Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
did it work on the 107 with ABS? Sincerely, Larry On 12/26/2013 9:55 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Worked on 123 without and 126 with. I am fixin ta do it on a 107 with ABS Does the gravity (Issac Newton method is what we called it here in OK) work with anti-lock brake systems? I was under the impression that it won't, hence the need for a pressure bleeder (from either the top or the bottom). -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
did it work on the 107 with ABS? Sincerely, Larry Didn't work on the 107 I worked on because the ABS unit was stuck. It was not because it was a 107. It has worked on 123 and 126 and 124s. That includes every MB I ever worked on the brakes, other than 110. I just never tried it on a 110, not that it would not work. I first tried it on my first SDL, maybe 10 years ago. I'd never heard of it. I just observed that the fluid ran out, so I surmised that the new fluid might run in. It did, so it saved some effort on bleeding and SWMBO was no longer a good brake bleeding partner. I was taught the only way to bleed brakes is the 2 man method. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
I have learned that the only way to bleed brakes is to borrow Fred's pressure bleeder. Easiest thing in the world. Actually next time I'll probably buy my own, it'll save on transportation... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:46:44 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a Message-ID: a0624080ecf1e87838fdb@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed I was taught the only way to bleed brakes is the 2 man method. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Curt. Transportation? In your fuel sipping diesel VW? (Obligatory diesel content). Next time YOU pay for breakfast! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a I have learned that the only way to bleed brakes is to borrow Fred's pressure bleeder. Easiest thing in the world. Actually next time I'll probably buy my own, it'll save on transportation... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
I use a MityVac and one of those plastic siphon jars with the dip tube in it. Works for me and makes it easy to do with minimal mess. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 25, 2013, at 2:53 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: That brake bleeder that was discussed some years ago uses a flaps cap with an air fitting and low pressure to push the fluid from the reservoir using your air compressor. That would push it more quickly. I use a mityvac to suck it out, kinda messy but works. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: *Great idea!! I have a couple of spare fuel pumps (MGB which are nominally 3-5psi) that should do the job and I may add a T and do both wheels on one axle at a time. It may be more trouble than it's worth as watching the MC will become even more critical. i guess I could make a push button on/off switch with long wires so i could watch the MC and turn the pump on and off as needed**..** ** **Thanks for the suggestion --- I may try this... i keep thinking the inlet and outlet on the FP are a lot larger than the bleeder so I may **need a adapter ...* Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 1:13 PM, G Mann wrote: I cheat because it's a better, easier way to change brake fluid. Purchase a 12 volt fuel pump, Low pressure pump that does 10 psi or less will work fine. Purchase some clear poly tubing, the semi soft kind, that will fit over the brake bleeder nicely. Connect that line to the 12v fuel pump intake port, connect some more of same line to the output side of pump. Place output hose in an empty soda bottle. Open brake master cap. Open bleed valve [Start at the longest line]. Have supply of fresh fluid handy. Turn on pump and watch the master cylinder reservoir level go down. When the reservoir level gets to bottom 1/4 , add clean fluid and pump more while watching for clean fluid to come out of bleed port. When you get clean fluid, stop the pump and close the bleed port. Refill the master and move to the next longest line. Repeat for each wheel, always keeping the master reservoir with a good supply of clean fluid. Total time to bleed all 4 wheels and replace the total fluid with fresh is usually less than 15 minutes. It helps if all 4 wheels are off the ground and car in firmly on jack stands. As always, be safe. 12 volt, low end fuel pump online cost was less than $25. That pump is a dedicated brake bleed pump only now. When I'm all done, I flush the pump with mineral spirits [cheap paint thinner available at any hardware]. Dispose of the used brake fluid properly.. save the baby seals and the whales.. as always. Grant... On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - I have the stuff gathered to change my bleeder valves and RR the Brake fluid - well everything but the time and the brake fluid. 2 questions: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Some have suggested using a short pipe to put between the seat and pedal so the pedal is slightly depressed. does that prevent air entering the system? Not sure I'll have the time to finish the job at one time. Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Worked on 123 without and 126 with. I am fixin ta do it on a 107 with ABS Does the gravity (Issac Newton method is what we called it here in OK) work with anti-lock brake systems? I was under the impression that it won't, hence the need for a pressure bleeder (from either the top or the bottom). -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
