[meteorite-list] Last on Adamana for a while (I hope)
no distribution based on weight within the strewnfield, I see virtually no possibility for Adamana being a part of the Holbrook fall, unless it was previously found in the strewnfield and was later transported by people. The physics of it simply don't work out. With all the numerous explosions, why not another 11 miles? Some parts must have still been ablating after the main explosion to have more explosions. At say, 7 miles per second (just as an aribitrary figure), it wouldn't take long to cover that distance. There is still quite a bit of material still missing off of Haag's aerodynamic piece too. But, certainly not enough to make it come close to being the main mass. Because almost every fall has numerous stages of breakup. Because even within these falls, there is (to my knowledge) always a single strewnfield, with very little deviation from the rule that larger stones fall at the far end and small ones at the other. When you say 'explosions,' you do realize that you are referring to sonic booms in most cases, do you not? The multiple 'booms' often heard during falls are not due to the physical breakup of the meteorite itself, but rather to the stones' breaking of the sound barrier. Thus these multiple detonations heard were probably due to the existence of a number of number of stones that were large enough to retain some of their cosmic velocity for long enough to break the sound barrier in an audible manner. The initial large explosion heard would explain the initial sound effects of the large body either simply passing overhead at a great velocity or possibly it's violent fragmentation, whereas the rumbling heard afterwards can certainly be attributed to the many fragments that must have been large enough just after this explosion to still retain the velocity needed to create sound effects of their own, on a much smaller scale. Huh? In the Holbrook Argus article, it states: The sky was lightly overcast with patches of high floating clouds, but immediately after the explosion a smoky trail similar to the smoke of an automobile's exhaust was visible. The trail disappeared in a LITTLE NORTH of east in direction. Well, Arntz is ENE of Holbrook and Adamana is ENE of Arntz. The strewn field and the railroad tracks are in a ENE orientation. Drawing a line from Holbrook through Arntz takes you right to Adamanain fact, this line can possibly go a little bit north of what is shown as Adamana on a topo map. (next to the railroad tracks where the propane plant is). And I've read other reports stating that it followed a due East path...figures. I wasn't there, and see no way how one can decide between your sources and mine. This path, even if followed to a ridiculous extent (you're going to be hard pressed to find a strewnfield for a stony meteorite that's confirmed to be this long), takes you quite a distance south of Adamana. But this all depends on the accuracy of the reportswho could possibly know. Regards, Jason On 2/27/07, DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Utas wrote: Hello All, There are a few things that separate Adamana from Holbrook in my mind... The texture of the crust alone of Adamana versus that of Holbrook leaves me little doubt that the two could possibly be paired. Hi Jason, I think you meant to say that the two could NOT possibly be paired? Not trying to argue, just think a few points need to be said. The fusion crust of Adamana is a matte black, which contrasts sharply with the crust of recently found Holbrooks, which exhibit a typically blue/black almost shiny crust in most cases, often liberally spread with rust spots. The interior tells the same story - Adamana is a uniform brown, with chondrules poking out here and there. Recently found Holbrooks tend to be less weathered internally, if not more externally, and their dark chondrules contrast starkly with the lighter matrix, creating a much more heterogeneous appearance than that of Adamana. If indeed the Adamana meteorite is the front piece of the Holbrook, and I'm NOT saying it is, then it would have the thickest primary crust out of any other portion of the fall. There are pictures of original finds that have chondrules as much as 5-7 mm in diameter. Also, one has to keep in mind that it was found in a horse corral. I'm sure acidic horse urine and different soil conditions could have some kind of effect on it as well...IF it was. I'm just saying that I for one, am not quite ready to throw the half-baked theory in the trashyet. The location of the find Fifteen miles is simply impossible, unless it was artificially transported. Actually, the Adamana Meteorite was found
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone
Jason Utas wrote: Hello All, There are a few things that separate Adamana from Holbrook in my mind... The texture of the crust alone of Adamana versus that of Holbrook leaves me little doubt that the two could possibly be paired. Hi Jason, I think you meant to say that the two could NOT possibly be paired? Not trying to argue, just think a few points need to be said. The fusion crust of Adamana is a matte black, which contrasts sharply with the crust of recently found Holbrooks, which exhibit a typically blue/black almost shiny crust in most cases, often liberally spread with rust spots. The interior tells the same story - Adamana is a uniform brown, with chondrules poking out here and there. Recently found Holbrooks tend to be less weathered internally, if not more externally, and their dark chondrules contrast starkly with the lighter matrix, creating a much more heterogeneous appearance than that of Adamana. If indeed the Adamana meteorite is the front piece of the Holbrook, and I'm NOT saying it is, then it would have the thickest primary crust out of any other portion of the fall. There are pictures of original finds that have chondrules as much as 5-7 mm in diameter. Also, one has to keep in mind that it was found in a horse corral. I'm sure acidic horse urine and different soil conditions could have some kind of effect on it as well...IF it was. I'm just saying that I for one, am not quite ready to throw the half-baked theory in the trashyet. The location of the find Fifteen miles is simply impossible, unless it was artificially transported. Actually, the Adamana Meteorite was found 11 miles from Arntz (aka Aztec). Not quite all the way to Adamana which is 13 miles as the meteor flies. (I did some remeasuring). And, if the Goodwater theory is correct, then you are only talking about 4 miles. According to the July 26, 1912 article on the Holbrook Argus: There was a heavy explosion similar to that of a heavy blast followed by a fuscillade of smaller explosions which terminated in a thunder-like rumble of approximately two minutes in duration. In Warren Foote's Preliminary Notes of the July 19, 1912 Meteoric Fall at Aztec, Arizona, he writes: It was heard in Concho, St. Joseph, Woodruff, and Pinedale, some 40 miles away. One large explosion was quickly followed by several small ones in rapid succession. The mapped strewnfield was roughly one mile long by a half mile wide. Now it's more like 3 miles long by 1 mile wide and growing. Even Warren Foote mentions this dimension in 1912. The largest stone recovered, weighing in at ~14.5 lbs, was found at the end of this ellipse. HmmmI've never heard that before. I'd like to know where you read/heard that information as that is interesting to me. According to Foote: The large and small stones, according to all answers received, were said to be indiscriminately spread over the ground, without regard to size. The violent disruptions near Holbrook might account for the lack of such a separation The possibility that anything made it farther than this stone is great - In recent years, say the last 40, the larger finds that I know of have been about in the center of the known field and on both sides of the tracks. I and others have found many smaller ones further north and east of these larger stones. I would like to know where the main mass was found, but I've never been able to dig that up yet. However, I've never read or heard anywhere that it was found at the furthest point of the field. it wouldn't surprise me too greatly if a 20lber was found another quarter of a mile on (it could've buried itself on impact, etc), but to say that a smaller stone continued another fifteen miles beyond the known end of the strewnfield is simply ridiculous, With all the numerous explosions, why not another 11 miles? Some parts must have still been ablating after the main explosion to have more explosions. At say, 7 miles per second (just as an aribitrary figure), it wouldn't take long to cover that distance. There is still quite a bit of material still missing off of Haag's aerodynamic piece too. But, certainly not enough to make it come close to being the main mass. to say nothing of the fact that it is much too far north to even be near the same path as the body that created the Holbrook strewnfield. Huh? In the Holbrook Argus article, it states: The sky was lightly overcast with patches of high floating clouds, but immediately after the explosion a smoky trail similar to the smoke of an automobile's exhaust was visible. The trail disappeared in a LITTLE NORTH of east in direction. Well, Arntz is ENE of Holbrook and Adamana is ENE of Arntz. The strewn field and the railroad tracks are in a ENE orientation. Drawing a line from Holbrook through Arntz takes you right to Adamanain fact, this line can possibly go a little bit
Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook)
Guess I'm a No-Brainer-Local-Yokel It's funny that Bob Haag told me that it's an L6, but you know otherwise. There is lots of land before it gets to the Petrified Forest. Thanks for all the flattering words from you. It's surely appreciated. Local Un-Named-No-Brainer Dave Local Dave Robert Verish wrote: And Bob Haag was right when he said that his Venus Stone is too old to be from the Holbrook fall. For the longest time, I too, thought that Bob's Stone was a Holbrook meteorite, until... I was able to closely examine the Venus Stone when it was on display at the Tucson Show a couple of years ago. After the awe of having Bob Haag place into my hands the most revered example of a beautiful meteorite had subsided, I started to notice that the exterior was more weathered than I had expected. There wasn't much of a fresh fusion-crust. And then I noticed that around the edges of the nose-cone there were portions of the stone missing. You can imagine my dismay when I discovered that the stone wasn't perfect. And where there were portions missing, that exposed surface was definitely weathered. My jaw dropped when I noticed that there were numerous chondrules standing out in high relief on this weathered surface. I realized immediately that this stone was too low of a petrologic grade and too weathered to be a Holbrook meteorite. You see for yourself in this image: http://nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-4-1122475180.jpg The fact that the Venus Stone is not an L6, and therefore not related to the Holbrook fall, was for me a no-brainer. Then the idea that the Venus Stone may be part of ANOTHER strewn field started to intrigue me. And the idea that, if another stone could be found/classified/paired to it, then the Venus Stone could be spared the cutting of a type specimen! Now that was even of more interest to me. So, I researched this meteorite. But I discovered that the actual finder and the real locality were already known. And then I was told that the find locality is surrounded by a National Park, The Petrified Forest, which would complicate expanding any possible strewn field. It's not that I would begrudge turning over a meteorite to the Smithsonian, it's just that I'm not sure that even the Smithsonian can remove a meteorite from a National Park. So, I started to lose interest and started to reconcile that this would end up being just another unclassified Arizona meteorite. Hopefully, someone more local may get lucky one day and rekindle some interest... If you are interested, and before you head on out that way, you should take a look at this satellite image: http://www.headquarterswest.com/listings/goodwater/sat.htm Good luck, Bob V. P.S. - you'll notice that I've avoided using the word Adamana, because that name has not been formally approved. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Venus Stone is not L6 (and not a Holbrook)
My jaw dropped when I noticed that there were numerous chondrules standing out in high relief on this weathered surface. I realized immediately that this stone was too low of a petrologic grade and too weathered to be a Holbrook meteorite. You see for yourself in this image: http://nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/uploads/post-4-1122475180.jpg What did the photographer use in this image? A Yellow filter? You know, and I know that the Venus Stone is no way looks this weathered or YELLOW. I've seen and held it. Guess that horse urine really did a job on it. Local Yokel No Brain, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [SPAM] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone
