Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Summer half price meteorite sale
mah its many strange, this person its the unique that it does not succeed to put messagges in a yahoo group when the other there they succeedmistery At 04:31 PM 8/2/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad - Quijingue pallasite
Hi, I have a 5.45g lovely slice of Quinjingue for sale! http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/Quijin5A.jpg http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/Quijin5B.jpg Any offers over $120 that can be paypalled promptly will be accepted! thanks dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
JK and List, I LIKE the (legitimate) advertisements. It's good to know when new material is available. In the August number of Meteorite magazine Norbert Classen mentions how, late one night, an email on this list from John and Dawn Birdsell led him to one of the gems of his already fantastic collection. I look forward to sales postings by Stefan Ralew, Sergey Vasiliev, Norm Lehrman, Anne Black, Lars Pedersen and others in addition to Bessey, Farmer and the Hupés, all of whom I buy from. John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you! Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
this from a guy who has not known pluto was a planet for centuries? Kashuba, Ontario, California wrote: JK and List, I LIKE the (legitimate) advertisements. It's good to know when new material is available. In the August number of Meteorite magazine Norbert Classen mentions how, late one night, an email on this list from John and Dawn Birdsell led him to one of the gems of his already fantastic collection. I look forward to sales postings by Stefan Ralew, Sergey Vasiliev, Norm Lehrman, Anne Black, Lars Pedersen and others in addition to Bessey, Farmer and the Hupés, all of whom I buy from. John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you! Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you!
But... The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it, and what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what offends, and it's different for everybody. As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that on its own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever sent. Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky. My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine distinctions for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black coffee and hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock. Soon they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably get out of hand. I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you don't like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push. Just flush. Imagine that DEL stands for DELiver to Hell, and you'll feel good when you do it. The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to remember all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said much the same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety, and use the button (but not enough), both. Sterling (13,926 messages in my Inbox) Webb -- JKGwilliam wrote: Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!Thank you!
I have to agree with Sterling, just delete it! I have no problem deleting any of the ADs because I usually do not buy my meteorites and mostly collect the ones I find myself. ADs or people's post I am not interested in - delete! Saves you a lot of time and frustrations! :-) Good night, Moni From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED],DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!Thank you! Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:04:46 -0500 But... The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it, and what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what offends, and i's different for everybody. As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that on its own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever sent. Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky. My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine distinctions for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black coffee and hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock. Soon they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably get out of hand. I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you don't like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push. Just flush. Imagine that DEL stands for DELiver to Hell, and you'll feel good when you do it. The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to remember all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said much the same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety, and use the button (but not enough), both. Sterling (13,926 messages in my Inbox) Webb -- JKGwilliam wrote: Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART ONE
Hi, Everybody! This original must have been too log. It didn't post. Here it is in parts. Part One: There is some intense behind-the-scenes maneuvering going on here. In his initial press announcement, Brown spoke of 2003UB313 very much as you would expect, in the jargon of the trade, referring to it as a KBO (and TNO), by number and so forth. Then, on the fourth day, his press and website sprouted out with the word planet in great profusion everywhere. It was a total turnabout. On the same day, it was announced that the IAU in Paris, which was scheduled to deliver a formal definition of what is a planet? in about a year from now, would MIRACULOUSLY have a full definition ready in about a WEEK! They are so efficient, aren't they? Really marvelous... It does not take a seer, clairvoyant, or TV psychic to guess what that new definition will do to the status of 2003UB313. Otherwise, why rush it out? Brown has said, in effect, that he will see to it, via the press and by the cultural definition, that everyone on this planet will be calling that body a PLANET (whatever the IAU says, is implied) by the time they issue their totally objective (naturellement!) academic decision. There are three reasons for this. One, only three human beings (and no living human being) has ever discovered a planet. Those names, Herschel, LeVerrier, and Tombaugh, will be in history books for 500 years? 1000 years? getting more important as we move out into that solar system, and Brown is staking his claim to his place right beside them. He's got the right to. Two, 2003UB313 IS a planet under the rules that were in effect at the time of discovery. You don't change the rules after the game is over because you don't like the outcome, not even in Paris (or do ou?). This is a familiar principle to us all, and has a strong role in the science game, as well as all other human spheres of activity. Three, he's IN THE RIGHT here. I happen to agree with this myself and I thought so before I ever heard Brown's name. I said to my self, I said, Self, if it's twice as big as Pluto (a planet), then it's a planet! Wonder who found it? Guy's gonna be famous! My definition of a planet in my original post (WHAT IS A PLANET?) was as follows: if it goes around the Sun and is demonstrably larger than Ceres, IT'S A PLANET. As for sphericity, anything as big as Ceres is going to be spherical, so that roundness is implied, since at this size no material could withstand the crushing forces of gravity, neither the lightest ices nor iron itself. Stay tuned for Part Two... Sterling K. Webb -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART TWO
Hi, Everybody! My original message must have been too long. It didn't post. Here it is in parts. Part Two: My definition of a planet in my original post (WHAT IS A PLANET?) was as follows: if it goes around the Sun and is demonstrably larger than Ceres, IT'S A PLANET. As for sphericity, anything as big as Ceres is going to be spherical, so that roundness is implied, since at this size no material could withstand the crushing forces of gravity, neither the lightest ices nor iron itself. Then, there would then be three classes of planets: the Terrestrial, the Jovian, and the Plutonian planets. Naming by example is always a good choice before you know everything. (The word is Plutonian, AL. I didn't coin it; it already existed.) Three kinds of planets, all bigger than Ceres; two kinds of minor planets: the Terrestrial, from Ceres down to a small NWA precursor, and the Plutonian ones; hellride comets; and trash like zodiaical dust... There's your solar system. This preserves the terrestrial minor planet class, or asteroids, as it is and as it should be understood, instead of forcing us to throw Pluto and all the 100's of KBO's already known into the existing minor planet class and have them messily displace Ceres and Vesta and... Stern's definition, by the way, would make the spherical minor planets (Ceres, Vesta, etc.) full planets, just like you want, Doug. It's OK by me, if you can talk'em into it! As for the criteria of sheer size, what about the common complaint that Pluto and 2003UB313 and the KBO's just aren't big enough to be planets? Well, compared to Jupiter, the EARTH isn't big enough to be considered a planet, either! Just rubble, mere space junk... These are three distinct and easily definable compositional classes, with their own distinct formational histories. They are: bodies of rock (including iron) and few volatiles, the terrestrials; bodies of volatiles (and perhaps a little rock), the Jovians; and bodies of both rock and volatiles, the Plutonians. Anything larger than a MINOR planet is a MAJOR planet, or A Just Plain Planet. Simple, isn't it? Notice the logical completeness of this three-fold definition. It is, when stripped bare, essentially this: 1) ALL rock, 2) ALL volatiles, and 3) significant admixtures of rock AND volatiles (half and half or whatever it happens to be). These are all of the logical combinations of these two principal ingredients of a solar system, since this how we usually divide the elements: by their thermal behavior and their most common physical state in the universe at large. Pretty fundamental, really. A few obvious things jump out. The Terrestrial planets are made from volatile-free rocky-iron planetesimals, the non-accreted survivors of which are the asteroids, or Minor Planets. Many of the minor league players are not really so minor; if Ceres had a stable orbit between Venus and Mercury, we'd call it a planet, no problem, and would have been calling it so for thousands of years, as it would be a naked-eye planet there. The Jovian planets are largely made from volatiles, not planetesimals, so there are no survivor planetesimals. But there were some rocky planetesimals (In the same region? Further out? Further in? Good question...) that held on to some of those same volatiles themselves, despite likely competition from the Jovian planets. (That's some competition!) They are the Plutonian major and minor planets. There are hundreds of them (already). There could be thousands. Some are more rocky (like Pluto); some are less rocky (like Charon, its moon). There are Plutonian Minor Planets (smaller than Ceres), probably a huge number, just like our numerous Terrestrial Minor Planets, the asteroids. It's a New Solar System. Those that are bigger than Ceres are Planets (Period), just like Mercury is a planet and not an asteroid, despite the fact that it is not even half again as big as the Earth's Moon, which would be a planet if it weren't in orbit around US and went around the Sun instead. (Being a satellite is just luck of the draw, you know.) Not to be a trouble-maker (who? me?), but there's a chance that Mercury is SMALLER than 2003UB313... Whoops! So, will that make Mercury an asteroid? Hey! If 2003UB313 is, then... What about the NEXT and bigger one to be discovered? It will be, you know. You may have already noticed a pattern of zoning here. There are the Terrestrials with some minor planets among them (Apollos, Amors, Atens). Outward of the Terrestrial major planets are the Terrestrial minor planets. Outward of them are the Jovian planets, with satellites many of which are captured inner Plutonian planets. The Plutonian planets are unlikely to be merely escaped or ejected Jovian planetesimals (analogous to the terrestrial minor planets), because if the Plutonians were, the Jovians would be far rockier (and denser) than they
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Sterling W. wrote: Then, there would then be three classes of planets: the Terrestrial, the Jovian, and the Plutonian planets. Hola Sterling; I'm on board with just one reservation. With all this hullabaloo going on about with Pluto in the spotlight and reticence to accept these huge, much larger-than-asteroid-sized round, errr thingies way out there that look likewell...errr...planets, on technical knock out decisions (TKOs) I can't help thinking that Jovian planets Jupiter and Saturn should be stripped of their planetary status while IAU is re-inventing a concept more ancient than the wheel...Jupiter has a LLLOT more in common with a brown dwarf star than a planet for my taste, and the accepted fact that a brown dwarf cannot sustain nuclear fusion (and only for a brief period in its lifetime fused deuterium). Any business about independent orbits for planets and stars is bunk to me as we have plenty of cases of companion stars orbiting a principal star...and Jupiter definitely has even its own Jovian system in my argument's case. So as soon as we lose Pluto and Charon, Let's loose Jupiter while we are at it. Way too much emphasis is being placed on biased definitions leaving Earth MORE important than it is in the scheme of things...in the big leagues...now that are changing as we go...Fair is fair if one wants to re-invent (cultural) classifications older than the wheel. Mercury seems too small and inclined while we are at it - smaller than Mars. But we can see Mercury with the unaided eye, so I guess there is a lot of anti-Copernican prejudice in this still. As a matter of fact, lets loose all the other eight planets and just stick with Earth. That's where this is leading. The ancients would have a ball. Earth was never a planet (or wanderer) for most of those centuries ! It was just Earth in the arrogant perfection of the Aristotelian system...so maybe there are no planets at all. Historically we seem to be at another Tychonic view of the heavens...and that DID NOT stand the test of time... Take the clue, esteemed IAU :), Tychonically yours, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 3, 2005
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[meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART THREE, Sort of...
Hi, Everybody! I said: Notice the logical completeness of this three-fold definition. It is, when stripped bare, essentially this: 1) ALL rock, 2) ALL volatiles, and 3) significant admixtures of rock AND volatiles (half and half or whatever it happens to be). Of course, the volatiles in Plutonian planets are almost entirely in the form of solids. More than solids, minerals. Most is water ice. Water ice we think we know, but we don't. We only know Ice I, weak pitiful stuff, quite ephemeral. There is Ice II through Ice IX. Each Ice has radically different properties from Ice I and from each other, different densities, melting and boiling points, atomic structure. Each is a remarkable substance, unlike anything ever seen on Earth. Many of the Ice states are very hard to create in the laboratory and then only under extreme conditions. Not all of them have been created successfully. In theory, metallic Ice is possible, but has never been observed. The interior dynamics of Plutonian planets, especially large ones, are probably dominated by the unknown mechanisms and properties of the various physical states of Ice. A complete phase diagram of Ice, in all is forms, is not even fully known, but what portions of one that we do have is suggestive of tremendously complicated internals for a Plutonian planet. And of course, Plutonian planets are only possible where they do in fact exist, in the coldest parts of the solar system where large-body Ice dynamics is possible. Sterling K. Webb -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.....Taza!
Hello All, When you guys go through your collection and you get to that little iron known as Taza, Do you label it as Taza or NWA 859? Is one preferred over another? Hi For me its Taza, not matter what Met Bulletin say. To be correct I have on my labels written: Taza (NWA859). But NWA859 is too much associate to NWA869 when I look at it :)) so I more like Taza. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART THREE, Sort of, continued...
Hi, Everybody! I said: Water ice we think we know, but we don't. We only know Ice I, weak pitiful stuff, quite ephemeral. Each Ice has radically different properties from Ice I and from each other, different densities, melting and boiling points, atomic structure. Each is a remarkable substance, unlike anything ever seen on Earth. For the mineral structures of Ice, see: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PETROLGY/Ice%20Structure.HTM Petrologists ahould love this stuff... Neat diagrams. And: http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PETROLGY/Ice%20Structure.HTM More complicated... And, for a really complex view, see: http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/phase.html It shows the Ices up through Ice XII ! Imagine the internal dynamics of a really big IceWorld! I can't, but I know there's a lot going on there we don't understand. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.....Taza!
