Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine 20 Year Anniversary Issue
Thanks Paul and Jim for all the great magazines and hard work! Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Harris via Meteorite-list To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Sun, May 15, 2022 8:36 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine 20 Year Anniversary Issue Hello Everyone, The May issue of Meteorite Times is now up. It's hard to believe that this is our 20 year anniversary issue. Our first issue was in April 2002 back when Meteorite Times was monthly. We'd like to give a special thank you to all of the writers over the years who have contributed articles to Meteorite Times. And a special thank you to Martin Horejsi, James Tobin, John Kashuba, and Mitch Noda for their continued article support. With the May issue we have a new web hosting company providing better performance and as our old template was not being supported anymore I have created a new template using Elementor with an updated look but same layout functionality. If anyone notices any errors or strange behavior please contact me off list. https://www.meteorite-times.com/ Enjoy! Paul and Jim __ RARE CANYON DIABLO METEORITE Bonhams Natural History auction on May 17 offers 50+ lots of stellar planetary meteorite specimens, including a complete Canyon Diablo example with superb regmaglypts. Browse the auction and register to bid online. Link: https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27482/lot/3386/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ RARE CANYON DIABLO METEORITE Bonhams Natural History auction on May 17 offers 50+ lots of stellar planetary meteorite specimens, including a complete Canyon Diablo example with superb regmaglypts. Browse the auction and register to bid online. Link: https://www.bonhams.com/auction/27482/lot/3386/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] sad news from Twink Monrad
I am so very sorry to hear that. Steve was a wonderful and fun guy. My sincere condolences. Sonny -Original Message- From: Lawrence Monrad via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Mar 29, 2022 8:10 am Subject: [meteorite-list] sad news from Twink Monrad I have some sad news to report. Steve Smith of Virginia passed away yesterday after a battle with cancer.He and Vickie were enthusiastic members of the meteorite world and were loyal and regular visitors to the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show. Many of us who became friends of theirs will remember their humor, kindness and all around goodness. Twink Monrad | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales
Hi Dennis, if you are looking for Portales Valley and you want to contact me off list I know someone who has some of the most beautiful slices. I can put you in touch with him. Sonny Clary wahlpe...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Frank Cressy via Meteorite-list To: dennis beatty Cc: meteorite list Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 8:48 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Portales Hi Dennis, I assume you are looking for Portales Valley, the H7 metallic melt breccia that is a witnessed fall? However, there are 4 "Portales meteorites; Portales(a), Portales(b), Portales(c), and Portales Valley. Price on Portales Valley depends on whether it is all stone or shows metallic veining. Not real common to find full slices now, but Meteorite Market has some part slices for sale at about $40/gram. All the best, Frank On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:28 AM, dennis beatty via Meteorite-list wrote: I am interested in purchasing a whole slice of Portales. Can someone direct me to a good source...and let me know what I might expect to pay? Thanks! Dennis Beatty __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins
Hi Karlis, The owner of the Land has closed the road leading to the ruins and posted no trespassing. We were told that they are worried about the building collapsing and possibly injuring someone. Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: Meteoriti.LV via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Jul 21, 2017 10:02 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins Dear Friends, Could somebody tell if that is possible and how to reach the Ruins of the old Nininger's Meteorite Museum? I heard that the road is closed but is there any way to visit a place? In a few weeks time we will visit US for the great Solar Eclipse and we have included Barringer crater in our car trip. I have never been there at the site so I would appreciate any advise. Thanks! Best Regards, Karlis Berzins Meteoriti.LV __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolivia Meteorite Adventure
Hi Greg, Great story way to go! Sonny -Original Message- From: Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2016 8:51 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolivia Meteorite Adventure Bolivia Meteorite AdventureBy Gregory M. HupeOn November 20, 2016 a massive meteorite event took place over Aiquile, Bolivia at approximately 5:00 p.m. local time. While still daylight, Quechua Indian eyewitnesses saw ‘corkscrew’ smoke trails and heard ‘whooshing’ noises followed by sonic booms and then stones literally falling at their feet!Michael Farmer and I went to Aiquile to hunt for meteorites and attempt to acquire stones from the inhabitants. Things didn’t quite work out that way…Welcome to Aiquile Bolivia.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia1.jpgPossibly the main mass, an approximately 35-kilogram impactor.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia2.jpgTown Square in center of Aiquile.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia3.jpgCharango guitar with caballero and bull sculpture in the town square.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia4.jpgIt would take us over two weeks after the fall to fly to Bolivia due to Mike’s yearly show commitment in Japan. Just 24 hours at home after returning from the show, Michael flew to Florida to meet me. On December 8th we began our journey to South America from Miami. Our travels would take us by air to Aiquile by way of La Paz and then on to Cochabamba and then by private hire to Aiquile. With no sleep for over 30 hours of travel from home to the dusty town near the strewnfield, we were exhausted but too excited to rest. We went right to work meeting with fellow meteorite hunter, Dario Ruiz, who had been there for two weeks. He introduced us to individuals about hunting for meteorites or buying some, but our hopes were quickly dampened by the news of the town’s government putting up road blocks to deny access to the strewnfield. It turns out that the officials were confiscating stones from the Quechua finders which put them in a panic and afraid to talk to outsiders. Things quickly became complicated.Dario, Michael and Greg in Aiquile.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia5.jpgView looking up the Aiquile strewnfield from the Quechua trail.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia6.jpgCactus are a common beauty in the strewnfield.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia7.jpgWe realized we were not going to be able to hunt for stones ourselves without the threat of arrest, or far worse, physical harm from protective villagers we were told may use force to stop outsiders from hunting. Knowing this, we immediately went to ‘Plan B’ and were granted secret meetings with owners of pieces from the fall. To our thrill and amazement, we were able to see several stones ranging from small broken fragments to large kilo-sized pieces. Throughout the 48-hours we were on site we were told of several large pieces included a 50-kilo ‘Puzzle Stone’ which we believe to be just rumor as is consistent with most falls.Reflecting upon a fresh meteorite.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia8.jpg100-plus gram fragment.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia9.jpgSame 100-gram fragment displaying ‘Slickensides’.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia10.jpgInterior indicating a shocked high metal H Chondrite.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia11.jpgOn our second day we had an early start with a scheduled meeting to see some stones, but being on ‘Bolivia time’ we sat for several hours waiting, waiting and waiting some more. To keep us from leaving and going to other contacts, our new friend entertained us with some guitar play dressed in his caballero ranch clothing made of javelina, lama and other durable animal skins. Aiquile is known as the ‘Capitol of Charango’ (guitar) where the guitar is manufactured. It was nice to enjoy this flavor of music high in the mountain village.Local Quechua playing a Charango guitar.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia12.jpgVideo of the music of Bolivian friendship:http://www.naturesvault.net/Videos/AiquileBoliviaVideo1.mp4Newly fallen meteorite with Charango guitar.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileBolivia/AiquileBolivia13.jpgNoon was soon upon us with nobody bearing stones for us to consider so we walked down the street for lunch and chose one of a few street vendors offering potatoes and sausage. We ventured to the local market and town square for a little tourism while we were there. The meal was very tasty and the sightseeing was nice but we were eager to get back to work.Quechua offering an assortment of foods.http://www.naturesvault.net/Images/AiquileB
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Hi Doug and list, Wow what a great meteorite hunting adventure. Thank god you had the survival pack of Oatmeal cream pies and strawberry treat cakes to help make it through the night! Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Sat, Apr 30, 2016 12:00 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola Contributed by: Mexico Doug http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/30/2016 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite
: ) -Original Message- From: Linton Rohr via Meteorite-list To: Jim Wooddell Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 2:10 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite Hi folks, I just came across this old thread regarding the Old Woman's "potential sisters". I'm wondering if there's been any further developments on their recovery. We stopped by the Barstow Discovery Center last week, intending to visit the main mass again, but had forgotten that they're closed on Mondays. Argh. Next time for sure! Linton -Original Message- From: Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:55 PM To: Carl Agee Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite Hi Carl! I agree it is good where it's at. I really appreciated the opportunity to touch and see the Old Woman Meteorite. The girl in the office gave me the evil eye when I tried to roll it out of the BLM building! She thought I was joking around! ;) If there truly are additional pieces of the old gal, some one ought to go get it and re-unite them. I think UCLA should be jumping all over this with a vengeance. Funds could be raised to retrieve these. Russia would do it, I bet! I volunteer to be part of the ground crew and donate money to help make it happen by a qualified organization Won't believe it until I see pictures. Hiding something like this is nuts! I am mean really. Now back to watching epoxy cure! I need to call you next week. Jim On 5/21/2014 2:20 PM, Carl Agee wrote: > I think the Old Woman could be in worse hands. Last time I checked the > Smithsonian was our county's repository for national treasures -- > i.e., it belongs to all Americans. I certainly enjoyed seeing the full > slice on my last visit there -- also good to know that the main mass > is on display in California for tourists to appreciate. > > Carl Agee > * > Carl B. Agee > Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics > Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences > MSC03 2050 > University of New Mexico > Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 > > Tel: (505) 750-7172 > Fax: (505) 277-3577 > Email: a...@unm.edu > http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ > > > > On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Hi Sonny, >> >> I thought the miners..or one of them passed? >> >> Let's go get it! Did they say how big the other pieces are? >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> On 5/21/2014 10:58 AM, wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list wrote: >>> Hey Adam and list >>> >>>> Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. >>> Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. >>> >>> With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third >>> piece >>> has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have >>> tried >>> to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite >>> would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would >>> be >>> a great case to challenge in court. >>> >>> Sonny >>> >>> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] First look inside new meteorite from Crosbyton, TX fireball
Hi List, We just received this meteorite back from TCU. Here it is, a look inside this beautiful freshly fallen meteorite that Terry Scott and I recovered near Crosbyton, TX after the Feb. 18, 2016 fireball. The meteorite is pristine with a beautiful light grey matrix loaded with chondrules and metal flakes. Official name and classification still pending. The images are also on my Facebook page where they appear a little clearer. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Crosbyton_Texas_Fireball_2016.html Sonny __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Hi Rob/All I know Doug has been working very hard for the new find / finds! Way to go Doug and everyone involved in the great recovery! Sonny -Original Message- From: Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Thu, Apr 14, 2016 11:42 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Hi Sonny/All, Note the label on the picture: Osceola #8. Doug is letting us in on a little secret he's been holding onto for the last 6 weeks or so -- that he knows the pictured find is #8 means that he ~also~ found #7, since previously only six finds were known. :-) Like Larry and Mike's team, Doug put in a lot of days out there, and would probably be there now if not for a serious injury suffered during the course of his efforts. I'd wish him a speedy recovery, but given the amount of time he's already been laid up, that ship has sailed. So instead I'll wish for Doug that each day is a little bit better than the last and that a full recovery isn't too far off. --Rob -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:25 AM To: valpar...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mexicod...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Hi Doug, Great find? How many hours for your meteorite find? Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2016 1:00 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola Contributed by: Mexico Doug http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/13/2016 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Hi Doug, Great find? How many hours for your meteorite find? Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Apr 13, 2016 1:00 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Osceola Contributed by: Mexico Doug http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=04/13/2016 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite hunt
Thanks for all of the nice replies. I wanted to also thank Mendy for getting an early start and driving out to the area and helping out. We were also joined by Richard Garcia who was only able to hunt one day. Richard drove all the way from California. He got to hunt one day (unfortunately the day it rained) and then had to leave early due to an unexpected emergency at Home. It was nice to see so many great meteorite hunters in one place and hear their wonderful stories. Sonny __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Texas Meteorite from the February 2016 fireball
Hi List, I would like to announce the discovery of a new meteorite from the February 2016 Texas fireball. This find was made possible by a collaboration of efforts from many individuals. Thanks to everyone involved. Special congratulations to Terry Scott. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_meteorite_hunts_nevadameteorites.html __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Osceola/Lake City Florida
Hi Mike and Larry, Great report, congratulations on all the finds! Sonny -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2016 5:35 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Osceola/Lake City Florida Hello List,I'm happy to announce the recovery of the January 24 event over northern Florida. For the complete story, please go to http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/osceola-meteorite-recovery/Enjoy!Sincerely,Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm __Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bob's new Indian Butte find
Hi List , For those of you not on Facebook here is a link to Bob Grueneberg's recent Indian Butte find. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for Tucson Meteorite vendor list.