Hi Bernd and Moni, Wow! Bernd must save everything in his database (which is worth a fortune in itself). Since 1999, I found out that this story is not entirely true. It wasn't found in a landfill as Bob H. mentioned in his catalogue. Instead, it was found in a horse corral when the owners of the ranch were cleaning it out. (So I'm told). They set it on a fence post and a passer-by, (whom will remain nameless for now), asked if he could have it. The owners just gave it to him. He then sold it Haag for the sum stated below. Those owners of the ranch (whose wife works with my girlfriend) sold it a while ago, but they may be foreclosing on it and get the land back. So this is the scenario I'm hoping for. Bob lists his Adamana or Venus Stone as an L6...same as Holbrook. Coincidence? Maybemaybe not. Plotting it on the map looks quite possible to me. Best, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Moni and List, Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Dave Andrews wrote to the List: Hi List, The Adamana or Venus Stone was found in the Adamana landfill. Near the Petrified Forest/Painted Desert boundary. (about 15 miles NE of Holbrook on I-40). Evidently someone just didn't want it anymore or didn't know what they had. It was found by a rancher target practicing with his 0.22 rifle. With the selling of the piece to Bob, I heard he purchased a new mobile home to live in. I have one of the casts, and it looks very real. It looks so real, that I think I'll put it up on eBay with a $15,000 reserve. (just kidding :o) Regards, Dave I got one of these casts too many years ago and they do look real! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone
HeheheJohnny B should know better than to listen to me. ;-) That story was conveyed to me by a person who lived in Adamana a few years ago. He has since passed away. Also, it's the Goodwater area instead of Goodman. Anyway, this gentleman told me that they used some of the old railroad base as fill for their corral. I really don't think this is the case now as that would be all cinders and the owners tell me differently. Bob Haag told me that the Adamana stone is an L6 and much older than the Holbrook fall. But if it was in a horse corral with horses, seems as if that would age a meteorite quite differently? Still all just speculation for now. Dave (who removed the SPAM from the subject line ;-) Alexander Seidel wrote: Now this is what John Blennert wrote in another forum in July 2005, I just found this via google: Although Bob Haag won't cut a large enough piece off the Adamana mass to properly be tested it is classed as an L5 by guess I think . The piece originated by a rancher who dug up some dirt at the Goodman exit area to spead in his barn or corrals. His ranch is in Adamana and the piece was discovered while spreading the dirt. It sat on a fence pole as a curiosity for quite some time before Bob bought it . The Adamana could be the nose cone to the Holbrook L6 strewnfield since that was the direction of the fall. Bob bieng very clever knows the piece has more value as an individual then as an oriented piece of a known fall !! I think !! Happy Huntin John B. Best wishes, Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [SPAM] Re: Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag's Venus Stone
Hi Moni, No, it isn't related to Bob Haag's piece other than it could possibly be from the same fall. Larry's find was a whole individual (some fragmentation) and it looked exactly like a Holbrook meteorite to me...only BIG! It has the same small, dark chondrules in a light matrix as a typical Holbrook. The crust looked the same as a typical Holbrook tooonly BIG! ;-) Best, Dave Moni Waiblinger wrote: Hi All again, I am so under the weather with another relapse of a very bad cold! Anyway, thank you for all your input. I still wonder if Larry's might be related to Bob Haag's meteorite, Adamana. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4794 Didn't he mention that it looks very different from an ordinary Holbrook meteorites with lots of chondrules and being exposed after many years. Is this what the Adamana looks like? Lots of chondrules? But guess even if Larry has his classified, we will never know if it is paired with Bob's, right! ;-) Back to the couch, Moni __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [SPAM] Re: Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone
100 bucks now? They used to be $25 if I remember correctlyhowever I have CRS now (Can't Remember S_it). I remember I bought a slice of Esquel from Bob in the late 90's (and not that big of slice either) and he through in the cast. Righteous dude he is. Dave Mike Jensen wrote: Hi Here is an image of the cast of the Venus Stone from Bob's site. http://www.meteoriteman.com/graphics/venus.jpg He sells them for $100 each. My brother and I both picked up one at the Tucson show this year. If I remember correctly he said those were the last ones he had for sale. But you might email him to see if he has any more for sale. http://www.meteoriteman.com/misc.htm Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com http://www.jensenmeteorites.com On 2/22/07, R. N. Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex wrote NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake of getting some classification data! Then cut the cast instead. :=) (He!He!) Ron - Original Message - From: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find and BobHaag's Venus Stone I am also the lucky owner of one of those Venus stone casts from Bob Haag. Beautiful! And you know why he called this one the Venus stone..?? :-) This is one very special nice example of a flight-oriented meteorite, where the rule applies: NEVER EVER cut specimen like these just for the sake of getting some classification data! Why? Because a cut would destroy the character of the piece! And so we don´t know what´s inside this beautiful meteorite, we can only make some assumptions from non-destructive observation. Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: 22 Feb 2007 18:11:00 UT Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: Betreff: [meteorite-list] Larry\'s Holbrook Holy Grail Find and Bob Haag\'s Venus Stone Hello Moni and List, Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Dave Andrews wrote to the List: Hi List, The Adamana or Venus Stone was found in the Adamana landfill. Near the Petrified Forest/Painted Desert boundary. (about 15 miles NE of Holbrook on I-40). Evidently someone just didn't want it anymore or didn't know what they had. It was found by a rancher target practicing with his 0.22 rifle. With the selling of the piece to Bob, I heard he purchased a new mobile home to live in. I have one of the casts, and it looks very real. It looks so real, that I think I'll put it up on eBay with a $15,000 reserve. (just kidding :o) Regards, Dave I got one of these casts too many years ago and they do look real! Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] venus meteorite and holbrook
OK...my last post on the subject and then I'm back to perpetual lurking. Promise! Sorry I couldn't make it hunting Justin, but days off are scarce these days. 1. Holbrook fall witnesses in 1912 reported 2 detonations...or booms. 2. Adamana is about 8 more miles down the railroad tracks (as the crow flies) from the Holbrook strewnfield 3. Did one of those detonations make the Holbrook fall and the other the Adamana? Beats me, but is quite possible. 4. If according to the GoldShooters forum, someone was spotted specking on the north side of the tracks at Adamana. If so, they are on PRIVATE property. Even on the south side they are on PRIVATE property. I for one, would hate to be caught on the Fitzgerald's land with no permission. 5. Adamana is NOT on the Navajo Reservation (as reported by this forum), but it is close to the Painted Desert/Petrified Forest National Park. So is this person at Adamana or Sun Valley? 6. Sun Valley = Holbrook fall. (No Navajo Reservation involved). 7. Adamana = Adamananot Holbrook or Sun Valley. 8. Is Larry's meteorite part of the Adamana meteorite? Looking at my cast of the Venus Stone there is only a small amount of material missing from the sides. Not a 1+ kilo chunk of fully crusted meteorite. 9. Is Larry's meteorite related to the Adamana meteorite? Maybe and maybe not. If so, it is related like a Campo is from the same fall as the Campos. Good CamposBad Campos. 10. Is Larry's meteorite an Adamana meteorite or a Holbrook meteorite? It was found in the Holbrook strewnfield and there are no missing pieces off of the Adamana meteorite that could possibly be that big and fully crusted. OKI hope I answered some questions. Back to lurking now... Dave justin weippert wrote: I heard the same story from dave andrew when we were hunting for them in holbrook. Is there anyway to tell if the have the same stone chrondrules and age? I know the meteorite is 4.5 billion years old but can you determine the age of the fall? I think there related in the same fall..justin weippert showlow, az Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw-- to find your fit. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on Larry Atkin's Recent Holbrook Find
Hola Johnny Q, You may be right, but as large as that piece was, it might have taken a couple of years or so for it to be washed or eroded out. But you are right, it was found near the top of a moundjust slightly down from the top. Even one fragment was found under a cow pie. ;-) The miniscule 69 gms. I found that day (largest fragment 43 gms...one of my better days), just didn't seem worth fussing over after Larry's whopper Holy Grail find. ;-) Congrats to Larrydon't know how you did it, but you did it. Dave JKGwilliam wrote: Bernd, Larry, Maria and List, Here's some more food for thought concerning the Holbrook strewnfield. One of my best friends, Dave Andrews, lives in Holbrook and has hunted the strewnfield hundreds of times. He was Larry and Maria when Larry made his find of a lifetime. Dave and I talked on the phone while the three of them were still out in the field, and Dave told me it was found in an area that many of us had been over dozens of times. How could that be? Over the years, Dave has noted that wind and water erosion probably come into play. After a good wind or rain storm, artifacts ( indian pottery shards) and meteorites become exposed. They seem to appear in places where they weren't just days before. In actuality, they were there all along but were hidden below a thin layer of sand. Anyone who has ever hunter there has noticed that there are small hillocks of sand mounded up around the bases of some of the indigenous shrubs. My guess is that once these shrubs die and are blown away by the winds (which can last for days and reach speeds of 50 MPH and more) the sand moves on without the shrubs there to hold it in place. Several years ago, Dave, John Blennert and I were hunting in Holbrook. While walking along with Dave, he bent over and picked up a small complete stone of about 2 grams. It was perched atop a small column of soil very much like a golf ball sitting on a tee. The soil (mostly sand) around it had blown away leaving the small stone nearly half an inch above the surrounding soil. Best, John Gwilliam At 01:09 PM 2/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Larry, Maria, and List, First of all, of course, sincere congratulations! They came to the Southwest and did an amazing job, finding meteorites at Holbrook, Franconia and Gold Basin. .. which should remind us all of Bob Haag's famous words: The key is to get out there and look for them. Usually some pieces were missed in the initial search. But: I had been within 50 feet of Larry's find many, many times and driven by it many more. .. which shows how difficult it can be, even for experienced meteorite hunters like Ruben Garcia. .. which should not discourage anyone willing to search the strewnfield again and again, even though Foote (no, not Gary ;-) remarked in his pre- liminary note on the Holbrook shower in 1912: the field is now pretty well cleaned up. Hmm! If he had known what he didn't know then, ... he was wrong! Here is one of the die-hard observations from Foote's notes: One piece larger than an orange fell into a tree in a yard at Aztec cutting the limb off slick and clean and falling to the ground, and when picked up was almost red-hot. Von Achen, who saw them fall, reported that they were too hot to pick up. Two accounts state that they became lighter in color after cooling. According to Foote's notes, the ellipsoidal strewnfield extended west-east but one question has not yet been answered satisfactorily: Were the stones indiscriminately spread over the ground, or were they found sorted according to size (and weight)? How do Larry's find of a lifetime and Maria's finds fit into this puzzle? Happy to own an 8.3-gram individual (label no. 331) purchased from the Zeitschels in 1987 and a 0.45-gram thin platelet, Bernd P.S.: Please, don't forget to include the Branch family in your thoughts and your prayers ! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [SPAM] Re: Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find
They say Holbrook is the product of two breakups, one after the other, when the largest fragment then re-fragmented again. Hi Sterling, Yes, according to the original Holbrook Argus newspaper articles right after the fall, there were two detonations. My theory is that the first landed at the Holbrook strewnfield. The second? Have you seen/heard of Bob Haag's Venus Stone? I know exactly where and how it was found and have been waiting permission to search the private property. Even Bob himself doesn't know how or exactly where it was found (well he might now, because I told him the story a while back). The owners of the land and finders of the stone didn't know what they had and just gave it to a passer-by who in turn traded it for enough cash to buy himself a new trailer house. Just a theory though. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find