Hi Cj, as desert irons are very rare - commonly they are reffered to with their proper names, rather than with their number. Especially with Taza, everybody says Taza and knows immediately, which meteorite is meant. NWA859 takes a cerebral second longer as it sounds similar with the ubiquist NWA869... I label Taza always:Taza (NWA859). If I search here in the titles http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html then I get 2 hits for Taza, and Zero meteoriterelated for 859 Meow! Martin - Original Message - From: Peanut .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.Taza! Hello All, When you guys go through your collection and you get to that little iron known as Taza, Do you label it as Taza or NWA 859? Is one preferred over another? Cj IMCA# 3432 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cjsmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!Thank you!
Just DELETE. Jerry - Original Message - From: moni waiblinger-seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!Thank you! I have to agree with Sterling, just delete it! I have no problem deleting any of the ADs because I usually do not buy my meteorites and mostly collect the ones I find myself. ADs or people's post I am not interested in - delete! Saves you a lot of time and frustrations! :-) Good night, Moni From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED],DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!Thank you! Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 03:04:46 -0500 But... The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it, and what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what offends, and i's different for everybody. As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that on its own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever sent. Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky. My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine distinctions for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black coffee and hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock. Soon they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably get out of hand. I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you don't like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push. Just flush. Imagine that DEL stands for DELiver to Hell, and you'll feel good when you do it. The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to remember all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said much the same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety, and use the button (but not enough), both. Sterling (13,926 messages in my Inbox) Webb -- JKGwilliam wrote: Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups.
Re: [meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART ONE
I DIG IT. Jerry - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART ONE Hi, Everybody! This original must have been too log. It didn't post. Here it is in parts. Part One: There is some intense behind-the-scenes maneuvering going on here. In his initial press announcement, Brown spoke of 2003UB313 very much as you would expect, in the jargon of the trade, referring to it as a KBO (and TNO), by number and so forth. Then, on the fourth day, his press and website sprouted out with the word planet in great profusion everywhere. It was a total turnabout. On the same day, it was announced that the IAU in Paris, which was scheduled to deliver a formal definition of what is a planet? in about a year from now, would MIRACULOUSLY have a full definition ready in about a WEEK! They are so efficient, aren't they? Really marvelous... It does not take a seer, clairvoyant, or TV psychic to guess what that new definition will do to the status of 2003UB313. Otherwise, why rush it out? Brown has said, in effect, that he will see to it, via the press and by the cultural definition, that everyone on this planet will be calling that body a PLANET (whatever the IAU says, is implied) by the time they issue their totally objective (naturellement!) academic decision. There are three reasons for this. One, only three human beings (and no living human being) has ever discovered a planet. Those names, Herschel, LeVerrier, and Tombaugh, will be in history books for 500 years? 1000 years? getting more important as we move out into that solar system, and Brown is staking his claim to his place right beside them. He's got the right to. Two, 2003UB313 IS a planet under the rules that were in effect at the time of discovery. You don't change the rules after the game is over because you don't like the outcome, not even in Paris (or do ou?). This is a familiar principle to us all, and has a strong role in the science game, as well as all other human spheres of activity. Three, he's IN THE RIGHT here. I happen to agree with this myself and I thought so before I ever heard Brown's name. I said to my self, I said, Self, if it's twice as big as Pluto (a planet), then it's a planet! Wonder who found it? Guy's gonna be famous! My definition of a planet in my original post (WHAT IS A PLANET?) was as follows: if it goes around the Sun and is demonstrably larger than Ceres, IT'S A PLANET. As for sphericity, anything as big as Ceres is going to be spherical, so that roundness is implied, since at this size no material could withstand the crushing forces of gravity, neither the lightest ices nor iron itself. Stay tuned for Part Two... Sterling K. Webb -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Defining 'Planet': Newfound World Forces Action
The word planet is simply not a scientific word, it is a cultural word. - Mike Brown, leader of the 10th planet discovery team Certainly. And I would say the cultural definition is obviously: A hermetical place. I find more planets in actual use than 9: Drivers Planet, Animal Planet, LearningPlanet, Planet Wissen, Education Planet, Planeta Moldova, Planet Planet, Planet Gnome, Planet Quake, PlanetOut, Wi-Fi Planet, Ocean Planet, Planet Half-Life, Planet PDF, JavaScript Planet, Planet Rugby, Planet Hollywood, Planet Helmi, Planet Ark, Planet F1, LinuxPlanet, Kid's Planet, Planet Tolerance, XUL Planet, Planet Recruit, Planet Mu Records, Planet eBook, Planet Debian, Mobile Planet, Executive Planet, Phantom Planet, Lyrics Planet, Conspiracy Planet, Planet Battlefield, MathPlanet, Planet Science, Alex John's Prison Planet, Reading Planet for Kids, Punk Planet, Futsal Planet, Planet Bordeaux, Fashion Planet, Our Planet, Home Planet, Planet Apache, NovaPlanet, Planet Typography, Planet Bollywood, BlackPlanet, Planet tv, Planet English, Planet Diary, ISP-planet, ACIDplanet, NEO Planet, Planet KDA, Planetphotoshop, Planet Mozilla, Lonely Planet, Planet ClassPath, Planet GameCube, PlanetAnalog, THE Planet, Planet Finance, PlanetPALS, Forbidden Planet, Planet Python, PlanetLab, PlanetMirror, Planet Patchwork, Weekly Planet, Planet Psych, Planet Sinclair, United Planet, Lesson Planet, Planet Sun, Planet Perl, Planet CCRMA at home, Planet freedesktop, Oxfam's Cool Planet for teachers, Panet Music Media, FilePlanet, PlanetSearch, Planet Source Code, Cheat Planet, Planet Unreal, Planet Technology, Kids' Planet, Planet Gentoo, Planet E Communications, Planet Lisp, Planet Ketchup!, Planet PHP, PlanetRider, Planet Chiropractic, ForumPlanet, One Small Planet, RPGPlanet, Planet SuSE, Pet Planet, StrategyPlanet, Planet Moon, PlanetHardware, Planet Catfish, Planet Garth, WorldPress Planet, Planet Darts, Grid Computing Planet, Planet Payment, Planet DOOM, Planet Holiday, Planet Tribes, Panet Hawaii, Planet 9, Planet Art Network, Planet Charters, Berkeley Daily Planet, Planet Emulation, Planet X, Red Planet, Big Planet, Planet Diablo, Planet Weblog, Planet Bluegrass, Planet Drum, BrightPlanet, Planet Airsoft, fat Planet, Planet Natural, Planet Herbs, Planet AvP, Planet Neverwinter, Planet Christmas, Planet Pets, Planet Fortress, PlanetPapers, Planet Dog, Planet Tango, FreebiesPlanet, Planet-Tolkien, Planet Newton, Planet Salsa, planet-soccer, Planet Tonga, Planet CNC, Planet WebQuest, Planet Home, Teacher Planet, Thin Planet, Planet Bike, Little Planet Learning, Planet Dreamcast, Planet SLUG, Planet Outdoors, Planet Baseball, Planet Family Guy, Downtown Planet Honolulu, Planet AgeofMythology, Cool Planet, Planet-Love, Planet Field Hockey, KnowledgePlanet, Sterling Planet, Restless Planet, LibraryPlanet, ClubPlanet, Planet Jabber, Planet Gong, Planet Cartoonist, Planet Spogg, Planet Twisted, Planet SARK, Healthy Kids Planet, Planet-x-bikes, Planet Rock, Planet Granite, Planet Orange, Planet MedalOfHonor, K12Planet, Planet Comicon, Planet HUMBUG, Planet MYOSS, Metropolis Planet, Planet Cancer, SportPlanet, Cancer Control Planet, Planet Ubuntu, Planet PS2, Planet Warcraft, Planet Descent, Ultrawidebandplanet, Paintball Planet, Planet Funds, fantastic planet, Planet SICK-BOY, Planet Organics, Planet Annihilation, Planet MiniDisc, Pokemon Planet, Christian Music Planet, Planet-dz, Duplex Planet, Planet DungeonSiege, Planet BalduesGate, Planet Megaman, Bad Movie Planet, Planet Relish, Atomic Planet, Planet Connect, Planet Kilmer, Planet Capoeira, Living Planet, Sticker Planet, Planet Waves, Planet xmlhack, Planet-B, Planet Therapy, Planet Daikatana, Planet DOBRO, Planetr ArsLinux, Planet BlackAndWhite, Small Biz Planet, Planet INternet, Collector's Planet, Mystic Planet, Planet TonyHawk, Planet-Save, Fanboy Planet, Planet Tekno, Planet DeusEx, Planet OpenOffice, Jini Planet, Roving Planet, Tupac Planet, Wet Planet, Planet Arkive, Atari Planet, Planet AiT/Planet Lar, Planet-D, Planet HCl, Planet Baha'i, Planet Ozkids, Planet Eugene Oregon, Martial Arts Planet, Planet Krulik 2000, Planet Debate, Demo Planet, Planet Lara, Planet of Slums, PlanetOut, PlanetEE, Homework Planet, Poster Planet, Planet Swank, Digital Sound Planet, Planet BnB, Planet Publish, Planet Connecticut, Planet LOUD, Download Planet, Planet Bubble, Planet Cars, Planet Sagem, 3D Action Planet, Planet Xbox, Chat Planet, Planet Duke, Planet Kingpin, Planet Vampire, Planet Blood, Planet Health Mission, Planet-Tegel, Stefans Planet, Planet Scooter, Planet Reseller, Planet groove... Sun Buckleboo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.....Taza!
The reason NASA ADS doesn't turn up anything is because this is a virtually unstudied meteorite, so there is no scientific literature on it. In fact, ADS gives one hit on the proper name, Northwest Africa 859, and three hits on Taza; all of these hits are to popular literature. If and when this meteorite appears in an abstract or peer-reviewed journal, you will find it only listed under the name Northwest Africa (NWA) 859. Taza is not the proper name as Martin called it. It is more of a nickname given by dealers before the meteorite was characterized. A similar case is the martian meteorite which some dealers dubbed Diderot, but which is really named NWA 2737. I might add that we don't know if this iron even came from Taza, Morocco, because the place of find was never reported. So call it whatever you like, but it would be a good idea if a label included the formal name, NWA 859. jeff At 07:07 AM 8/3/2005, Martin Altmann wrote: Hi Cj, as desert irons are very rare - commonly they are reffered to with their proper names, rather than with their number. Especially with Taza, everybody says Taza and knows immediately, which meteorite is meant. NWA859 takes a cerebral second longer as it sounds similar with the ubiquist NWA869... I label Taza always:Taza (NWA859). If I search here in the titles http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html then I get 2 hits for Taza, and Zero meteoriterelated for 859 Meow! Martin - Original Message - From: Peanut .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.Taza! Hello All, When you guys go through your collection and you get to that little iron known as Taza, Do you label it as Taza or NWA 859? Is one preferred over another? Cj IMCA# 3432 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cjsmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.....Taza!
Taza is certainly a proper name, linguistically, but not an officially recognized one. It refers to a geographical place (no matter, whether it was found there or not) following or imitating the usage to name meteorites after a geographical name of a place of a find, thus certainly different, then Diderot, Curie, Rintintin, which refer to famous personalities, chosen as working names by persons, who were perhaps involved in the discovery. As Taza was a larger find and there are only a few desert irons and cause the pattern of this plessitic iron are so charcteristic, that even the try of a layman to tell it apart from other desert irons will be successfull with a high probability, this name will be in use for the next 30 years, independently from what the MetSoc-pros will decide, who btw should - to adhere consequently to their priciples - then feel the urgent need to exchange the name Zagora with an NWA number, as there the find circumstances are similar mere as with Taza and that it was found before the NWA-era, can't be a reason to carry on with that name. Cheers! Martin - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.Taza! The reason NASA ADS doesn't turn up anything is because this is a virtually unstudied meteorite, so there is no scientific literature on it. In fact, ADS gives one hit on the proper name, Northwest Africa 859, and three hits on Taza; all of these hits are to popular literature. If and when this meteorite appears in an abstract or peer-reviewed journal, you will find it only listed under the name Northwest Africa (NWA) 859. Taza is not the proper name as Martin called it. It is more of a nickname given by dealers before the meteorite was characterized. A similar case is the martian meteorite which some dealers dubbed Diderot, but which is really named NWA 2737. I might add that we don't know if this iron even came from Taza, Morocco, because the place of find was never reported. So call it whatever you like, but it would be a good idea if a label included the formal name, NWA 859. jeff At 07:07 AM 8/3/2005, Martin Altmann wrote: Hi Cj, as desert irons are very rare - commonly they are reffered to with their proper names, rather than with their number. Especially with Taza, everybody says Taza and knows immediately, which meteorite is meant. NWA859 takes a cerebral second longer as it sounds similar with the ubiquist NWA869... I label Taza always:Taza (NWA859). If I search here in the titles http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html then I get 2 hits for Taza, and Zero meteoriterelated for 859 Meow! Martin - Original Message - From: Peanut .. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To be or not to be.Taza! Hello All, When you guys go through your collection and you get to that little iron known as Taza, Do you label it as Taza or NWA 859? Is one preferred over another? Cj IMCA# 3432 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cjsmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 02:11:55 -0500, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Three, he's IN THE RIGHT here. I happen to agree with this myself and I thought so before I ever heard Brown's name. I said to my self, I said, Self, if it's twice as big as Pluto (a planet), then it's a planet! Wonder who found it? Guy's gonna be famous! I just can't get over thinking of KBOs as overgrown comets, not tiny planets (never mind for the moment that we don't know exactly what KBOs or comets are made of yet) and I just can't bring myself to call something that would half sublimate away if brought to 1 AU a planet. But if they DO insist on calling this latest KBO a planet, then for sake of consistancy they darned well better call every other known large KBO a planet and call Ceres a planet and call every large KBO found in the future a planet. That way, when our Solar System ends up with 30 or 40 named planets they'll have to come up with the longest darned mnemonic device and interest in space science will shrink even more, being that the harder to memorize the list is, more kids will be turned off by science at an early age. Free the Solar 8! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART THREE, Sort of...
