[meteorite-list] Brix's meteorite hunting training video Part 2

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I just finished Part 2 of Brix's meteorite training video. I can't wait 
for the next fall.  Here is the link below.


Thanks,
Sonny

www.nevadameteorites.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eqlNIXKzk0
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[meteorite-list] Moapa Valley Microscopic Photos by Tom Phillips

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I have recently posted a couple new pictures of the interior of my 
latest find , an ordinary chondrite. I also have posted several really 
cool microscopic photos of Moapa Valley CM1 taken by  Tom Phillips. 
Arlene Schlazer asked Tom to do this work for her. Tom really had a 
challenge working with this type of chondrite as it was difficult to 
photograph.


Thanks,
Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Moapa_Valley_Microcopic_photos.html

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt

[wahlperry]

Hi Abe,

What you achieved many people only dream of. To find a meteorite on 
your own, with no help, a true cold find is awesome. And even better to 
have your son along for the exciting find!  It's amazing how the 
Meteorite Men show inspired so many people. I remember how I watched a 
program about 10 years ago that inspired me. It featured Bob Haag and 
it was on the Discovery Channel. I imagine the Meteorite Men show will 
motivate many new hunters to get out in the field and start hunting. 
Perhaps even find a rare meteorite, an American Lunar?


Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Guenther 
To: wahlperry ; meteorite-list 


Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 1:29 pm
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt


Hi Sonny,I will have to tell my son that I talked to you! I'm sure he 
will beimpressed. He watched Meteorite Men with me and because of that 
episode thatyou were on, I was able to convince him to come along. He 
had heard me forover a year talking about wanting to go meteorite 
hunting but it was onlyafter that episode that he was excited about it. 
Because of certaincircumstances, he and I have not had the opportunity 
to take many father andson trips and so it meant a great deal to me 
when he decided to come. He isa typical cool kid (that age where 
friends come first) and if you knew him,you would think he's not the 
type to be interested. I was expecting him tobe kind of a spectator but 
to my surprise he was really into it.I marked the GPS and hope to get 
out there again in January if all goeswell. No telling how well I will 
do but will be sure to report back.Abe Guenther-Original 
Message-From: wahlpe...@aol.com [mailto:wahlpe...@aol.com] Sent: 
Friday, November 19, 2010 8:45 PMTo: abe.guent...@mnsi.net; 
meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.comsubject: Re: [meteorite-list] First 
Meteorite HuntHi Abe,Great find. You need to go find the rest of them : 
)Sonny-Original Message-From: Guenther 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 10:26 
amSubject: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite HuntHere is a short story 
about a first time meteorite hunting experience.I live in an area of 
Canada that has not yielded any meteorites to speak ofso I knew I 
needed to look at hotter, dryer areas for the best chance at 
asuccessful first trip. I did over a year of research and planning 
before Ifinally made my decision where to go. I read countless success 
stories andwatched a lot of meteorite hunting shows and videos on 
YouTube beforenarrowing my search. Almost overwhelmed at all the places 
I could try, a fewweeks before the much awaited trip I decided on 
Nevada. Besides the cheapairfare to Vegas, there were lots of success 
stories near Vegas. I had a fewplaces mapped out in Nevada, Arizona and 
California that I wanted to huntover the 9 day trip. After finding 
nothing in 5 days of my lone journey itwas time to pick up my son who 
flew in to join me for the final 4 days.Considering this was his first 
time too, I am sure he wasn't too confidentsince his dad hadn't found 
anything yet. But he and I both knew we weresaving the best place for 
last! This was the part of the trip we were bothanticipating because 
our destination several hours away would be to a drylake bed that we 
knew had yielded some meteorites just recently. Since itwas supposed to 
be a secret location, we were confident that if there werestill any 
meteorites left, we would find some.It rained a lot on the way so we 
were concerned about how bad it might be onthe lake bed. We arrived at 
the dry lake area near dark so all we wanted todo the first day was 
figure out how to get to the lake since there were noclear roads to 
access it. We could hardly wait to get out there the nextmorning bright 
and early. We finally made it to the lake bed at about 9:00amafter a 
muddy trek and nearly 2 hours travel from the motel. The rain 
haddefinitely made it slippery but we were surprises that it wasn't 
actuallytoo bad on the lake bed itself. The first day didn't yield 
anything specialexcept a really fun time. My son found a complete dried 
out coyote skullthat he kept and an arrow head. We also found a several 
rocks that drew ourmagnets but they were obviously not meteorites 
because of deep, sharpcavities and what we would soon discover over the 
next couple of days, thiswas a common rock in the area. We usually 
parked and then walked for a fewhours at a time and when we started to 
get tired, we would just drive thetruck during our rests. It was during 
one of these drives that I happen tolook to my left and noticed what I 
thought was another cow patty. I stoppedand the first thing I did when 
I got out was kick it. It didn't move. Idon't remember what I said but 
my son knew that I was excited aboutsomething. I picked it up and it 
felt like 5 pounds. It was unusually heavycompared to the other rocks. 
I had no doubt it would draw the magnet but itwas surprisin

Re: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt

[wahlperry]

Hi Abe,

Great find. You need to go find the rest of them : )