Hola Johnny Q, You may be right, but as large as that piece was, it might have taken a couple of years or so for it to be washed or eroded out. But you are right, it was found near the top of a moundjust slightly down from the top. Even one fragment was found under a cow pie. ;-) The miniscule 69 gms. I found that day (largest fragment 43 gms...one of my better days), just didn't seem worth fussing over after Larry's whopper Holy Grail find. ;-) I hope we can post some pictures with some meaning and size scale to it. I have some. The pictures Mark posted (thanks Mark) have no indication as to size. Also, I think that minus the fragment weights, should be worded plus the fragment weights. I know that piece is at least a kilo in weight. Maybe the largest Holbrook in 30 yrs. or so? Maybe Steve Schoner could refresh our memory on his/or others finds? I know he has found some large ones in the past. As far as Bernd's question as to the distribution of large to small stones, I see no pattern whatsoever. Seems to my personal experience, the larger ones are in the middle of the north side. However, there are records of 5 lbs. found on the south side in 1969. (Everet Gibson, I believe). I/we've found a lot of stuff on the south side, but as to when I was there, nothing of size larger than 20 gmsthen came Maria last year. She found 100g or so of an individual in the eastern past on the south side. Nothing that says the larger ones are found in the furthest part of the strewnfield. I've been working on finding things further from the horizontal and vertical plane of the field. I feel in the last few years that we have expanded the 2 mile x 1/2 mile rule by quite a bit. I'm only sharing this info because it really isn't easy to just walk in here and find something substantial. WellI take that back...Larry just did it. Congrats to Larrydon't know how you did it, but you did it. Dave (Sending this as plain text in hopes it will be posted) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry's Holbrook Holy Grail Find
OhI hope Ruben and Doug left my nickle offering as a tribute to the meteorite Gods when they dug for more Larry's fragments. ;-) Peace, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Summer half price meteorite sale
GI dunt no wut is rong. So I well post it hair for all uf you. SSteve Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from here now! Thank you!
Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago) from this list. I will gladly be the sacrificial lamb in this case. I haven't missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from now on in the futurethanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate with this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage this great hobby of ours. If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day in, day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my true friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To put it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go. But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore. Some newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999yeah...right! Count me out. I mean it! So, you choose ArtSSteve or meit won't really hurt me feelings if it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my identity like Matteo anyways). Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on yahoogroups for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I have added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off till sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale pages.Sorry for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on yahoogroups. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A japanese meteorite called dhum phuquer
There is a Japanese meteorite called, Fukue. (For reals). Closest thing I could find, Steve. Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I cannot find this anywhere,so I am calling out to the great minds on this list.Is there or has anyone heard of a meteorite called dhum phuquer?To me and my limited japanese,this just does not have the japanese wording I am used to seeing.Please any help would be welcomed. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
Filtered out JW? Do you really have the capacity to do such a thing, Steve? Looking at your web page, I seriously doubt you have the know-how to do that . I've been quiet about you for at least 3-4 weeks now (I think), but please just keep your hate mail to yourself. OK? I'd hate to have to deal with all your list friend(s) from Klingafornia. Either sell him the piece or keep you pie-hole shut because you told all 600 of us you'd sell it to all the bashers. Who cares? I for one, would never accept any damaged piece from you even if it was a multi- Kg lunar and freeeven with free shipping! Some of us have scruples! I can't believe you think you still think we are stupid enough to believe that you are a Canadian or European Corporation with the ChicagoLTD stuff. Hopefully, you know what a CORPORATION IS?!?!?!?! You know CEO's, VP's and stockholders Give it a rest before you get into some trouble and have the IRS and Illinois State down your back!!. Just friendly advice from me to YOU! Small-Time-Dave from Holbrook!!! Arizona! Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.It seems some people just continue to want to make me look bad even when I have done nothing wrong.I found out today,from a very good meteorite friend,and yes I do have alot,that J. W. slammed me publicly on this list because he could not get ahold of me.Well I had not even noticed until my friend told me.The reason J. W. could not get ahold of me is because I have blocked J. W.'s email address.Sometime ago he publicly slammed me about ego's,posts,and other BS,so I went and added J. W.'s email to the blocker.I am tired of being made fun of all the time when I have done nothing wrong at anytime.J. W. tried to get ahold of me privately,but no go.So than he trys to get ahold of me publicly,no go.So what does J.W do,he slams me on the list and lets everyone know how much of a worthless human being I am and who will never do business again with.FINE,WHATEVER!If he had not continued to publicly humiliate me on the list,he would have gotten thru to me.All in all, I have 17 emails blocked so I do not have to put up with anymore shit from everyone who continue to knock me everyday.Please stop this,NOW!And as far as sweetwater goes,it is on ebay,so you can bid on it J.W.I hope everyone has a great holidy,I know I am.Also thanks to the many list friends who continue to support me. steve arnold, chicago,usa! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] different prices of meteorites
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Definition of LTD: Limited company. A business structure used in Europe and Canada, in which shareholder responsibility for company debt http://www.advfn.com/money-words_term_1313_debt.html is limited, usually to the amount he/she has invested in the company. In some cases, the liability of shareholders http://www.advfn.com/money-words_term_4527_shareholders.html is limited to specific pre-determined amounts (which are stated in a memorandum). Abbreviated Ltd or plc. Maybe you're just referring to something else on your website and in your email signature? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) iron meteorite sale,ebay and givaways
HmmmI can't seem to find you listed in here Steve. http://cdsprod.ilsos.net/corp.html I think it would be wise to drop the LTD from your website and email signature. Just a suggestion from Bashem #3. Is Elgin in Canada maybe??? Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Well somewhere down the road this email will end up in email hell I am sure for alot of you,even the 3 bashem triplets.I have 6 auctions on ebay and I also have 8 items on my website forsale and I still have a few springwater pallasite crystals still so check them out.The sale is for 8 iron meteorites. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) iron meteorite sale,ebay and givaways
As the CEO of your European/Canadian corporation, the superb imagery you portray here sure makes one want to purchase one or all of your products. http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com/id91.html I think some time reading the manual for your NEW State-of-the-art-digital camera would be time well spent for your stockholders and Board of Directors. Another suggestion from Bashem Triplet #3??? Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Well somewhere down the road this email will end up in email hell I am sure for alot of you,even the 3 bashem triplets.I have 6 auctions on ebay and I also have 8 items on my website forsale and I still have a few springwater pallasite crystals still so check them out.The sale is for 8 iron meteorites. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chicago Steve Arnold is my HERO
Gosh! Is this the John Blennert (aka Goldmaster) that I know Guess you missed a few tid-bits lately. Where you been? ;-) Just kiddingDave John Blennert wrote: Hi All I don't post tooo much !! But I thought I'll stick my nose in this one . Anyone who can stand to live and work in the greater chicago land area ( my home town) is a OK in my book . I bailed out a that area in 1976 and I don't like going back there even to visit friends or family . I can tolorate Steve's child like enthusiasm for wanting to run with the big dogs and be a wheeler dealer . Some of his posts are even cute (the tooth whole tooth and nothin but the tooth meteorite. ) Well if you don't like his adds do as I and delete em !! (Sorry Steve) Hey he's not the only guy peddlin space rocks on this list !! Sooo I say leave him alone and either buy his stuff or delete it if it's not of interest .Gooo for it big Steve !! Happy Huntin John Blennert __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chicago Steve Arnold is my HERO
Ah...he was in the desert too long and missed all the SStevie action. I don't know who had it the worst, him or us. Lucky b_stard! ;-) Notice the smiley face. Anyway, best Memorial Day wishes to alleven if you don't live in the US. Dave Gerald Flaherty wrote: I'm with John B. on this one. His advice can't be that hard cause even I do it! John, how's things. I still have my first chondrite[H4], Gold Basin with fond memories of your generosity and share the wealth enthusiasm. I was sorry to hear about your misadventures in Ohman. I'm sure you'd have preferred to be somewhere[anywhere] else. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: John Blennert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Chicago Steve Arnold is my HERO Hi All I don't post tooo much !! But I thought I'll stick my nose in this one . Anyone who can stand to live and work in the greater chicago land area ( my home town) is a OK in my book . I bailed out a that area in 1976 and I don't like going back there even to visit friends or family . I can tolorate Steve's child like enthusiasm for wanting to run with the big dogs and be a wheeler dealer . Some of his posts are even cute (the tooth whole tooth and nothin but the tooth meteorite. ) Well if you don't like his adds do as I and delete em !! (Sorry Steve) Hey he's not the only guy peddlin space rocks on this list !! Sooo I say leave him alone and either buy his stuff or delete it if it's not of interest .Gooo for it big Steve !! Happy Huntin John Blennert __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Now, Mr.Steve - This is my offer
As one looks at his website entitiled, Illinois Meteorites, LTD!!! It's obvious as to what is limited about Mr. Arnold!!! It's all about Gray Matter!!! Just look at the first pictureit says it all I only wish I could underline all of this and still send it as plain text Steved Out Dave Karin Hughes wrote: Maybe you better not insult Comic Book Collectors. Base upon the actions of many of the members of this list, it would be a safe bet that Comic Book Collectors have a higher IQ. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Message Concerning Oman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't get it. Why didn't John B. take the time to understand the law in the first place? What law? Could you cite it or send us an URL about this law for us? The thrill of the hunt took precedence? Everyone and their dog (but myself) has been there many times with no incident. (Including this group of people). I'm guessing by your post that you don't subscribe to Meteorite Magazine? If you consider all the ill will between Muslim fundamentalists and the rest of the planet why bother exploring that region. Should we call it greed, stupidity, disregard, overzealousness or what. This is Oman, not Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan. Their troubles had nothing to do with Muslim fundamentalists or extremists. Know the facts before you call someone greedy or stupid. I believe the correct term should be adventurous. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SSteve Arnold, Chicago!!!!