Larry wrote: What brand is that one? It is from the land of Lucas, UK and is named Gunnison's Eezi-Bleed. I use the Eezi-Bleed also. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Larry wrote: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. Don't use DOT3, as that is the cause of swollen hoses that begin to act as check valves. DOT4 is the right stuff - but there is some DOT3/4 on the market that I don't trust. I have used a Valvoline DOT4 for a decade or so. DOT5 is a different beast all together. Non-compatible with DOT3 or DOT4. DOT5e is a super-DOT4 that is compatible with with DOT3 and DOT4 - but I don't know how they interact with Mercedes rubber parts. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Let the fluid run out. I have gravity bleed system by just opening the bleeder. Put grease or anti-seize on the threads. I then like to wash off the leaked out brake fluid, then spray the area with a heavy spray oil like LPS3. Finally I coat the whole bleeder with grease to keep the dirt and water out. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Thanks to all who replied! I now know - DOT4 and gravity are my friends ;-) Merry Christmas - Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 2:58 AM, Fmiser wrote: Larry wrote: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. Don't use DOT3, as that is the cause of swollen hoses that begin to act as check valves. DOT4 is the right stuff - but there is some DOT3/4 on the market that I don't trust. I have used a Valvoline DOT4 for a decade or so. DOT5 is a different beast all together. Non-compatible with DOT3 or DOT4. DOT5e is a super-DOT4 that is compatible with with DOT3 and DOT4 - but I don't know how they interact with Mercedes rubber parts. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Let the fluid run out. I have gravity bleed system by just opening the bleeder. Put grease or anti-seize on the threads. I then like to wash off the leaked out brake fluid, then spray the area with a heavy spray oil like LPS3. Finally I coat the whole bleeder with grease to keep the dirt and water out. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Thanks to all who replied! I now know - DOT4 and gravity are my friends ;-) Merry Christmas - Sincerely, Larry I have successfully gravity bled brakes on 126 and 123. About to do it on 107. Just open the bleeders, go do somethin else and let it drain. Come back later, when the lines are empty. Then fill the master and wait for fluid to run out. close each bleeder when fluid if running out. Simple, but time consuming. Works with abs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
I cheat because it's a better, easier way to change brake fluid. Purchase a 12 volt fuel pump, Low pressure pump that does 10 psi or less will work fine. Purchase some clear poly tubing, the semi soft kind, that will fit over the brake bleeder nicely. Connect that line to the 12v fuel pump intake port, connect some more of same line to the output side of pump. Place output hose in an empty soda bottle. Open brake master cap. Open bleed valve [Start at the longest line]. Have supply of fresh fluid handy. Turn on pump and watch the master cylinder reservoir level go down. When the reservoir level gets to bottom 1/4 , add clean fluid and pump more while watching for clean fluid to come out of bleed port. When you get clean fluid, stop the pump and close the bleed port. Refill the master and move to the next longest line. Repeat for each wheel, always keeping the master reservoir with a good supply of clean fluid. Total time to bleed all 4 wheels and replace the total fluid with fresh is usually less than 15 minutes. It helps if all 4 wheels are off the ground and car in firmly on jack stands. As always, be safe. 12 volt, low end fuel pump online cost was less than $25. That pump is a dedicated brake bleed pump only now. When I'm all done, I flush the pump with mineral spirits [cheap paint thinner available at any hardware]. Dispose of the used brake fluid properly.. save the baby seals and the whales.. as always. Grant... On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - I have the stuff gathered to change my bleeder valves and RR the Brake fluid - well everything but the time and the brake fluid. 2 questions: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Some have suggested using a short pipe to put between the seat and pedal so the pedal is slightly depressed. does that prevent air entering the system? Not sure I'll have the time to finish the job at one time. Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Huh. This is interesting. Can all bleeder screws be open and draining at the same time? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all who replied! I now know - DOT4 and gravity are my friends ;-) Merry Christmas - Sincerely, Larry I have successfully gravity bled brakes on 126 and 123. About to do it on 107. Just open the bleeders, go do somethin else and let it drain. Come back later, when the lines are empty. Then fill the master and wait for fluid to run out. close each bleeder when fluid if running out. Simple, but time consuming. Works with abs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