COOL! - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Repost: PLANETS, PART THREE, Sort of... Hi, Everybody! I said: Notice the logical completeness of this three-fold definition. It is, when stripped bare, essentially this: 1) ALL rock, 2) ALL volatiles, and 3) significant admixtures of rock AND volatiles (half and half or whatever it happens to be). Of course, the volatiles in Plutonian planets are almost entirely in the form of solids. More than solids, minerals. Most is water ice. Water ice we think we know, but we don't. We only know Ice I, weak pitiful stuff, quite ephemeral. There is Ice II through Ice IX. Each Ice has radically different properties from Ice I and from each other, different densities, melting and boiling points, atomic structure. Each is a remarkable substance, unlike anything ever seen on Earth. Many of the Ice states are very hard to create in the laboratory and then only under extreme conditions. Not all of them have been created successfully. In theory, metallic Ice is possible, but has never been observed. The interior dynamics of Plutonian planets, especially large ones, are probably dominated by the unknown mechanisms and properties of the various physical states of Ice. A complete phase diagram of Ice, in all is forms, is not even fully known, but what portions of one that we do have is suggestive of tremendously complicated internals for a Plutonian planet. And of course, Plutonian planets are only possible where they do in fact exist, in the coldest parts of the solar system where large-body Ice dynamics is possible. Sterling K. Webb -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Two, 2003UB313 IS a planet under the rules that were in effect at the time of discovery. There is no formal definition for a planet, and that it the crux of the problem. The IAU will be providing a formal definition soon. You don't change the rules after the game is over because you don't like the outcome, not even in Paris (or do you?). It is not a game, it is just a classification, which is being modified to accomodate the latest data. Just look at how meteorites are classified. We would like to classify each meteorite cleanly into its own subgroup. But we occasionaly run into a meteorite that doesn't fit very well in the current classification scheme, so we temporarily label it as 'anomolous'. We eventually modify the classification to accomodate these anomolous meteorites, usually by creating a new subgroup, or expanding the definition of an existing subgroup. Same thing with the planets. We have a few anomolous objects that don't fit very in the current classification, which was poorly defined to begin with. We are going through a process of reclassifcation based on the latest data, which was long overdue. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
But should the soap fit in the box or should the box be fitting for the soap?? - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Two, 2003UB313 IS a planet under the rules that were in effect at the time of discovery. There is no formal definition for a planet, and that it the crux of the problem. The IAU will be providing a formal definition soon. You don't change the rules after the game is over because you don't like the outcome, not even in Paris (or do you?). It is not a game, it is just a classification, which is being modified to accomodate the latest data. Just look at how meteorites are classified. We would like to classify each meteorite cleanly into its own subgroup. But we occasionaly run into a meteorite that doesn't fit very well in the current classification scheme, so we temporarily label it as 'anomolous'. We eventually modify the classification to accomodate these anomolous meteorites, usually by creating a new subgroup, or expanding the definition of an existing subgroup. Same thing with the planets. We have a few anomolous objects that don't fit very in the current classification, which was poorly defined to begin with. We are going through a process of reclassifcation based on the latest data, which was long overdue. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
John, Sterling and all, John, first I would like to mention that I am selective in reading what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with AD and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you, of course. In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never see he who must not be named allowed to post, his skill at worming his way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current signature on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment, I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts! Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!! Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point I only find it humorous nearly as much as the Who's on first? routine). Now, as for ADs I gotta agree with you here, at least to the point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try, myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most, one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week, and some of the better suppliers (such as Adam Mike Farmer to name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious just seeing the seemingly endless posts of I have such and such on eBay over and over and over, and Only a few hours left! etc. I find these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least droll. Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted slightly to limit it to one a month per person - but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every time someone said he aught to the list would long ago transformed into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been. Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said, Democracy is the worst form of government there isexcept every other form of government. So, while this list is not a democracy, it is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is. I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even hours, let alone days) when the meteorite blog was started! So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this way or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find interesting. I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this sentiment when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man, get a grip! Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per month, or whatever. even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so choose. but resign the list because you can't control yourself and must read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it. Best wishes, Michael on 8/3/05 1:04 AM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But... The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it, and what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what offends, and it's different for everybody. As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that on its own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever sent. Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky. My guess
Re: [meteorite-list] Defining 'Planet': Newfound World Forces Action
Hi, Martin, See, I knew there were more than nine planets! Some of these planets sound interesting. Do you suppose the Planet Reseller has a good stock of used Planets? I guess we all live on Planet Internet. I know I live on Planet Bluegrass and Planet DOBRO sometimes. And to my amazement, I apparently have a Planet all my own that I wasn't even aware of: Sterling Planet! Or is that what people mean when they shake their heads and say I'm living in a world of my own? Sterling Webb Martin Altmann wrote: The word planet is simply not a scientific word, it is a cultural word. - Mike Brown, leader of the 10th planet discovery team Certainly. And I would say the cultural definition is obviously: A hermetical place. I find more planets in actual use than 9: Drivers Planet, Animal Planet, LearningPlanet, Planet Wissen, Education Planet, Planeta Moldova, Planet Planet, Planet Gnome, Planet Quake, PlanetOut, Wi-Fi Planet, Ocean Planet, Planet Half-Life, Planet PDF, JavaScript Planet, Planet Rugby, Planet Hollywood, Planet Helmi, Planet Ark, Planet F1, LinuxPlanet, Kid's Planet, Planet Tolerance, XUL Planet, Planet Recruit, Planet Mu Records, Planet eBook, Planet Debian, Mobile Planet, Executive Planet, Phantom Planet, Lyrics Planet, Conspiracy Planet, Planet Battlefield, MathPlanet, Planet Science, Alex John's Prison Planet, Reading Planet for Kids, Punk Planet, Futsal Planet, Planet Bordeaux, Fashion Planet, Our Planet, Home Planet, Planet Apache, NovaPlanet, Planet Typography, Planet Bollywood, BlackPlanet, Planet tv, Planet English, Planet Diary, ISP-planet, ACIDplanet, NEO Planet, Planet KDA, Planetphotoshop, Planet Mozilla, Lonely Planet, Planet ClassPath, Planet GameCube, PlanetAnalog, THE Planet, Planet Finance, PlanetPALS, Forbidden Planet, Planet Python, PlanetLab, PlanetMirror, Planet Patchwork, Weekly Planet, Planet Psych, Planet Sinclair, United Planet, Lesson Planet, Planet Sun, Planet Perl, Planet CCRMA at home, Planet freedesktop, Oxfam's Cool Planet for teachers, Panet Music Media, FilePlanet, PlanetSearch, Planet Source Code, Cheat Planet, Planet Unreal, Planet Technology, Kids' Planet, Planet Gentoo, Planet E Communications, Planet Lisp, Planet Ketchup!, Planet PHP, PlanetRider, Planet Chiropractic, ForumPlanet, One Small Planet, RPGPlanet, Planet SuSE, Pet Planet, StrategyPlanet, Planet Moon, PlanetHardware, Planet Catfish, Planet Garth, WorldPress Planet, Planet Darts, Grid Computing Planet, Planet Payment, Planet DOOM, Planet Holiday, Planet Tribes, Panet Hawaii, Planet 9, Planet Art Network, Planet Charters, Berkeley Daily Planet, Planet Emulation, Planet X, Red Planet, Big Planet, Planet Diablo, Planet Weblog, Planet Bluegrass, Planet Drum, BrightPlanet, Planet Airsoft, fat Planet, Planet Natural, Planet Herbs, Planet AvP, Planet Neverwinter, Planet Christmas, Planet Pets, Planet Fortress, PlanetPapers, Planet Dog, Planet Tango, FreebiesPlanet, Planet-Tolkien, Planet Newton, Planet Salsa, planet-soccer, Planet Tonga, Planet CNC, Planet WebQuest, Planet Home, Teacher Planet, Thin Planet, Planet Bike, Little Planet Learning, Planet Dreamcast, Planet SLUG, Planet Outdoors, Planet Baseball, Planet Family Guy, Downtown Planet Honolulu, Planet AgeofMythology, Cool Planet, Planet-Love, Planet Field Hockey, KnowledgePlanet, Sterling Planet, Restless Planet, LibraryPlanet, ClubPlanet, Planet Jabber, Planet Gong, Planet Cartoonist, Planet Spogg, Planet Twisted, Planet SARK, Healthy Kids Planet, Planet-x-bikes, Planet Rock, Planet Granite, Planet Orange, Planet MedalOfHonor, K12Planet, Planet Comicon, Planet HUMBUG, Planet MYOSS, Metropolis Planet, Planet Cancer, SportPlanet, Cancer Control Planet, Planet Ubuntu, Planet PS2, Planet Warcraft, Planet Descent, Ultrawidebandplanet, Paintball Planet, Planet Funds, fantastic planet, Planet SICK-BOY, Planet Organics, Planet Annihilation, Planet MiniDisc, Pokemon Planet, Christian Music Planet, Planet-dz, Duplex Planet, Planet DungeonSiege, Planet BalduesGate, Planet Megaman, Bad Movie Planet, Planet Relish, Atomic Planet, Planet Connect, Planet Kilmer, Planet Capoeira, Living Planet, Sticker Planet, Planet Waves, Planet xmlhack, Planet-B, Planet Therapy, Planet Daikatana, Planet DOBRO, Planetr ArsLinux, Planet BlackAndWhite, Small Biz Planet, Planet INternet, Collector's Planet, Mystic Planet, Planet TonyHawk, Planet-Save, Fanboy Planet, Planet Tekno, Planet DeusEx, Planet OpenOffice, Jini Planet, Roving Planet, Tupac Planet, Wet Planet, Planet Arkive, Atari Planet, Planet AiT/Planet Lar, Planet-D, Planet HCl, Planet Baha'i, Planet Ozkids, Planet Eugene Oregon, Martial Arts Planet, Planet Krulik 2000, Planet Debate, Demo Planet, Planet Lara, Planet of Slums, PlanetOut, PlanetEE, Homework Planet, Poster Planet, Planet Swank, Digital Sound Planet, Planet BnB, Planet Publish, Planet Connecticut, Planet LOUD, Download Planet,
[meteorite-list] Wanted persons
Hello anyone have contact with Zelimir Gabelica ? You not answering my emails. Can You send me detail about this man from Poland ? and Dave Mouat from Reno in Nevada. Anyone know what happend to him ? He ordered meteororites and dissapear. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! AD OT, OT AD.
Hi Captain, John, Sterling, perhaps John wanted to express that what, I guess, Laotse said: An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg. Planet Buckleboo - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! John, Sterling and all, John, first I would like to mention that I am selective in reading what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with AD and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you, of course. In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never see he who must not be named allowed to post, his skill at worming his way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current signature on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment, I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts! Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!! Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point I only find it humorous nearly as much as the Who's on first? routine). Now, as for ADs I gotta agree with you here, at least to the point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try, myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most, one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week, and some of the better suppliers (such as Adam Mike Farmer to name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious just seeing the seemingly endless posts of I have such and such on eBay over and over and over, and Only a few hours left! etc. I find these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least droll. Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted slightly to limit it to one a month per person - but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every time someone said he aught to the list would long ago transformed into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been. Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said, Democracy is the worst form of government there isexcept every other form of government. So, while this list is not a democracy, it is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is. I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even hours, let alone days) when the meteorite blog was started! So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this way or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find interesting. I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this sentiment when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man, get a grip! Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per month, or whatever. even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so choose. but resign the list because you can't control yourself and must read
Re: [meteorite-list]... Art...delete me or SSteve from here now!