Dana, The only reason SSteve gives his specks away instead of selling them on eBay or giving them to class rooms is simple. It's to draw attention to himself. How much attention on the list would he have if he gave them away to a local school? None! It's simple to see. If you knew him like we know him, you'd know what we are talking about. It's all for attentionLook at me! Look at me! What I saw from list members was not bashingmerely suggestions for SSteve. Ebay feedback is not the sole criteria for judgement. Actually, he's been lucky in that department...eh, Howard? Dave Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: I agree with Norm, stupid is as stupid does, I prefer Sponge BoB to Ssteve DF - Original Message - From: Norman Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold Dana, The list does not need a mother telling everyone what to do, we already have a few thqnk you. Your post to the list is not within the rules and guidelines set up by the list owner. I think it's fine if Stwvw wants to giveaway some of his microspecks, but he doesn't need to remind everyone about his unique services every day. Since you're a supporter of Steve, you must think it's okay to ripp=off money from the Tsunami Relief Fund, correct? If so, shame on you too. Norm --- Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After following this list for several months let me just say that no matter what Steve Arnold's business practices are, he has succeeded in making the bashers look like, out and out asses. What ever the point the bashers have tried to make it seems they have failed. I am still not sure what the wasted time was all about worth wasting. Steve's business practices do not look all that bad according to his ebay rating either. Let he perfect in all areas of life spew the next line of hatred. Sincerely, Dana Hawn Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/online.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New database
Jeff Grossman wrote: The gain is that this database will always be up to date, whereas the Catalogue has not been updated in 2-3 years. Soon, this database will also contain all of the provisional names we have given out over the years, so you can find out what we know about them too. Plus the price is right. Thanks Jeff for your work. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: tarde offer
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.I have a very nice trade offer to offer.I have a 40 gram slice of ESQUEL to offer in trade.I am looking for nice NWA items,(NO NWA 869)EUCRITES,or any rare u s falls.Let me know if interested.I';; pay shipping to. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia Field Trip
Great pictures Larry. I/we had a great time there last year. I wish we could return again this year, but things are keeping us busy otherwise. Only thing I ask it that the U of A use some discretion about who they take hunting out there and elsewhere in the state. Everyone who knocks on their doors doesn't deserve the priveledge or opportunity. It's a two-way street here too (or at least it should be). This probably makes no sense to most, but it does to a select few. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, I thought I would share some photo's of my first outing in the Franconia strewn field. There are pictures of meteorites in-situ, as well as some wildlife shots. I also wanted to thank Dennis Wells and Jim Smaller for their genuine hospitality and competent advice, they were a big help. Sincerely, LarryFranconia is the last album on the page. http://community.webshots.com/user/microman108 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite talk in tucson
HmmmI had no idea that Marvin had the largest private meteorite collection in the world. Learn something new everyday. Also, I hope the Flandreau gives proper credit to John Blennert for all the freebies he has donated to them over the years. Sounds like a nice event indeed. Thanks for sharing Eric. Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI for those in the Tucson area. http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews.woa/wa/MainStoryDetails?ArticleID=10995 -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pool on the Chi-town collector's er I meanDealer's return?
Tracy, I was thinking John meant Chi-town to mean Chicago? Best, Dave tracy latimer wrote: Steve's latest purchase may be nonexistent. There is a thread up right now on the Trust and Safety board about how the seller of the meteorite from the Andes is yet another scammer, stealing auctions and pictures to fabricate their own. He may be lucky if he gets a rusted out tractor part from this guy! There is a growing sense of caveat emptor about sellers from China since so many (not all, but many) are turning out to be grifters. Tracy Latimer Elton, As you know these things are not easy to predict ...even if you would let the party in question make his own guess as to when he would be posting. He'd still not get it right. from PA too, John 7 AM central Friday morning the 15th is my guess with: Who wants to trade for some Campos Sales? Now only $2.573/g -- Original message from E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Whos is running the pool onwell you know what...te he he wink wink Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] boycott imca
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve the scapegoat. How convenient. An impotent organization flexed it's flabby muscles and worked over the least of it's brethren. Sickening. I think collectors should boycott anyone associated with the imca. Bill Scapegoat? I can't believe how nieve some of you are. If one was to actually read their emails over the last year, one would understand why the IMCA did what they did. Rhett Bhourland isn't a board member any longer, so he is acting on his ownnot in the interest of the IMCA. (And that's just Steve's word on things and not fact). Look listen and learn. There are many list members (other than IMCA) that have had issues with Scapegoat Steve for quite sometime now. That's all I will say on the issue, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Does this rectify negative feedback?
Hi Norbert, With this one, just consider the source. Please don't judge all Americans by this one being. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Garmin etrex GPS question
Pele, Go to Main Menu, Setup, Units and set your GPS for Datum WGS 84, Statute Miles. If you are corresponding to a US Geological Survey 7.5 topo, you might want your position format as hddd°mm'ss.s. Hope this helps, Dave Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: Hello to the List, I know some of you use the etrex GPS (Garmin). I would like to know how to configure it for the western USA (California, Arizona, Nevada). Which geodesic system should I use to have correct gps coordinates in the USA ? Thanks in advance, Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com __ Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de stockage pour vos mails ! Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Tucson wins!!
It wasn't pretty, but...Whew! What a game! Your local meteorite basketball team is off to the Elite 8!!! Hope Norman wagered on the right team. Dave Vitale (Baby!) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] campos sales sale
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I VOW there will be no more on these or any subject regarding these stones.Come and get 'em!! Then there was: Hi again list.I made a mistake on the 527 gram piece.It is the 492 gram pioece that has the flow lines and the lipping.Not the 527 gram piece.That is my mistake, for that I apoligize.One has already been sold, so keep 'em coming. Then AGAIN there was: Hi again list.I have just a few of the CAMPOS SALES pieces left forsale at $2.00 a gram.The 492 gram flow lined specimen is gone,as well as the 449 gram dark crusted piece, as well as the 107 gram piece.I thank those who bought them.I also have the 373 gram individual with 95% crust still as well as the 563 gram 2 fragmented pieces and a few more.Get now while they are hot to go.Sorry for this post,but I am happy to see them going.Chime in and take one home.The price will never be finer. Then Devon Slater said: I think Steve has very clearly demonstated how much respect he has for us. Devon Which is NONE! It will never stop like Ground Hog Day, 50 First Dates, Muppet's Beaker does Chicago Again and Again and Again...when will it end? NEVER! I kept my promise to keep lurking, but Steve brought me out again at his own request. More braggingmore spammore acting innnocent and ignorant. Guess I chimed in. I was born at nightbut not last night! Agh Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] campos sales sale
Norman Smith wrote: Another meteorite collector bet me that Steve would send another e-mail to the list within three days regarding his Campos Sales meteorites. Me, I figured it was a safe bet! I'm going back to betting on March Madness with 20 bucks less in my pocket. Right-O Norman! Wager on University of Arizona (Tucson) Wildcats. You'll most likely make some money as they made it to the Sweet 16 again and hopefull will make it to the Elite 8. Coach Lute Olson is one class act and what a better town to root forTUCSON! I bet even ol' Tucson Geoff is in on the frenzy? Remember when Lute's wife died a few years ago? That year the UA Wildcats took the NCAA Championship just for her and their coach. What a townwhat a team! I bet many of you have been to that little desert town one time or another? ;-) Too bad they have to do it the Chicago!!! Bracket. ;-) UofA Dave (Kaibab-Huachuca 1974) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who is this guy?