Hi All, Looking for the meteorite vendor list for Tucson. Thanks, Sonny __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] K9 unit to search for meteorites / Brix's pups/
Hi David and List, What a great story. Brix is now seven years old and still loves to train on finding meteorites. Any dog with a high prey drive can find meteorites. I was reading a story about Conservation Dogs http://www.conservationdogs.com when the idea came up on K9's finding meteorites. These dogs can be trained to find almost anything. I was able to contact one of the trainers to ask for help training. Most of the trainers would not tell me how they were training the Conservation dogs. One of the trainers finally said they used the Cadaver dog handbook for starting the dogs on scent training. One of Brix's favorite games is to have me dig three different holes in my training pit. I then place his toy in the hole and cover it up. While I am hiding the toy Brix is placed on the side of the house out of view of the sand pit. Within seconds he easily detects the ball. Anything is possible with these dogs. Brix is great at finding Chondrites. I would like to teach him how to detect iron meteorites. Brix has 3 beautiful Pure Bred German Shepherd puppies available for adoption. They are 11 weeks old and are AKC UKC registered. If anyone is interested I can put you in contact with the owner of the Female who has the pups. These dogs have potential to be excellent meteorite K9's as well as being full protection dogs and or service dogs. Sonny nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: David Allepuz via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Sat, Dec 12, 2015 8:47 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] K9 unit to search for meteorites Hello, Now it's public. A K9 police unit has been specifically trained to search for meteorites as part of an experiment to find the limits of canine detection possibilities. http://www.doogweb.es/2015/12/09/perros-detectores-de-meteoritos/ We have been part of these project and are amazed with the results. Proof test have been conducted with different meteorites and climatic conditions: Amazing, Kaly marks also meteorites he was not trained for. Meteorites that we bring as our particular test. A first field attemp in Villalbeto de la Peña was conducted without result (cerfifying there is no one more? as we have visited the area dozens of times without success) Now we only need a new fall. Sorry, Bingol would not work, Kaly is trained to search Chondrites. Great notice for Brix and Hopper: Kaly is a female! David Allepuz www.meteorits.cat www.cazameteoritos.es www.meteorite.land IMCA #1496 --- Aquest correu electrònic s'ha verificat mitjançant l'Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Outstanding 100 % fully crusted Creston complete individual
Hi List, I just returned from hunting for the Creston meteorite. Our team spent 5 days (3 guys) hunting on the first trip and 3 days ( 4 guys) on the second trip . There was a total of 230 man hours spent in the field hunting. This was a very tough hunt. Every piece of land was private property and we spent an extensive amount of time securing permission to hunt these fields. On the first trip we recovered two meteorites; 102 and 82 gram pieces. Both of these pieces are spoken for. Another stone was acquired on our second trip. It weighs 72.6 grams and is a beautiful 100% fully crusted individual. It has flow lines down both sides and a roll over lip. It is shaped like an axe head with fusion crusted chondrules peeking out from under the crust. This is truly a spectacular piece and is the only complete specimen for sale from this fall to date. To my knowledge there has been a total of 6 stones recovered from this fall with a TKW of 852.3 grams. This total includes the three stones mentioned above. This was a very tough hunt and there were many hunters out in the fields over the past week. Again as far as I know there was only 6 stones recovered. I hope to post some pictures from the hunt over the next few days. If you are interested in the complete individual you can see it on mine or Terry Scott's Facebook page or check back on my website www.nevadameteorites.com in a couple of days. I am going to take more photos of it tomorrow and then post them on my website along with some trip pictures of the team. I want to give a special congratulations to Terry Scott for finding these beautiful stones. His first find was made less than 24 hours after the initial Creston meteorite was found. This hunt was successful from the combined efforts of all of those involved. If you are interested in this stone contact off list for pricing. Sonny Clary __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Time for change - here in US (was, Re: something about Las Vegas)
researchers outside of theUSA. Again, that was stated in my article, as well.Your defense of USgeochemists is commendable, but unnecessary in this instance. I don't need toask their position on this funding matter. It's well documented. But maybe weshould also ask the opinion of other researchers, maybe even outside of theMetSoc. Maybe even outside of the USA. Ask them what they think about us notrecording or documenting (let alone not classifying) newly found meteorites. Researchers like those that are studying the rate of influx and number offalls per unit area. And other researchers such as those that are interested inknowing exactly how many small meteoroids are flying around in the vicinity ofour astronauts. We should ask all of them. We should ask all thestakeholders. Even US taxpayers, who are stakeholders as well, because I'm surethey are assuming their tax dollars are being spent wisely on protecting themfrom meteoroids hitting them. I'm sure all of these various people arecounting on us to do our job in this regard, and not to literally ignore foundmeteorites. I've been waiting for one of the other old-timers to make thisrealization and make a comment, but I'm getting more impatient as I get older.So, I'll say it now. It wasn't that long ago that we, as USmeteorite-hunters, were thanking our lucky stars that we didn't have to dealwith all of the stifling regulations that our comrades in Australia and Canadawere having to put-up with. But they made some crucial adjustments in theirculture and now those countries are experiencing a golden age inmeteorite-recovery. It's amazing how fast things have turned 180 degrees. Bob V. P.S. - please allow me to update this table of recoverydata:Stewart Valley - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 6different classifications, only the H6 and L6 are paired. Where's thebeef? Tungston Mountain - over 700 recorded finds, only 22 in the MBD, 10are unpaired, the eight H4s are probably paired. Still no justification for acomplaint. Lucerne Valley - over120 meteorites, CK are the majority of the 66classifieds, but there were 5 unique classes in the first 7 finds, 9 in 12, 10in 15. Coyote Dry lake - over 350 recorded finds, only 82 are in MBD, so far56 of these are classified. >8 unique classes. No one has done a pairingstudy.Stump Springs 130 field-numbered finds, only 84 provisional numbers,only 1 classified find. No strewn-field data is published.Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments, and only one classification. Worlds only one meteoritedry lake! Was there any strewn-field data recorded?There still is no estimateof how many original masses formed all of these clusters of fragments, or theirlocations. This is one big fuster cluck. On Tue, 9/15/15, wahlperry---via Meteorite-list wrote: Subject: Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. To:raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date:Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 1:53 PM Hi Bob, Adam and List, >This is aconcern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on thissubject in three separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here aresome US chondrites that need to be classified." >Still haven't received anyoffers deleted Stewart Valley TBR plus finds finds, TungstonMountain TBR meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites CoyoteDry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments more deletions __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.
Hi Carl, What ever happened with your Cat Mountain meteorite? Here Kitty Kitty! Sonny -Original Message- From: Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list To: bigjohnshea ; Larry Atkins ; Robert Verish Cc: Robert Verish via Meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find. List, A word of warning; if you are in the Vegas area DO NOT let it leave yourhands or chances are you will never see it again anyway . Justsayin!Carl--Love & Life Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote: > No Larry, > There actually is aproblem. > John's "opinion" is a common misconception that I even held until Ipersonally learned of this recent trend. > This is a concern that others haveshared with me, and has prompted me to write on this subject in three >separate articles, which essentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondritesthat need to be classified." > Still haven't received any offers. > > Myrequest still stands. > I would like to hear from people with recent experiencein this area that can point me in the direction of > a cheap classifier thatstill accepts small, ordinary chondrites. > I suspect when I find one it willbe outside the US. > > Bob V.> >> On Tue, 9/15/15, Larry Atkins viaMeteorite-list wrote:> > Subject: Re:[meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew a find.> To:bigjohns...@mail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Cc:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2015, 5:28AM> > Hi John, List,> > You may be right about not having a problemgetting a US chondrite classified, however, > if it was found in the Mojavedesert it is likely to get a number instead of a name.> Unfortunately, Nom Comwill likely lump it in with the nearest DCA, > > I'm wondering how muchlonger it will be before the entire Mojave desert is one big> DCA like NWA?> > > > Sincerely,> Larry Atkins> > IMCA # 1941> Ebay alienrockfarm> > > > -Original> Message-> From:Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list > To:mstreman53 > Cc: Meteorite Mailing List> Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 5:07 am> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.> > > I'd love to see a photo also, but I live in Philadelphia so Iwon't be> seeingthis in person. :-) That aside,I'm assuming from> your postthat this is a"chondrite" native to the> USA, and not just another NWA. I haveabout 25> NWA'sundergoing classification now, and I have more> I'd like toget classified but itis indeed hard to find> a lab that will work on NWAs thatlook like obvious OCs. I> think that is a mistake on their part, because thereare so> many uniquethings to be found in meteorites. > In my opinion, manylabs would thinkdifferently about a> "native" US chondrite, than an NWAchondrite. I> do notthink you will have trouble finding a home for it if> it is a USA find. Cheers,John > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 at 5:47PMFrom: "MEM viaMeteorite-list"> To: "Meteorite> MailingList"Subject: [meteorite-list]> Local toLasVegas expert needed to rewiew a find.I am in> contact with a Las Vegasresidentwho has, by all appearances> fair-sized, fresh chondrite. If you arewillingand able to> inspect in person and get her stone into the system,> pleasesend me your contact information for forwarding. Pics> onrequest.Regards,Elton> __> >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and theArchives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailinglist> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visitour Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind.
Hi Bob, Adam and List, >This is a concern that others have shared with me, and has prompted me to >write on this subject in three >separate articles, which essentially said, >"Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to be classified." >Still haven't >received any offers Do you think that the scientists that are classifying these stones have been overwhelmed by the high number of stones coming from the same recovery area? Even when meteorites are found within a known area the finders often feel that they are different and are eager to have them classified. Many of the stones are obviously paired and it may not make financial sense for the scientists to spend time and resources on each individual stone. I do realize that their have been stones found that are uniquely different than others in the same dense collection area. I believe those should be classified without a doubt. What I am trying to decide at what point does classifying each tiny fragment become excessive? Maybe we should ask the Scientists that do the classifications what their opinion is. Stewart Valley 120 plus finds finds, Tungston Mountain 600 meteorites/ fragments Lucerne Valley 124 meteorites Yelland Dry lake Hundreds of fragments Coyote Dry lake 341 meteorites Stump Springs 130 plus meteorites >I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh >type >3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very first >meteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have been >serial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lake >bed finds interfered with the classification data being published in the >Bulletin. >I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification. I prefer to >keep >personally found meteorites whole and intact. Why cut a personal find >when >the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted by >a >Nom Com recognized scientist? Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy the >memories of the hunt at a later date. >Adam Hi Adam, I don't know your situation on the issue of embargoing dry lake beds or collection areas. Regarding Zann's find were there any previous finds made at that lake bed? If so, I feel the original finder should get the credit and the first number. The subsequent finds should be issued numbers in order of their find date. The only case that a find should get a new number is if it was a new area with no previous meteorite finds. Many of the lake beds have been hunted for years with great success. There were hundreds of field hours put in, recording of data, etc. I had a similar issue when a meteorite was found in an area that I had been working. I had hundreds of hours involved, stones classified, provisional numbers, etc. Another stone was found by a hunter and he attempted to have his find assigned #1. Both the finder and the scientist doing his classification knew my history with this area and the many finds made. They still attempted to get the number changed. When they were unsuccessful they tried to change the name of that find. It was clearly paired with finds from the area. It is amazing that someone would attempt this. Sonny -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2015 9:42 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiew afind. I gave up on a classification that was submitted in 2005. It was a fresh type3 oriented chondrite that my wife, Zann found. It was the very firstmeteorite she ever recovered and it was a cold find. It would have beenserial number one but I think the unsavory practice of embargoing dry lakebed finds interfered with the classification data being published in theBulletin.I no longer submit U.S. finds for classification. I prefer tokeep personally found meteorites whole and intact. Why cut a personal findwhen the odds of it being published are slim, even with the data submitted bya Nom Com recognized scientist? Mine stay in a box so that I can enjoy thememories of the hunt at a later date.Adam- Original Message- From: "Robert Verish via Meteorite-list"To: ;; "Larry Atkins" Cc:Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:15AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Local to Las Vegas expert needed to rewiewafind.No Larry,There actually is a problem.John's "opinion" is acommon misconception that I even held until I personally learned of thisrecent trend.This is a concern that others have shared with me, and hasprompted me to write on this subject in threeseparate articles, whichessentially said, "Hey, here are some US chondrites that need to beclassified."Still haven't received any offers.My request still stands.Iwould like to hear from people with recent experience in this area that canpoint me in the direction ofa cheap classifier that still accepts small,ordinary chondrites.I suspect when I find one it will be outside
Re: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times now up
Hi Paul and Jim, Thanks for another great issue of Meteorite Times. Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Harris via Meteorite-list To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Sun, Sep 6, 2015 6:25 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] September Issue of Meteorite Times now up Hello Everyone,The September issue of Meteorite Times is now up.Our IMCAInsights article this month is by Ellen Crapster-Pregont, a PhD candidate atColumbia University in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences. Shereceived the 2015 Brian Mason Travel Award supported by the InternationalMeteorite Collectors Association for the 78th Annual Meteoritical SocietyMeeting.Browser view -> http://www.meteorite-times.com/2015/09/Magazineview ->http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docs/meteorite-times_2015_9Enjoy!PaulandJimhttp://www.meteorite-times.com/__Visitour Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photos
WOW what great pictures.It looks like a lot of fun and good eating! Sonny -Original Message- From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list To: Martin Goff Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Sep 2, 2015 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photos Martin,Super, super--thanks.John- Original Message -From: "Martin Goff via Meteorite-list"To:Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:39PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2015 article and photosHiall,Just uploaded write up and photos from the Ensisheim show 2015 to mywebsite.Please take a look and hopefully it will evoke some good memoriesorif you have not yet been entice you to come along nextyear(http://msg-meteorites.co.uk/meteorite-adventures/the-ensisheim-meteorite-show-2015/)Enjoy:-)CheersMartin-- Martin Goffwww.msg-meteorites.co.ukIMCA#3387__Visit our Facebook pagehttps://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visitour Facebook page https:/ /www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting formeteorites.