Hello Michael and List, Thanks for your post, Michael. I totally agree with you on these points: ...but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list... (Thank you , Art!) ...but resign the list because you can't control yourself and must read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it. Best regards, Robert __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ..and again
..the metlist is full of threads regarding SSteve and other people's likes/dislikes of him/his contributions/ his ads c.. one email from him starts a torrent of the usual complaints from the same people. Let it go. It's boring. Just delete the emails if you find them 'offensive'! My only and last word on this ongoing idiocy. dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
I suggested Persephone. http://www.newscientistspace.com/channel/solar-system/dn7776 Join the battle of the planet names 12:51 02 August 2005 NewScientist.com news service Sean O'Neill Imagine your excitement if you discovered a new planet. The privilege of suggesting its name would be yours. But what would you call it, and why? We want you to send us your idea and the reason you chose it and we'll let you know the best. But read on if you need inspiration. The person facing the planet-naming conundrum for real is Caltech astronomer Mike Brown. He and his team found our solar system’s tenth planet, which is larger than Pluto and currently three times farther from the Sun. The new world has been designated 2003 UB313 by the Minor Planet Center, but Brown has already suggested a more catchy name to a 15-member panel at the International Astronomical Union, who will make the final decision. The name in question is currently being kept strictly under wraps. Brown's team had been calling the planet Xena, after TV’s Warrior Princess. But that was our tongue-in-cheek internal name, never intended for public consumption, he admits. Perhaps his newborn daughter, Lilah, has offered further inspiration – Brown's website on the new planet is called www.lilahsplanet.com. Gods and characters from classical mythology have most frequently provided names for solar system worlds, but that need not stifle your creativity. And you may wish to bear in mind these official guidelines: • Names should be pronounceable, non-offensive, 16 characters or less in length and preferably one word • Names should not be too similar to an existing name of a minor planet or natural planetary satellite • Names for persons or events known primarily for their military or political activities are acceptable only after 100 years elapsed since the person died or the event occurred • Names of a purely or principally commercial nature are not allowed • Names of pet animals are discouraged So please send us your proposed name and your reasons for picking it and we will publish the best, whether they be serious, intriguing, or just funny. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
Thanks for your input Michael, I always enjoy your perspective. Maybe you misunderstood what I said about my issues with the list. I don't read every post. In fact, I delete close to 50% of what's on the list automatically. I may be wrong here, but I think the off-topic content of this list has increased recently. Maybe this is just the natural evolution of a forum and there's nothing that can be done about the issues I've made note of. BTW, I got a personal email from Dave Andrews today and he informed me he has left the list. Best, JKGwilliam At 09:14 AM 8/3/2005, Michael L Blood wrote: Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per month, or whatever. even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so choose. but resign the list because you can't control yourself and must read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list]... Art...delete me or SSteve from here now!
I did forget to mention in my prior posts that Art has done a superlative job with the Meteorite List. Thank you Art for all the effort you've made to bring the meteorite community closer together. Best, John Gwilliam At 09:35 AM 8/3/2005, Robert Woolard wrote: Hello Michael and List, Thanks for your post, Michael. I totally agree with you on these points: ...but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list... (Thank you , Art!) ...but resign the list because you can't control yourself and must read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it. Best regards, Robert __ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: This is it, $15, 000 in meteorites ending tonight
Hi again, I have loaded 70 meteorites on ebay, I recently bought a small collection and loaded some rare micros, and many other larger pieces. Around $15,000 in meteorites up for grabs tonight, high bids take them home. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549092171 Check this baby out! Show me a large Zag individual for one cent start! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549125417 NEW mesosiderite, incredible etched metal nodule. Flying saucer Sikhote-Alin http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549134671 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6549140274 Large Muonionalusta slice. Again, over 70 meteorites ending in a few hours, see them all at the links below. Many are still at one cent! http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteorite-hunter/ http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritehunters/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Lao Tse
on 8/3/05 9:39 AM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Captain, John, Sterling, perhaps John wanted to express that what, I guess, Laotse said: An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg. Planet Buckleboo --- Lao Tse said that, eh? Michael - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! John, Sterling and all, John, first I would like to mention that I am selective in reading what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with AD and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you, of course. In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never see he who must not be named allowed to post, his skill at worming his way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current signature on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment, I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts! Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!! Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point I only find it humorous nearly as much as the Who's on first? routine). Now, as for ADs I gotta agree with you here, at least to the point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try, myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most, one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week, and some of the better suppliers (such as Adam Mike Farmer to name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious just seeing the seemingly endless posts of I have such and such on eBay over and over and over, and Only a few hours left! etc. I find these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least droll. Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted slightly to limit it to one a month per person - but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every time someone said he aught to the list would long ago transformed into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been. Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said, Democracy is the worst form of government there isexcept every other form of government. So, while this list is not a democracy, it is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is. I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even hours, let alone days) when the meteorite blog was started! So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this way or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find interesting. I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this sentiment when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man, get a grip! Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per month, or
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi, Darren, Brown wanted Persephone, too. But it's taken, years ago, by a MINOR planet. ORCUS, a Greek name for the Afterlife is already taken by another really big KBO, 2000DW. Eurydice? Elysium? Minos? Hades? The Underworld names seems too negative for a happy object. They may all be taken by the 240,000 minor planets, some of whom are named for members of this List. Brown has been searching for years. I'll bet he long ago figured out a good name for the Whopper when he found it. We'll see. Sterling -- Darren Garrison wrote: I suggested Persephone. http://www.newscientistspace.com/channel/solar-system/dn7776 Join the battle of the planet names 12:51 02 August 2005 NewScientist.com news service Sean O'Neill Imagine your excitement if you discovered a new planet. The privilege of suggesting its name would be yours. But what would you call it, and why? We want you to send us your idea and the reason you chose it and we'll let you know the best. But read on if you need inspiration. The person facing the planet-naming conundrum for real is Caltech astronomer Mike Brown. He and his team found our solar systemâs tenth planet, which is larger than Pluto and currently three times farther from the Sun. The new world has been designated 2003 UB313 by the Minor Planet Center, but Brown has already suggested a more catchy name to a 15-member panel at the International Astronomical Union, who will make the final decision. The name in question is currently being kept strictly under wraps. Brown's team had been calling the planet Xena, after TVâs Warrior Princess. But that was our tongue-in-cheek internal name, never intended for public consumption, he admits. Perhaps his newborn daughter, Lilah, has offered further inspiration â Brown's website on the new planet is called www.lilahsplanet.com. Gods and characters from classical mythology have most frequently provided names for solar system worlds, but that need not stifle your creativity. And you may wish to bear in mind these official guidelines: ⢠Names should be pronounceable, non-offensive, 16 characters or less in length and preferably one word ⢠Names should not be too similar to an existing name of a minor planet or natural planetary satellite ⢠Names for persons or events known primarily for their military or political activities are acceptable only after 100 years elapsed since the person died or the event occurred ⢠Names of a purely or principally commercial nature are not allowed ⢠Names of pet animals are discouraged So please send us your proposed name and your reasons for picking it and we will publish the best, whether they be serious, intriguing, or just funny. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts
I have discussed this issue with many people in private at the Tucson show, and came to one conclusion. The vast majority of people on this list prefer the meteorite ads, including eBay ads. Most people, like myself included have little time to search through thousands of daily eBay auctions, so we all like to be reminded when people have large lots or special items are ending. I think that my sales like the one ending tonight are unique opportunities for collectors to acquire large and rare and valuable specimens for low prices. Where else can you find a 7.5 kilo witnessed fall individual started at one cent? I do agree that posts should be for large sales, or unique items. We would quickly be overwhelmed if people started posting every Gao or Canyon Diablo they had up for sale. This is a meteorite list, and it encompasses all parts of meteoritical studies and collecting, including the commercial end of it, for without people like me going all over the world getting these meteorites, there would be precious few to go around. And for me to pay for all those hunting trips (many of which are unsuccessful) I have to sell a large amount meteorites. Now if you are a member of several of the Yahoo meteorite sales lists, and this list, then often you will get several copies of the same sale. You need to remember that you signed up to those lists, and that many people are not all on one list, so I like most, send to each list. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Global Surveyor Images: July 28 - August 3, 2005
MARS GLOBAL SURVEYOR IMAGES July 28 - August 3, 2005 The following new images taken by the Mars Orbiter Camera (MOC) on the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are now available: o South Polar Variety (Released 28 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/28 o Sedimentary Rock Remnants (Released 29 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/29 o Exhuming Craters (Released 30 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/30 o Nilosyrtis Dunes (Released 31 July 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/07/31 o Frozen Carbon Dioxide (Released 01 August 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/08/01 o Mars at Ls 269 Degrees (Released 02 August 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/08/02 o Wind-Eroded Terrain (Released 03 August 2005) http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2005/08/03 All of the Mars Global Surveyor images are archived here: http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/index.html Mars Global Surveyor was launched in November 1996 and has been in Mars orbit since September 1997. It began its primary mapping mission on March 8, 1999. Mars Global Surveyor is the first mission in a long-term program of Mars exploration known as the Mars Surveyor Program that is managed by JPL for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, DC. Malin Space Science Systems (MSSS) and the California Institute of Technology built the MOC using spare hardware from the Mars Observer mission. MSSS operates the camera from its facilities in San Diego, CA. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Mars Surveyor Operations Project operates the Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft with its industrial partner, Lockheed Martin Astronautics, from facilities in Pasadena, CA and Denver, CO. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts
yes but not a AD every minute of the auctions on Ebay, I put e email of ebay auction when start and when ended, here I see many put tons of Ebay AD every day, and is too much this Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I have discussed this issue with many people in private at the Tucson show, and came to one conclusion. The vast majority of people on this list prefer the meteorite ads, including eBay ads. Most people, like myself included have little time to search through thousands of daily eBay auctions, so we all like to be reminded when people have large lots or special items are ending. I think that my sales like the one ending tonight are unique opportunities for collectors to acquire large and rare and valuable specimens for low prices. Where else can you find a 7.5 kilo witnessed fall individual started at one cent? I do agree that posts should be for large sales, or unique items. We would quickly be overwhelmed if people started posting every Gao or Canyon Diablo they had up for sale. This is a meteorite list, and it encompasses all parts of meteoritical studies and collecting, including the commercial end of it, for without people like me going all over the world getting these meteorites, there would be precious few to go around. And for me to pay for all those hunting trips (many of which are unsuccessful) I have to sell a large amount meteorites. Now if you are a member of several of the Yahoo meteorite sales lists, and this list, then often you will get several copies of the same sale. You need to remember that you signed up to those lists, and that many people are not all on one list, so I like most, send to each list. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Planet Definition
