Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I've lived in MA full time for 8 years now and I don't ever remember a December this cold. That said it was 22F this morning which is the warmest its been at 6am in 2 or 3 weeks. -Curt Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:02:04 -0600 From: "Gary Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Uhh. High here today was 85... Global warming? :^) Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 12/7/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I didn't find Minnesota fit for human inhabitation, so I don't have any earthly idea how you folks in Canada do it. Brian On Dec 7, 2007 2:13 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, up here, we are praying for a little global warming. We look forward > to some TX temps. > > Randy in Winterpeg > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Thompson > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:02 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > > Uhh. High here today was 85... Global warming? :^) > > Gary Thompson > Georgetown, TX > 1995 E320 > > On 12/7/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for > work. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Hey, up here, we are praying for a little global warming. We look forward to some TX temps. Randy in Winterpeg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Thompson Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Uhh. High here today was 85... Global warming? :^) Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 12/7/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Uhh. High here today was 85... Global warming? :^) Gary Thompson Georgetown, TX 1995 E320 On 12/7/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Uhh alot east of 'em as a matter of fact, east of the Rockies too, and the Adirondacks. 60 miles east and I'd hit the Atlantic... I'm an east coaster. 5F when I got up this morning but a balmy 10F by the time I left for work. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:36:10 -0800 From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Oh, I keep forgetting you must be east of the Cascades. I thought you were around Seattle. Brian Curt wrote:Plus it was 8F this morning it'll get to maybe 35F today - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Just a couple thoughts from my inquisitive mind: 1. I often wonder about the effects changing oil too frequently - in terms of environmental impact? Or is it negligible compared to the oil needed to produce fuel? I guess one could also think about the impact of having to too frequently dispose of oil and filters (and the rags, and inevitable spills). 2. There used to be a guy we would sometimes run into when out cruising on the weekends in our hot rods. He said he was an engineer for Chrysler in the 60's and tested a bunch of their performance cars and equipment. All would stand around and attentively listen as he would pontificate. Jeff Shenk his name. He was perhaps our "Marshall" (respectfully said). One thing Jeff used to say back then was that people change their oil too frequently. I had him put my '68 up on one of his lifts once to look at something, I forget what. He used to make his own mufflers - they sounded like Flowmasters - and this before Flowmasters got popular (the best sounding muffler by the way). Brian On Dec 4, 2007 9:52 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K > and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, > -maybe > 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. > > I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my > time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no > garage. > FWIW > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles > Wickford, RI- > > > Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > Curt, > Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have > it > analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. > > Pete > > > > -- Original message -- > enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh, I keep forgetting you must be east of the Cascades. I thought you were around Seattle. Brian Curt wrote:Plus it was 8F this morning it'll get to maybe 35F today ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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As will your cold tolerance apparently. Sorry, couldn't resist an RLE-like response there. Brian Curt wrote:Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I still have my carbsyn, or what ever it is called for the tww and three carb MGs, TRs, Healeys, and Jags. I seldom used it on the SU carbs though - I used the wire poked into the top of the floating piston method, and listened really carefully. On Dec 6, 2007 3:04 PM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I did that with snowmobiles until I inherited a carb synchronizer. So much > easier when I can actually measure the airflow. > > -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics." -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I did that with snowmobiles until I inherited a carb synchronizer. So much easier when I can actually measure the airflow. -Curt Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:44:12 -0500 From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar "Hiss" to know when each carb was adjusted the same. Ahhh -- the good old days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I just got it... "drinkin' rum and co-ca-co-laa... working for the Yankee dah-la-"... nope. We didn't even hear that kinda music unless Lawrence Welk had it on his show. Yankee dollar... well, there was this one time that some people from Long Island (by way of Florida) got lost and I changed a tire for them at Trantham's Store. They bought me an Orange Crush for the trouble. I gave 'em directions back to US 19&23, "...you come to the fork of the road where the old sawmill used to be..." > From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:33:27 -0600 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > You sure you wasn't drinkin a "cocola"? > > --R > > Timothy Robinson wrote: >> A quarter's worth of >> gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
The guy who sits next to me at work uses M1 10w30 and changes at 4,000 miles. I asked him to bring the "used" oil in so I could run it in my truck... He hasn't done it yet but I figure I could have free oil changes for years. -Curt Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:18:13 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain This has been beaten to death. But, you have chosen to dispose of oil that has about 80% of it's value left. Do you do this with fuel also? Scotch? If you "Don't mind the extra cost", how about running the oil longer and sending that money to Shriner's Hospital? Pete - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, I was Nehi boy, but my granddaddy was a Pepsi man. (But they were all "cokes" You wanna coke? Sure. Whut kind?) --R Timothy Robinson wrote: > It sure wasn't Pepsi. It's too sweet and you have to put peanuts in the > bottle to "salt it down." > > CoCaCola... we cherish our syllables here in the South. > > >> From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:33:27 -0600 >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils >> >> You sure