Hi Art and List, That is so true. I really enjoy spending my time exploring the deserts. I can't wait to see what the forecasted El Nino rains will uncover in the desert Southwest. I found some sea shells out in the middle of the sand dunes (of all places). I assume they were transported there. Or maybe even traded by the Native Americans? Speaking of Native Americans,I had the privilege to be invited to a ceremonial dance in Arizona on a large Reservation. It was great to experience their culture and to witness their dances. What an awesome experience. I was even given a handmade basket which is used in their traditional dances by one of the tribal members. The whole experience was surreal and I will cherish the memories forever. Sonny >Greg, Sonny, List >I think the next best thing to the feeling that you'rewalking in a remote area >where no one has been, is that you're walking in aremote area where a compadre >has >been -Original Message- From: Art Jones To: Greg Hupe ; wahlperry ; meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2015 10:15 am Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting formeteorites. Greg, Sonny, List;I think the next best thing to the feeling that you'rewalking in a remote area where no one has been, is that you're walking in aremote area where a compadre has been!-Art-OriginalMessage-From: Meteorite-list[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Hupe viaMeteorite-listSent: Friday, August 14, 2015 10:01 AMTo: wahlpe...@aol.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Retractablemeteorite cane found while hunting formeteorites.That's cool, Sonny.InFebruary I found a SOG knife on a dry lake bed in Nevada while 'finding'meteorites and mentioned I found "a knife". A friend asked if it was a, "GraySOG knife found on Dry Lake ...". Sure enough it was his that he lost twoyears prior and that it was a special gift from his son. I was happy to returnit back to him after it had a short vaca in Florida. Needless to say Jim W.was absolutely thrilled to have it back! :)BestRegards,GregGreg Hu peThe hupecollectiongmh...@centurylink.netwww.naturesvault.net (Online Catalog &Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault(Facebook, Pinterest & eBay)http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVaulthttp://pinterest.com/NaturesVaultIMCA3163Click here for my current eBayauctions:http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault-OriginalMessage-From: wahlperry--- via Meteorite-listSent: Friday, August 14,2015 11:34 AMTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject:[meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while huntingformeteorites.Hi All,I have been out exploring areas in Nevada and Utahfor meteorites and photo opportunities. It is amazing how many unique treasuresyou are able to find. Not to mentionthe wildlife and weather events. I hopeto post a few pictures later. I did find a retractable meteorite cane on a lakebed. Not the treasure I was hoping for! It looks like it has been lying on thelake bed surface for a year or two bu t still in great shape. Email off list ifyou think this is yours and want itback.Sonny__Visit ourFacebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit our Facebook pagehttps://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Retractable meteorite cane found while hunting for meteorites.
Hi All, I have been out exploring areas in Nevada and Utah for meteorites and photo opportunities. It is amazing how many unique treasures you are able to find. Not to mention the wildlife and weather events. I hope to post a few pictures later. I did find a retractable meteorite cane on a lake bed. Not the treasure I was hoping for! It looks like it has been lying on the lake bed surface for a year or two but still in great shape. Email off list if you think this is yours and want it back. Sonny __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 "Thinnest Slices Ever Produced" - AD
Hey Greg, Great web site. It is always nice to look at all the meteorite pictures! Sonny -Original Message- From: Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 12:34 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 "Thinnest Slices Ever Produced" - AD Dear List Members,I am happy to announce that I am now offering:'TheThinnest Slices of NWA 5000 ever produced - Exclusively at Nature'sVault'Never before have slices been cut and polished to just 1mm, thismeans the 'Surface-to-Weight' ratio is tremendous and offers the maximumviewing surface! Many have asked, "What lunar meteorite could possibly bebetter than NWA 5000?"... Simple, ultra-thin polished slices of NWA 5000! Ihave absorbed the cutting/polishing losses and expenses to present the verybest this lunaite has to offer.To see much of what I have available,please visit my NWA 5000 page exclusively on Nature's Vault:http://www.naturesvault.net/meteorites/nwa5000.htmlThank you for looking,and if you are interested in any of the listed specimens, please click the'Buy' button quickly as I will be offering these on a First-come, First-servedbasis.Best Regards,GregPaid Ad #10 of 52GregHupeThe Hupe collectiongmh...@centurylink.netwww.naturesvault.net (OnlineCatalog & Reference Site)www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary MeteoriteSite)NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest &eBay)http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVaulthttp://pinterest.com/NaturesVaultIMCA3163Click here for my current eBayauctions:http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault__Visitour Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives athttp://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailinglistMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15
Hi Adam and List, Check out this rock art that we found while hiking in a remote area. The image seems to resemble the one in your picture. I wonder if they could be related. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Nevada_art.html -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Feb 17, 2015 5:14 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15 Interesting about the focus being put onto Native American cultures and the importance they place on meteorites. I am fortunate that my wife, who is 50% Cherokee Native American, shares similar interests to this day. She has never once complained about my fascination and spending on artifacts, meteorites and other collectables. She recently joked about collecting land. We will need it for the rock garden she has put together while spending a great deal of time with the new and improved Team LunarRock in the field.Below is an image of my wife admiring a famous and controversial 800 pound artifact that we purchased from the original finders and are storing among other collectables. Some of you may recognize this artifact from a "documentary" show dedicated a complete episode to the piece. I do not agree with the show host's interpretations, felt the urge to rescue it from his laboratory (studio) and purchased out from underneath them. Many of these shows have no respect for such things and are more concerned with shamelessly promoting themselves. I am onto a meteorite that weighs several times the amount of this artifact, is located on private property which is for sale and surrounded by lithic scatter meaning early man was drawn to it. It will definitely be a pallet buster like this piece!Link to an image of my wonderful wife and a recent acquisition:http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/ZannWithBullArtifact.jpgHapp y Hunting,Adam Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list" To: "Meteorite Central" Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:02 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15> Hello Listers>> Enjoy>> Shawn Alan> IMCA 1633> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html> Website http://meteoritefalls.com>>> What's Happening; 2-18-15>> Cottonwood Meteorite Added to Exhibit>> March 1-Aug. 31>> The Verde Valley Archaeology Center located at 385 S. Main Street in> Camp Verde will add the Cottonwood Meteorite to an exhibit running from> March 1 to Aug. 31. The loan of these meteorites from the Arizona State> University Center for Meteorite Studies was arranged with the> cooperation of Dr. Lawrence Garvie, Research Professor at the ASU School> of Earth & Space Exploration. The Center will be hosting Dr. Garvie for> a free talk on meteorites on March 3, at 7 p.m., in the Phillip England> Center for the Performing Arts, 210 Camp Lincoln Road in Camp Verde. The> Center will also give monthly talks on the importance and uses of> meteorites among ancient Native American cultures during the span of the> exhibit. Visit verdevalleyarchaeology.org or call (928) 567-0066 for> more information.>> Source:> http://cvbugle.com/main.asp?SectionID=74&SubSectionID=114&ArticleID=45361> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list> __Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman /listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Hi Twink and List, What a nice find! You do not see to many Franconia meteorites that size any more. I think it might be tough for anyone to find that large of a meteorite in the Franconia strewn field today. Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 11:00 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: FranconiaContributed by: Twink Monradhttp://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=01/20/2015_ _Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman /listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Email for Rodrigo Martinez
Hi Looking to contact Rodrigo Martinez, If anyone has his email could you email me off list. Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] November Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up
Hey Paul and Jim, Thanks for another great issue of Meteorite Times! Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Harris via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Sat, Nov 15, 2014 10:05 am Subject: [meteorite-list] November Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up Hello Everyone,The November issue of Meteorite Times is now up. If anyone would like to be featured as one of our Meteorite People or would like to freshen up their old interview please reply off list.As always, a huge Thank You to all of our contributors.http://www.meteorite-times.com/Enjoy!Paul and Jim__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman /listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the stone of the dream better pics
Hey Habibi, Could you tell us the story how they were found and how far from the strewnfield. What great finds! Sonny -Original Message- From: habibi abdelaziz via Meteorite-list To: meteorite list Sent: Sun, Oct 12, 2014 2:11 am Subject: [meteorite-list] the stone of the dream better pics good morning;i just got the time to get a look at my stones and to take better pics,this is realy the kind of stones that wake me up early to open my office and to just look at them. do i addict to meteorite; yes i m a big addict to meteorite and happy to be;https://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/azizh __Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman /listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Arizona fireball hunt
Hi List, I just returned from a meteorite hunt in Arizona. I had a great time exploring some new areas in Arizona that I have never had a chance to visit before. I met several people who witnessed the recent fireball. One described the sound overhead as a truck backfiring. Another said he heard the explosion and felt the ground shake. Although I did not find any meteorites on this trip I still had a wonderful time taking photographs of the area. I always say even if you don't find a meteorite that the people you meet and the adventures along the way are as rewarding as finding a meteorite. Here is a link to some pictures that I took at Wupatki National Park of some ruins in the area. I was also able to visit 5 newly discovered ruins but was not able to photograph them. This is a beautiful area of the Southwest and I felt privileged to spend time there. Sonny http://sonnyclaryphotography.smugmug.com/Photos/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Old Women Meteorite
Hey Adam and list Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. With the Old Women Meteorite a second piece has been found. A third piece has also been found wedged under a large boulder half exposed. I have tried to get permission to remove the meteorite. I was told that the meteorite would be confiscated if recovered and best to leave it alone. This would be a great case to challenge in court. Sonny -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 10:06 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? Sonny, That is great news. I am not saying that every experience with the BLM has been a negative one for me. I spent hours on the phone with three different agents from the Barstow and Needles offices and got variable answers. I was even told it was illegal to bring devices into an area that also contains heritage items or artifacts. This included a magnet on a stick. I did manage to get a permit to enter Ivanpah after one of my friends was ticketed there.The bottom line is that I do not want to see anybody hassled for selling meteorites found on public land. The only consistent answer I ever got was that meteorites found on public land are not to be used for commercial purposes.Sell at your own risk. For me, the thrill is finding them,Adam- Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:49 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???Hey Adam, Jim and List,Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just need to go outand do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over the lastmonth in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian Buttemeteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked aboutmeteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting formeteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the LasVegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I didcontact the State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and theyinformed me that meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So farall of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite hunting has beenpositive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : )Sonny-Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-listTo: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect culturalproperties and turned them into laws. These rules have been twistedinto law by government servants overstepping their authority with nodebate or intelligent input whatsoever. I talked at great length over10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the alarm bellsto anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their position withthe 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never be issuedbased on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites are lyingaround like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many peoplehave the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to theminers that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting ofseven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles Californiaoffice that meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBayand other outlets. Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and ascientist were on this trip. I was personally threatened, as wereother team members, by them and will leave it at that. Others on thislist have been warned as well. I will leave it up to other hunters tostep forward with their unsavory experiences with the BLM if they feelso inclined.It is best to search on private property with writtenpermission if want to resell your finds. There has been a lot ofpress about artifact hunters having their entire collectionsconfiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their finds weremade on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig on privateproperty for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the "laws"written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even thoughmeteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which wereadopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting youhave engaged in over the years that you have not been personallyinvolved with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into areasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one lookingexert their authority.Adam- Original Message - From: "JimWooddell via Meteorite-list" To:com>Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???>Hi Adam and all,>> Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> TheBLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a rucku
Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???
Hey Adam, Jim and List, Meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs you just need to go out and do a little hunting. I was able to recover 2.5 pounds over the last month in a new area. Last year while I was hunting the Indian Butte meteorite I stopped and talked with two BLM Rangers. We talked about meteorite hunting. The two rangers had no problem with me hunting for meteorites and wished me good luck. I have also talked with the Las Vegas BLM regarding meteorite hunting and have had no problem. I did contact the State of Arizona about hunting on State Land and they informed me that meteorite hunting on state land is not allowed. So far all of my experiences with the BLM and meteorite hunting has been positive. I can hopefully find some more Easter Eggs this weekend! : ) Sonny -Original Message- From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 9:08 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds??? The BLM adopted the UNESCO rules designed to protect cultural properties and turned them into laws. These rules have been twisted into law by government servants overstepping their authority with no debate or intelligent input whatsoever. I talked at great length over 10 years ago with the late Richard Norton which sounded the alarm bells to anybody who would listen. The BLM strengthened their position with the 10 pound limit and commercial permits which will never be issued based on television shows, falsely perceiving that meteorites are lying around like Easter Eggs and are worth a fortune.Not too many people have the resources to fight the federal government. Just talk to the miners that lost the Old Woman meteorite. Our group, consisting of seven people, were warned by BLM agents from the Needles California office that meteorites are not to be resold and that they monitor eBay and other outlets. Four prominent meteorite collector/dealers and a scientist were on this trip. I was personally threatened, as were other team members, by them and will leave it at that. Others on this list have been warned as well. I will leave it up to other hunters to step forward with their unsavory experiences with the BLM if they feel so inclined.It is best to search on private property with written permission if want to resell your finds. There has been a lot of press about artifact hunters having their entire collections confiscated if they did not have provenance indicating their finds were made on private land. Even then, you are not allowed to dig on private property for them. They have to be surface finds. Remember, the "laws" written for artifacts and fossils now apply to meteorites even though meteorites were never mentioned in the UNESCO guidelines which were adopted into law.Jim, I am surprised that with all of the hunting you have engaged in over the years that you have not been personally involved with the BLM in the field. Sometimes you run into a reasonable agent, but more than likely, you will run into one looking exert their authority.Adam- Original Message - From: "Jim Wooddell via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 5:06 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Prices for SouthWest Dry Lake Finds???> Hi Adam and all,>> Just for clarification on so called BLM Rules.>> The BLM put out a paper a while back the stirred up a ruckus. The paper > was a GUIDELINE for area supervisors> to implement or not. To be clear, they are not rules. And, the BLM has > failed to issues claimed permits for> commercial ventures when ask.>> If you can show me where these guidelines have become rules and have > actually been implemented, I'd like to see it.>> Jim On 5/20/2014 4:25 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list wrote:>> Hi Jim and All, Unless they predate 1972, meteorites found on public land cannot be used >> for commercial purposes according to the BLM interpretations rendering >> them without commercial value. This is even before the new "laws" >> limited meteorite recoveries to 10 pounds a year or less without a >> commercial permit. The interesting thing is not a single commercial >> permit has ever been issued despite being applied for. Sorry for the bad news, That is why it so important to treat private land owners with the utmost >> respect in order to gain access to unrestricted search areas. Adam>> -- > Jim Wooddell> jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net> http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/>> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list> __Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://three.pairlist.net/mailman/ list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite TV photos - Featuring a drone!
