subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] W123 runs on and on"

Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Re-read Rick Knoble's post.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> But on the firewall? Do you have some kind of loony aftermarket vacuum
> pump?
>
> The vacuum pump is driven from the engine, therefore its ON the engine.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:16:25 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> He actually showed me how to do it.  I need a 5 mm allen and must exercise
> care.
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That is the vacuum pump diaphragm, which is what he needs pay the guy to
> > install on his vac pump.
> >
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >> February 21, 2018 at 7:50 AM
> >> The link Andrew sent shows a product much to large to go on the shutoff
> >> device...
> >> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

But on the firewall? Do you have some kind of loony aftermarket vacuum pump?
The vacuum pump is driven from the engine, therefore its ON the engine.
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 10:16:25 AM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 He actually showed me how to do it.  I need a 5 mm allen and must exercise
care.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is the vacuum pump diaphragm, which is what he needs pay the guy to
> install on his vac pump.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 7:50 AM
>> The link Andrew sent shows a product much to large to go on the shutoff
>> device...
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

He actually showed me how to do it.  I need a 5 mm allen and must exercise
care.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:12 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is the vacuum pump diaphragm, which is what he needs pay the guy to
> install on his vac pump.
>
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> February 21, 2018 at 7:50 AM
>> The link Andrew sent shows a product much to large to go on the shutoff
>> device...
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-21 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

That is the vacuum pump diaphragm, which is what he needs pay the guy to 
install on his vac pump.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
February 21, 2018 at 7:50 AM
The link Andrew sent shows a product much to large to go on the 
shutoff device...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

The link Andrew sent shows a product much to large to go on the shutoff 
device...
-Curt
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 12:12:51 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Karl‎ sez:

>‎The only vacuum
>lines on the injection pump control the >shift pressure in the transmission
>based upon throttle position IIRC.

And the shut off. I suspect the diaphragm being referred to, is the one in the 
shut off device or diaphragm. 

And here's a few links I pulled up (bored) if anyone is interested.

http://dieselgiant.com/repairyourshutoffvalve.htm

‎https://mercedessource.com/problems/engine/diesel-wont-shut-when-the-key-turned

https://youtu.be/C5Mo3QE36LI

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-diesel-fuel-injector-pump-shutdown-solenoid-240d-300cd-300d-300sd-300td-1427133091

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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Karl‎ sez:

>‎The only vacuum
>lines on the injection pump control the >shift pressure in the transmission
>based upon throttle position IIRC.

And the shut off. I suspect the diaphragm being referred to, is the one in the 
shut off device or diaphragm. 

And here's a few links I pulled up (bored) if anyone is interested.

http://dieselgiant.com/repairyourshutoffvalve.htm

‎https://mercedessource.com/problems/engine/diesel-wont-shut-when-the-key-turned

https://youtu.be/C5Mo3QE36LI

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-diesel-fuel-injector-pump-shutdown-solenoid-240d-300cd-300d-300sd-300td-1427133091

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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-20 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Afaik there is only one vacuum pump on the car. It is on the front of the
motor and has a big vacuum line coming off to feed the brake booster. It
has a rubber diaphragm in it that can go bad. Removing it requires removing
the fan.

I have no idea what you are referring to near the firewall. The only vacuum
lines on the injection pump control the shift pressure in the transmission
based upon throttle position IIRC.