you wasn't drinkin a "cocola"? >> >> --R >> >> Timothy Robinson wrote: >> >>> A quarter's worth of >>> gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Timothy Robinson wrote: > CoCaCola... we cherish our syllables here in the South. Ha! Where are you at? Not too many listers down this way... John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It sure wasn't Pepsi. It's too sweet and you have to put peanuts in the bottle to "salt it down." CoCaCola... we cherish our syllables here in the South. > From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:33:27 -0600 > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > You sure you wasn't drinkin a "cocola"? > > --R > > Timothy Robinson wrote: >> A quarter's worth of >> gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You sure you wasn't drinkin a "cocola"? --R Timothy Robinson wrote: > A quarter's worth of > gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah... "the good ole days"... we never wasted spent motor oil in the rural South. (EPA would go crazy today!) Every summer the neighbors collectively filled a 55 ga. barrel fitted with a 6 foot wide "sprinkler" pipe. They'd "oil the dirt road" to keep the dust settled. I remember how dirty our bare feet would get walking to "Trantham's Grocery" to get a "dope" and a Moon Pie. It was about three miles, uphill both ways! A quarter's worth of gasoline in a milk jug to mow the yard and a quater for a Cocacola. > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:44:12 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines > without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) > > I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear > the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar "Hiss" to know > when each carb was adjusted the same. > > Ahhh -- the good old days. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > >> It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's >> office that "drawing" oil should give an indication to engine performance. >> >> My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to "smell the exhaust" >> to determine how "rich" the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil >> or >> coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could "feel the >> engine" when he set the timing. >> >>> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils >>> >>> As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the >>> oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually >>> all the stuff in the engine compartment. >>> >>> The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the >>> properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with >>> their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. >>> Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. >>> If >>> high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties >>> are >>> tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the >>> oil >>> and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a >>> couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> >>> Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by >>> checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high >>> (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly >>> exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings >>> which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with >>> dirt >>> into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is >>> a >>> good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past >>> the >>> rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak >>> rings - >>> or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the >>> contaminates >>> to the filter for removal. >>> >>> Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to >>> easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile >>> solutions. >>> >>> HTHs >>> >>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >>> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >>> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >>> . >>> >>> - Ori
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I used to use a vacume gage to set timing & mixture. Sweet running but you had to redo in 5KMI! Pete -- Original message -- From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines > without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) > > I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear > the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar "Hiss" to know > when each carb was adjusted the same. > > Ahhh -- the good old days. > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: "Timothy Robinson" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > > > It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's > > office that "drawing" oil should give an indication to engine performance. > > > > My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to "smell the exhaust" > > to determine how "rich" the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil > > or > > coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could "feel the > > engine" when he set the timing. > > > >> From: "LarryT" > >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > >> > >> As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the > >> oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually > >> all the stuff in the engine compartment. > >> > >> The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the > >> properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with > >> their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. > >> Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. > >> If > >> high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties > >> are > >> tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the > >> oil > >> and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a > >> couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil > >> > >> Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by > >> checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high > >> (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly > >> exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings > >> which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with > >> dirt > >> into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is > >> a > >> good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past > >> the > >> rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak > >> rings - > >> or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the > >> contaminates > >> to the filter for removal. > >> > >> Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to > >> easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile > >> solutions. > >> > >> HTHs > >> > >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > >> . > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: > >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Curt Raymond" > >> > >> Cc: "Diesel List" > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > >> > >> > >>> Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head > >>> gaskets, > >>> unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. > >>> > >>>