Francis, What's wrong with teaching kids the actual facts, even if they aren't readily conducive to pigeon-holing? David Francis Graham wrote: Dear List, One thing is certain. If the IAU doesn't come up with SOME definition of planet, both the number and names of planets will vary from textbook to textbook. Kids won't know what's up. It is not a great moral issue if Pluto is a planet to me or not, although I'd like to see it continue to be and Xena, Quaouar, Sedna thrown in. Heck, Ceres too. But if the ultimate definition excludes these then I am not going to hang myself. It just is important that this issue be resolved before the next textbook editions are printed. Francis Graham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi, Ron, You'll notice that I put quotes around the word rules. Yes, there is no formal definition for a planet. There never has been, only a working understanding of what was meant. There were differences; it has been a topic of discussion. But, there are working rules, by which I mean that one knows what others in the field think and why. The consensus compromise was on Pluto. Yes, it was a planet, but it was too small (debatable) and we don't like it. Among other things, because it didn't fit with the other planets in the scheme of things, compositionally unique. Well, there are enough big KBO's to establish a new class in the scheme of things now, obviously. The refuge for those who didn't like Pluto was that KBO's are all small, iceballs, giant comets, etc., hence not essentially planet-like. The compromise rested on the truth of the small notion. 2003UB313 blows the compromise out of the water. By the given reasoning of those who deny the planethood of KBO's, 2003UB313 qualifies as a planet. What if 2003UB313 turns out to be bigger than Mercury? How do you disqualify it? Darren thinks KBO's have too many volatiles to be a planet. What do you do with Saturn; toss it out too? Ok, Saturn's out, along with the rest of the Jovians. MexicoDoug thinks Jupiter is too big to be a planet; it's a failed brown dwarf. Ok, Jupiter's out. Whoops, already was! By my count, we now have four planets left. No, Mercury's too small. I forget it was out. Make that three. Well, Venus is too hot and Mars is too cold. Gee, I guess there's only ONE planet after all: Earth, the Center of the Universe, Home Sweet Home. Haven't we been here before, about 500 years ago? Truth: there is a population of hundreds or thousands of bodies, some planet sized, in a zone or region of the solar system. They are consistently composed of a comparably even mixture of felsic (and possibly mafic) minerals and abundant cyrogenic minerals. They possess a complex inner dynamic, are known to be capable of vulcanism and likely to additionally possess a wide variety of known and unknown geologic processes. Sounds like planets to me, not just one planet but PLANETS, in the decidedly plural. The Universe is not getting smaller. Really, it isn't. It is not a game, it is just a classification. Truth is the ultimate game. People fight over it. Classification is just what you call a thing, and in science you call it what it IS, so it matters more than anything else. The name determines what you think of it as, how you conceive it. The word stands for the nature of the thing's reality. The unending arguments that consume quantum theory, for example, are because every conceptual identification, or name, is about the reality of REALITY. It matters, believe me. The arguments ARE quantum theory. This case of planets is not as pure an example, but it is important. The reference to classificatory disputes in meteorites is misleading because for a century meteorites taught us more about the universe than you could otherwise observe, but currently and for the past few decades, we have learned more about meteorites from our exploration of space than we could have learned from the rocks themselves. Even so, meteorites are invaluable as a sample return mission, of an informal sort. The trailing, rather than leading, role of meteorite studies is that for all those years, no one looked over LAFAYETTE or NAKAHLA and said, O My God, this sucker's from Mars! I bet somebody thought it, but was far too cautious to say it. If somebody did, it didn't draw much attention. You have to have a certain amount of guts. Gene Shoemaker is a good example: guts, and he was right. Luis Alvarez is another. Opponents used to grumble that he already had a Nobel Prize; he could say anything he wanted. Louis Frank has, and John O'Keefe had, the same guts; are/were they right? Most folk have a totally negative answer to that, but the jury of time may partially modify their opinion, or not, as the truth may be. Brown is engaging in a necessary piece of politics, of advocacy, that's all. So am I in my tiny tiny way, but our hearts are pure :-} You try to influence decision-makers BEFORE they make decisions. True for politicians; true for IAU. The ONLY reason for disqualifying KBO's from EVER being planets is the mistaken notion that they are only comets and can't never be planets no matter how big because of their compositional nature. This is completely irrational. How can you exclude them because they are roughly 50% volatiles when you admit the Jovians, some of which may be ENTIRELY volatiles? Mr. Spock, help me here on this logic thing. Next week's IAU decision is only a momentary thing, always subject to revision. Good old science. In researching KBO's, I found several websites that defined the outer edge of the Kuiper Belt at 52 AU, asserting that no more KBO's would
[meteorite-list] AD - Last One's and Other Great Specimens
Dear List Members, In an effort to bring New, Rare and Interesting meteorites to the meteorite world, I too, run sales every week under my eBay seller name, naturesvault. I usually have something new and rare to offer each week but have relaxed a bit for a few weeks as I have friends visiting over the summer. I will be resuming these rare offerings very soon. Here are some extra special deals I have running on eBay that will end a little later today: NWA 032 Mare Lunar Part Slice 616mg (currently at a VERY low price per gram) (LAST PIECE) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6549372506rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 NWA 1235 Ungrouped Meteorite Fragment 10mg (Almost Out) (Still at Just 99 cents) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6549384824rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 There are many others that are excellent deals so I decided to list just two as to not make this post long winded. To see the rest, click on one of the above links and then click View seller's other items. That, or go to eBay and search for items by seller, naturesvault. There are many still at just 99 cents and others at way below current price levels. Best regards and Thank You for looking and/or bidding, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection naturesvault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Planet Definition
--- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francis, What's wrong with teaching kids the actual facts, even if they aren't readily conducive to pigeon-holing? My old lunar friend Dave brings up something very important. It IS MUCH BETTER to allow students to decide what a planet is in their minds, and teach them that Pluto, Xena, etc. are bodies that orbit the sun, are approximately spherical, and are different from Earth, Venus, Mercury, Mars because they are largely made of ices and not rocky, and different from Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune because they do not have colossal hydrogen atmospheres. This would be the better approach, much, much more informative. But we all know what will really happen. Test item on state-mandated proficiency test: How many planets are there in the solar system? a. 9 b. 10 c. 14 d.8 One right answer. Such would be neither in the spirit of science or scientific. But: state-mandated. So Dave, I know where you heart is. Francis Graham __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi, Ron, You'll notice that I put quotes around the word rules. You also referred to is a game, which is not. Any classification scheme can be revised - and in fact, should be allowed to be revised when new data presents itself. Yes, there is no formal definition for a planet. There never has been, only a working understanding of what was meant. There were differences; it has been a topic of discussion. But, there are working rules, by which I mean that one knows what others in the field think and why. The 'working rules' varied depending on who you talked to. Thus the need for a formal definition. Next week's IAU decision is only a momentary thing, always subject to revision. The IAU decision will be first formal definition of a planet. As I mentioned before, any classification scheme can and should be revised as needed. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What to name Planet X
Hi All, How 'bout planet Bumble, after the term of endearment for the Abominable Snow Monster from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? ;-) --R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi, Darren, Brown wanted Persephone, too. But it's taken, years ago, by a MINOR planet. ORCUS, a Greek name for the Afterlife is already taken by another really big KBO, 2000DW. Eurydice? Elysium? Minos? Hades? The Underworld names seems too negative for a happy object. They may all be taken by the 240,000 minor planets, some of whom are named for members of this List. Brown has been searching for years. I'll bet he long ago figured out a good name for the Whopper when he found it. We'll see. Sterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi Darren, I suggested Mianus for it's comical value and Revolution #9 because Pluto's not really a planet and The Beatles deserve it. Best Regards, Mike Reynolds IMCA#8127 Message: 6 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:57:54 -0400 From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I suggested Persephone. http://www.newscientistspace.com/channel/solar-system/dn7776 Join the battle of the planet names 12:51 02 August 2005 NewScientist.com news service Sean O'Neill Imagine your excitement if you discovered a new planet. The privilege of suggesting its name would be yours. But what would you call it, and why? We want you to send us your idea and the reason you chose it and we'll let you know the best. But read on if you need inspiration. The person facing the planet-naming conundrum for real is Caltech astronomer Mike Brown. He and his team found our solar systemâs tenth planet, which is larger than Pluto and currently three times farther from the Sun. The new world has been designated 2003 UB313 by the Minor Planet Center, but Brown has already suggested a more catchy name to a 15-member panel at the International Astronomical Union, who will make the final decision. The name in question is currently being kept strictly under wraps. Brown's team had been calling the planet Xena, after TVâs Warrior Princess. But that was our tongue-in-cheek internal name, never intended for public consumption, he admits. Perhaps his newborn daughter, Lilah, has offered further inspiration â Brown's website on the new planet is called www.lilahsplanet.com. Gods and characters from classical mythology have most frequently provided names for solar system worlds, but that need not stifle your creativity. And you may wish to bear in mind these official guidelines: ⢠Names should be pronounceable, non-offensive, 16 characters or less in length and preferably one word ⢠Names should not be too similar to an existing name of a minor planet or natural planetary satellite ⢠Names for persons or events known primarily for their military or political activities are acceptable only after 100 years elapsed since the person died or the event occurred ⢠Names of a purely or principally commercial nature are not allowed ⢠Names of pet animals are discouraged So please send us your proposed name and your reasons for picking it and we will publish the best, whether they be serious, intriguing, or just funny. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
Hi List , All of the ebay adds, last chance, reminders, relay stink . The list should get back to new meteorites and meteorite hunting stories . I stand with Dave and John . Sonny -Original Message- From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:56:36 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you! Dave and List, I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem. A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of my own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List. What I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus on meteorites and get rid of all of the AD posts including all of the reminders about Ebay auctions along with all of the other off topic posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I did early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a stand towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual offender would be a good start. Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list the way it is? Regards, JKGwilliam At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote: Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts
Hello List, Mike Farmer makes a lot of good points in his email below. I would add that the Ad posts could be looked upon as sort of a heads-up for some great items a lot of the time. If any member personally doesn't want to take the time to open an Ad, it takes about, what, 1/2- 1 second to delete it? So I hope that the relatively few people who don't like the Ads will remember that there are a lot of us that do. Some of the best photos of meteorites to be found on the internet can be seen in some of these ads. That alone is enough to justify them, in my opinion. When I posted to the List earlier today that I agreed with Michael Blood's post, I SPECIFICALLY meant the parts about Art doing a good job, and that I personally don't understand people leaving the list because of ONE person's action of posting MULTIPLE times/day. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have discussed this issue with many people in private at the Tucson show, and came to one conclusion. The vast majority of people on this list prefer the meteorite ads, including eBay ads. Most people, like myself included have little time to search through thousands of daily eBay auctions, so we all like to be reminded when people have large lots or special items are ending. I think that my sales like the one ending tonight are unique opportunities for collectors to acquire large and rare and valuable specimens for low prices. Where else can you find a 7.5 kilo witnessed fall individual started at one cent? I do agree that posts should be for large sales, or unique items. We would quickly be overwhelmed if people started posting every Gao or Canyon Diablo they had up for sale. This is a meteorite list, and it encompasses all parts of meteoritical studies and collecting, including the commercial end of it, for without people like me going all over the world getting these meteorites, there would be precious few to go around. And for me to pay for all those hunting trips (many of which are unsuccessful) I have to sell a large amount meteorites. Now if you are a member of several of the Yahoo meteorite sales lists, and this list, then often you will get several copies of the same sale. You need to remember that you signed up to those lists, and that many people are not all on one list, so I like most, send to each list. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Italian iron?
Hello Listoids, Help me out here!! A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron?? For now i just can't think of what this one can be. All i can imagine that Irons from Italy are rare and only available in small fragments. He told me he got it from an (for me unknown)mineral dealer here in Holland for very cheap. (The piece looks more very much like a new Campo to me) True or not true? Anyone with the same doubts as me? Aloha from Holland, Jan www.heavenlybodies.nl METEORITES Close encounters of the best kind __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
Jan wrote: A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because there are only 860 grams and the main mass weighs 479 grams. Any comments? ... Matteo? Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
Hello The unique italian iron meteorites its Bagnone - all in museum - Barbianello - few pieces in the market - Umbria ( no official name ) - in my hands in analysis - Masua and not others now, probably this is a new italian iron not analyzed but your friend have to take informations from the seller where have take this material. matteo --- Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello Listoids, Help me out here!! A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron?? For now i just can't think of what this one can be. All i can imagine that Irons from Italy are rare and only available in small fragments. He told me he got it from an (for me unknown)mineral dealer here in Holland for very cheap. (The piece looks more very much like a new Campo to me) True or not true? Anyone with the same doubts as me? Aloha from Holland, Jan www.heavenlybodies.nl METEORITES Close encounters of the best kind __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
The main mass of Barbianello its in Milan Museum and few pieces its available - I have a piece in my collection traded from a University and I know of another piece sold outside Italy Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Jan wrote: A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because there are only 860 grams and the main mass weighs 479 grams. Any comments? ... Matteo? Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What to name Planet X
Hi Rob, Yea, that's the one! He got his teeth removed by the wanna-be dentist elf. I forgot the elph's name, but a moon could certainly be named after him. Good choice. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Sterling K. Webb' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What to name Planet X Hi All, How 'bout planet Bumble, after the term of endearment for the Abominable Snow Monster from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? ;-) --R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi, Darren, Brown wanted Persephone, too. But it's taken, years ago, by a MINOR planet. ORCUS, a Greek name for the Afterlife is already taken by another really big KBO, 2000DW. Eurydice? Elysium? Minos? Hades? The Underworld names seems too negative for a happy object. They may all be taken by the 240,000 minor planets, some of whom are named for members of this List. Brown has been searching for years. I'll bet he long ago figured out a good name for the Whopper when he found it. We'll see. Sterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Moon May Hold Earth's Ancient Secrets