Hey Ruben, Thanks for the pictures! I can't wait to see the TV show. Sonny -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia To: Meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Apr 30, 2014 8:17 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite TV photos - Featuring a drone! Hi all,Here's another day of filming. Yes a drone was quite over the top butit was interesting to see how technology is affecting everything, evenfilming the etching process!BTW - There are no guns in this segment. : )see photos herehttp://www.mrmeteorite.com/-- Rock On!Ruben Garciahttp://www.MrMeteorite.com_ _Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Meteorite Store in Arkansas
Hey Ruben Thanks for the great pictures. I will have to make this a vacation stop this summer what a cool town. Sonny -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia To: Meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Apr 23, 2014 4:07 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Meteorite Store in Arkansas Hi all,I just returned from Arkansas where I met up with Steve Arnold andpurchased a large Brenham pallasite meteorite. While there I snapped afew photos of Steves meteorite store. Picking up where Nininger leftoff Steve has quite an impressive set up with lots of interestingmeteorites.Take a look.http://www.mrmeteorite.com/86lbbrenhampallasite.htm-- Rock On!Ruben Garciahttp://www.MrMeteorite.com_ _Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off Topic: Bundy Ranch Photographs
Hi List, Some of you may have heard about the showdown on the Range here in Nevada. Here are a couple of pictures from the protest at the Bundy Ranch in April of 2014. Regardless of which side you stand on these pictures are definitely worth taking a look at. Truly still the Wild West out here. Sonny http://sonnyclaryphotography.smugmug.com/Bundy-Ranch-April-2014/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Ultimate meteorite hunting tool!
Hi List, Tired of getting sunburned and getting dust in your eyes on those meteorite hunting trips? Behold this new meteorite hunting tool! Could this be the future of meteorite hunting? For those of you that have done it, just think you can throw away that maintenance/service man shirt that you used to wear to check the rooftops on previous suburban meteorite falls. You will probably still need the ladder though! Here is the link. I will let you know how the test flight goes : ) Sonny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNEn0wFl8ho __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New 30g Indian Butte meteorite find.
Hey Mike, So, that would make it a "3 Bob meteorite?" How about the 3 Bob's kicked Butte! : ) Sonny -Original Message- From: Michael Blood To: Met. Sonny Clary & Brix ; Meteorite List Sent: Sun, Mar 30, 2014 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New 30g Indian Butte meteorite find. Hi Sonny,So, that would make it a "3 Bob meteorite?" MichaelOn 3/30/14 10:05 AM, "Met. Sonny Clary & Brix" wrote:> Hi List,> > Here is a link to some new pictures of recent Indian Butte finds that I> added to my website. One was found by Rob Matson and the other by Rob> Reisener and Bob Grueneberg.> > > http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_p> age_4.html> > > I have added pictures of another find that I am wondering about. It is> a possible achondrite. I will have to send it to the experts to have it> checked out.> > Sonny> > Here is the link.> > > http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_Nevada_2013_meteo> rite_finds_2.html> __> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New 30g Indian Butte meteorite find.
Hi List, Here is a link to some new pictures of recent Indian Butte finds that I added to my website. One was found by Rob Matson and the other by Rob Reisener and Bob Grueneberg. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html I have added pictures of another find that I am wondering about. It is a possible achondrite. I will have to send it to the experts to have it checked out. Sonny Here is the link. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_Nevada_2013_meteorite_finds_2.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New meteorite discovery 2.4lbs / New photography page in the works
Hi List, I have uploaded a couple of pictures of a new meteorite find. The pieces were found over a 40' by 75' area. It looks like the meteorite possibly broke into hundreds of pieces upon hitting the desert surface. I am also guessing that the endless freeze and thaw cycles over the last hundred years helped with the fracturing process. The TKW of the new find 2.4 lbs. The meteorite appears to be an OC. Here is a link to the new find. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html I have started a new photography page. I have had the opportunity to visit several unique locations during my travels and decided to capture them in photos. One of these locations was the Old Needles Theater. I contacted the caretaker and was able to get inside and take some pictures. As I was walking around the theater I heard footsteps and what sounded like people scurrying out of the building on the opposite end. For those interested in Nevada history I have also included some pictures taken at an old ghost town/silver and copper mine. I will be adding more pictures from this sight at a later date. This just goes to show that you can come across some amazing places when you head out to search for meteorites. http://sonnyclaryphotography.smugmug.com/Photos/ Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Indian Butte meteorite # 034 Congrats to Jim Shorten!
Hi List , I have just updated my web page with # 034 Indian Butte 23.18g. Congratulations to Jim Shorten on the great find. If anyone else wants to add a picture of their Indian Butte find please contact me off List. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grand Opening of UCLA Meteorite Gallery
Hi Alan and list The UCLA Meteorite Gallery's grand opening will be held at 4 p.m. on Jan. 10 and is invitation-only. The event will honor Arlene and Ted Schlazer, who donated >more than 60 exhibit-worthy meteorites to UCLA, as well as a bequest for an endowed chair (the first in the UCLA Department of Earth, Planetary and Space >Sciences) in cosmo-chemistry and meteorite research. UCLA Chancellor Gene Block is scheduled to speak at the opening. Congratulations to Arlene and Ted for the great donation to UCLA , way to go! Sonny -Original Message- From: Alan Rubin To: meteorite-list Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 9:47 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Grand Opening of UCLA Meteorite Gallery I would like everyone to know that tomorrow afternoon, Friday Jan. 10, is the formal grand opening of the UCLA Meteorite Gallery, located on the third floor of the Geology Building on the UCLA Campus. The Museum will be open weekdays from 9:00 A.M to 4:00 P.M. and the occasional weekend afternoon. (Hours will be posted on our website: www.meteorites.ucla.edu ) The gallery is free to the public. I invite any meteorite enthusiasts visiting Southern California to come by sometime for a visit.The press release is appended below.AlanSpace rocks hit UCLA: California's largest meteorite museum opens on campus(Note to editors and reporters: To attend the invitation-only grand opening of the UCLA Meteorite Gallery on Friday, Jan. 10, at 4 p.m., please contact Stuart Wolpert at swolp...@support.ucla.edu or 310-206-0511.)California's largest collection of meteorites, and the fifth-largest collection in the nation, is on display in the new UCLA Meteorite Gallery, which is free to the public. The museum, located in UCLA's Geology Building (Room 3697) is open weekdays from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m. and on some weekend afternoons; please visit the gallery's website, www.meteorites.ucla.edu, for details.A centerpiece of the museum is a 357-pound iron chunk of an asteroid that crashed into Arizona some 50,000 years ago, creating a mile-wide crater just east of Flagstaff. Visitors are allowed to touch the venerable object, which like most other meteorites and like the Earth itself is 4.5 billion years old, said John Wasson, the gallery's curator and a UCLA professor of geochemistry and chemistry.Meteorites are rocks ejected from asteroids, comets, planets or the moon that have traveled through interplanetary space and landed on the Earth's surface. The vast majority come from asteroids."Our goal is to make this gallery the world's best scientifically oriented meteorite museum," Wasson said. "Our collection is by far the largest in California and is a gift to the people of Southern California. The opportunity to learn in scientific detail about meteorites has not been available in California before."The collection houses specimens of nearly 1,500 meteorites that illustrate the scientific processes that were active in the early solar system. About 100 of these - representing a wide variety of meteorite types - are currently on display.These include chondrites, which contain large numbers of tiny rocky spherules known as "chondrules." The origin of chondrules remains very much a mystery, Wasson said. It appears they were created from clumps of dust in the solar nebula - the gas and dust cloud that existed before planets and asteroids formed - and were "zapped" in a way that is still unknown. The gallery's images of primitive chondritic meteorites taken with a scanning electron microscope offer detailed views of chondrules.The museum also features backlit samples of a class of beautiful meteorites called pallasites, which contain silicate minerals mixed with metal. These specimens formed at the "interface between the metallic core and the silicate mantle" of an asteroid, Wasson said."We have no sample of the core of any of the planets or even a major moon, but many of the iron meteorites are samples of an asteroid's core, and they differ from one another," Wasson said.Wasson, a member of UCLA's faculty since 1964, has devoted his scientific career to studying meteorites."Meteorites are fragments that were, in part, the building blocks of the planets," he said. "Many of these are the first rocks that formed anywhere in the solar system. They have information about the earliest history of the solar system that we cannot learn from the Earth itself."One of the gallery's exhibits explains how to correctly identify meteorites. Detailed explanations of the samples are provided in display cases and brochures.Alan Rubin, the associate curator of the gallery and a researcher in UCLA's Department of Earth, Planetary and Space Sciences, is an expert in identifying meteorites. He receives samples every few days from people who believe they have found meteorites."They almost never are real meteorites," he said, adding that "less than 1 percent" actually come from beyond the Earth. Some
[meteorite-list] Recent meteorite find
Hi List, Here is a link to one of my recent meteorite hunting trips. The meteorite appears to be an ordinary chondrite and is 15 grams. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_Nevada_2013_meteorite_finds.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale Ad Moapa Valley fragments 1.5g
Hi List, I have some Moapa Valley CM1 fragments for sale. As you may know Moapa Valley is the only CM1 found in the United States. As far as I know it is the only CM1 available for sale to the public. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_fragments.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off Topic Meteorite Zombies
Hi List, Last year I ran into a meteorite zombie in Novato playing a guitar. This year I spotted some zombies in Vegas. I was able to get a few pictures before they moved on. Happy Halloween! Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Meteorite_zombie.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Hi All, This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and UofA as sources of information. Sonny -Original Message- From: Jason Utas To: Anne Black Cc: Meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the fragments. The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black wrote:> Hello Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black> www.IMPACTIKA.com> impact...@aol.com -Original Message-> From: Roman Jirasek > To: meteorite-list > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm> Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this> year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his> photos...> http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek> www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows>> I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the> meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest> date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume> the meteorite obviously fell before that date.>> This would help us, with dating the find.>> Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The> meteorite?>> Thank you>> Douglas Roth.> Phoenix, Arizona.> Sparta archaeology.>> Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics.>> I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas> Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel> and tours.>> Douglas Rothman.>> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net
[meteorite-list] Indian Butte, AZ Meteorite pictures
Hi list, In order to better document the Indian Butte strewn field I be adding photos of the finds on my web page with find numbers. Anyone with pictures of finds made at Indian Butte contact me off list. You could also submit the photos to the Meteoritical bulletin database. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Az_Metorite_Sonny_Clary_page_4.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk with Natural Hole...worth a look! / More Meteorites With Hole
