on the starter? Only thing I have seen is the small relay in the fuse box under the hood, which appears to be working. Or the starter solenoid itself or the starter has gone bad? I have not been under the car yet to see if there is voltage going to the starter or to try to put power directly to it. I don't even know where it is! I guess I will have to look at that aspect and see what else I can determine. Any other ideas or suggestions? -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