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Yep - as hard as it is to believe, we used to tune all sorts of engines without the benefit of a single computer! ;-) I used to adust the carbs on my MGB using a rubber hose - one end in my ear the other just in the carb throats. I'd listen for a similar "Hiss" to know when each carb was adjusted the same. Ahhh -- the good old days. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's > office that "drawing" oil should give an indication to engine performance. > > My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to "smell the exhaust" > to determine how "rich" the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil > or > coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could "feel the > engine" when he set the timing. > >> From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils >> >> As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the >> oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually >> all the stuff in the engine compartment. >> >> The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the >> properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with >> their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. >> Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. >> If >> high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties >> are >> tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the >> oil >> and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a >> couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> >> Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by >> checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high >> (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly >> exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings >> which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with >> dirt >> into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is >> a >> good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past >> the >> rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak >> rings - >> or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the >> contaminates >> to the filter for removal. >> >> Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to >> easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile >> solutions. >> >> HTHs >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil >> PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs >> . >> >> - Original Message - >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Curt Raymond" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "Diesel List" >> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils >> >> >>> Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head >>> gaskets, >>> unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. >>> >>> For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam >>> lobe >>> wear >>> by the type & amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to >>> discover >>> (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers >>> have >>> worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually >>> going >>> elsewhere. >>> >>> Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would >>> indicate >>> unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization >>
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It makes sense, just like having blood tests and urinalysis at doctor's office that "drawing" oil should give an indication to engine performance. My dad's ole mechanic was rather intuative and used to "smell the exhaust" to determine how "rich" the fuel mixture was, if the car was burning oil or coolant. The guy was also deaf and without instruments could "feel the engine" when he set the timing. > From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List > Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:29:01 -0500 > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the > oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually > all the stuff in the engine compartment. > > The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the > properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with > their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. > Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If > high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are > tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil > and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a > couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil > > Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by > checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high > (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly > exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings > which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt > into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a > good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the > rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - > or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates > to the filter for removal. > > Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to > easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile > solutions. > > HTHs > > Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) > www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts > Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil > PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net > Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs > . > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Curt Raymond" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Diesel List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > >> Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head >> gaskets, >> unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. >> >> For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe >> wear >> by the type & amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to >> discover >> (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers >> have >> worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going >> elsewhere. >> >> Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate >> unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that >> the >> new K&N filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. >> >> Tom >> www.kegkits.com >> >> Quoting Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> >>> I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. >>> How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? >>> >>> Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As >>> Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. >>> >>> -Curt >>> >>> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> t> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain >>> >>> Curt, >>> Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and >>> have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> >>> -