Hi Ruben and List , What a great picture, I will take it! Here is a picture of a Canyon Diablo with a hole. Any other list members have interesting meteorites with holes that they want to share? Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Canyon_Ciablo_with_hole.html -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia To: Meteorite-list Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2013 7:40 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk with Natural Hole...worth a look! http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/rubengarcia85382/media/Chelyabinsk%20with%20Hole/chel766g_zps2a319f15.jpg.html?sort=6&o=0-- Rock On!Ruben Garciahttp://www.MrMeteorite.com_ _Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Marko and list I would trust Rob Matson on the video. I would say It is 100% fake. : ) Sonny Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Marco Langbroek wrote: > > Count Deiro wrote: > >> As they say"with all due respect"to those of you with vastly more >> experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are >> attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical >> complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while >> estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, >> pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what >> possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so >> stunningly recorded are the "real deal". > > I humbly disagree. > > There are multiple reasons why people would have faked this. > > Over the past few years we have seen multitudes of fake UFO video's, fake > videos of strange "archaeological" finds (e.g. "giants" a few years ago), > fake "surviving mammoth filmed in Siberia" video's, fake Loch Ness videos, > fake "eagle snatches kid in the park" videos, you name it. Nowadays, these > kind of animations can be done with off the shelf software that is readily > available. > > Reasons to make such fake movies can be very diverse: > > - People like to fool other people; > - Maybe someone wants to practise their CGI skills; > - Maybe someone made this as a practical exam assignment; > - Maybe someone created this as a "proof of concept" for potential customers; > - Maybe this is intended as a viral for an upcoming movie or game; > - Maybe this is made for an upcoming movie or game > > ... to name just a few options. > > The 'Eagle snatches kid in the park" video of a year ago for example, was an > exam product created by university students. > > The video's of this fireball that surfaced are too similar in composition and > quality, and too 'neat' - with very smooth panning for example, rather than > shakey panic. As Rob mentioned, some are weird - why was the person > capturing the fireball filming in the first place? In some video's, it > appears the filmer is actually *waiting* for the fireball to appear. And on > some of the video's, the "fireball" really looks CGI if you look carefully > (in the train video for example, and the one where it disappears behind a > hill). Then there are the other things that don't ad up as pointed out by Rob > earlier. > To top it, all these video's appear out of nowhere on new YouTube accounts, > or youtube accounts that collect dubious movies. > > These video's therefore really do not answer to the pattern of casual > eyewitnesses. Moreover, there shouldn't be just these video's: TV stations, > Radio stations, police, observatories, they should have been flooded by > eyewitness reports > > Nowadays, you simply have to be suspicious. Too many people like to play with > CGI and unlike 10 years ago, it is no longer the domain of professionals (nor > very expensive). A 19-year-old on his parents loft can do it. > > - Marco > > - > Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek > Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) > > e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl > http://www.dmsweb.org > http://www.marcolangbroek.nl > - > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fond memories of dear meteorite hunting friend-Jim Kriegh
Hi All, This morning I was enjoying a cup of coffee and surfing the internet for meteorites. I ran across a story about Jim Kriegh 1928-2007, A remembrance in words and pictures by Geoffery Notkin. I had seen this article before but really enjoyed reading and viewing the pictures again. The story brought back so many great memories of Jim and the fun times in Tucson. Here is a link to the Remembrance of Jim Kriegh for those that did not know him and yes, it brought a tear to my eye. http://www.aerolite.org/portraits/jim-kriegh.htm Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New 1920g Nevada Chondrite Found by Terry Scott
Hi List, Here is a couple pictures of a new Nevada 1920g chondrite found by Terry Scott. The meteorite is the third to be recovered from the new strewn field. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_nevadameteorites.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Desert lake bed OC finds
Hi List, Here are a couple of pictures from one of my recent meteorite hunting trips. The meteorites appear to be ordinary chondrites. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_Nevada_2013_Desert_Lake_Bed_finds.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix
Hi List, I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled but here is what he was able to interpret. Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- Thunderjet 1 over and out. All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several generations have gotten used to. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe To: Adam Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation that I know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate to me. Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he blasted by us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline and somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I don't see the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one buzz our exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding rock was hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave our location away. It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on or vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government spy on its citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our founding fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. People seem to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way around. We are loosing rights every day. In the last 15 years I have seen over half the searchable land off limits or seriously restricted to meteorite hunting. Pretty soon, only private property will be available and that too will soon be off limits judging from the way a few meteorite hunters have treated landowners. Just go to Kansas and ask how many farmers are willing to work with meteorite hunters? If you don't see the problem, then you are part of it, Adam From: Michael Farmer To: James Beauchamp Cc: Adam Hupe ; Thunder Stone ; Adam Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix Are you sure? Obama has the BLM on his desktop speed dial waiting for that chance to order missiles free on meteorite hunters. He is tapped in by NSA computers to your wristwatches. You are only safe if you use an 1890s or before pocket watch. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2013, at 8:45 PM, James Beauchamp wrote: LOL, seriously, if the pilot saw you guys and did a maneuver, it was out of showing off and fun. Far from any malice. As a former aircrew guy, and recently retired from a 23 year air force career, I promise you they could care less about rock collectors. There isn't enough training time - especially in the last five years - to go around. They are extremely busy trying to check the boxes - either test cards or the weapon school / Red Flag scenario at hand. They are concentrating on the mission, the aircraft systems, and things in the air that [if not watched carefully] can kill them. That list includes other airplanes, drones, birds, things falling off the airplane, engines a few degrees from alloy melting points, and ridgelines that like to smack pilots that don't pay attention. They have to do all this, and accomplish an over-loaded task list with just enough in the tanks to land with a couple of tho
[meteorite-list] off topic-Arizona Fire Tragedy
Hi List, I just received a call about a tragedy in Arizona. According to reports 18 firefighters were killed on the Yarnell fire. News is still developing at this time. Let's keep these individuals and their families in our prayers. http://www.kpho.com/story/22724064/prescott-courier-18-firefighters-dead-in-yarnell-wildfire Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 Stewart Valley OC's
Congratulations to Bob, Larry, Shayla and Steve for their Stewart Valley finds. Way to go guys! Sonny -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks To: Meteorite List Sent: Sat, Jun 29, 2013 8:49 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - 3 Stewart Valley OC's Hi Bulletin Watchers, There are three new approvals - all are OC's from the dry lakebeds of the Western US. Link - http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=1&pnt=Normal%20table&dr=&page=0 Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale Ad-Rare iron meteorites Monnig Collection
Hi List, I have just put up some unique iron meteorite slices for sale on my page. These meteorites came from the Oscar Monnig collection. This a rare opportunity to add a truly unique piece to your collection. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Meteorite_Sale_page_nevadameteorites.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk trip report is up
Hi Rob, Thanks for the great story. Sonny -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite List Sent: Tue, May 14, 2013 4:52 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk trip report is up It's a 12 pager. Put the kids down and grab some corn.http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/news/chelyabinsk.htmRob Wesel --Nakhla Dog Meteoriteswww.nakhladogmeteorites.comwww.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorit eswww.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel--We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams.Willy Wonka, 1971 __Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A California cold find
Hi Mike, Way to go great find! Sonny -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew To: Meteorite List Sent: Fri, May 10, 2013 6:34 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A California cold find List,The thin section has been prepared:http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mm01TSa-small.jpgMichael in so. Cal.On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote:> Hello, list.>> It is my pleasure to report my first cold find. It is 20.1 grams and> oriented, with a few small flow lines in spots and a bit of roll-over> and secondary crust on the back side. It is being thin sectioned and> then off to be classified by Dr. Alan Rubin (thanks, Dru. Rubin!) at> UCLA. As a native to southern California I am very please to know the> type specimen will reside locally. I will be happy to share the exact> find location after I submit to the NomCom' it was found generally in> the Mojave here in so. Cal (not a dry lake) .>> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold1.jpg> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold1a.jpg> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold2.jpg> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold3.JPG> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold4.JPG> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold5.JPG> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold6.JPG> http://mikestang.com/user/cimage/mpmCold8.JPG>> My classification guess is an H3.8 S0 W1.>> Regards,> Michael in so. Cal.__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)
Hi Jim and List, I will try to find the picture that you sent from the Franconia area. If I remember right, the meteorite was approximately 5-7 grams that basically looked like a small chondritic meteorite with a metal bleb (as seen in many of the early Franconia meteorites). Since there has been so much talk about the various meteorite classifications that have come out of this Franconia/Yucca DCA I wonder if anyone has taken the time to compare the large metal blebs that are found in a lot of the early Franconia area meteorites to the H metal meteorite that Jim found (Yucca 015). A lot of the larger meteorites found on the North and South side several years ago displayed these features. I am sure some folks out there have slices off of some of the larger stones that display the large metal blebs/flakes. It would be interesting to see how the metal blebs compare to the H metal meteorites from the same area. I also read about the terrestrial age dating on the meteorites from the DCA. What is the margin of error plus or minus on the terrestrial dating? I know there are various classifications of meteorites from this DCA I just wonder if Yucca 015 (just using this as an example) could have fallen as one of the early Franconia meteorites with the metal blebs but separated during the explosion over the strewnfield. Sonny -Original Message- From: Jim Wooddell To: Meteorite List Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 6:37 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...) Sonny, this is YUCCA 015. I cant remember which picture I sentyou...been too long ago.http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57175JimOn Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM, wrote:> Hi Jim,>> What was the weight of your new H-metal meteorite from the Franconia DCA?> Was this the meteorite that you sent me a picture of or a new one?>> Thanks,> Sonny> www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message-> From: Jim Wooddell > To: Michael Mulgrew ; Meteorite List> > Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 2:54 pm> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)>>> Michael,There is a lot that has not been learned from the Franconia> area.More information will be known in the future despite an award winning> comment from a member of the Drama Queen Dream Team that hunting in and> classifying 'crap' in DCA's is a waste, yet a new H-metal out of itsome> more pending...4 mile extension of the collection areano...none of that> is a contribution...not to mention the work which was paid for INAA Testing,> EMPA, thin sectioning, grad student work...yea nothing contributed to> science! Certainly a discredit to everyone that made the effort at getting> anything anywhere classified. To those hunters my hat is off, with respect.> Its too bad the original DCAs in the area were made the way the were. The> new DCA makes way more sense for the time being.JimJim Wooddell -> MobileMichael Mulgrew wrote:>List,>>One more question> regarding the latest Franconia paper, M. Hutson et>al., 2013, regarding the> sample sized used in that study vs. their>concluded number of falls for the> area: They only looked at 14 rocks,>concluding that 7 were separate falls.> If they looked at 50 rocks,>would they have found 25 falls? Why did they> select only 14 rocks,>was it a matter of how much research they could fund?> I'd hope the>samples were not selected specifically for their appearance, as> they>stated in the paper that visual pairing based on the exterior of> the>stones was completely misleading.>>They incorrectly reported that the 14> stones in their study make up>3.7% of the total finds for the area, 380. We> all know this number is>much higher, by a factor of 20 or more probably.> For example, I know of>one hunter who made more than 600 finds in a single> year. A similar>disconnect exists with their statement regarding the %> representation of>total mass of all finds. I'm not sure how they can come> to such a>definitive fall count with such a miniscule sampling of finds from> the>area.>>Ok, two questions: Does anyone know why the irons (H-metal) from> the>area were ignored in this study? Surely they are directly related> to>these chondritic falls, and as Yucca> 015>(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57175) shows us,>there> are multiple unique H-metals out there as well.>>Back to winning the lottery> to get all this sorted out!>Michael in so.> Cal.>__>>Visit the Archives at> http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com>Meteorite-list mailing> list>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/ >> listinfo/meteorite-list__Visi > t the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list> mailing> listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li > stinfo/meteorite-list> ___
Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...)