RYAN PAWELSKI wrote: Probably Rob Wesel. Ryan Why do you say that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Help! Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation
Could please someone gave a short note here, that it IS possible without any problems? For him to read only. Many thanks! Martin (yes Bob and Dave as you suppose, it's him.) Don't tell me, Martin. Let me guess. The Big Windy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Help! Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation
Don't tell me, Martin. Let me guess. The Big Windy And I'll also venture a guess to the keyword, Wickenburg. Am I correct? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Charlie Brown and Pasamonte
Good morning to all. A few years ago I was reading Nininger's Find a Falling Star, and he mentioned that Charlie Brown took a snapshot of the Pasamonte fireball with his Kodak camera in 1933. In the book, there was a picture of Charlie standing in front of his house/cabin, but no picture of the fireball. Now that I've read Kevin's book (which is very interesting reading, Kevin. Thanks for #100 too!), it reminded me of the story. But, still no picture of the fireball. Is there somewhere on the internet where this picture can be found or if any of the listees have an image of it? Just curious as it's something I'd like to view for some reason. Thanks in advance if there is such a thing available. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Charlie Brown and Pasamonte
That was quick! Thanks Matt. Yes, it is an awesome website. Dave Matt Morgan wrote: Once again, from D Weir's awesome website... http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9278/protected_PASAMONT.HTM Scroll to bottom. Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DNAndrews Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 8:35 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Charlie Brown and Pasamonte Good morning to all. A few years ago I was reading Nininger's Find a Falling Star, and he mentioned that Charlie Brown took a snapshot of the Pasamonte fireball with his Kodak camera in 1933. In the book, there was a picture of Charlie standing in front of his house/cabin, but no picture of the fireball. Now that I've read Kevin's book (which is very interesting reading, Kevin. Thanks for #100 too!), it reminded me of the story. But, still no picture of the fireball. Is there somewhere on the internet where this picture can be found or if any of the listees have an image of it? Just curious as it's something I'd like to view for some reason. Thanks in advance if there is such a thing available. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new computer
Please delete now for the faint of heart or who like a lot of hot airI wasn't even going to post this, but after considerable thought, I felt I had to. Sorry in advance. No apology necessary here Johnny G! I also get tired of the Big-Windy-Steve braggingsnew cameranew ultimate PCnew meteoritecash onlyno credit cards...Haag not for saleI brought you Park Forest...my main-mass Dhofars rule and your NWA's suck...what a bunch of blow-hard-self-ego-pumping-banter. What if we all posted when we purchased a new PC, a new digital camera, a new DVD recorder, a new DV camcorder, a new meteorite...I'm out of townmy cell phone number is...BobHaag is HOT!...blahblah. It would be the Ego-Techie List...not a meteorite list. I'm not talking about ONE post here. He's been spewing the new PC for several posts. Remember a while back, it was his NEW State-of-the-Art digital camera which wasn't so State of the Art, so he got another one. How many posts about the two of them did we have to delete or read? Why? To look like a BIG DOG! Certainly something that I am not, and don't pretend to be. On and on and on. Who gives a rat's rear? Why do you have to have a new PC to post pictures? It certainly hasn't curtailed your ability to pummel us with emails about all your glorious acquisitions that you will certainly never part with. Why do you post stuff like that? What if everyone that attended Tucson posted what they bought at the show? What if I posted everytime I (or someone I know) found a bunny-turd Holbrook, Franconia, or Gold Basin meteorite? We used to post our joint Holbrook and other hunts as a story, but it became bandwidth dribble so we stopped. Who cares? Absolutely no one! C'mon Steve! You're a nice guy and everything, but we don't need to know your everyday activities and purchases. Give us a break please. Sure I can use the delete key, but I have to admit I find it kind of entertaining in a curious-perverted way what's going to come out of your mouth next. Absolutely amazing to say the least.. I too apologiize for my tirade and if I deserve flaming, so be it. Maybe I'll get back to meteorites too and post a pic of a Holbrook I found with flow lines or something. (Not to be a big blow hard braggart though) Other than that, if you can stick to meteorite related posts, and no bragging Steve, I'll go back to lurking. It's a promise. Maybe you can all nominate me for the Jackass award next year instead of Sugar Ray D. and the Soggy-Bottom Boys. Sorry all in advance again, Dave JKGwilliam wrote: Meteorite List, First of all, I apologize to the List for the following: I don't know about the rest of you, but I've finally reached my limit of Steve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop bragging and blathering. So, get angry with me if you want or send me emails condemning my behavior, but I've had enough and I have to vent a little here. steve,steve,steve,steve,steveI don't know what Dell catalog you ordered from, but since the Gwilliams are a Dell only family( we have five Dells), I can clear up any confusion you might be experiencing. The Dell Dimension 3000 is an entry level machine and can't be called state of the art by any stretch of the imagination. Dell describes the 3000 as the Ultimate Value Desktop and is second from the bottom of the line of eleven (11) desktop machines. The person you ordered your computer from must have given you some incorrect information. Here at our house, my eleven year old daughter has a Dimension 4700 with dual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer DVD-R burner, etc. It's two steps up from you machine and it isn't even close to being state of the art. Best, John Gwilliam Oh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife) remembers meeting BH about 10 years ago and she said that the way she would describe him could be translated to BH is one hot dude! if she were still thirty years old, but for a fifty year old guy to say that is welldisgusting and very embarrassing. Faux pas! Best, John Gwilliam At 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan wrote: What does this post have to do with meteorites? I've gotten a few new computers over the last two years as well. Anyone else?? New cameras, camcorders, VCRs, DVDs? LOL Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA ebay id: mhmeteorites - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new computer Hi and good afternoon list.I just want to let everyone know that I just got my new computer and will be putting my tucson pictures up on my website for viewing.I'll let you know when I am done.I got a DELL DIMENSION 3000.It is state of the art computer. steve arnold.chicago Steve R.Arnold,
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Gunlock Hype (???)
My reasons for wanting it is this: 1) There aren't too many meteorites from Utah 2) It's a Haag collection piece 3) Kewl name I know, pretty silly on my part, but those are my reasons. Best wishes, Dave RYAN PAWELSKI wrote: Just wondering what all the hype about Gunlock is for? It's limited availability to collectors, or because it has a cool name? However, Gunlock still doesn't beat Billy Goat Donga or Cockburn., or even Milly Milly or Millbillillie. Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] odds and ends,2-14-2005
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Good afternoon list.I see I created a bob haag firestorm.Well what do you expect?BH is one hot dude! That's exactly what Heidi said! ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 05 Retrospective
Hey Geoff, I think we have our new Jackass Award Winner for next year. Very disrespectful story indeed. S. Ray DeRusse wrote: Greetings List; Well, imagine our surprise when we read the thread below. I had a personal conversation with the Dean of the TCU geology department in which he informed me that among other things, Dr. Ehlmann was barely a geologist and not a very good one at that. He also called him, an old man just waiting to retire, just a menial curator of a meteorite collection doing no real research. He said more but I don't necessarily agree with everything he Dean said. But it matters not much since in my view this award has very little meaning attached to it because of the group handing it out. Was there some sort of election or nomination procedure involved or posted somewhere? How does this little favoritism scheme and showering of affection work for a group who even his colleague has bad mouthed him this way. Did you include the Dean's viewpoint ? Or did you gather together willy nilly to keep misconduct and racism a fertile nesting ground in planetary science? We're going to make a special Jackass of the Year certificate for the person who stole the award, and we'll leave it out on the table next year, so be sure to steal that too. Thanks. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces
Hey Bob, You have one Ex-Haag piece I'm interested in. Gunlockyou know...the one that Windy Steve would never part with. Let me know what you want for it. I'm not kidding or poking fun at anyone. I'm serious. Dave bob cucchiara wrote: I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the collection of Bob Haag. I am pleased to offer these to the Met list first and will be taking offers on these pieces. The best offer received meeting my low reserve, which will not be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will take offers for 7 days ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If the reserve is not met, these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut up. Both specimens will come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen card. The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of Salla with 2 polished faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is strange as each of the faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla was found in 1963. L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg. This piece comes from a Helsinki University trade with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on it. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 103 or his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126. Additional photos available on request. The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, quarter cut end piece of the rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58 Kg-Find 1964 This piece comes from a Russian academy of Sciences trade with their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 115 or is old field guide on page 51 as specimen #154. Additional photos available on request. All offers or any further questions please e mail me off list.. Thank you Bob Cucchiara IMCA #1221 Meteoritemadness __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces
Darn! No Gunlock??? ;-) Best wishes, Dave bob cucchiara wrote: I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the collection of Bob Haag. I am pleased to offer these to the Met list first and will be taking offers on these pieces. The best offer received meeting my low reserve, which will not be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will take offers for 7 days ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If the reserve is not met, these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut up. Both specimens will come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen card. The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of Salla with 2 polished faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is strange as each of the faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla was found in 1963. L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg. This piece comes from a Helsinki University trade with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on it. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 103 or his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126. Additional photos available on request. The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, quarter cut end piece of the rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58 Kg-Find 1964 This piece comes from a Russian academy of Sciences trade with their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 115 or is old field guide on page 51 as specimen #154. Additional photos available on request. All offers or any further questions please e mail me off list.. Thank you Bob Cucchiara IMCA #1221 Meteoritemadness __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Now Playing...was that it?
I had my DVD recorder all setup and ready to record, but all I saw was about a 60 sec. blurb about Mike during half-time of the Shania Story. I thought it was a preview and didn't record it. Hope that wasn't it as I was going to make a simple MPEG of what I recorded. (Didn't have time to set up my laptop which has video capture on it). So did I miss it...or was that it? Disappointed Dave RYAN PAWELSKI wrote: never to old or young! Did the reporter just say By 1982, 17 year old Shania...? 17 years old I was first BORN in 1982!!! LMAO Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Now Playing...was that it?