On Feb 20, 2018 7:29 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

What fan?  This is for the back of the injection pump, near the firewall.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's not so much being careful as being able to get the hex screws off/on
> the pump as they are not visible and you have to contort a bit to reach
> them -- just fiddly.
>
> You want to clean the pump well, be careful not to get schmutz in the
> engine, and put loctite on the center screw (ask me how I know!).
>
> It also helps to have a little hold-down thing (I made one from a small
> block of wood screwed to another piece of wood) to compress the spring
> while putting it together.
>
> Getting the fan off/on is the worst part of the job, also fiddly.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 2/20/18 3:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Found one for $19.95US.  My tech said the same thing - gotta be careful.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Febi-Vacuum-Pump-Repair-Kit-Mer
>> cedes-220-Benz-240D-123-Chassis-300D-220D-115/361457322129?
>> fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz=item5428890891:g:3-gAAOSwk1JWgNzg=mtr
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> That is not a hard job, but somewhat fiddly, I can probably now do
>> it in less than an hour.  The kit is cheap, this is pretty much a
>> wear item.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/18 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> I went away for 4 days and when I returned, the car shut off
>> normally.
>>
>> For a day...  Today it ran on again, so I dropped it at the shop.
>>
>> Diagnosis:  Vacuum pump diaphragm was leaking oil, causing
>> attached hose to
>> swell and intermittently fail.  The tech was able to clean it
>> off and make
>> it tight again, but this will likely recur, so I need to
>> replace this part.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-PUMP-DIAPHRAGM-MERCEDES-300-
>> D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=
>> item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX~IX~=mtr
>> > 300-D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=
>> item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX%7EIX%7E=mtr>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM, MG via Mercedes
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK Do a Google search for Diagnosing Mercedes vacuum
>> shutoff. It's all out
>> there in exhausting detail. If you don't understand what
>> you find then take
>> it in and get it done.
>>
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> Well, I will probably have to do that, but I was
>> looking for some guidance
>> on how to diagnose it myself.
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 7:36 AM, "MG via Mercedes"
>> >
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> shortcut all the talk and take it to your indie and
>> have him fix it.
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> My '83 300TD won't turn off except by manually
>> pressing the shutoff under
>>
>> the hood.
>>
>> Vacuum locks are OK.  I've BTDT but too long
>> ago to remember.  Any
>> suggestions on how to go about diagnosing the
>> cause?
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD
>> 362 k
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

What fan?  This is for the back of the injection pump, near the firewall.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's not so much being careful as being able to get the hex screws off/on
> the pump as they are not visible and you have to contort a bit to reach
> them -- just fiddly.
>
> You want to clean the pump well, be careful not to get schmutz in the
> engine, and put loctite on the center screw (ask me how I know!).
>
> It also helps to have a little hold-down thing (I made one from a small
> block of wood screwed to another piece of wood) to compress the spring
> while putting it together.
>
> Getting the fan off/on is the worst part of the job, also fiddly.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 2/20/18 3:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Found one for $19.95US.  My tech said the same thing - gotta be careful.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Febi-Vacuum-Pump-Repair-Kit-Mer
>> cedes-220-Benz-240D-123-Chassis-300D-220D-115/361457322129?
>> fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz=item5428890891:g:3-gAAOSwk1JWgNzg=mtr
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> That is not a hard job, but somewhat fiddly, I can probably now do
>> it in less than an hour.  The kit is cheap, this is pretty much a
>> wear item.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 2/20/18 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> I went away for 4 days and when I returned, the car shut off
>> normally.
>>
>> For a day...  Today it ran on again, so I dropped it at the shop.
>>
>> Diagnosis:  Vacuum pump diaphragm was leaking oil, causing
>> attached hose to
>> swell and intermittently fail.  The tech was able to clean it
>> off and make
>> it tight again, but this will likely recur, so I need to
>> replace this part.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-PUMP-DIAPHRAGM-MERCEDES-300-
>> D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=
>> item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX~IX~=mtr
>> > 300-D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=
>> item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX%7EIX%7E=mtr>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM, MG via Mercedes
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK Do a Google search for Diagnosing Mercedes vacuum
>> shutoff. It's all out
>> there in exhausting detail. If you don't understand what
>> you find then take
>> it in and get it done.
>>
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> Well, I will probably have to do that, but I was
>> looking for some guidance
>> on how to diagnose it myself.
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2018 7:36 AM, "MG via Mercedes"
>> >
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> shortcut all the talk and take it to your indie and
>> have him fix it.
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> My '83 300TD won't turn off except by manually
>> pressing the shutoff under
>>
>> the hood.
>>
>> Vacuum locks are OK.  I've BTDT but too long
>> ago to remember.  Any
>> suggestions on how to go about diagnosing the
>> cause?
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD
>> 362 k
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-20 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

It's not so much being careful as being able to get the hex screws 
off/on the pump as they are not visible and you have to contort a bit to 
reach them -- just fiddly.

You want to clean the pump well, be careful not to get schmutz in the 
engine, and put loctite on the center screw (ask me how I know!).

It also helps to have a little hold-down thing (I made one from a small 
block of wood screwed to another piece of wood) to compress the spring 
while putting it together.

Getting the fan off/on is the worst part of the job, also fiddly.

--FT

On 2/20/18 3:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Found one for $19.95US.  My tech said the same thing - gotta be careful.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Febi-Vacuum-Pump-Repair-Kit-Mercedes-220-Benz-240D-123-Chassis-300D-220D-115/361457322129?fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz=item5428890891:g:3-gAAOSwk1JWgNzg=mtr

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:

That is not a hard job, but somewhat fiddly, I can probably now do
it in less than an hour.  The kit is cheap, this is pretty much a
wear item.