Hi Jim, What was the weight of your new H-metal meteorite from the Franconia DCA? Was this the meteorite that you sent me a picture of or a new one? Thanks, Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com -Original Message- From: Jim Wooddell To: Michael Mulgrew ; Meteorite List Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 2:54 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Franconia AREA (was, Re: ...terminology...) Michael,There is a lot that has not been learned from the Franconia area.More information will be known in the future despite an award winning comment from a member of the Drama Queen Dream Team that hunting in and classifying 'crap' in DCA's is a waste, yet a new H-metal out of itsome more pending...4 mile extension of the collection areano...none of that is a contribution...not to mention the work which was paid for INAA Testing, EMPA, thin sectioning, grad student work...yea nothing contributed to science! Certainly a discredit to everyone that made the effort at getting anything anywhere classified. To those hunters my hat is off, with respect. Its too bad the original DCAs in the area were made the way the were. The new DCA makes way more sense for the time being.JimJim Wooddell - MobileMichael Mulgrew wrote:>List,>>One more question regarding the latest Franconia paper, M. Hutson et>al., 2013, regarding the sample sized used in that study vs. their>concluded number of falls for the area: They only looked at 14 rocks,>concluding that 7 were separate falls. If they looked at 50 rocks,>would they have found 25 falls? Why did they select only 14 rocks,>was it a matter of how much research they could fund? I'd hope the>samples were not selected specifically for their appearance, as they>stated in the paper that visual pairing based on the exterior of the>stones was completely misleading.>>They incorrectly reported that the 14 stones in their study make up>3.7% of the total finds for the area, 380. We all know this number is>much higher, by a factor of 20 or more probably. For example, I know of>one hunter who made more than 600 finds in a single year. A similar>disconnect exists with their statement regarding the % representation of>total mass of all finds. I'm not sure how they can come to such a>definitive fall count with such a miniscule sampling of finds from the>area.>>Ok, two questions: Does anyone know why the irons (H-metal) from the>area were ignored in this study? Surely they are directly related to>these chondritic falls, and as Yucca 015>(http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57175) shows us,>there are multiple unique H-metals out there as well.>>Back to winning the lottery to get all this sorted out!>Michael in so. Cal.>__>>Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com>Meteorite-list mailing list>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/ listinfo/meteorite-list__Visi t the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Casa Grande area strewnfield hunting story update
Hi List, I have updated my website with a continuation of the hunting adventures in the strewnfield. I have included more pictures. This has to be the most interesting strewn field I have ever hunted. Here is the link http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_AZ_Meteorite_Sonny_Clary_1.html Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help identifying stone I found
Hi All, I found a suspected meteorite. I am not sure what it is. It could be terrestrial but there are some features that make me think it could be a howardite or eucrite. As a hunter I always remind myself while hunting that there are different stages of weathering for all meteorites, from a fresh fall to a highly weathered lake bed find. This sometimes makes it difficult to identify all the different types of meteorites. Then I think about brecciated, impact melts, anomolous, etc. and that just adds to the challenge. This new find has a similiar attraction to a magnet as NWA 1109 polymict eucrite. The matrix is also very close in color. Any help would be appreciated. I have included a link to the pictures of the stone below. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_nevadameteorites.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Found
Hi Dave Way to go congratulations on your new find. Sonny Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2013, at 5:51 PM, David Libuszowski wrote: > Just wanted to share a pretty recent fall meteorite I found while hunting for > meteorites in the desert using the Minelab GPX5000. Has a really black fusion > crust, and performed an xrf analysis of it, as shown in the pics. I have to > say this is one of the most magnetic pieces I have found, besides a solid > iron. > Dave Libuszowski > https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/302008_184433205043044_514369302_n.jpg > https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/305771_184433315043033_382374224_n.jpg > https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/575614_184433351709696_611575177_n.jpg > > dolandave.libuszow...@facebook.com > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande?Stanfield Strewn Field / update
Hi Bob and List, I sure hope there are no more bodies found, as well, Sonny. Although there has been no forensic evidence found, so far, that suggests foul-play, which leaves weather-related causes as the "usual suspects", there have been reports from the field of attempted theft of vehicles and/or theft of items in those vehicles (in broad daylight). Actually this new discovery would be the fourth body recovered from the strewn field/area. I had forgotten about this last night. I was told a man was found shot about a month prior to the discovery of the strewn field. This body was found right where I was parking my truck. I also learned from a BLM ranger that a ranger was shot and killed up in the mountains in the saddle of a mountain a few years ago. As for knowing the cause of death for the other 3 sets of remains it may never be known. The whole strewn field is the ending point /drop off where the drug contraband is picked up. One guard is left to protect the contraband and the other mules go on their way. This makes the lone man an easy target for other runners to profit. This is one of the reasons not to wear camo in the strewn field while hunting. I was told that these groups wear camo to help conceal themselves and also carry rifles. If another group is spotted the fire fight is on. Three officers encountered this situation in the vicinity of the RV park a few years back. I spoke to another meteorite hunter who had an encounter with a man wanting to know what he was doing in the area. As their conversation came to an end the man walked off and was joined by three other men who were fully armed that were watching the conversation from a short distance. These guys were not playing around! I urge everyone to be on guard as they are walking the strewn field. http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/six-in-custody-in-connection-with-fatal-pinal-county-smuggler/article_163c2882-66b5-11e0-858a-001cc4c002e0.html Also, have there been any actual finds made in Casa Grande, or have they all been made in the Stanfield area As far as I know nothing has be found in the Casa Grande area. I just used this name because people are familiar with it and the fireball was called the Casa Grande fireball for years in news reports. Sonny -Original Message- From: Robert Verish To: wahlperry Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral Sent: Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:55 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande?Stanfield Strewn Field I sure hope there are no more bodies found, as well, Sonny. Although there has been no forensic evidence found, so far, that suggests foul-play, which leaves weather-related causes as the "usual suspects", there have been reports from the field of attempted theft of vehicles and/or theft of items in those vehicles (in broad daylight). So, unfortunately, the warning is still "be careful out there"!Also, have there been any actual finds made in Casa Grande, or have they all been made in the Stanfield area?Bob V. --- On Thu, 4/11/13, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote:> From: wahlpe...@aol.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande Strewn Field> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Date: Thursday, April 11, 2013, 7:33 PM> Hi List, > > > I just finished reading a link to a story that is an> unfortunate reality in the Casa Grande area strewn field. To> my knowledge this is the third body discovered. I came> across one, another man I met in the field found one and now> this one. I sure hope there are not anymore. > > http://www.azfamily.com/news/Meteorite-hunters-find-human-remains-in-desert-along-I-8-202586231.html> > > Sonny> __> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list> __Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.comMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Third set of Human remains found in the Casa Grande Strewn Field
Hi List, I just finished reading a link to a story that is an unfortunate reality in the Casa Grande area strewn field. To my knowledge this is the third body discovered. I came across one, another man I met in the field found one and now this one. I sure hope there are not anymore. http://www.azfamily.com/news/Meteorite-hunters-find-human-remains-in-desert-along-I-8-202586231.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How I Think They May Have Originated)
Hi Adam and List, While I agree there can be some confusion on identifying meteorites and meteor wrongs I would like to make a comment on your Easter Egg Hunt post. I call this this Easter Egg hunt syndrome. A lot of people believe meteorites are lying around everywhere just ready to be picked up like Easter Eggs on a child's hunt. Some of you will find this hard to believe. I call this the EEYORE syndrome. As you probably know Eeyore is the delightfully dismal pessimistic Donkey on Winnie the Pooh. If you had been along on the Buzzard Coulee or Yelland meteorite hunts you would understand that indeed there are cases when meteorites are literally laying everywhere. It just takes some time and dedicated hunting to find them. When McCartney Taylor and I got to Buzzard Coulee and located the strewnfield we could not believe our eyes. The meteorites were everywhere! Hell, Ray Charles could have found some! It really was an amazing sight and felt like an Easter Egg Hunt. Believe me, if I had an Easter basket I could have filled it. Then they can cash them in for huge amounts just like seen on TV. I imagine the same can be said for meteorites sold on EBay or any other public forum. I recently saw an ad on my Local CBS news advertising the worlds largest NWA Lunar meteorite for sale. The report said it was locked in a safe and guarded 24 hours a day. I would assume this would convey the message that this meteorite is very valuable. Correct me if I am wrong. I think this may have been one of your meteorites for sale. In regards to Peter's finds; I know that sometimes it is difficult for someone who has found a meteor wrong to accept the fact that the stone that they are sure is a meteorite is a meteorwrong. At this point it is often difficult to convince them otherwise. I generally refer them to an expert at a respected University. I also believe that there are many experts right here on the List and I personally would trust their opinions 100%. Sonny -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe To: Adam Sent: Sat, Mar 23, 2013 7:27 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How I Think They May Have Originated) I call this this Easter Egg hunt syndrome. A lot of people believe meteorites are lying around everywhere just ready to be picked up like Easter Eggs on a child's hunt. Then they can cash them in for huge amounts just like seen on TV. In reality, even on a fall, it may be several hundred hours between finds. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Casa Grande fireball meteorite classification (name pending)
Hi All, Here is the classification for the meteorite that was recovered from the June 1998 Casa Grande fireball. I just want to say thanks to several people. Rob Matson and Marc Fries for the Doppler radar work. Rob Ward who provided eyewitness information to aid in the radar work. Alan Rubin for doing the classification. Here are Alan's results. H5, S1, W0 olivine Fa 17.9±0.3 (n=16) low-Ca pyroxene Fs16.0±0.2 Wo1.5±0.2 (n=19) Ca-pyx Fs5.2 Wo47.0 (n=1) The chondrite has a few plagioclase grains up to 25 µm across. I hope to post a few more pictures on my webpage soon. Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Casa Grande meteorite-training Brix on the scent. Brix's Pup for sale
Hi All, I had a chance to test Brix with the new meteorite recovery. I was always curious about the scent that Brix was detecting and how old of a meteorite he could detect. I had picked up a couple of suspected meteorites but at closer inspection they turned out to be meteor wrongs. The meteor wrongs are around 50 - 60g size. I decided to try and trick Brix by putting both meteor wrongs and meteorite in the training area. What a great chance to see if Brix could detect a meteorite that has been lying on the ground for roughly 14 1/2 years. The meteorites that I have used for his training are 50 - 60g Buzzard Coulee's.I have an area that I use to train Brix with 12 cement blocks in a large circle. A meteorite is placed under a block in the center out of sight. Brix has to detect the meteorite by scent. At different training times I just toss a couple meteorites into a field with Brix out of line of sight and then release him in the general area. With the new Casa Grande meteorite I placed one under a brick and down 5 blocks a meteor wrong to see what he would do. Brix went to the blocks and started working when he came to the meteor wrong, he slowed down and did a double take and then moved to the block with the meteorite. Before the training I move all the blocks and touch everything in the training area except for the meteorites so my scent is on the blocks . Brix downed on the block were the meteorite was hiding. I repeated this training twice and he was able to locate the 18g meteorite both times. This is a good sign that some of the training is sticking with him. I am breeding Brix in a with a police department canine. She is a Belgian Malinois narcotics dog. One of the pups will go back to that department. I will get pick of the litter. I am not planning on keeping the pup as Brix is already a full time job. If anyone has an interest in a pup contact me off list. Price is $1200. There is no guarantee that the breeding will take but if it does then there will be one available. Four pups are already spoken for. Brix is registered AKC and UKC. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_AZ_Meteorite_Sonny_Clary.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Discovery of new Arizona meteorite strewnfield from Casa Grande Fireball June 1998
Hi List, Here is a link to the story of our new discovery. I want to be sure anyone going into this area uses upmost caution for their safety. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_AZ_Meteorite_Sonny_Clary.html For more information on the location of this strewnfield please refer the Galactic Analytics website __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson show- Membrane Box's? / Ad- Moapa Valley pieces for sale
Hi List, Looking to purchase membrane box's. Does anyone know if there are any for sale at the show? I will also have the last two slices of Moapa valley CM1 for sale. 3g and a 1.2g piece. Thanks, Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Az meteorite hunting technique vs not getting Flu shot
Hi List, Check out this new Arizona meteorite hunting technique. I don't know which is worse this new hunting technique or not getting the Flu shot. Sonny http://www.azfamily.com/news/Man-jumps-into-Meteor-Crater-mine-shaft-to-appease-the-gods-186515131.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find
Hi Pat How strongly is it attracted to a magnet? In my limited experience, a carbonaceous in general would be less attracted to a magnet I would say the magnet attracts to the meteorite in the same range L-H chondrite.I tested Allende CV3.2, Moapa ValleyCM1,These two had less attraction for the magnet.Dag 192 CO3, NWA801 CR2, and Lucerne Dry lake CK4 had a attraction that was close to my meteorite. Just by eye and heft, what is the density compared to an OC? Carbonaceous Ch. are usually less dense than an OC It does seem less dense than OC pieces in the same size range that I have. Sonny -Original Message- From: Pat Brown To: Sonny Clary ; Met List Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 2:03 pm Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find Hi Sonny, Nice find. I second your idea about not wanting to cut it. At first blush it does look carbonaceous. The crust does have that 'bubbly burnt marshmallow' kind of look as I have seen on some other carbonaceous chondrites. * How strongly is it attracted to a magnet? In my limited experience, a carbonaceous in general would be less attracted to a magnet. * Just by eye and heft, what is the density compared to an OC? Carbonaceous Ch. are usually less dense than an OC * I would also recommend looking at it in reflected cross polarized light. The allows you to look through the desert vanish (but not real fusion crust) and may give a better look at the interior without cutting. Best Regards and Happy Hunting, Pat Brown To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com From: wahlpe...@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:45:01 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find Hi All, I found a 4.4g oriented meteorite. It looks like a weathered OC but on a closer inspection the back side shows a frothy brown fusion crust with a dark interior.Could this be normal weathering for chondrite? I would hate to cut it and find out that it is only a OC and ruin the oriented meteorite. On a long shot maybe a Impact Melt or CC chondrite? Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Cold_Find.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find
Hi Mike, Thanks, Sonny -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer To: wahlperry Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find Congrats Sonny, I would guess carbonaceous myself. Seems similar to some I have bought myself.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 16, 2013, at 1:45 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote:> Hi All,> > I found a 4.4g oriented meteorite. It looks like a weathered OC but on a closer inspection the back side shows a frothy brown fusion crust with a dark interior.Could this be normal weathering for chondrite? I would hate to cut it and find out that it is only a OC and ruin the oriented meteorite. On a long shot maybe a Impact Melt or CC chondrite?> > Sonny> > > http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Cold_Find.html> __> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New 4.4g Cold find
Hi All, I found a 4.4g oriented meteorite. It looks like a weathered OC but on a closer inspection the back side shows a frothy brown fusion crust with a dark interior.Could this be normal weathering for chondrite? I would hate to cut it and find out that it is only a OC and ruin the oriented meteorite. On a long shot maybe a Impact Melt or CC chondrite? Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/New_Cold_Find.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Terry Scott's New 17g Meteorite find
Hi List, The weather is just about right for desert meteorite hunting again. I recently spent a day out in the field with a couple of friends. One of them was lucky enough to find a beautiful 17 gram chondrite. The stone was found shortly after the hunt began. We spent the whole day in the field without making any more discoveries. Of course we all know there should be more pieces in the area it is just going to take a little work to find them. I had a chance to use my custom scale cube in the picture. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off Topic - Novato California Strewn field / Meteorite Zombies
Hi List, I just returned from Novato, California where I had a chance to do an investigation on Meteorite Zombies. I was able to catch a few pictures on my hidden trail cams placed around the Novato area. Here is the Link. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/2.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain comments on trip report
Hi List, I have added a few comments in response to a recent trip report I read. For those who are not interested just click delete now. For those interested here is the link http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Battle_Mt_2_3.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain
Hi List, I just wanted to give an update on my experience in Battle Mountain and squelch any rumors that may be out there. Many of you read about my encounter with a young miner whom agreed to exchange find information with me as well as sell me the meteorite that he had found. This miner is now out of jail and is back in the area working. I want to make it very clear that it was never my intention to see him get into trouble. After realizing that I had been lied to, etc.. I just wanted my hangun back. I had no real hard feelings, I just felt since he tricked me I should ask for my gun back. I don't think that this young man realizes that he would have been caught one way or the other for posession of a firearm. You see, once I had turned in my Blue Card and the exchange of ownership information (which he signed and provided his legal name, address, etc) the authorities would have discovered the fact that he is a felon and not allowed to own a firearm. Did he really think that the authorities would let him own a handgun? This man came across as a genuinely nice honest person. I believed him when he told me he would show me where the meteorite fell, that he found it the night of the fall and that he had the meteorite in a safety deposit box. As it turned out, everything he told me was not true. He had already sold the meteorite to another hunter, he had told the other hunter the true find location and he did not discover the stone the night of the fall. It wasn't until another hunter trained him what to look for that he discovered it. It is still a spectacular meteorite and I do not want to take anything away from this beautiful specimen. I just want to make it clear that I had no idea that he was a felon and was tricking me. If he simply would have declined to exchange the handgun as part of the deal he never would have ended up in trouble. Of course, he would have still been lying to me about everything else. I still am having a hard time understanding why a certain meteorite hunter who is a member of a respected meteorite collectors group would stand up for this young man and feel that he should have been able to keep the gun. I still don't know how else this could have been handled. Perhaps he didn't take the time to get all of the facts. So for those who are or will be out in the field hunting for the Battle Mountain meteorite do not be duped by strangers in the field. Although I am certain that there are plenty of good people out there in the field. In my opinion there are also a few who may not be as honest. Below are links to some articles I found on the man in question. http://smalltownnews.com/article.php?catname=Local%20Government&pub=The%20Long%20Valley%20Advocate&pid=164pub=Long%20Valley%20Advocate&aid=45143 http://lva.stparchive.com/Archive/LVA/LVA04142010p08.php Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Battle Mountain Field report / strewn field conditions / etc.