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/moon_earth_020723.html Moon Holds Earth's Ancient Secrets By Robert Roy Britt Senior Science Writer posted: 07:00 am ET 23 July 2002 Tons of rocks and dust long ago blasted from Earth by asteroid impacts lay on the Moon's surface and could hold secrets to our home planet's early history and the origin of life. John Armstrong sees the Moon as Earth's attic, and he figures we should go back and fetch some of the valuable goods stored there. The information is not available anywhere else, he and other astronomers agree. Armstrong, of the University of Washington in Seattle, led a new study that concludes the Moon ought to be littered with terrestrial debris -- some 11,000 pounds within a few inches of the surface of every square lunar mile. He told SPACE.com that retrieving some of it would be the quickest and least expensive way to learn more about the solar system. We are talking about finding material from the very early Earth, Armstrong explained. Samples of the Earth 3.9 to 4.0 billion years ago could tell us a lot about the state of the early atmosphere, what the crust and surface were like, and possibly even when life began to evolve. Images: A close-up view of Apollo 15 lunar sample no. 15415 in the Lunar Receiving Laboratory (LRL): http://www.space.com/images/moon_sample_020723_02,0.jpg Astronauts David R. Scott, right, commander of the Apollo 15 mission, gets a close look at the sample referred to as the genesis rock in the Lunar Receiving Laboratory. Scientist-Astronaut Joseph P. Allen, left, looks on: http://www.space.com/images/moon_rock_020723_02.jpg There might also be Venusian rocks on the Moon, say Armstrong and his colleagues, Llyd Wells of the University of Washington and Iowa State University's Guillermo Gonzalez. No rock from Venus has ever been found, nor is it likely that any will ever be retrieved from its toasty surface. Gathering one up would likely reveal a wealth of information about Venus, astronomers say. A paper detailing the study will be published later this year in the journal Icarus. Late Heavy Bombardment No one has set foot on the Moon since 1972, the end of an era of exploration in which Apollo astronauts brought back 842 pounds (382 kilograms) of material from the lunar surface. Among the more important things learned from the lunar dust and rock is that unlike here on Earth, the stuff on the surface of the Moon is incredibly old, a record of what was going on in this neck of the solar system some 4 billion years ago, just a few hundred million years after the solar system formed. Earth's surface is continually recycled, folded deep inside the planet by the same forces that generate earthquakes and volcanoes. The Moon, on the other hand, has almost none of this tectonic activity. Scientists already knew that rocks from Mars have been blasted into space and ended up on Earth. They have found some. However, few researchers have seriously looked into the same scenario for terrestrial rock being booted to the Moon. Armstrong and his colleagues realized that this transfer of material should have occurred at a frenzied pace up until about 3.8 billion years ago, when a period called the Late Heavy Bombardment is thought to have ended. No material of this sort has ever been identified, however, and in fact the extent and timing of the bombardment itself is not known with certainty. The bulk of terrestrial rock that's been shot to the Moon would likely be pebble-sized or dust, having been pulverized by the initial impact. However, there is a chance that larger rocks survived the trip, Armstrong said. A mission to gather material would be tricky. A robotic rover could sift lunar dust and analyze its chemistry, hunting for stuff diluted to just seven parts per million. Because the Moon is mostly dry, the robot would look for water-bearing minerals. Also, asteroids that have hit the Moon on their own would litter it with material high in water and metal, so the robot would have to look for wet stuff that's low in metals -- and possibly from Earth. Armstrong said finding larger terrestrial rocks on the Moon would be harder and likely require sending humans. Back to the Moon Researchers know that getting back to the Moon is a tough sell these days. It is commonly held that we've already sort of 'done' the Moon, Armstrong points out. However, science was not the main driver of the Apollo mission, and we have so much left to learn. He said a lot of planetary science is based on knowledge gleaned from Apollo missions. This [new study] gives us a compelling reason to go back -- to look at the Moon as a window to early Earth, he said. But going to the Moon is the fastest and cheapest way to learn more about our solar system. Finding stuff on the Moon that came from Earth would also verify the whole premise of the new study, Armstrong said. This would allow researchers to accurately date the period of
[meteorite-list] Wanted-AD: Nantans
Hi list, is this kind of posts also to mark with AD? A client of mine is looking for cleaned, shiny-shiny silvery Nantans: 500g of minute chips of 1.5mm - 2.5mm size 750g of fragments of 2-4 grams. Please contact me, if you have such stuff for sale (I never sold Nantans). Thanks Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Hi, All First, the definition of a planet. As for the lack of a formal definition of what is a planet, the IAU website says: Definition of a Planet: The IAU notes the very rapid pace of discovery of bodies within the Solar system over the last decade and so our understanding of the Trans-Neptunian Region is therefore still evolving very rapidly. This is in serious contrast to the situation when Pluto was discovered. As a consequence, The IAU has established a Working Group to consider the definition of a minimum size for a Planet. Until the report of this Working Group is received, all objects discovered at a distance from the Sun greater than 40 AU will continue to be regarded as part of the Trans-Neptunian population. You will note that it says, the definition of a MINIMUM SIZE for a Planet, demonstrating that the understanding about size was NOT informal. Size was the issue for the IAU. The Working Group was not scheduled to decide until NEXT summer. The 1999 denial by the IAU that it was considering demoting Pluto it a minor planet can be found at: http://www.iau.org/IAU/FAQ/PlutoPR.html It says: Ways to classify planets by physical characteristics are also under consideration, so they've been working on a definition for six years now. ONE WEEK? Maybe they were already finished considering? It also says: It is therefore the policy of the IAU that its recommendations should rest on well-established scientific facts and be backed by a broad consensus in the community concerned. Do you feel that the IAU can determine the broad consensus in the community about the status of 2003UB313 in ONE WEEK? Of course, they may be responding quickly only because they AGREE with Brown and are only waiting a week to see if anybody raises an objection they didn't think of. But my guess is that the reason that Brown changed so dramatically to pushing the PLANET is that he got the scuttlebutt that they were going to go negative. Scientists are gossips, like all humans. WHAT ARE THESE KBO's ANYWAY? OR, MORE THAN YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE OUTER SOLAR SYSTEM! As of May, 2004, there were 887 KBO's known. The number is certain to exceed 1000 soon. Some basic facts. The Kuiper Belt is believed to extend from Pluto out to 200 AU, or nearly 20 billion miles out. Many KBO's, discovered early, have Minor Planet numbers and are officially counted as asteroids. There are families of KBO's with similar orbits, like asteroids. (Another reason for not calling them planets.) There are the Plutinos, with distances of about 39 AU, and this includes Pluto itself. They are trapped in the 2:3 resonance with the mean motion of Neptune and often cross the orbit of the planet near their perihelia, but never approaching the planet itself. Pluto is the biggest Plutino and second is 2000DW (now ORCUS); it is at least as large as QUOAOR and probably larger. There are the Classical Cubewanos, also named CKBOs (Classical Kuiper Belt Objects) by Jewitt, occupies a region comprising between a = 40 to 47 AU. The Cubewanos do not intersect the orbit of Neptune and have low eccentricities and inclinations. They are in a very gravitationally-stable part of the Solar System. (5) Quaoar is the largest TNO presently found in the CKBO belt. There are a third group of TNO's (Trans-Neptunian Objects, another name for KBO's) having high eccentricity with a semi-major axis located beyond 50 AU, has now been found. This is the SDO (Scattered Disk Objects) with perihelia less than or close to 40 AU and subject to the influence of Neptune. The origin of this group seems to have been through the external migration of Neptune at the beginning of the Solar System. The orbits of SDOs would have become very elliptical. However, a search for small TNOs carried out with the Hubble telescope found only 3 small TNOs of 25 to 45 km in diameter (mag 26 to 28), when 60 small TNOs were expected in the studied zone. This lack of small TNOs has not yet been explained. If Hubble HAD LOOKED IN THE RIGHT PLACE, it would have found 2003UB313 and 2003EL61 easily, as they are 13,000 times brighter than what was mentioned! One estimate dating from 2000 put forward the possible existence of 800 million [KBO] objects greater than 5 km in diameter. The estimates for the total mass of KBO's is very small -- 1/10th of an Earth mass for the entire Belt. The discovery of larger and larger KBO's is eating up that mass estimate like a pig. There will almost certainly be more mass than that there. One study of the Pioneer anomaly says it proves that there is more mass than that in the Kuiper Belt, and the study was ignored. Maybe it shouldn't be ignored. The existence of families, the eccentric orbits, the numerous small objects, the existence of small binary KBO's, all remind astronomers of the asteroids, of course, and they have tended to regard the
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
Thanks so far Bernd and Matteo, It was also hard to imagine for me there was one avalable this size!! I guess he just got himself a fake Italian but stillit's a real piece of spacejunk alright for little money, so still a good deal i think!! Thanks you guys Jan Jan wrote: A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because there are only 860 grams and the main mass weighs 479 grams. Any comments? ... Matteo? Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
But its confirmed is a meteorite.any information where have buy etc...? Matteo --- Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Thanks so far Bernd and Matteo, It was also hard to imagine for me there was one avalable this size!! I guess he just got himself a fake Italian but stillit's a real piece of spacejunk alright for little money, so still a good deal i think!! Thanks you guys Jan Jan wrote: A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because there are only 860 grams and the main mass weighs 479 grams. Any comments? ... Matteo? Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
Hi, All, Brian Marsden, in the article below: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050802_planet_definition.html is quoted as saying if the Stern definition of a planet were used (everything spherical that goes 'round its star and doesn't fusion inside), we'd have 24 planets. Marsden himself says, The only sensible solution is to accept that the solar system contains the eight planets known a century or so ago, Marsden said via email, and to add new members only if they are larger than, say, Mars -- or maybe even the Earth. Of course, this way, Marsden, who's is charge of Minor Planets gets to keep'em and add Pluto to his collection. Stern says of the Kuiper Belt, It's really a revolution, says Alan Stern of the Southwest Research Institute. We are finding out just how quaint our view of the solar system was. My definition (everything spherical and bigger than Ceres that goes around the sun), by excluding the four large minor planets, would give us 20 planets. As for students and degree of difficulty, what makes you think high school students learn ANYTHING anyway? Stern is on that IAU committee defining a planet, BTW. The IAU and astronomy generally have a dilemma, though. How can you say that the massive 2003UB313 is NOT a planet when the smaller Pluto IS? However, we've got time. It will be a while before we get out there and have to found the Chamber of Commerce and name the MacDonalds on SEDNA or QUOAOR... A little bar down by the spaceport, The Inn of the 37 Planets, or call a subdivision 10th Planet Estates! What if nobody wants to LIVE on the 13th Planet? A lot of old office buildings DON'T HAVE a 13th floor... 11, 12, 14, 15, 16... Sterling Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What to name Planet X (OT)
Hola Rob and list, Planet X was already named Pluto! This has to be at least Planet Y:) After considerable thought, I've decided to nickname the new planet the Mushroom Planet. Likewise, my scientific one word name shall be Basidium, if Basidium-X isn't politically correct with the hyphen. If others' choose not to follow, all the better. My mind is made up. The Mushroom Planet was the 10th planet observed only by a special filter designed by Mr. Bass - and he knew where to look back in 1954. A short explanation: Canadian-born Californian Eleanor Cameron's (1912 - 1996) wonderful children's adventure novel The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet, and its sequels in the 1950's captured the excitement of the discovery of Pluto as she herself was a teenager, the sudden focus on space travel in her 40's as she wrote the books, and the imagination, creativity and enthusiasm of kids from the 1950's to at least the late 1960's as they secretly beat Sputnik and Mercury years before JFK was president. Dave - with whom I could so well identify (and Cameron's only son in reality) - and his friend Chuck, with the help of an enigmatic astronomer who was a first rate engineer, not to mention their Uncle's with parts from the junk yard to build the rocket fulfilled dreams of a generation at the leading edge of the present discovery. By the way Sterling, you have overlooked one little detail. The classes' of planets nomenclature ought to be after the largest member of their group (e.g., Terra = Terrestrial Earth is largest; Jupiter = Jovian Jupiter is largest). So instead of Plutonian we will have the Xenanians...or some other similar periodic table of the elements sounding name. As others have pointed out, finding a name for this new Xenanian, or in my case, Basidomycetes order (fungi) of planets is difficult. Perfect! Fungi are not plan(e)ts for some and Basidium doesn't have to be a planet, except for keyboard-challenged listmembers. I think I'll just go on naming all the new discoveries after different fungi (mushrooms, puffballs, smuts, rusts and toadstools) since they like damp, cool places, low-light environments where people don't usually venture and frequently are ignorant even exist. That sums it up, I think. This naming of modern discoveries with ancient or medieval dieties is getting out of hand IMHO, what's next Tlaloc? Krisna? Jesus? Mohammed? Gautama? This IS a name game of a political nature of sorts, not childsplay by any means as some would suggest anything to do with a let's go out and play game. There is weak scientific classification need, if that. That's mostly why it hasn't been addressed before - not because the IAU has supplanted popular language, common sense and Oxford, Noah Webster, and Random House. And we are seeing game-theory and manuvering at its best by the mostly irrelevant scientific taxonomic community experts on planets, and others who have decided that a new planet is or isn't possible because we either do or don't allready know 'em all. As if calling Basidium a planet or not really is a relevant scientific question with the menagerie we already have out there! Basidium (Xena, tastes great, less filling, you can call me...) is a planet if its discoverer wants to call it so (who is more qualified than the guy that found it). It can be estimated to have about same surface area as Russia and Canada (the two largest countries), added together - and much, much, much more than the USA including Alaska. It is thought to be 56% the diameter of Mercury which means it would have about one third the surface area of Mercury. (And a bit over 5% the area of Earth). Mercury itself is 38% the diameter of Earth, so drawing the line between Mercury and Earth is much more logical and justified than between Mercury and Basidium... Saludos, Doug PS if the discoverer considers Basidium isn't a planet, that is his right, too, though it would introduce an inconsistency with Pluto and completely pull the lid off the can of worms. En un mensaje con fecha 08/03/2005 2:28:35 PM Mexico Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Hi All, How 'bout planet Bumble, after the term of endearment for the Abominable Snow Monster from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer? ;-) --R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi, Darren, Brown wanted Persephone, too. But it's taken, years ago, by a MINOR planet. ORCUS, a Greek name for the Afterlife is already taken by another really big KBO, 2000DW. Eurydice? Elysium? Minos? Hades? The Underworld names seems too negative for a happy object. They may all be taken by the 240,000 minor planets, some of whom are named for members
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
Yup...it's a true meteorite alright but for me it just looks like a (new)Campo. He bought it from an unknown mineral dealer who doesn't know to much about meteorites. Chiao!! Jan But its confirmed is a meteorite.any information where have buy etc...? Matteo --- Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Thanks so far Bernd and Matteo, It was also hard to imagine for me there was one avalable this size!! I guess he just got himself a fake Italian but stillit's a real piece of spacejunk alright for little money, so still a good deal i think!! Thanks you guys Jan Jan wrote: A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because there are only 860 grams and the main mass weighs 479 grams. Any comments? ... Matteo? Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron?