Mark Bowling wrote: I don't know Dave, I think so. I was going to tape it - I thought it was going to a commercial break from Shania and I missed the start... I'll try again tomorrow as well. I too thought we were going to a break, but it just started WAY too quickly. If I can get it captured and down to under 10Mb of so, I'll upload it to my webspace for everyone's perusal. Slow-on-the-trigger Dave (bottom poster) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for a BIG-ger beaker
Hola Dos Juans, I also haven't seen much input to your query, but if you look closely at the image URL below, you will notice there was a VERY LARGE beaker at the Meteorite Mayhem Birthday Bash. I don't know who it belonged to, but perhaps someone that was there can enlighten us. http://myweb.cableone.net/dandrews/beaker.html I hope this helps in your search for a large beaker. Best, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I didn't see any response to your question about locating a big beaker...one that is 6 to 8 liters. I too have seen the large size beaker you are asking about at a Tucson show, but I could not recall who it was. I did a number of Internet searches and could not come up with that size beaker. The biggest I found was 4 liters, but I did find a site that had a 6 liter flask. But that might not be want you want. See below. http://www.bch.msu.edu/facilities/bmbstores/beakrs-bottles.htm On the other hand, I became confused during these searches as to what I was looking for because when I searched for large Beakers (with CAPS) I came up with a different sort of BIG beaker. Maybe this is what you wanted but I struggled with the english and metric scales between the two. http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/231840.asp Good luck and let us know if you've gotten the help you were looking for. John -- Original message from JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello List, While at the Tucson Show, I bought several large, unetched Campo slices to experiment with. My plan is to treat them in a Schoner Bath, etch them, and see how they hold up. In the past, I've used plastic tubs for these projects, but this time I want to heat the solution so I need some large Pyrex beakers. Can anyone tell me where I might find a really large beaker? Someone told me they saw a huge beaker (6-8 liters) down in Tucson, but I can't remember who it was. The largest one my local chemical store stocks is 4 liters - I'm looking for one that is twice that size. John Gwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: meteorite hunting gas mileage, etc.
Greetings Gas Guzzlers, I drive a 1997 GMC Sierra 4x4 full size extended cab truck which is basically the same as a Chevy. It has a 5.7 Liter Vortex V-8, Auto-trans. and gets 22 mpg on the highway (with the A/C off...about 20 mpg with it on). Around town or off-roading for meteorites I'm sure it drops down to 15-16mpg. Not too shabby for a full-size 4x4. So, a small S10 Blazer with a 4 cyl. or 6 banger (or the likes), might get a little better mileage than that. Best for a good trip Pele, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite on Mars (Color Photo)
I doubt that NASA has a higer-resolution version of the photo than they are releasing to the public. Why not simply send the photo to one of the many photo printing services on the internet (like www.dotphoto.com, www.shutterfly.com, and www.clubphoto.com) and buy a print from them? Or even take it on a CD to a local photo lab? Greetings all, I hate to be a nay-sayer or anything of the likes. But, that picture sure looks like a cheap Photoshop copy-and-paste job. Here's the link again for you all that have filters or didn't look before: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=1466 I'm sure it's due to the false color imaging to make it look natural or whatever. It just seems like the shadows don't match considering the ground soil and the meteorite itself. I'm quite certain I'm wrong in any insinuations above, but it doesn't look anything natural to me. I believe they have found an iron meteorite, but that picture doesn't look right to me. Maybe they are trying too hard to convince us??? Just my amateurish 2-cents worth, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Happy Birthday Nininger things to see near Tucson
Titan Missile Museum - Descend 35-feet underground and get an up-close look at the world's last remaining intact Titan Missile still housed in its silo. Located 25 miles south of Tucson, this once secret, Cold War facility is open for one-hour guided tours leaving every 30 minutes. Walking shoes are required and reservations are suggested. Entry fee. located approximately 25 miles south of Tucson. From Tucson take I-l9 south to Green Valley. Take exit 69, Duval Mine Road, and go West 1/l0 mile past La Canada to the entrance, 1580 West Duval Mine Road, Sahuarita; (520) 625-7736; http://www.pimaair.orgwww.pimaair.org. Funny you should mention this Keith...or John. My dad used to be an electrician at this site. At that time, we moved from New Mexico to Tucson when I was about 6 yrs. old. Before that he worked at Roswell, NM and some other missle site near the Continental Divide. Since he is gone now, I'd very much like to see this site. Thanks for the info and showing my AGEArrrgh, Carlsbad Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Happy Birthday Nininger things to see near Tucson
Ohand Happy Birthday Harvey!!! There will some awards presented in your behalf in just a couple of weeks. Daveagain (usually lurking) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Happy Birthday Nininger things to see near Tucson
Ohand Happy Birthday Harvey!!! There will some awards presented in your behalf in just a couple of weeks. Daveagain (usually lurking) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rock identification?
Tom AKA James Knudson wrote: Help, is this a rock or even better, a rock from up there? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN0533.jpg I don't know. Let's see the uncut side. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] strange people
David Freeman wrote: Dear Ken, I contacted this yard bird a few days ago noting the classification issue and that it looked questionable with out classification and that the piece probably was way over priced for a questionable rock not confirmed to be meteorite so he knows it is a suspicious item... He played the game of getting it classified/offered to have it done as a condition of salami doubt that this is anything other than a scam but new to this joker. Any time you see the seller and bidder(s) have a feedback of 1 or lessthat's a pretty good indication of shill bidding. But, then again half the links I hit went to some peregine flier site. ;-) (Just kidding Tom). Sorry for the bottom post reply to you all. ;-) Dave (ex-ebay anti-scam dude) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] strange people
Click on the seller's other auctions and notice who the high bidder is for each item. Dawson421. Guess I came out of a 4 year retirement tonight. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQgotopageZ1QQsassZjong0304QQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsosortpropertyZ1 Crucify 'em!!! Dave Any time you see the seller and bidder(s) have a feedback of 1 or lessthat's a pretty good indication of shill bidding. But, then again half the links I hit went to some peregine flier site. ;-) (Just kidding Tom). Sorry for the bottom post reply to you all. ;-) Dave (ex-ebay anti-scam dude) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Sacramento Mountains (was happy new years odd and ends)
Steve, isn't this meteorite from New Mexico instead of Arizona? Best, Dave Steve Arnold wrote: Also having more good news as I got home today,I had a package waiting for me.It was my 206 gram slice of the arizona meteorite, SACRAMENTO MOUNTAINS.I traded away 3 of my pieces to get this. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] tuscon schedule
Excuse me all for top posting but one thing that has driven me crazy for years is the spelling of TUCSON. I know, it's a small, trivial thing, but I've seen it all to often and it drives me crazy. Tucson is spelledT-U-C-S-O-Nnot Tuscon. Correct spelling might just aid you all in finding accommodations as well. Sorry to split hairs and hope all of you can make it. Dave stan . wrote: i searched the list briefly on this topic, soprry if this has already been discussed and i missed things. i know last year there was a central tuscon info web page run by one of the dealers who was kind enough to go through the effort of making such avalible. does any similar list exist for this year's tuscon? if not is there any listing of who is where, and what dates any planned events are going on? Thanks in advance. stan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Holidays
Happy Holidays to you too Rob (and family)! That was one kewl and masterful card you created. I loved it. Long live the Nakhladog. May he be with each and every one of us during this holiday season. Dave and family Rob Wesel wrote: http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Great Meteor Shower
Guess it's some kind of inversion OR something. (Not OF Sorry for the typo). It is an inversion. But, when we usually get these it gets down to sub-zero temps. Not this time for which we are thankful. Don't go in the fog. There's something in the fog. (Lousy acting by Adrian Barbeau in The Fog,) DNAndrews wrote: Nice and foggy here for the 5th day/night in a row. Guess it's some kind of inversion of something for the Little Colorado River Valley Authority. At least the inversion isn't dipping into the frigid temps. Enjoy you guys!!! David Freeman wrote: Ah roger will~co here, plenty of ooh's and aah's... ;-) SW Wyoming over and out. Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/13/2004 9:45:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kingman is having a good shower tonight. How are they in your area? I'm seeing a good one every couple of minutes. Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm Already a good show here in SC. Saw three that was very bright right in a row. Regards, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 380 Cleveland Street Pacolet, South Carolina 29372 Tel: (864) 578 5188 SPACE ROCKS, INC.: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.html ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Calendar.html GALLERY: http://www.meteoritegallery.com/gallery/rfsdmp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] eBay Fraud Alert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/2/2004 11:59:08 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically, almost ANYTHING/EVERYTHING that claims to be from either is likely to be a fraud. More than thatIT IS fraud. eBay and PayPal both have both emphatically stated over-and-over that they will NEVER request any account verification via email. If you receive something from either of them stating that they need you verify your account via emailIT'S FRAUD! Plain and simple. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) ebay,meteorite sale, and campos sales
Steve, Inquiring minds still want to knowwhat does a 2 for 1 sale actually mean? Everything is half-price? Double the price of the lowest TWO meteorites I want, pick another meteorite, double the price of it, divide byTWOsend ONE check? On your website it states, All prices firm and final. So what gives? What does 2 for 1 mean? Buy TWO, send ONE payment? There is no reference that I have found one your website that clarifies this. Curious Dave Still befuddled, Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello and good evening list.I have 2 auctions ending tomorrow about 9 pm chicago time.A 36 gram slice of nwa 1827, and a 56 gram half-stone of nwa 1879.I also 4 on going buy-it-now campos sales stones also.I have all the big stones if anyone wants them.They are all at a great low, low price per gram.And finally I have my holiday meteorite sale on till the end of the year.With a 2 for 1 on anything you want.I pay shipping anywhere. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you think one or more of our list members is a a little bit off or just plain whacky, then think again when one compares such folks to the seller, buyer and believers of this crap. I'm usually just a lurker, but all this Soggy-Boggy-Bottom Meteorite stuff has me in an uproar. Maybe they want to just share a gopher-on-a-stick or sing into a can . It just makes me just want to know why exactly they are here on this list cramming their crapola down our throat. Stellar grainswhat rock doesn't have those. For any Soggy-Bottom Meteorites...just come to my house. I have an entire backyard full of those critters and would very much like to get rid of them. Come on and haul them off at NO charge. My EX expected me to landscape the backyard with all these Martian and Lunar wonders, but she left and...oh wellnever got done. Now they are taking up room for OUR garden and I'll give them all away for free No million-dollars-per-gramabsolutely free. Get them out of my yard and they are yours for FREE No offer refused... Can we get back on track to METEORITES instead of who has the best eBay rating and talking about RIVER rocks!?!?!?!?!?! That's exactly what the Soggy-Bottom-Boys are sellingcommon river rocks. For me and Bernd Dave (Might as well sue me too shisters ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys
JKGwilliam wrote: I think this gets my vote for Post of the Week! Thanks to Dave for offering to share his Soggy Bottom-Boggy-Bottom meteorites with us. I have personally seen these wonderful stones and can attest to their pedigree...they are real Soggy-Boggy-Bottoms. Uh.speaking of that EX of yours Dave.uhdo you have a phone number for her;-) No prob Juanit's: 666-666-just leave a massage. ;-) May the Creek be with You! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys
I think this gets my vote for Post of the Week! Thanks to Dave for offering to share his Soggy Bottom-Boggy-Bottom meteorites with us. I have personally seen these wonderful stones and can attest to their pedigree...they are real Soggy-Boggy-Bottoms. Uh.speaking of that EX of yours Dave.uhdo you have a phone number for her;-) No prob Juanit's: 666-666-just leave a massage. ;-) May the Creek be with You! Incidentally, all my meteorites ( er.uhriver rocks), are guaranteed to have a Neon Flux value of -1.6 Nfx. That means that the solar/stellar grain value guarantees that they all have seen a bit on sunshine in their lifetime. All of my terrestrial stones are so clean that NASA wanted to know how I kept all terrestrial impurities out of my Soggy-Bottom Stones. Well, that's a question only George W. himself can answer...maybe Joel Warren if we are lucky. NASA brought all of their stones back to Earth using a clean capsule, but we found our CRAP (Chondrule Rampant Anal Peridot) lying in a wash and is much freer from contamination than those from the NASA ventures which cost billiions of dollars. Ours were there for a few billion years prior soaking in a slight Texas sewage mixture just for the taking...AKA...Soggy Creek. Absolutely pristene and free from all contaminants. There are NO contaminants from our water source either terrestrial or extra-terrestrial. The stellar grains (which we are numero uno in search engines) specifically states that these River Rocks are from some other place other than Texas. Therefore they must be lunar or martian since we are the neon isotope of the UNITED STATES OF TEXAS!!! Dino De La Russa __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Mapping Site?