Hi All, I have posted a few pictures of the strewnfield and a large chondrite on my website.A couple of the roads in the area will be posted with No trespassing signs later this week. The reason is for mine safety regulations.The project supervisor was very nice and explained the biggest concern is safety.If anything was to happen on the mining clam, the site would be shut down. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Battle_Mt.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (Off topic) regarding two amazing finds
Hi All, I just wanted to thank everyone who commented on the puppies off and on List. I would bet that if any of you had come across the pups that you would have helped them too. Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (Off Topic) Two amazing finds!
Hi List, Here are a few pictures from my last meteorite excursion. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Trip_Report_2.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to contact Richard Garcia
Hi , Does anyone have Richard Garcia's email? Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Verish Birthday Party Photos
Hi Michael, Thanks, for posting the pictures. Happy Birthday to Bob and Moni and hi to all that attended. Sonny -Original Message- From: Michael Blood To: Meteorite List Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Verish Birthday Party Photos Hi AllToday Angel and I made the trip up north about 35 miles to Escondidoto attend a joint birthday party for Bob and Moni Verish, who were bornwithin a week of one another(+/- 7 years). To our surprise and delight theparty was also attended by 3 other members of the Southern CaliforniaMeteorite & Tektite Club: Paul and Janice Harris (of Meteorite Exchange) andthe noted meteorite hunter, Richard Garcia (no relation to Ruben Garcia).Great stories of Sutter's Mill (Moni found a 17g+ specimen there) and Rubenbrought his outstanding Holbrook find. Also on display were some otherimpressive specimens, including what was labeled as "the main mass" of GoldBasin, and a splendid thing it is, too.Thought you all might enjoy some of the photos:Best wishes, MichaelClick on any Photo to ENLARGEhttp://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/VerishBDParty2012.html__ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sort of OT (except for Brix!): North Las Vegas bobcat
Hi Rob, I was working that night when the incident occurred. Georgia heard Brix barking and a large cat screaming. Georgia shined a light in the direction and saw the fight. During the fight she thought she had seen a second set of eyes on the block wall as Brix was on the ground with the other animal.The Department of Wildlife officer thought the fur that was found on the wall and kennel looked like it may possibly be a bobcat but the large covered scant piles did not match a bobcat scant.The officer's only explanation regarding the large scant piles could possibly be from a bobcat that was eating dog food form one of the neighbors yards. I'm still not sure what kind of animal it was. The cat was a little shorter than Brix by 8-10" and not as long but stocky. The animal hung around also for around 15-20 minutes from start to finish. For me, the news story was disturbingly ignorant about bobcats on many levels, and it is a shame that the slant seemed designed to stoke the irrational fears that some people have about them. Yes I feel the same way. I have seen many bobcats in the field and they act just like a house cat curious and slow moving. Also my thoughts would be to leave the cat alone and let it live.The animal has been around for at lest six months and has never caused any problems before and I really doubt it will come back. I have also closed the gate to the kennel to keep Brix from area just in case it does come back. Sonny -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert D. To: wahlperry ; meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Jun 15, 2012 11:37 am Subject: Sort of OT (except for Brix!): North Las Vegas bobcat Hi Sonny, Glad to hear Brix is fine! Is your neighborhood sure the interloper was a bobcat? No way would a bobcat ~intentionally~ go up against a German Shepherd, or any comparably-sized dog. They are quite shy of humans and large dogs; a Brix-bobcat encounter pretty much requires the cat to accidentally enter the yard not knowing a dog is present. In such cases, I should think the cat would be quite lucky to survive the encounter. For me, the news story was disturbingly ignorant about bobcats on many levels, and it is a shame that the slant seemed designed to stoke the irrational fears that some people have about them. Yes, if you have a Maltese in your backyard, a bobcat might have it for lunch. But more likely a coyote would get to it first. In my neighborhood when there is a bobcat sighting, the police come out and educate the homeowners that they are natural, not a danger, and not to be concerned about them. Yes, they will go after small animals if given the opportunity, but coyotes are far more aggressive ... and far more numerous. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites! Thank You
Hi List, I just wanted to Thank everyone for their kind words and concern for Brix. I think (and hope) the cat must have headed for a more peaceful yard because we have not seen or heard anything since the incident. It is pretty rare to have this happen in Las Vegas but from the responses I got it seems like it is more common than we thought. Thanks Again, Sonny -Original Message- From: wahlperry To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites! Hi All,Early this morning Georgia was awoke to the sound of Brix barking ferociously in the backyard. It turned out there was an uninvited guest out back and Brix was not happy. Over the last couple of months we have been finding large piles of scat that had been buried in the kennel. We thought Brix had been watching our cats a little too much and had started burying his droppings. Well as is turns out it was from a suspected Bobcat. We are not sure yet. The Department of Wildlife is investigating. Talk about an exciting morning! Brix got an early Rabies shot booster and is perfectly fine except for a little lost fur and a couple scratches on his forehead! Hopefully they will be willing to relocate the cat. Time will tell. There is a news link below.Sonnyhttp://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18783046/bobcat-attacks-dog-in- northwest-las-vegas__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites!
Hi All, Early this morning Georgia was awoke to the sound of Brix barking ferociously in the backyard. It turned out there was an uninvited guest out back and Brix was not happy. Over the last couple of months we have been finding large piles of scat that had been buried in the kennel. We thought Brix had been watching our cats a little too much and had started burying his droppings. Well as is turns out it was from a suspected Bobcat. We are not sure yet. The Department of Wildlife is investigating. Talk about an exciting morning! Brix got an early Rabies shot booster and is perfectly fine except for a little lost fur and a couple scratches on his forehead! Hopefully they will be willing to relocate the cat. Time will tell. There is a news link below. Sonny http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18783046/bobcat-attacks-dog-in-northwest-las-vegas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale Ad-Moapa Valley CM1 small pieces for sale
Hi List, I have some small pieces of Moapa Valley CM1 for sale. These are fragments from a recent slice that was cut. As you know Moapa Valley is the only CM1 available for sale to the Public. TKW 699 grams. Here is a link to the sale page. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1_2.html Here is the link to the classification. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Sale_page_1.html Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull
Hi Greg, This is a very exciting meteorite, every day reveals just a little bit more... What other meteorite has the honor of being used to calibrate systems to be used on a spacecraft destined to return samples from an asteroid? :) I know they will be using a couple different Carbonaceous meteorites also for the calibration including Moapa Valley CM1 and Murchison. Sonny -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé To: meteorite-list Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 7:26 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull Hey all,I think Jeff stated it pretty clearly as far as the speed of the name approval. I believe that this week, or even next, is the deadline for abstracts to be submitted for the August conference in Australia, and that is why the name was approved so quickly with a 'placeholder' classification. I have seen this happen several times in the past. It does help the scientists get the info out in the next conference with an officially approved name, but it does lead to confusion in the initial MetBull entry. I think everyone needs to remember, as Jeff has stated a few times, that work is still under way by many labs around the world, and that the initial 'class' info will be defined as the abstracts and other future analysis proceeds.This is a very exciting meteorite, every day reveals just a little bit more... What other meteorite has the honor of being used to calibrate systems to be used on a spacecraft destined to return samples from an asteroid? :)Best Regards,GregGreg HupéThe Hupé Collectiongmhupe@centurylink.netwww.LunarRock.comNaturesVault (eBay & Facebook)http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVaultIMCA 3163Click here for my current eBay auctions:http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault-Original Message- From: Michael GilmerSent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:02 PMTo: Jeff GrossmanCc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBullHi Jeff and List,I think the speedy approval and publication is a great service to themeteorite community as a whole (science and laypeople alike), becauseit provides authoritative data during an event that is stillunfolding, and this might help prevent some misunderstandings ormisinformation that could have resulted without a publishedclassification. Great job on getting it done quick. :)On the other hand, I am a bit puzzled by the temporary "place-holder"type of "C - Carbonaceous". I understand what it means and why it wasselected. However, this seems unusual for an approval that ispublished in the database. We don't see this very often. In thepast, the release of an approved classification was usually withhelduntil a more definitive conclusion was reached on the petrologic type.In other words, we don't see too many of these "placeholder"classification types. Am I wrong, or did Sutter's Mill merit thisbecause of it's important and unusual nature?Best regards,MikeG-- ---Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeGWeb: http://www.galactic-stone.comFacebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstoneTwitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStoneRSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516---On 5/22/12, Jeff Grossman wrote:> Yes, that is what I meant.>> On 5/22/2012 7:08 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote:>> Hi Greg,> Wow - that classification was fast, exactly one month. I guess now it>>> needs to be compared to the other C's and if there are three alike,>>> perhaps a brand new C-chondrite group.>> Don't read too much into the simple "C" classification. This is very>> preliminary, and the classification will no doubt gain specificity as>> analyses at multiple labs are performed. (This is what Jeff meant>> in the "be patient" comment below.) For now, think of "C" as a>> placeholder: we know it's a carbonaceous chondrite. ;-) --Rob -Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman>> Sent: 22 May 2012 21:31:47 GMT>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL in MetBull For those of you who are disappointed in the classification, be patient.>> Science sometimes takes time. I'm sure various groups will be refining>> this in coming days and weeks. Jeff __ Visit the Archives at>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html>> Meteorite-list mailing list>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>> __>> Visit the Archives at> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteo
Re: [meteorite-list] May Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up
Hi Paul and Jim, Thanks for another great Issue of Meteorite Times! Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Harris To: meteorite-list Sent: Mon, May 21, 2012 8:24 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] May Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up Hello Everyone,The May issue of Meteorite Times is now up.The following URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash Magazine View, and Mobile PDF.http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/This page has an easy way to view all of the "Mag View" issues in the "Archives" section of the page.http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docsThis URL provides an easier way to access the archive of articles by column from April 2002 through August 2009. This URL is available from the Home page and also on the Horizontal Menu Bar.http://www.meteorite-times.com/article-archives/Enjoy!Paul and Jim__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Just for the record - Sutter's Mill
Hi List, I wanted to make a few comments about my time hunting the Sutter's Mill fall. Overall it has been a great experience. The majority of hunters and landowners seemed to work well together. I met some great people and several have invited us back to hunt some areas that were hard to obtain permission to hunt (later in the season when the grass dies). I will be uploading pictures over the next few days. It is such a beautiful area. I do have to mention something that really disappointed me. I heard that a sore subject was brought up again by a member of the meteorite community. Apparently he called me a liar. Interestingly enough, I thought that this was water under the bridge since we have discussed the topic and shook hands several times in the past. Sometimes one finds themselves in a difficult position regarding privileged information and must honor another person's request. A few years ago I was asked to keep the whereabouts of certain individuals confidential due to the potential of a mad rush of hunters into an area. I chose to honor that request and keep their whereabouts quiet. Another individual( who I barely knew) took offense to the fact that I chose not to disclose information and felt that I was invading his state/backyard. In hindsight I guess I should have said "I really can't tell you" rather than being evasive. But again it is none of his business where any of us hunt meteorites. I am free to hunt any state I chose. The same as he is free to hunt wherever he chooses. This individual asked me how I would feel if he were to hunt in my state/backyard without letting me know. It is none of my business where he hunts. And for this person to make a statement over the last week to a few friends of mine that it was not him on the phone talking to a landowner who had surveillance video. We both know that is not true because he called me right away and told me that he had just got off the phone with this person. I have information from respectable sources in the meteorite community that this individual provided derogatory information to another list member to post about me on this List on more than one occasion. Then later this individual was running for an elected position and made phone calls to my home insisting that I call a few well known meteorite hunters and clear his name of any wrongdoing or rumors. It definitely seemed like he was trying to blackmail me. Stating something like "I can make things a lot worse for you". What did that mean? I was not sure what exactly he was accusing me of saying about him since I never said anything in public about him (good or bad). This phone call (which we have a record of) really upset me and my wife. I was able to get my friends to call this individual and reassure him that I never said anything negative about him. This individual then called me back and apologized for threatening to "make things a lot worse" and said he hoped he had not upset my wife too much. We agreed to try and put this behind us and move on( I thought we had). Due to the fact that I no longer have restrictions about this issue I can speak freely without fear of reprimand. I have since dealt with the initial issue and no longer want to have my name dragged through the mud. Those that know me know that I am a good man. They know what I do for a living over the past 28 years. I worked hard to get where I am in my career and as a meteorite hunter. I have never been handed anything and I am proud of that. Enough is Enough. Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill meteorite hunt pictures