*Great idea!! I have a couple of spare fuel pumps (MGB which are nominally 3-5psi) that should do the job and I may add a T and do both wheels on one axle at a time. It may be more trouble than it's worth as watching the MC will become even more critical. i guess I could make a push button on/off switch with long wires so i could watch the MC and turn the pump on and off as needed**..** ** **Thanks for the suggestion --- I may try this... i keep thinking the inlet and outlet on the FP are a lot larger than the bleeder so I may **need a adapter ...* Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 1:13 PM, G Mann wrote: I cheat because it's a better, easier way to change brake fluid. Purchase a 12 volt fuel pump, Low pressure pump that does 10 psi or less will work fine. Purchase some clear poly tubing, the semi soft kind, that will fit over the brake bleeder nicely. Connect that line to the 12v fuel pump intake port, connect some more of same line to the output side of pump. Place output hose in an empty soda bottle. Open brake master cap. Open bleed valve [Start at the longest line]. Have supply of fresh fluid handy. Turn on pump and watch the master cylinder reservoir level go down. When the reservoir level gets to bottom 1/4 , add clean fluid and pump more while watching for clean fluid to come out of bleed port. When you get clean fluid, stop the pump and close the bleed port. Refill the master and move to the next longest line. Repeat for each wheel, always keeping the master reservoir with a good supply of clean fluid. Total time to bleed all 4 wheels and replace the total fluid with fresh is usually less than 15 minutes. It helps if all 4 wheels are off the ground and car in firmly on jack stands. As always, be safe. 12 volt, low end fuel pump online cost was less than $25. That pump is a dedicated brake bleed pump only now. When I'm all done, I flush the pump with mineral spirits [cheap paint thinner available at any hardware]. Dispose of the used brake fluid properly.. save the baby seals and the whales.. as always. Grant... On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - I have the stuff gathered to change my bleeder valves and RR the Brake fluid - well everything but the time and the brake fluid. 2 questions: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Some have suggested using a short pipe to put between the seat and pedal so the pedal is slightly depressed. does that prevent air entering the system? Not sure I'll have the time to finish the job at one time. Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Sounds like a great way to bleed brakes on a little used car when in no hurry to put it on the road. Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 9:42 AM, Dieselhead wrote: Thanks to all who replied! I now know - DOT4 and gravity are my friends ;-) Merry Christmas - Sincerely, Larry I have successfully gravity bled brakes on 126 and 123. About to do it on 107. Just open the bleeders, go do somethin else and let it drain. Come back later, when the lines are empty. Then fill the master and wait for fluid to run out. close each bleeder when fluid if running out. Simple, but time consuming. Works with abs. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
I dunno Grant, the last time I did brake work I borrowed (belatedly) Fred's power bleeder. It hooks to a front tire and has a reservoir of brake fluid. Attach to the MC, attach to tire which pressurizes the system forcing fluid into the MC. Open brake bleeder, wait until new fluid comes out, close. Move to next bleeder and repeat. Super simple. Next time I need brake work I intend to buy one. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:13:44 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal Message-ID: CANTuLYhr5HkfdSAeAb+e4=mmcku-za45xp7jznxne-b8f55...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I cheat because it's a better, easier way to change brake fluid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
What brand is that one? Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 4:52 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I dunno Grant, the last time I did brake work I borrowed (belatedly) Fred's power bleeder. It hooks to a front tire and has a reservoir of brake fluid. Attach to the MC, attach to tire which pressurizes the system forcing fluid into the MC. Open brake bleeder, wait until new fluid comes out, close. Move to next bleeder and repeat. Super simple. Next time I need brake work I intend to buy one. -Curt Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 11:13:44 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal Message-ID: CANTuLYhr5HkfdSAeAb+e4=mmcku-za45xp7jznxne-b8f55...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I cheat because it's a better, easier way to change brake fluid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
Does the gravity (Issac Newton method is what we called it here in OK) work with anti-lock brake systems? I was under the impression that it won't, hence the need for a pressure bleeder (from either the top or the bottom). -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal dave3u9a
I don't know for sure. I always heard that ABS systems required a pressure bleeder. Scott -Original Message- From: OK Don Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:54 PM Does the gravity (Issac Newton method is what we called it here in OK) work with anti-lock brake systems? I was under the impression that it won't, hence the need for a pressure bleeder (from either the top or the bottom). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