Sorry Jeff, I just noticed the Topozone only works for the US. Dave DNAndrews wrote: Hi Jeff, http://www.topozone.com Works for me. You can choose from different coordinate formats as well. Dave Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day List, Can anyone point me in the direction of a good site which allows you to enter GPS co-ordinates which will then be displayed on a map? Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS Mapping Site?
Hi Jeff, http://www.topozone.com Works for me. You can choose from different coordinate formats as well. Dave Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day List, Can anyone point me in the direction of a good site which allows you to enter GPS co-ordinates which will then be displayed on a map? Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa 791
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I just received the most beautiful meteorite I have ever seen.I just got a 72 gram 100% fully fusion crusted individual I have ever seen.Thanks to greg hupe' for making this available when no one wanted it.And for $40, it was a steal.I know it is only an ordinary chondrite, but gorgeous.And it is orientated.Very smooth brownish-black all away around.Thanks again greg.Diffenetly, one of the best I have ever seen. Steve, I was lucky enough to scarf-up a 491g fully crusted individual of NWA 791 (L6) from the Hupes last year at the Bloody Tucson auction last year. Packed with dark crust and thumbprints galorea nice beauty indeed. I feel I was quite fortunate to be the high bidder of this stone at such a low price (which won't be disclosed). Thanks Greg and Adam. Best to all, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer and his Bush B Gone sale..
Mike, I think it's Sheriff Brody from the Jaws movies. AKA Roy Schieder. He must have moved to Texas though. ;-) Martin Brody wrote: Jesus wasn't your side, scumbag. If you could only see the smile on my face. LOL. You brought politics into your business, and now you will pay the price. Must be hard selling your private collection to pay your electric bill hehehehehehehe. Don't you have some flea infested march to go join now? - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: Martin Brody , Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer and his Bush B Gone sale.. Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:17:53 -0700 Anyone know who this retard is? Smoking a turd Must be a real Jesus loving Christian speaking there. - Original Message - From: Martin Brody mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer and his Bush B Gone sale.. Enjoy smoking a turd in the welfare line next to your hero John Kerry. You got what you deserved scumbag. -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- ___ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup http://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode=adsfreejump01 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?
David Freeman wrote: Dear Anne, List; Well I think that the meteorite that has been found closest to my backyard is the Rock Springs, that same name is the town that I live in! How many people live in the same town that has a meteorite named after it? Methe Hooterville Meteorite. (aka Holbrook) ;-) Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know which meteorite came closest to your backyard? Yes, I do. ;-) Wiseguy Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dos cabezas
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Does anyone have any dos cabezas forsale?I am looking for a 40 to 50 gram piece. Shoot, I was ecstatic with my little 5 gm. piece as a gift from the magnificent JB. 40-50 gms.? Good luck! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2005 Teaser + Denver Thanks
Thanks Geoff, It's good to know these dates in advance. Reservations are forth-coming. You're alrightI don't care what the other Ssteve says. ;-) No-one Dave Notkin wrote: Greetings Dear Listees: It was a treat to see many of you in Denver, Colorado last weekend. I came down with a bad cold towards the end of the show, so apologies to those I missed and those I did not get to say goodbye to. Special thanks -- as always -- to the Denver gang, including: Mike and Bill Jensen, Fred Hall and family, Anne Black, Dan Wray et al, for being such excellent hosts. Also to Blaine and Blake Reed for hospitality above and beyond in their showrooms, and to the mighty Edwin E.T. Thompson who is a first class bartender and mixes one heck of a good margarita! I took a few photos, which I'll try to get around to posting this week. In other news: I know many of you like to make your annual Tucson travel plans way in advance, and so -- after careful consultation with Allan Lang, Michael Blood, and Darryl Pitt -- I would like to provide you with the following teaser of Tucson 2005 show events: FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 4, 2005 [Evening] All are invited to attend the Sixth Annual Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash Harvey Awards at 8 pm. Location of the event is TBA. After three years at the La Fuente restaurant, we are considering a change of venue for the following reasons: we've outgrown the big room at La Fuente; the nearby Vagabond Inn (formerly the Ramada University and home to Blaine Reed Meteorites) is no longer a show venue; and also because we'd just like to find somewhere a little more interesting and unusual. Details to follow. SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2005 [Afternoon] Allan Lang will host an auction of exceptional meteorites from the R.A. Langheinrich Meteorite Collection at the elegant Westward Look Resort on Ina Road, Saturday afternoon at 2:30 pm. An online catalog of specimens will be posted at www.nyrockman.com closer to the event. SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2005 [Evening] Michael Blood's ever-popular People's Meteorite Auction will take place at the VFW Hall, Post 4903, 1150 N. Beverly Avenue on the Saturday evening. This is the same location as the 2004 auction. The new hall was a big hit with everyone due to its spacious event room and full cash bar. An online catalog of specimens will be posted at www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com closer to the event. SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 2005 [Morning] Darryl Pitt's Macovich Collection meteorite auction will return to the sunny InnSuites lawn after a one year hiatus, on the Sunday morning. An online catalog of specimens will be posted at www.macovich.com closer to the event. SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 2005 [Afternoon] Allan Lang and colleagues present a very special free event: You are invited to meet Apollo astronaut, moon walker, and celebrated geologist Dr. Harrison Jack Schmitt when he appears in person at the Westward Look Resort on the Sunday afternoon. Details: http://www.nyrockman.com/tucson-2005.htm The 2005 Tucson Gem and Mineral show opens in just about four months from today, so start saving your pennies! Finally, Steve Arnold IMB and I will be very happy with a couple of large, thin slices of the new Russian pallasite for those who absolutely feel the need to bring us birthday gifts. Thanks! : ) Best regards to all, Geoff N. www.notkin.net www.paleozoic.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nova petropolis
Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi again list.As a follow up to my earlier quetion on nova petropolis, are there any other collecters who have any of this meteorite besides me and mike farmer?Just wondering. Hey Steve, Sounds like a great piece for a weekend give-a-way. Of course I'll pay postage. Let me know, Thanks, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Re: More Unsubstantiated Allegations
Bernhard Rems wrote: Hmm... I never saw that Michael made accusations against Mauro Daniel. I can remember that he accused a certain Matteo - but this Matteo was banned from the list, if I remember correctly (or he said he would leave forever, don't quite remember), so I really don't understand what Mr. Daniel says here, especially as he always insisted on NOT being Matteo). This is a strange day today. Must be something in the air... Hi Bernhard, Yes, a strange day indeed. It's not a full moon either is it? Just like Mr. Brody saying he's not the infamous Joel Warren who was banned of the past. He admitted he always stuck up for Mike Farmer (just like Joel), but through the list archives only. I only signed up to stick up for my bro George Dubya. Yeah right. Guess everyone just gets addicted to this list and will do anything to get back on and stir some more...well...you know what. Now we have some Argentinian-Karaoke-list-terrorist running amuk. I sure hope he gets his unsubscribe request approved soon. Best for a non-political, non-hate email weekend, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Denver Show
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will always have some stuff in the trunk of my car. And you can always call me: 303-503-9496 And you still drive a Saturn, right? ;-) Dave (with crow bar). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush-b-Gone sale
This should shed some light on the upcoming electionand debates. Hope you haven't seen it. If on a dial-up connection, be patientit's worth the wait. ;-) http://www.jibjab.com/play.asp?contentid=162 Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beer 'n' meteorites
John K. Gwilliam wrote: I'd prefer something domestic. How about an amber ale made with Holbrook? Better yet, if someone is really serious about brewing a batch for the next Tucson Show, I might be willing to donate a small piece of Beer Bottle Pass as an ingredient. And make it cold...very cold. Rob wouldn't like that. For him it has to be body warmth to drink. No further discussion on that. But, for anyone brewing a Holbrook Ale let me know, as I have lots of material to spare for the ventureTucson that is. I'm sure it's much more inexpensive than the Margaritas at Las Fuentes. ;-) Still here Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Where Were You When It Happened...delete now it's from me
I was 12 at the time and staying at my grand parents house in Carlsbad, New Mexico (where I was born and raised...not Holbrook). They had a nice color console TV then as my aunt lived with them and she was a little more hi-tech than they were. Anyway, I remember my grandma asking, What are you watching? as she was quilting, crocheting or whatever she was doing. When we told her that we were watching men walking on the moon, she replied, That's impossible! I don't believe that. We told her to watch the TV, it's therethey are doing it now. She refused to believe it all. She probably would have made a good Capricorn 1 conspirator. ;-) BTW-I remember the first color TV show that I had viewedBonanza, about 1961 or 2? The quality wasn't that good as everyone was kind of purple and lots of green (Loren) in the background. I do remember SkyKing in black and whiteit was one of my faves. OK, I'm done. Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MLBLOOD?