--FT

On 2/20/18 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I went away for 4 days and when I returned, the car shut off
normally.

For a day...  Today it ran on again, so I dropped it at the shop.

Diagnosis:  Vacuum pump diaphragm was leaking oil, causing
attached hose to
swell and intermittently fail.  The tech was able to clean it
off and make
it tight again, but this will likely recur, so I need to
replace this part.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-PUMP-DIAPHRAGM-MERCEDES-300-D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX~IX~=mtr

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM, MG via Mercedes
>
wrote:

OK Do a Google search for Diagnosing Mercedes vacuum
shutoff. It's all out
there in exhausting detail. If you don't understand what
you find then take
it in and get it done.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Well, I will probably have to do that, but I was
looking for some guidance
on how to diagnose it myself.

On Feb 18, 2018 7:36 AM, "MG via Mercedes"
>
wrote:

shortcut all the talk and take it to your indie and
have him fix it.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My '83 300TD won't turn off except by manually
pressing the shutoff under

the hood.

Vacuum locks are OK.  I've BTDT but too long
ago to remember.  Any
suggestions on how to go about diagnosing the
cause?

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 k
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Found one for $19.95US.  My tech said the same thing - gotta be careful.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Febi-Vacuum-Pump-Repair-Kit-Mercedes-220-Benz-240D-123-Chassis-300D-220D-115/361457322129?fits=Make%3AMercedes-Benz=item5428890891:g:3-gAAOSwk1JWgNzg=mtr

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is not a hard job, but somewhat fiddly, I can probably now do it in
> less than an hour.  The kit is cheap, this is pretty much a wear item.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 2/20/18 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I went away for 4 days and when I returned, the car shut off normally.
>>
>> For a day...  Today it ran on again, so I dropped it at the shop.
>>
>> Diagnosis:  Vacuum pump diaphragm was leaking oil, causing attached hose
>> to
>> swell and intermittently fail.  The tech was able to clean it off and make
>> it tight again, but this will likely recur, so I need to replace this
>> part.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-PUMP-DIAPHRAGM-MERCEDES-300-
>> D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=
>> item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX~IX~=mtr
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK Do a Google search for Diagnosing Mercedes vacuum shutoff. It's all out
>>> there in exhausting detail. If you don't understand what you find then
>>> take
>>> it in and get it done.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I will probably have to do that, but I was looking for some
 guidance
 on how to diagnose it myself.

 On Feb 18, 2018 7:36 AM, "MG via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

 shortcut all the talk and take it to your indie and have him fix it.

> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
> My '83 300TD won't turn off except by manually pressing the shutoff
> under
>
>> the hood.
>>
>> Vacuum locks are OK.  I've BTDT but too long ago to remember.  Any
>> suggestions on how to go about diagnosing the cause?
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD
>> 362 k
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Re: [MBZ] W123 runs on and on

2018-02-20 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

That is not a hard job, but somewhat fiddly, I can probably now do it in
less than an hour. The kit is cheap, this is pretty much a wear item.

--FT

On 2/20/18 3:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I went away for 4 days and when I returned, the car shut off normally.

For a day... Today it ran on again, so I dropped it at the shop.

Diagnosis: Vacuum pump diaphragm was leaking oil, causing attached hose to
swell and intermittently fail. The tech was able to clean it off and make
it tight again, but this will likely recur, so I need to replace this part.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-PUMP-DIAPHRAGM-MERCEDES-300-D-123-130-W123-03-1979-11-1985/272409085197?hash=item3f6cd8c50d:g:IEIAAOSwmLlX~IX~=mtr

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:28 AM, MG via Mercedes
wrote:

OK Do a Google search for Diagnosing Mercedes vacuum shutoff. It's all out
there in exhausting detail. If you don't understand what you find then take
it in and get it done.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Well, I will probably have to do that, but I was looking for some guidance
on how to diagnose it myself.

On Feb 18, 2018 7:36 AM, "MG via Mercedes" wrote:

shortcut all the talk and take it to your indie and have him fix it.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My '83 300TD won't turn off except by manually pressing the shutoff under

the hood.

Vacuum locks are OK. I've BTDT but too long ago to remember. Any
suggestions on how to go about diagnosing the cause?

Andrew
1983 300TD
362 k
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