That brake bleeder that was discussed some years ago uses a flaps cap with an air fitting and low pressure to push the fluid from the reservoir using your air compressor. That would push it more quickly. I use a mityvac to suck it out, kinda messy but works. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:58 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: *Great idea!! I have a couple of spare fuel pumps (MGB which are nominally 3-5psi) that should do the job and I may add a T and do both wheels on one axle at a time. It may be more trouble than it's worth as watching the MC will become even more critical. i guess I could make a push button on/off switch with long wires so i could watch the MC and turn the pump on and off as needed**..** ** **Thanks for the suggestion --- I may try this... i keep thinking the inlet and outlet on the FP are a lot larger than the bleeder so I may **need a adapter ...* Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 1:13 PM, G Mann wrote: I cheat because it's a better, easier way to change brake fluid. Purchase a 12 volt fuel pump, Low pressure pump that does 10 psi or less will work fine. Purchase some clear poly tubing, the semi soft kind, that will fit over the brake bleeder nicely. Connect that line to the 12v fuel pump intake port, connect some more of same line to the output side of pump. Place output hose in an empty soda bottle. Open brake master cap. Open bleed valve [Start at the longest line]. Have supply of fresh fluid handy. Turn on pump and watch the master cylinder reservoir level go down. When the reservoir level gets to bottom 1/4 , add clean fluid and pump more while watching for clean fluid to come out of bleed port. When you get clean fluid, stop the pump and close the bleed port. Refill the master and move to the next longest line. Repeat for each wheel, always keeping the master reservoir with a good supply of clean fluid. Total time to bleed all 4 wheels and replace the total fluid with fresh is usually less than 15 minutes. It helps if all 4 wheels are off the ground and car in firmly on jack stands. As always, be safe. 12 volt, low end fuel pump online cost was less than $25. That pump is a dedicated brake bleed pump only now. When I'm all done, I flush the pump with mineral spirits [cheap paint thinner available at any hardware]. Dispose of the used brake fluid properly.. save the baby seals and the whales.. as always. Grant... On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Gang - I have the stuff gathered to change my bleeder valves and RR the Brake fluid - well everything but the time and the brake fluid. 2 questions: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Some have suggested using a short pipe to put between the seat and pedal so the pedal is slightly depressed. does that prevent air entering the system? Not sure I'll have the time to finish the job at one time. Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
DOT 4. Do NOT use DOT 5. DOT 3 and 4 are compatible. DOT 5 isn't. DOT3 will swell the brake hoses shut. Not a happy day. DOT 3 sucks DONT USE DOT3 ever in any german machine. Good stuff is Castrol GT/LMA brake fluid, or the ATE stuff, if you can find it, or MB $juice$ from the stealership. BEWARE! Flaps are now selling synthetic DOT3/4. I have no data about that stuff, so I assume it is as bad as DOT3. It is neither DOT 3 nor DOT4. There is a DOT5e that is compatible with DOT3 and Dot 4. I think it is a synDot3/4 with a higher boiling point. Again, until there is some data, I assume it is not compatible with MB. True DOT5 (Silicone) brake fluid may be used in 80s vintage MBs if you do it right. That involves flushing the system to get all the DOT4 stuff out. I did it by multiple bleeding until I no longer found the bubbles of DOT 4 mixed with the DOT 5 that you flush out.A good time to make the switch is if you need a new master cyl anyway. True DOT5 is NOT COMPATIBLE with DOT3 or DOT 4 or DOT5e. DOT 5 is good stuff and MB components are compatible with it. DOT 5 has a higher boiling point than DOT 3 Or DOT 4. It is not as hygroscopic as DOT3 or DOT 4. Brake fluids have gotten a lot more confused in the last few years with this DOT3/4 and DOT 5e synthetics. I found an independent flaps today that has 4 QUARTS of castrol GT/LMA DOT4 today. I bought 2 qts. I will be changing out brake hoses on one car in the next few days. The other qt, I will take home. Oreally, advance, and autozoña dont have it. Oreally is the only one that has a DOT4 . (in their haus-brand) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal
DOT 4. Do NOT use DOT 5. DOT 3 and 4 are compatible. DOT 5 isn't. Just unscrew the bleeder with a drip pan below. Only a little fluid will leak before you get the new one started. Wipe and excess odd the caliper and tire when you are done. Gravity should keep air out of the system. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:15 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] re Brake Bleeder Valve removal Hi Gang - I have the stuff gathered to change my bleeder valves and RR the Brake fluid - well everything but the time and the brake fluid. 2 questions: 1. What DOT BF Should I use? I used to use DOT 4 but some forums have made that sound like a poor choice. 2. How can I remove the old valves and put the new ones in without losing lots of fluid or letting sir into the system? Some have suggested using a short pipe to put between the seat and pedal so the pedal is slightly depressed. does that prevent air entering the system? Not sure I'll have the time to finish the job at one time. Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