Greetings listees, Surely someone on this list knows of a list member, meteorite collector, or even someone in which a Michael Blood metlist post had been forwarded to, from ROMANIA? This where the MBLOOD virus/worms are originating from. They are from a person in Romania who uses a IP of cb.ess.ro. That stands for Eastern Space Systems in or near Bucharest. If you know of such a person, could you please notify this individual that their PC is infected? It's the only way it's going to stop. Thanks and have a great weekend, Dave (who has calmed down now) meteoriteshow wrote: I experienced the same yesterday Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Ryan Darby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] MLBLOOD? A lot of mail is being sent from [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect you have some sort of virus. They are empty with text attachments. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Matteo and his lack of humor
I agree. These guys that defend Matteo, are anonymous...Stan...Brahindavethey use hotmail and netscape addresses, but have a much larger ISP. If you are paying these ISP's for such a service (Internet Providers), why use Hotmail and Netscape? Don't they have email services for you? Kind of seems like a waste of money or you guys have something to hide? Matteo has been asked many times to let let Ken of the IMCA handle the eBay fraud stuff...but Matteo keeps on and on sending his degrading and hostile emails to these sellers. What does it take? He's been asked many times to cool it We've run out of patience and frankly, anyone with these anonymous email addresses isn't going to change our minds. The rules are rules and he continues to break them. No, they aren't US Lawsthey are the rules of the IMCA. An organization he is a member of. (for now). Sorry Stan and Brahindave, I'm not afraid to put my name on my emails. It just seems like someone is trying to hide something here. Dave (Dave Andrews...not afaid to put my whole name on my emails...also can't wait to see my picture on the IDIOTProudTom site) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This did not make it through, so I will try again I agree with Mike. He is our problem. We have a guy who has been asked to leave the list, yet continues to post under assumed names and e-mail addresses, his latest with the names of other businesses attached (mine). Yet people continue to defend him. Do the defenders of Matteo believe he has a right to post at all costs? What if it was you or your business he maligned? I think he is mostly a fraud with no life, and we are unfortunately stuck with him until he runs out of e-mail addresses. Art, please contact me off-list for a large donation to help solve this problem. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1933
Matt River wrote: Any of you have look Dhofar 008 Have many + chondrules. Look the piece in the Comet Shop site http://www.meteorites21.com/dhofar08.htm I have a fantastic slice in my collection and is full of multicolor chondrules. Whatever you say Matt(eo). __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Meteorites from A to Z
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are heading to Holbrook as we speak to do some meteorite hunting with Dave Andrews and Bob Holmes. We will be a little slow in answering the emails but should be able to send them out fairly quickly. It will be interesting to see the ratio of time spent acutally hunting, and the time spent at the Empty Pockets Saloon (the official pub of the Holbrook Strewnfield). Either way, I look forward to it. I've already altered the doorways and bed frames to accommodate Bill. Seriously, if I can pass a message on to these two (or Bob too), feel free to email me and I'll make sure they receive it. Best to all...see ya next week! Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Virus warning!!
Hi Mark and list, (Sorry Art I know we're not supposed to talk about this on the list). Looks like it's already made the list. I just got a returned message or failure notice for a message I never sent to a [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The address was spoofed to make me look like the sender. The body.pif file was the intended payload. I traced the header information to the real sender: Received: from sgrelayg1.core.theplanet.net (195.92.195.145) by indium.smartgroups.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 16:56:18 - Received: from aputeaux-115-1-3-220.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr ([193.251.71.220] Bruno Drouet is the owner of this domain. Not sure if he's the owner of the IP address though. Beware out there and update your virus programs! Dave mark ford wrote: There is a particularly nasty virus doing the rounds at the moment Called W32/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you see anything that matches the following, delete it: From: (spoofed email sender) - to spoof (v): to fool. In this context, it means the message may appear to come from someone you know. It probably didn't. Subject: any of the following... Error Status Server Report Mail Transaction Failed Mail Delivery System hello hi Body: any of the following... The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ascii encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment Mail transaction failed. Partial message is available Attachment: any of the following, but can be random... doc.bat document.zip message.zip readme.zip text.pif hello.cmd body.scr test.htm.pif data.txt.exe file.scr The attachment icon will make it look like a text file. Don't open it. If in doubt, chuck it out! Regards, MARK __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re:The Italian Job Part II ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, do not post anything from that mental midget. Praise the meteorite Gods that he is OFF THIS LIST! Thank You, Fred Hall Ditto that Fred! I've had my fill. I hope it wasn't something I said. ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] UK Fall statistics..
mark ford wrote: So it indeed appears we (UK) are 'over due' for a fall, statistically anyway, especially since it was 22 years between the last two and 17 years since the last one and they should average 11.8 years. Hi Mark, Wasn't Leighlinbridge a fall? November 1999. Best, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: The same I task of meteorites found in America, for me is all imported from the desert and strangely found in USA deserts, and strangely I am not the only one to think them but also persons of some laboratories that strange eh? However I will report several to the European dealers - all serious ones to 100% at the moment, while for the moment the only problems that I have had have been alone with Americans - about what some personages think about they. And all this from a person that allegedly posed a Pultusk for a Tessera Backyard Meteorite. You never cease to amaze me Matteo. Why are you still here? I thought you unsubscribed over a month ago. It's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike and others, I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times. From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make. If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the list also...without a problem. My apologies to all...including Matteo, I agree whole-heartedly John. I miss Bernd too, as he was the DataHound/Librarian of our list and he is/will be sorely missed. It's a shame it came to this to make him leave. However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me! Lido de Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Martin Altmann wrote: the European dealers should be proud of Matteo and his rants. ??? and the US-dealers of their prices? Martin A. Are European dealers cheaper??? I must have missed that little tid-bit somewhere during the last few years. They (American slime), sure don't seem anymore expensive than European dealers during the Tucson show. Quite the contary to what I've seen. Guess we'll see in a couple of weeks. Time will tell. Best wishes, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] update on dos cabezes
They are all on the list. Twink, Jim, Bob Boors, Goldstalkers and of course, John Blennert (the original finder of DC). I have my piece which I thank John very much for. Thanks Johnny! I'll never sell it. See ya in Tucson!!! People that give me gifts, I don't sell them. I keep them because they are that... gifts. Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I am wondering if anyone can give me an update on dos cabezas?Back in june, twink monrad called me and said that they had found another 77 grams of dos cabezas.But after that there was no more follow up.I am wondering if anyone ever found out any more.Can someone please let me know?Just curious for my own info. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] update on dos cabezes
What you did with Bob Verish's Nevada Meteorite Puzzle was criminal! IMHO. I sure hope no one ever sells anything like that again. DNAndrews wrote: They are all on the list. Twink, Jim, Bob Boors, Goldstalkers and of course, John Blennert (the original finder of DC). I have my piece which I thank John very much for. Thanks Johnny! I'll never sell it. See ya in Tucson!!! People that give me gifts, I don't sell them. I keep them because they are that... gifts. Dave Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello list.I am wondering if anyone can give me an update on dos cabezas?Back in june, twink monrad called me and said that they had found another 77 grams of dos cabezas.But after that there was no more follow up.I am wondering if anyone ever found out any more.Can someone please let me know?Just curious for my own info. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Ebay Name Change/ Plus 88 great auctions Running Now!
Michael Cottingham wrote: Also, I have 88 Auctions running right now...many with BUT IT NOW features. Go to: But It Now?. How does one do that? :-) I'm afraid to ask. Wise-Arse-Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning Will Smith
It makes me want to join Matty's group just to see who the members are and see what photos there are. Dave David Freeman wrote: Dear Matteo, Talk to the hand, the ears do not listen! :-) Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fire ball spotted!
Dear Comcast Mail, Could you please repair you identity in your email program to reflect who you really are, Bob? Thanks, Dave Comcast Mail wrote: Hello list, This evening driving home from work I spotted a meteor that appeared to fall vertically a bit east of Plainfield Illinois. It wasnt a big fireball . more of a thin line, but died out approx 20 Degrees from the surface of the earth. I wondered if there was any way to determine the mass of such a fireball. Would appreciate your opinions Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dirty laundry
Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hello Jim Strope! You have the same initials as the guy I was thinking of but it is not you! I tried to think if there was anyone else with the initials JS and forgot about you, sorry : 0 I know Jack Schitt! ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nantan
My guess? Indochiniteand a very expensive one at that! ;-) Tim Gingell wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong but is this not just a tektite. Tim http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2206201663category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2206201663category=3239 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] pinto mtns.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bet the 5th editon of the catalogue of meteorites has it...probably on page 404. Might even say 1954...17.9 KG Riverside co. Meteorites from A to Z does mention it to. Page 86 I bet it looks just like this book here: ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2199762509 Best, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