Hi List, I uploaded some pictures of my Sutter's Mill find along with several great pictures from the hunting trip including the Trouble Maker Rapids. I hope to shoot these rapids next month in my new kayak. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sutter%22s_Mill,CA_Fireball_2012_1.html Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GIRL POWER
Hi Moni, Way to go! Super find! Sonny -Original Message- From: Paul Gessler To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, May 2, 2012 12:30 am Subject: [meteorite-list] GIRL POWER Congrats Monica!Girls have Rocked this show. Paul G__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Meteorite Hunt
Hi List, I just got in tonight from a week long hunt at Sutter's Mill. I would like to thank Marc Fries and Rob Matson for their tireless efforts coordinating all the data. These two folks made it all possible. Thanks, you guys rock! It was great to see everyone out in the field working together to recover pieces of this rare fall. It was a pleasure to see such comradery amongst all of the teams. I hope to have the pictures up on my web site over the next few days. You will be surprised at some of the shots. It was a blast. I will include a picture of my spectacular 8.3 gram fully fusion crusted oriented complete stone. The fusion crust just glistens in the sun. I wish the best of luck to the hunters still out in the field. Who knows, maybe I can try and get back out next week. It amazes me how popular this carbonaceous chondrite is . Who would think that this suspected CM chondrite is selling in the field for three times the price of a witnessed martian meteorite fall. Thanks, Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunter Scours The Ground For Bits Of Sky
Hi Ruben, Great article! Way to go. Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible new Carbonaceous Chondrite CV find
Hi All, Here are a couple of pictures of a possible 4g CV Nevada find. The fragment was windowed in the field. Upon closer inspection under normal light I was able to see numerous CAIs with a few small chondrules. The pictures are larger in slide show view. Time to go look for the rest of the meteorite. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PVC death trap / Off topic
Hi All, Here are a couple more pictures of PVC mining claim markers that I found on the last meteorite hunting trip. : / http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Birds.html Thanks, Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap
Hi Mark and List, I wasn't implying that you were "anti-mining" No worries, I never thought that you were implying that. Sorry if my post seemed that way. You are right about the man made hazards. There have been a number of tragic deaths in Nevada from people falling into abandoned open pit mines. What a cool story about saving the deer. How on earth did you ever get him out? Best Regards, Sonny -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling To: wahlperry ; meteorite-list ; mexicodoug Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap I agree with you Sonny - I wasn't implying that you were "anti-mining". So sorry to anybody who took it that way. I agree the pipes shouldn't be used, even if they are legal. I read the original article before writing my response but I missed the part that said some caps have been falling off, but I do see that mentioned this new article. That's a shame. My caps were pretty tight because I've had to remove them to correct bad info that I carved into them. Still, many of mine have probably fallen off by now too. Another problem not mentioned is that the PVC beaks down and the pipes break, creating new openings... I've seen a lot of broken ones in the field. It's ultimately up to the regulators to define what markers are allowed, and if anybody doesn't comply, they will have to waste their time and money doing it right because their claim is invalid. That should be motivation enough to do it right going forward. They also say they can face fines through the migratory bird treaty act. But the problem is all the historic, abandoned markers. How do you fine people for something that was a condoned legal practice? I think the only way to get the problem fixed is for people like us to pull them out one by one when we happen upon them. But be careful, this a state issue because most states define how to mark federal mining claims. I think the posts are still legal in some states, and you could get in trouble for removing them. It may just be allowed in Nevada, so ask your local BLM office about it if you're in another state. I will inquire here in AZ. I'd like to point out that while thousands of claim markers are a huge hazard for birds, there are other hazards too. Litter is a huge problem and it's been illegal for a long time. The vast majority of the claims were staked with the blessing of the BLM. Nobody saw the hazard before now. The article mentions lizards. I've found hundreds of dead lizards, snakes and such in beer bottles/cans, and many dead deer and even a live one trapped in large dig holes. It felt good getting the live, though weak deer out of the hole. We fenced off the hole (it was an old prospect pit). I have also found dead animals that were trapped in abandoned cars. A lot of desert tortoises unfortunately die each year because of man-made hazards. It's amazing what you can find. Abandoned tires, man, what a mess they cause... Wildcat dumping is still rampant, and I'm not talking just about the huge problem of smugglers leaving acres of crap at transfer points. So folks really should think before they leave their trash the "vast empty desert". They should ask themselves, "would I dispose of this in my back yard or dump it on my living room floor?". Pack it in and pack it out. It's not hard concept, but how many times have you taken someone out and watched them throw stuff down?... And if you stake a claim, don't use hollow pipes to mark it, even if it's a legal method. I will not. o(:?-D Happy hunting, Mark From: "wahlpe...@aol.com" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; mexicod...@aim.com; mina...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap Hi Doug, Mark and List, First thanks for all the great replies. I want to point out that I am NOT anti- mining. I have been a lifelong Nevada resident and I believe that mining and wildlife can co-exist in our State. My main purpose was to increase public awareness of this problem. I was saddened by what I found in the PVC marker and would like to see the problem cease. I believe many of these tragic deaths( if not all) can be avoided. Over the years while exploring the deserts of the Southwest I have crossed paths with many of the PVC markers. Some of the valleys are covered with markers as far as the eye can see. Many of the claims are long forgotten and the only reminder are the broken markers littering the Desert floor. In fact our State Bird the mountain bluebird has frequently fallen victim to these pipes. Here is a link to an article. PVC pipes trapping, killing birds by the thousands "A troubling find was that "about half of those markers
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap
Hi Doug, Mark and List, First thanks for all the great replies. I want to point out that I am NOT anti- mining. I have been a lifelong Nevada resident and I believe that mining and wildlife can co-exist in our State. My main purpose was to increase public awareness of this problem. I was saddened by what I found in the PVC marker and would like to see the problem cease. I believe many of these tragic deaths( if not all) can be avoided. Over the years while exploring the deserts of the Southwest I have crossed paths with many of the PVC markers. Some of the valleys are covered with markers as far as the eye can see. Many of the claims are long forgotten and the only reminder are the broken markers littering the Desert floor. In fact our State Bird the mountain bluebird has frequently fallen victim to these pipes. Here is a link to an article. PVC pipes trapping, killing birds by the thousands "A troubling find was that "about half of those markers that HAD PROTECTIVE CAPS put in place at some earlier point in time, now had those caps DISPLACED, on the ground nearby," said state biologist Christy Klinger. "So the hazard from the pipe became re-established."Here is a link to the article. http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8955697-pvc-pipes-trapping-killing-birds-by-the-thousands Sorry for the incomplete post. I have a meteorite hunting trip planned today with a small army of PETA types to spread out into the desert knocking over snd deatroying other peoplesproperty markers and hopefully find a few meteorites. : ) Sonny -Original Message- From: MexicoDoug To: minador ; meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trap Hi Mark, everyone,It's too bad society needs rules but with so many humans overrrunning the wilderness, the best way to deal with it is work on a responsible collecting/mining/4-wheeling/detecting/etc. personal policy and showcase it for all to see - just like Sonny - then regulations are not zealously pursued and the offended find other causes more urgently in need and leave us alone.I hear you, but just like everything we seem to get involved in that is outdoors, a few bad apples can spoil it for the 90%+ of people who really are law abidng common sense toting individuals and that is where the regulators are forced to move, and in this case people that don't clean up after themselfs, maybe because they died, or some other possibly easily understandable reason.There are always people with different priorities and I agree a bird zealot may seem over the top for a meteorite hunter. But then again, a miner might not appreciate someone snooping over the above grounds rights of a meteorite hunter and if enough meteorite hunters are in areas with mining claims with enough rotten apples acting suspiciously in a place like Gold Basin for example, the PETA bird zealot becomes the miner and the meteorite hunter suffers.Who said, "common sense is not so common". It's been that way since I was a kid metal detecting. Even going back to the 1960's Handbook of metal detectors (the only outdated book on detectors I found as a 9-year old in the library, the advice is "cover your holes!" same principle, same danger, different day ;-) Look at the bright side of things. It won't give the bird an opportunity to evolve into building human tube traps that at night, lost meteorite hunters who are so cold that they scamper in them for the crucial welcomed cover thanking their instincts and happily fall asleep a little cold, but not frozen, only to wake up in the warming sun to find themselves inside a tomb which allows them to see the sky but is to slippery to lift themselves out no matter how much they beat themselves against the solitary confinement, all they while slowly getting cooked alive in a roman style birdmade oven, until their shreiks of nervous terror are extinguished by overheating bodies and a sudden onset of a peaceful dehydration.Kindest wsiehsDoug-Original Message-From: Mark Bowling To: Count Deiro ; cetuspa ; meteorite-list Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2012 1:14 amSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: PVC death trapHi Count,They made it illegal to put up uncapped markers, but because nobody did anythingwith the old, markers that define mostly defunct claims (which should have beenan obvious outcome), they made all PVC markers illegal. I think they should still allow pipe to be used (PVC or otherwise), but that itmust be capped. And they can still allow people to remove (but leave in place)any uncapped markers (because they are important boundary markers). I think ablanket outlawing of any use of PVC as a marker is an over reaction. There is astrong anti-mining movement, and it is sad to give them the excuse to removeresponsible capped pipes, just because the pipe is PVC and they don't likeminers. I think a common sense should be applied. Happy
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting trip Report / Off Topic
Hi All, I decided to spend the day exploring a new location for meteorites. With the day time high expected to reach 50 degrees what more could you ask for? Brix and I spent the day exploring a bluff that overlooked a large valley. As I was walking along I noticed a white PVC mining claim marker (nothing new in Nevada). A couple of months ago I had read an article in the local newspaper about the PVC mine claim markers. The article was about claim markers and how the State of Nevada decided to outlaw the PVC markers. Under the new law in the State of Nevada you can pull the marker up and lay it next to the location where you found it. The article stated "Basically they're black holes for birds, literally and figuratively. Once they're inside, it's a one-way trip." The marker I found was supported by several large stones. As I pulled the marker from its location I could see something stuffed in the base of the marker and in the hole. Resting in the bottom of the hole were three bird skulls and as I began to shake the PVC pipe more skulls and parts fell from the pipe. The pipe had entombed 14 birds. You can rest assured from this point on every marker that I see will be knocked over. Here are the links for the pictures and the newspaper article. Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Birds.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/mining-claim-markers-blamed-for-thousands-of-bird-deaths-133346378.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Puerto Lapice, pictures of Leonard, Marie and the today find...
Hi Fabien and Marie, Way to go! I can't wait to see the rest of the pictures. Sonny -Original Message- From: Fabien Kuntz To: meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 10:43 am Subject: [meteorite-list] Puerto Lapice, pictures of Leonard, Marie and the today find... Sonny, and List you mean like this :-) http://wwmeteorites.com/Images/PuertoLapiceMarie01.JPGhttp://wwmeteorites.com/Images/PuertoLapiceMarie02.JPGhttp://wwmeteorites.com/Images/PuertoLapiceMarie03.JPGToday last day of the trip, Marie found her first, lovely, completetely crusted Puerto Lapice... Close to the five years after the fall now, hunt is realy hard and specimens rare, but looks-like the first day (more or less ;-)Will try to picture this specimen, the best of the trip, better when come back home...FabienFabien KuntzMétéorites (ventes, expertise, conférences)Animation scientifique et techniqueWWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017)www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list