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As Tom says, Oil Analysis tells much more than what's happening with the oil. Since the oil in one way or another comes in contact with virtually all the stuff in the engine compartment. The Oil Analysis Report is basically grouped in 3 sections. 1st, the properties of the metals typically found in an engine are analyzed with their levels noted. If a level is too high, that contaminate of flagged. Next, the oils additives are quantified to define what their levels are. If high, they are noted and flagged. Next, the Oils' physical properties are tested - the SAE, amount of fuel in the oil, any water or Glycol in the oil and a few other things. A spreadsheet showing the analysis results for a couple of hundred reports are shown at http://members.rennlist.com/oil Also, as Tom suggested, many engine problems can be determined by checking the results. For example, when the Silicon level is too high (again, as Tom mentioned) a problem with the air filter intake possibly exists. I have seen air filters improperly seated or missing the o-rings which allowed intake air to bypass the filter and bring air filled with dirt into the engine. Also, on diesel engines, the Soot is measured which is a good indication of Blow by - which allows contaminated air to get past the rings and into the oil. Thus a high level of soot can indicate weak rings - or use of an oil which does not properly suspend and carry the contaminates to the filter for removal. Obviously some of these bits of information do not lend themselves to easy fixes but knowing about a problem often opens up new possibile solutions. HTHs Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Diesel List" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head > gaskets, > unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. > > For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe > wear > by the type & amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to > discover > (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers > have > worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going > elsewhere. > > Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate > unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that > the > new K&N filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. > > Tom > www.kegkits.com > > Quoting Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> >> I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. >> How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? >> >> Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As >> Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. >> >> -Curt >> >> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Message-ID: >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain >> >> Curt, >> Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and >> have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. >> >> Pete >> >> >> - >> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try >> it now. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > > Thanks, > Tom Hargrave > 256-656-1924 > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: > 12/4/2007 10:52 AM > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This has been beaten to death. But, you have chosen to dispose of oil that has about 80% of it's value left. Do you do this with fuel also? Scotch? If you "Don't mind the extra cost", how about running the oil longer and sending that money to Shriner's Hospital? Pete -- Original message -- From: "Walt Lasher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Well I don't know about anybody else, but when I was using > Deno oil I would go 2000 to 3000 miles depending on freeway or town driving. > When I changed to Synthetic I moved up to 5000 between changes as > most of my mileage is about 10 to 30 miles daily. > An ole' saying, "Oil is cheaper than metal". I feel > comfortable with 5000 mile changes and don't mind the cost and when I get > ready to sell I'm sure the next owner will appreciate the extra care. Since > I change the oil myself my only cost is, Oil and filter.. > > Walt Lasher > Seattle > 1992 S350/300SD > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: winmail.dat > Type: application/ms-tnef > Size: 3284 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071205/9814334 > > e/attachment.bin > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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8F at my place this morning What I'm getting at is that your answer is right for you. For me I'm scheduling when I have time to do the oil changed based on what I feel is safe having tested the oil. You wanna go farther you do that but I drive 550+ miles a week and I don't feel comfortable pulling a sample and changing later. Plus it was 8F this morning it'll get to maybe 35F today, say I decide to change at 15k, that'll be February (probably) and probably WAY colder. I'm doing this outside remember... -Curt Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:27:10 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain ?? Dumb Look?? Use your bike? You'r missing the obvious, you do not hate to drain your oil to pull a sample. Kinda like haveing a blood test, just take a small amount out. SOP in large equipment, will also work for you. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Am I supposed to walk the 55 miles to work during those couple days? > > 2 cars, 2 drivers, I go 110 miles a day. > > Might be rectifying that this weekend when I go look at a '71 Saab 95. > > -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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?? Dumb Look?? Use your bike? You'r missing the obvious, you do not hate to drain your oil to pull a sample. Kinda like haveing a blood test, just take a small amount out. SOP in large equipment, will also work for you. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Am I supposed to walk the 55 miles to work during those couple days? > > 2 cars, 2 drivers, I go 110 miles a day. > > Might be rectifying that this weekend when I go look at a '71 Saab 95. > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:34:27 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > I've found after many samples that the f-soot burden in MY engine was > liniar, I had about 25% at 5KMI that I had at 20KMI. > Seems pretty simple to pull a sample at 10KMI, wait a few days for the > results, adjust for windage and go from there. > > Pete > > > - > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Am I supposed to walk the 55 miles to work during those couple days? 2 cars, 2 drivers, I go 110 miles a day. Might be rectifying that this weekend when I go look at a '71 Saab 95. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:34:27 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain I've found after many samples that the f-soot burden in MY engine was liniar, I had about 25% at 5KMI that I had at 20KMI. Seems pretty simple to pull a sample at 10KMI, wait a few days for the results, adjust for windage and go from there. Pete - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Agreed. I grew up using filtered drain oil in my old junkers that I got for free from the gas station. For me Mobil 1 is a good value-no need being penny wise and pound foolish. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils I'm a Yankee (Ask Rusty), no sense throwing it away until it's used up! Pete -- Original message -- From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K > and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, -maybe > 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. > > I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my > time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no > garage. > FWIW > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles > Wickford, RI- > > > Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > Curt, > Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it > analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. > > Pete > > > > -- Original message -- > enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I figure 8k is a pretty safe number and testing on my vehicles has borne that out. Marshall said a 61x would have a tough time hitting 10k because of soot but 60x would be fine and thats also borne out in my case. He also said (and I agree) that highway miles are much easier on the oil than city miles. Witness my pickup and the guy on the list who have fuel dilution... -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:11:15 -0600 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin, work" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I really dont want to mess with testing the oil etc. is there some kind universal safe mileage interval for the diesels? Gas? Something like 12-15K without testing? Everyone I have seen that posts abost their tests etc indicate that is fine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm a Yankee (Ask Rusty), no sense throwing it away until it's used up! Pete -- Original message -- From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K > and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, -maybe > 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. > > I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my > time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no > garage. > FWIW > Dwight > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles > Wickford, RI- > > > Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > Curt, > Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it > analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. > > Pete > > > > -- Original message -- > enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've found after many samples that the f-soot burden in MY engine was liniar, I had about 25% at 5KMI that I had at 20KMI. Seems pretty simple to pull a sample at 10KMI, wait a few days for the results, adjust for windage and go from there. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. > How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? > > Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As > Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Curt, > Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and > have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. > > Pete > > > - > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it > now. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oil analysis is not just about your oil. It also uncovered leaky head gaskets, unfiltered air intake and accelerated engine wear. For example, an oil analysis can tell you that you have abnormal cam lobe wear by the type & amount of metals found in the oil. This may lead you to discover (in a 1972 4.5 liter gas engine, BTW) that the plastic spray bar keepers have worn out and most of the oil destined for the cam lobes is actually going elsewhere. Or you may find higher than normal silica in the oil, which would indicate unfiltered air entering the engine and might lead to the realization that the new K&N filter you installed wasn't such a good idea afterall. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. > How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? > > Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As > Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Curt, > Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and > have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. > > Pete > > > - > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I really dont want to mess with testing the oil etc. is there some kind universal safe mileage interval for the diesels? Gas? Something like 12-15K without testing? Everyone I have seen that posts abost their tests etc indicate that is fine. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. > How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? > > Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As > Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Curt, > Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and > have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. > > Pete > > > - > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm of the mind that extended oil changes are something you work up to. How do I know 20,000 is safe if I don't try 19k first and so on? Besides what works well for one engine may not work well for another. As Marshall said you have to decide whats right for YOUR engine. -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:07:44 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete - Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I just had the oil tested by Larry's system in the 300D 2.5. I ran it 13K and the soot was .9 out of 2.0 allowed. So you might be right, Pete, -maybe 20K. I know, we need to do TBN test also to run that far. I agree with Curt about frequently changing oil-even with a top sucker, my time is worth something, esp. when I change it in my driveway with no garage. FWIW Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE) 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles Wickford, RI- Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 12:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete -- Original message -- enz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have the same opinion of Amsoil. They maake a good roduct but their marketing plan is just short of criminal. With Mobil 1 on the market, there is no reason to pay extra for the stuff. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Diesel List" Sent: 12/4/07 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and its fantastic. Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is "why bother" because you can indeed extend your oil changes. My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting anyway so this saves me money. #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said why change the oil before its actually used up? #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt, Why Change it? My car ran 20KMI between changes. Pull a sample and have it analyzed, I'm betting you are only 50% depleted. Pete -- Original message -- From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate > their > marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. > > AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good > oil. > I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and > its > fantastic. > Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every > bit > as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the > same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. > > One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is "why bother" > because you can indeed extend your oil changes. > My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and > snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the > last > change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. > Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't > be, > I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on > until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to > the > closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. > > Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting > anyway > so this saves me money. > #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said > why > change the oil before its actually used up? > #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd > be > on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every > other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you > get > the idea). My time is worth something after all. > Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it > again until spring... > > As with everything your mileage may vary. > > HTH > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 > From: "Dave H..." > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 > mentioned. > > An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil > distributor. > Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil > synthetics? > Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics > for the > winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles > between > oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? > > > Dave H... > > > - > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Curt, TY so very much for your insightful reply. Dave H... -- From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:04 AM To: "Diesel List" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > > I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate > their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably > buy it. > > AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very > good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a > chicken) and its fantastic. > Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be > every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive > prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. > > One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is "why bother" > because you can indeed extend your oil changes. > My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold > and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on > the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. > Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it > won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another > analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back > off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back > for safety) and call it good. > > Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting > anyway so this saves me money. > #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said > why change the oil before its actually used up? > #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil > I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the > oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit > more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. > Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing > it again until spring... > > As with everything your mileage may vary. > > HTH > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 > From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 > mentioned. > > An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil > distributor. > Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil > synthetics? > Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics > for the > winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles > between > oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? > > > Dave H... > > > - > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
I've oft considered becoming an Amsoil distributor but I gotta say I hate their marketing model. If they'd just sell the dammed stuff I'd probably buy it. AFAIK (mostly from stuff Marshall and others have said) Amsoil is very good oil. I've used their 100:1 2stroke oil (although not at 100:1, I'm a chicken) and its fantastic. Amsoil is Mobil 1 basestock with different additives and is said to be every bit as good as Mobil 1. If I could get it locally at competitive prices (like the same as Mobil 1) I'd use it. One could switch to dino oil in the summer but my question is "why bother" because you can indeed extend your oil changes. My 190D is on track for an 11,000 mile change this weekend (in the cold and snow, brrr!) I've been having oil analysis done and at 10,000 miles on the last change all indicators were normal so this time we'll try 11k. Assuming everything is normal at 11k and I've no reason to believe it won't be, I'll change the oil in 12,000 more miles and get another analysis and so on until I get an analysis that indicates I should back off. I'll roll back to the closest thousand (maybe another thousand back for safety) and call it good. Why? Well #1 it saves money, I'll use Mobil 1 for ease of winter starting anyway so this saves me money. #2 Why waste oil if its not doing anything for me? As Marshall always said why change the oil before its actually used up? #3 Why waste my time changing the oil? If I were using conventional oil I'd be on the 3,000 mile change regimine which would have be changing the oil every other month. This way I change the oil twice a year (well a bit more but you get the idea). My time is worth something after all. Sure I'll freeze changing the oil this weekend but I won't plan on doing it again until spring... As with everything your mileage may vary. HTH -Curt Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:49:40 -0500 From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... - Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
- Original Message - From: "Dave H..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 > mentioned. > An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. > Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? > Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for > the > winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles > between > oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? > Dave H... --- IIRC Dr. Booth said Amzoil buys Mobil 1 synthetic oil and combines it with their own additives. Since the buyer is getting the same synthetic oil, the question of which is best revolves around which company has the best additives. The deciding factor with most MB owners seems to be cost since Amzoil is more expensive than Mobil 1. The '83 300D I bought a number of years ago, which had always used Amzoil, had a very good engine but many, many leaking seals and gaskets. When Mobil 1 first came on the market, it caused seals and gaskets to leak until they added chemicals to prevent it. I've often wondered if Amzoil failed to follow suit and add chemicals to prevent similar leakage. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Synthetic Oils
Through out this oil discussion I have consistently seen Mobil 1 mentioned. An individual I know is trying to get me to become an Amzoil distributor. Is there really any difference between the Mobil 1 and Amzoil synthetics? Would the group recommend petro oil during the summer and synthetics for the winter only? If so, why? Is it true that you can go for more miles between oil changes with synthetics than you can petro oils? Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