If you have received this month's Meteorite Magazine, there is an article in there about John Wasson, and he says that he often receives pieces of campo from people who swear they found it themselves. I would be extremely skeptical until you get it cut and etched, then classified. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Italian iron? Yup...it's a true meteorite alright but for me it just looks like a (new)Campo. He bought it from an unknown mineral dealer who doesn't know to much about meteorites. Chiao!! Jan But its confirmed is a meteorite.any information where have buy etc...? Matteo --- Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Thanks so far Bernd and Matteo, It was also hard to imagine for me there was one avalable this size!! I guess he just got himself a fake Italian but stillit's a real piece of spacejunk alright for little money, so still a good deal i think!! Thanks you guys Jan Jan wrote: A friend of mine came up to me today with the story he bought a 450 grams Italian iron I wonder whether it's a piece of the Barbianello, unusually Ni-rich, ungrouped ataxitic IAB-IIICD iron - *very* unlikely though but who knows. Unlikely because there are only 860 grams and the main mass weighs 479 grams. Any comments? ... Matteo? Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
Brian Marsden, in the article below: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050802_planet_definition.html is quoted as saying if the Stern definition of a planet were used (everything spherical that goes 'round its star and doesn't fusion inside), we'd have 24 planets. Marsden himself says, The only sensible solution is to accept that the solar system contains the eight planets known a century or so ago, Marsden said via email, and to add new members only if they are larger than, say, Mars -- or maybe even the Earth. It will be interesting to see what the IAU finally decides upon. I personally think the definition should take into account the size and orbit, and the object should be relatively unique. My definition (everything spherical and bigger than Ceres that goes around the sun), by excluding the four large minor planets, would give us 20 planets. My personal opinion is that the asteroids in the main asteroid belt are not major planets. They can be easily excluded with a minimum size specification. The IAU and astronomy generally have a dilemma, though. How can you say that the massive 2003UB313 is NOT a planet when the smaller Pluto IS? I can think of two ways. I think the object orbit's should be a factor in defining a planet. 2003 UB313 is inclined at 44 degrees, so if you exclude object above 20 degrees inclination, then Pluto would be in and 2003 UB313 is out. Another way is just make Pluto an exception to the rule, and have it retain its planetary status. We have precedences for this. A platypus lays eggs, but is still considered a mammal. Europa and Asia are considered separate continents even though they are a single combined land mass. Incidently, if you demote Pluto from being a planet, then the definition for a planet becomes much easier. If you include Pluto as a planet, then the definition is going to get more complicated. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
Ron B. wrote: Incidently, if you demote Pluto from being a planet, then the definition for a planet becomes much easier. If you include Pluto as a planet, then the definition is going to get more complicated. Complicated it can be, not dumbed down, with or without Pluto. Arbitrary numerical criteria are useless to science in the long run whether they be 9 units, 20 degrees or 3025 miles. They are more like taxing authorities saying...if you own more than 20% of the company's stock, you must make special declarations. That is a foolish angle for the IAU to put itself in, and more typical of the thinking of mediocre government employees or bureacrats looking to reduce their workloads (not that we aren't all guilty at times). My personal thoughts of a planet rely on a permanent atmosphere or proven or potential geological process (major igneous activity, liberally considered) basis and prime orbit about the Sun. If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a 25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet? Perhaps my definition even excludes Pluto by not for a senseless inclination cutoff, especially after its hypothetical encounter with Neptune sent it there, or perhaps not. Vesta is always as bright or brighter than Neptune, and occasionally trumps Uranus, so something is out of wack here...the ancients would have called Vesta a wanderer if they didn't carelessly overlook documenting it. (It owes that brightness to 'geo'logical processes, namely the reflectivity of eucrite.) If Earth were catapulted into the Kuiper Belt would it cease being a planet? Wait until an Earth sized ball is found out there...How about Differentiated Planets, Gaseous Planets, and Frozen Planets to replace the inner and outer planets? Remember - for minor planets, a comet for all practical purposes becomes an asteroid - but it is still a minor planet, under current use... Kids can still memorize the Inner, Gaseous and Pluto (because Pluto is sometimes closer than Neptune, a very very important criterion from an earthly viewpoint of numbering successively the billiard balls starting with the bright white cue, and all you have to do is say the first 9 planets out..) Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
And one other way... they can simply refuse to define planet at all, since there is no need to do so. But that would be too simple. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS? The IAU and astronomy generally have a dilemma, though. How can you say that the massive 2003UB313 is NOT a planet when the smaller Pluto IS? I can think of two ways. I think the object orbit's should be a factor in defining a planet. 2003 UB313 is inclined at 44 degrees, so if you exclude object above 20 degrees inclination, then Pluto would be in and 2003 UB313 is out. Another way is just make Pluto an exception to the rule, and have it retain its planetary status. We have precedences for this. A platypus lays eggs, but is still considered a mammal. Europa and Asia are considered separate continents even though they are a single combined land mass. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
Any classification scheme can be revised - and in fact, should be allowed to be revised when new data presents itself. If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a 25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet? No. The classification scheme will be revised to accomodate any new data. If Earth were catapulted into the Kuiper Belt would it cease being a planet? If that were to happen, then quite frankly, it really wouldn't matter at that point, would it? :-) Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:14:22 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Earth were catapulted into the Kuiper Belt would it cease being a planet? An even better question (IMHO) is-- if a KBO were to be brought in to 1 AU, would it still be concidered a planet? What about a few years later when half (give or take) of it had sublimated away and left nothing but a ring of rubble? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
Doug, Sterling, and all you other amazing brains, (Deity or planetary name of your choice), it's good to to listen to you guys with IQs in the clouds. Some people do word-searches or crosswords to exercize their brains. For some of us, it's the MetList. Thanks (and Garcias to you, Doug---) Norm http://tektitesource.com --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ron B. wrote: Incidently, if you demote Pluto from being a planet, then the definition for a planet becomes much easier. If you include Pluto as a planet, then the definition is going to get more complicated. Complicated it can be, not dumbed down, with or without Pluto. Arbitrary numerical criteria are useless to science in the long run whether they be 9 units, 20 degrees or 3025 miles. They are more like taxing authorities saying...if you own more than 20% of the company's stock, you must make special declarations. That is a foolish angle for the IAU to put itself in, and more typical of the thinking of mediocre government employees or bureacrats looking to reduce their workloads (not that we aren't all guilty at times). My personal thoughts of a planet rely on a permanent atmosphere or proven or potential geological process (major igneous activity, liberally considered) basis and prime orbit about the Sun. If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a 25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet? Perhaps my definition even excludes Pluto by not for a senseless inclination cutoff, especially after its hypothetical encounter with Neptune sent it there, or perhaps not. Vesta is always as bright or brighter than Neptune, and occasionally trumps Uranus, so something is out of wack here...the ancients would have called Vesta a wanderer if they didn't carelessly overlook documenting it. (It owes that brightness to 'geo'logical processes, namely the reflectivity of eucrite.) If Earth were catapulted into the Kuiper Belt would it cease being a planet? Wait until an Earth sized ball is found out there...How about Differentiated Planets, Gaseous Planets, and Frozen Planets to replace the inner and outer planets? Remember - for minor planets, a comet for all practical purposes becomes an asteroid - but it is still a minor planet, under current use... Kids can still memorize the Inner, Gaseous and Pluto (because Pluto is sometimes closer than Neptune, a very very important criterion from an earthly viewpoint of numbering successively the billiard balls starting with the bright white cue, and all you have to do is say the first 9 planets out..) Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
Darren G. wrote: if a KBO were to be brought in to 1 AU, would it still be concidered a planet? What about a few years later when half (give or take) of it had sublimated away and left nothing but a ring of rubble? Great balls of Fire! Meteorite heaven and a lot of new iridium stratigraphy to work out, though Ron might not be as upbeat about the whole proposition worrying about finding some high ground to store his meteorites just before the potential for another great terrestrial deluge:) Darren, if we swapped Uranus with Earth something similar to what you envision might happen to Uranus at 1 AU as well...though your point is a good one to mull over... PS I got a private message complaining that having an atmosphere was too subjective a criterion to define a planet. I agree, bad choice. The revised definition is or its atmosphere gives rise to visible meteors when colliding with cometary dust. I.e., there is something for meteor observers and meteorite hunters to do. Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:12:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, if we swapped Uranus with Earth something similar to what you envision might happen to Uranus at 1 AU as well...though your point is a good one to mull over... I haven't done the math on it (and to be honest, would have to do a bit of brushing up before I COULD do the math) but I was thinking that the Jovans had enough gravity to hold their atmospheres even at 1 AU temperatures. Think about all of those hot Jupiters discovered over the past few years. Anyone know the mass limit for a Jovan to keep it's volitiles? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! AD OT, OT AD.
An ingrown toenail??? Our problem is more like a goiter that needs lanced. Art...do you need a scalpel? http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/search.aspx?q=goiters Dave A, I just may be right behind ya. JD -- Original message from Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi Captain, John, Sterling, perhaps John wanted to express that what, I guess, Laotse said: An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg. Planet Buckleboo - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: Sterling K. Webb ; Meteorite List Cc: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! ; DNAndrews Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! John, Sterling and all, John, first I would like to mention that I am selective in reading what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with AD and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you, of course. In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never see he who must not be named allowed to post, his skill at worming his way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current signature on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment, I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts! Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!! Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point I only find it humorous nearly as much as the Who's on first? routine). Now, as for ADs I gotta agree with you here, at least to the point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try, myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most, one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week, and some of the better suppliers (such as Adam Mike Farmer to name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious just seeing the seemingly endless posts of I have such and such on eBay over and over and over, and Only a few hours left! etc. I find these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least droll. Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted slightly to limit it to one a month per person - but all all, the bottom line is Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every time someone said he aught to the list would long ago transformed into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been. Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said, Democracy is the worst form of government there isexcept every other form of government. So, while this list is not a democracy, it is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is. I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even hours, let alone days) when the meteorite blog was started! So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this way or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find interesting. I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this sentiment when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or use obscenity
Re: [meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts
Thank you Michael, I often look forward to your and other List member ads. Were It not for you and guys like you I'd have precious little in the way of Ites that I had confidence in. When I'm poor or not in the mood I just delete. Jerry Flaherty PS I thought the commercial end of the List was foremost in its inception but then I'm a relative newbe. - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 1:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts I have discussed this issue with many people in private at the Tucson show, and came to one conclusion. The vast majority of people on this list prefer the meteorite ads, including eBay ads. Most people, like myself included have little time to search through thousands of daily eBay auctions, so we all like to be reminded when people have large lots or special items are ending. I think that my sales like the one ending tonight are unique opportunities for collectors to acquire large and rare and valuable specimens for low prices. Where else can you find a 7.5 kilo witnessed fall individual started at one cent? I do agree that posts should be for large sales, or unique items. We would quickly be overwhelmed if people started posting every Gao or Canyon Diablo they had up for sale. This is a meteorite list, and it encompasses all parts of meteoritical studies and collecting, including the commercial end of it, for without people like me going all over the world getting these meteorites, there would be precious few to go around. And for me to pay for all those hunting trips (many of which are unsuccessful) I have to sell a large amount meteorites. Now if you are a member of several of the Yahoo meteorite sales lists, and this list, then often you will get several copies of the same sale. You need to remember that you signed up to those lists, and that many people are not all on one list, so I like most, send to each list. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Taza
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
Gee, I guess there's only ONE planet. yipee I made it to the right one, whissu! that was close. - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi, Ron, You'll notice that I put quotes around the word rules. Yes, there is no formal definition for a planet. There never has been, only a working understanding of what was meant. There were differences; it has been a topic of discussion. But, there are working rules, by which I mean that one knows what others in the field think and why. The consensus compromise was on Pluto. Yes, it was a planet, but it was too small (debatable) and we don't like it. Among other things, because it didn't fit with the other planets in the scheme of things, compositionally unique. Well, there are enough big KBO's to establish a new class in the scheme of things now, obviously. The refuge for those who didn't like Pluto was that KBO's are all small, iceballs, giant comets, etc., hence not essentially planet-like. The compromise rested on the truth of the small notion. 2003UB313 blows the compromise out of the water. By the given reasoning of those who deny the planethood of KBO's, 2003UB313 qualifies as a planet. What if 2003UB313 turns out to be bigger than Mercury? How do you disqualify it? Darren thinks KBO's have too many volatiles to be a planet. What do you do with Saturn; toss it out too? Ok, Saturn's out, along with the rest of the Jovians. MexicoDoug thinks Jupiter is too big to be a planet; it's a failed brown dwarf. Ok, Jupiter's out. Whoops, already was! By my count, we now have four planets left. No, Mercury's too small. I forget it was out. Make that three. Well, Venus is too hot and Mars is too cold. Gee, I guess there's only ONE planet after all: Earth, the Center of the Universe, Home Sweet Home. Haven't we been here before, about 500 years ago? Truth: there is a population of hundreds or thousands of bodies, some planet sized, in a zone or region of the solar system. They are consistently composed of a comparably even mixture of felsic (and possibly mafic) minerals and abundant cyrogenic minerals. They possess a complex inner dynamic, are known to be capable of vulcanism and likely to additionally possess a wide variety of known and unknown geologic processes. Sounds like planets to me, not just one planet but PLANETS, in the decidedly plural. The Universe is not getting smaller. Really, it isn't. It is not a game, it is just a classification. Truth is the ultimate game. People fight over it. Classification is just what you call a thing, and in science you call it what it IS, so it matters more than anything else. The name determines what you think of it as, how you conceive it. The word stands for the nature of the thing's reality. The unending arguments that consume quantum theory, for example, are because every conceptual identification, or name, is about the reality of REALITY. It matters, believe me. The arguments ARE quantum theory. This case of planets is not as pure an example, but it is important. The reference to classificatory disputes in meteorites is misleading because for a century meteorites taught us more about the universe than you could otherwise observe, but currently and for the past few decades, we have learned more about meteorites from our exploration of space than we could have learned from the rocks themselves. Even so, meteorites are invaluable as a sample return mission, of an informal sort. The trailing, rather than leading, role of meteorite studies is that for all those years, no one looked over LAFAYETTE or NAKAHLA and said, O My God, this sucker's from Mars! I bet somebody thought it, but was far too cautious to say it. If somebody did, it didn't draw much attention. You have to have a certain amount of guts. Gene Shoemaker is a good example: guts, and he was right. Luis Alvarez is another. Opponents used to grumble that he already had a Nobel Prize; he could say anything he wanted. Louis Frank has, and John O'Keefe had, the same guts; are/were they right? Most folk have a totally negative answer to that, but the jury of time may partially modify their opinion, or not, as the truth may be. Brown is engaging in a necessary piece of politics, of advocacy, that's all. So am I in my tiny tiny way, but our hearts are pure :-} You try to influence decision-makers BEFORE they make decisions. True for politicians; true for IAU. The ONLY reason for disqualifying KBO's from EVER being planets is the mistaken notion that they are only comets and can't never be planets no matter how big because of their
Re: [meteorite-list] Planet Definition
Aye Dave and Francis, Jerry - Original Message - From: Francis Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorites meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Planet Definition --- David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francis, What's wrong with teaching kids the actual facts, even if they aren't readily conducive to pigeon-holing? My old lunar friend Dave brings up something very important. It IS MUCH BETTER to allow students to decide what a planet is in their minds, and teach them that Pluto, Xena, etc. are bodies that orbit the sun, are approximately spherical, and are different from Earth, Venus, Mercury, Mars because they are largely made of ices and not rocky, and different from Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune because they do not have colossal hydrogen atmospheres. This would be the better approach, much, much more informative. But we all know what will really happen. Test item on state-mandated proficiency test: How many planets are there in the solar system? a. 9 b. 10 c. 14 d.8 One right answer. Such would be neither in the spirit of science or scientific. But: state-mandated. So Dave, I know where you heart is. Francis Graham __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
In Roman mythology, Pluto (Greek: Hades) is the god of the underworld. The planet received this name (after many other suggestions) perhaps because it's so far from the Sun that it is in perpetual darkness and perhaps because PL are the initials of Percival Lowell. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AL Mitterling Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi Tom and all, In Reality Pluto wasn't named after the cartoon character, rather it was a name picked out by the discover (and staff at Lowell) and having something to do with the afterlife. I'm not sure if the Dog Pluto was well know or even around at that time in 1930. This is a misconception by many. --AL Tom Knudson wrote: Hi list, I think they should name all those outer planet want-to-be's after carton characters, heck we already have Pluto, we can add Mickey and Mini, Daffy, Donald, bugs, porky, Sylvester and tweety! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Only one hour to go on the 7 kilo ZAG!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:39:49 -0500, AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom and all, In Reality Pluto wasn't named after the cartoon character, rather it was a name picked out by the discover (and staff at Lowell) and having something to do with the afterlife. I'm not sure if the Dog Pluto was well know or even around at that time in 1930. This is a misconception by many. http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC040725/disneycharacters.htm Pluto the dog made his first appearance as a bloodhound in 1930. Later that year he starred as Minnie’s dog Rover in “The Picnic”, and finally became Mickey’s dog Pluto in “The Moose Hunt”. There were 48 Pluto cartoons, and he also appeared in many others with Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. Pluto is an actual dog, with no ability to speak or stand upright __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
What if nobody wants to live on the 13th planet Who write your stand up stuff? Man you're a riot - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS? Hi, All, Brian Marsden, in the article below: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050802_planet_definition.html is quoted as saying if the Stern definition of a planet were used (everything spherical that goes 'round its star and doesn't fusion inside), we'd have 24 planets. Marsden himself says, The only sensible solution is to accept that the solar system contains the eight planets known a century or so ago, Marsden said via email, and to add new members only if they are larger than, say, Mars -- or maybe even the Earth. Of course, this way, Marsden, who's is charge of Minor Planets gets to keep'em and add Pluto to his collection. Stern says of the Kuiper Belt, It's really a revolution, says Alan Stern of the Southwest Research Institute. We are finding out just how quaint our view of the solar system was. My definition (everything spherical and bigger than Ceres that goes around the sun), by excluding the four large minor planets, would give us 20 planets. As for students and degree of difficulty, what makes you think high school students learn ANYTHING anyway? Stern is on that IAU committee defining a planet, BTW. The IAU and astronomy generally have a dilemma, though. How can you say that the massive 2003UB313 is NOT a planet when the smaller Pluto IS? However, we've got time. It will be a while before we get out there and have to found the Chamber of Commerce and name the MacDonalds on SEDNA or QUOAOR... A little bar down by the spaceport, The Inn of the 37 Planets, or call a subdivision 10th Planet Estates! What if nobody wants to LIVE on the 13th Planet? A lot of old office buildings DON'T HAVE a 13th floor... 11, 12, 14, 15, 16... Sterling Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars event
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[meteorite-list] Mars event - 2003 old news
Hi All, This rehash of what REALLY happened in 2003 has been making the rounds for several months now. I figured it was only a matter of time before it was forwarded here. (I actually first received it ~3 months ago from somebody very high up at Boeing, if you can believe it.) Mars ~was~ spectacular in 2003, but this is not a repeat event. Cheers, Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Evans Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:16 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars event Watch for Mars next month. The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. snip __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS?
If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a 25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet? Not necessarily, but there wouldn't be any controversy cause there'd be no one left the testify to anything!!! Jerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: HOW MANY PLANETS? Ron B. wrote: Incidently, if you demote Pluto from being a planet, then the definition for a planet becomes much easier. If you include Pluto as a planet, then the definition is going to get more complicated. Complicated it can be, not dumbed down, with or without Pluto. Arbitrary numerical criteria are useless to science in the long run whether they be 9 units, 20 degrees or 3025 miles. They are more like taxing authorities saying...if you own more than 20% of the company's stock, you must make special declarations. That is a foolish angle for the IAU to put itself in, and more typical of the thinking of mediocre government employees or bureacrats looking to reduce their workloads (not that we aren't all guilty at times). My personal thoughts of a planet rely on a permanent atmosphere or proven or potential geological process (major igneous activity, liberally considered) basis and prime orbit about the Sun. If Earth suddenly was catapulted into a 25 degree inclination ...would it cease being a planet? Perhaps my definition even excludes Pluto by not for a senseless inclination cutoff, especially after its hypothetical encounter with Neptune sent it there, or perhaps not. Vesta is always as bright or brighter than Neptune, and occasionally trumps Uranus, so something is out of wack here...the ancients would have called Vesta a wanderer if they didn't carelessly overlook documenting it. (It owes that brightness to 'geo'logical processes, namely the reflectivity of eucrite.) If Earth were catapulted into the Kuiper Belt would it cease being a planet? Wait until an Earth sized ball is found out there...How about Differentiated Planets, Gaseous Planets, and Frozen Planets to replace the inner and outer planets? Remember - for minor planets, a comet for all practical purposes becomes an asteroid - but it is still a minor planet, under current use... Kids can still memorize the Inner, Gaseous and Pluto (because Pluto is sometimes closer than Neptune, a very very important criterion from an earthly viewpoint of numbering successively the billiard balls starting with the bright white cue, and all you have to do is say the first 9 planets out..) Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars event
List, Bob`s message went to the bulk mailbox on Yahoo, so some members may not have seen his posting. Thanks Bob for the posting. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch for Mars next month. The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens again. The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars will be easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m. By the end of August when the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m.That's pretty convenient to see something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter throughout the month. Share this with your children and grandchildren. NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts
HUUUM, Al, it sounds complicated but that's what a subject area does, doesn't it? - Original Message - From: AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List policies and ad posts thoughts Hi Robert, Jerry and list, Might I suggest?? dividing the list into areas of interests. We could have topics like: Meteorite Information, Meteorite Questions, Meteorite discussion, Meteorite AD's, New Members Area, etc. and so forth. (other ideas would be up to list members) Doing this would enable us to filter out areas of non-interest or tuning in to the areas of interest but the system would be as good as the members making the posts. Anyone posting an ad in the Meteorite Discussion area would be reprimanded worst than anything those who have been severely criticized before!! I'd recommend having only 5 to 8 areas to keep it simple. We could have one area as a catch all for topics we aren't sure where they belong. Remember it's only a suggestion. Positive comments?? --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet
I Like it Greg! Jerry - Original Message - From: Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'AL Mitterling' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet In Roman mythology, Pluto (Greek: Hades) is the god of the underworld. The planet received this name (after many other suggestions) perhaps because it's so far from the Sun that it is in perpetual darkness and perhaps because PL are the initials of Percival Lowell. Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html What's Up: The Space Place http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=421 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of AL Mitterling Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet Hi Tom and all, In Reality Pluto wasn't named after the cartoon character, rather it was a name picked out by the discover (and staff at Lowell) and having something to do with the afterlife. I'm not sure if the Dog Pluto was well know or even around at that time in 1930. This is a misconception by many. --AL Tom Knudson wrote: Hi list, I think they should name all those outer planet want-to-be's after carton characters, heck we already have Pluto, we can add Mickey and Mini, Daffy, Donald, bugs, porky, Sylvester and tweety! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] chat tonight anyone
List, Anyone up for a chat in Mark Bostick`s chatroom? Dirk Ross Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars event
All, I've been getting calls on this. Newspapers are reporting that Mars will appear as large as the moon! Note that the story Bob forwarded says: ((At a modest 75-power magnification )) Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. That first part is pretty important. The moon appears about a half degree, or 1800 arc seconds wide, and Mars is typically closer to 12 arc seconds. At best during the coming period, Mars will reach about 25.1 arc seconds. Use a 75X scope and you get 25.1 X 75 = 1882.5; i.e., under 75 power magnification, Mars will look about the naked eye size of the moon. Mars will NOT look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Cheers, Norm http://TektiteSource.com --- Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch for Mars next month. The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as 60,000 years before it happens again. The encounter will culminate on August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of -2.9 and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-power magnification Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye. Mars will be easy to spot. At the beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m. and reach its azimuth at about 3 a.m. By the end of August when the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m.That's pretty convenient to see something that no human being has seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively brighter and brighter throughout the month. Share this with your children and grandchildren. NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars (past) event
Norm, See my follow-up post. This event ALREADY HAPPENED. However, I agree with you about the original post being very misleading (w.r.t. Mars appearing as large as the Full Moon under 75x). Most laypeople pay no attention to that under modest magnification bit -- they really think/thought Mars is/was going to look as big as the Moon. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Never changing list
Same old same old S**T The list will never change. Steve will be Steve and not get kicked off for it. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.Whine Whine Whine Criticize Criticize Criticize rationalize Rationalize Ratiionalize End Result = Same Old S**T I didnt read through all of the crap but. I think somebody suggested no ads. Or atleast limiting them extensively. Dumb Idea ! Im sure we all have some nice piece ( atleast one ) in our collections that we acquired thanks to a notice here on the list. Gotta get another Corona Have a good one BE __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Origin of Pluto's name
Hi Al and everyone, The name Pluto was suggested by 11-year-old Venetia Burney of England who had been reading a popular-level book on mythology at the time. The article about Pluto's discovery appeared in the Times newspaper (March 14, 1930 edition) and her grandfather, who worked at Oxford, read the story aloud to her. Upon hearing it, she made the suggestion and her grandfather mentioned it to a former Astronomer Royal who passed it along to the Lowell astronomers. . Pluto is named after the Roman god of the underworld. It is apparently just a coincidence that Disney's Pluto was created about the same time. Other names suggested for the planet were: Lowell, Atlas, Artemis, Perseus, Vulan, Tantalus, Idana, Cronus, Zymal and Minerva (suggested by the New York Times) but the young girl's was the one selected. The astronomers liked the underworld connection because of Pluto's distance in the deep dark cold of the outer solar system. It also was a nice coincidence that the first two letters of the name were Percival Lowell's initials. To the best of my knowledge that is how Pluto was named. Bob Hi Tom and all, In Reality Pluto wasn't named after the cartoon character, rather it was a name picked out by the discover (and staff at Lowell) and having something to do with the afterlife. I'm not sure if the Dog Pluto was well know or even around at that time in 1930. This is a misconception by many. --AL Tom Knudson wrote: Hi list, I think they should name all those outer planet want-to-be's after carton characters, heck we already have Pluto, we can add Mickey and Mini, Daffy, Donald, bugs, porky, Sylvester and tweety! : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball video
Hello List Check out this fireball video. Looks likes a daylight fireball. Anyone knows anything about it, there or when? http://www.wackyvids.com/movies/general/283/meteor.html or Wacky Vids web site http://www.wackyvids.com/ pick Meteor Keith V. Chandler, AZ. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball video
On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:50:18 -0700, Arizona Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List Check out this fireball video. Looks likes a daylight fireball. Anyone knows anything about it, there or when? http://www.wackyvids.com/movies/general/283/meteor.html Looks highly fake to me. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