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Guenther 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Fri, Nov 19, 2010 10:26 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] First Meteorite Hunt


Here is a short story about a first time meteorite hunting experience.I 
live in an area of Canada that has not yielded any meteorites to speak 
ofso I knew I needed to look at hotter, dryer areas for the best chance 
at asuccessful first trip. I did over a year of research and planning 
before Ifinally made my decision where to go. I read countless success 
stories andwatched a lot of meteorite hunting shows and videos on 
YouTube beforenarrowing my search. Almost overwhelmed at all the places 
I could try, a fewweeks before the much awaited trip I decided on 
Nevada. Besides the cheapairfare to Vegas, there were lots of success 
stories near Vegas. I had a fewplaces mapped out in Nevada, Arizona and 
California that I wanted to huntover the 9 day trip. After finding 
nothing in 5 days of my lone journey itwas time to pick up my son who 
flew in to join me for the final 4 days.Considering this was his first 
time too, I am sure he wasn't too confidentsince his dad hadn't found 
anything yet. But he and I both knew we weresaving the best place for 
last! This was the part of the trip we were bothanticipating because 
our destination several hours away would be to a drylake bed that we 
knew had yielded some meteorites just recently. Since itwas supposed to 
be a secret location, we were confident that if there werestill any 
meteorites left, we would find some.It rained a lot on the way so we 
were concerned about how bad it might be onthe lake bed. We arrived at 
the dry lake area near dark so all we wanted todo the first day was 
figure out how to get to the lake since there were noclear roads to 
access it. We could hardly wait to get out there the nextmorning bright 
and early. We finally made it to the lake bed at about 9:00amafter a 
muddy trek and nearly 2 hours travel from the motel. The rain 
haddefinitely made it slippery but we were surprises that it wasn't 
actuallytoo bad on the lake bed itself. The first day didn't yield 
anything specialexcept a really fun time. My son found a complete dried 
out coyote skullthat he kept and an arrow head. We also found a several 
rocks that drew ourmagnets but they were obviously not meteorites 
because of deep, sharpcavities and what we would soon discover over the 
next couple of days, thiswas a common rock in the area. We usually 
parked and then walked for a fewhours at a time and when we started to 
get tired, we would just drive thetruck during our rests. It was during 
one of these drives that I happen tolook to my left and noticed what I 
thought was another cow patty. I stoppedand the first thing I did when 
I got out was kick it. It didn't move. Idon't remember what I said but 
my son knew that I was excited aboutsomething. I picked it up and it 
felt like 5 pounds. It was unusually heavycompared to the other rocks. 
I had no doubt it would draw the magnet but itwas surprising to see it 
stick so hard. This was the last hour of the lastday of the trip and 
all we could think is how lucky we had been to find ourfirst meteorite 
and to top it off, one so big!When we got home I still thought that we 
had been on the right lake bed. Ijust couldn't wait to tell everyone 
about our success! I looked up someonewho has excellent knowledge of 
meteorites and emailed him the pictures. Hewasn't quite convinced and 
so he had me take some more pictures. To mydelight, he emailed me back 
a "congratulations".  It was only after doingsome more research about 
the lake bed that I realized we were 100 miles awayfrom the lake bed we 
had researched. In a way I am sort of glad we went tothe wrong lake bed 
but I'm happy we didn't know at the time. I don't know ifwe discovered 
a new meteorite fall but it is fun to think we did. Ignoranceis bliss.A 
few pictures: 
http://aguenthe.mnsi.net/NM1.jpg,http://aguenthe.mnsi.net/NM2.jpg, 
http://aguenthe.mnsi.net/NM3.jpg,http://aguenthe.mnsi.net/NM4.jpg.Abe 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer Snake

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Hi Geo and List,

I agree snake bite treatment has changed over the years.  Rapid 
transportation along with antivenom is the antidote for a snakebite. I 
would always carry a cell phone, and a Spot locator / personal locator
in the field. With these two items, a cell phone and personal locator 
you increase your chances of survival. Antivenom is the antidote for a 
snakebite!  There are so many variables that it would be hard to say 
what is the ideal

thing to do.


Here is  some of the current research for a venomous snake bite.

Recommendations for the treatment of rattlesnake bites
have been the subject of debate. Tourniquets may not be
helpful in affecting overall outcome. Originally designed to
obstruct lymph flow, the significance of lymph drainage to
systemic morbidity and mortality has never been clearly es-
tablished. In addition, tourniquets may be applied too tightly,
leading to venous congestion and further damage to an already
injured extremity. In general, incision and suction may not be
considered  Some authorities still recommend
suction if a patient is more than an hour away from definitive
care, but it must be begun within 5 minutes and is of abso-
lutely no use if started more than 15 minutes after envenoma-
tion. At best no more than 10% to 20% of the venom can be
removed. In the past, applying ice had been recommended to
cool the snakebite area locally or even an entire extremity.
This is no longer recommended.

Recently the American Association of Poison Control
Centers and the American College of Emergency Physicians
have recommended the following measures for first aid: "(1)
immobilize the bitten part, (2) remove constrictive items and
rings, (3) put the victim at rest and (4)transport to the nearest
medical facility.


Venom ER
When snakes strike!
By Sean Bush, MD

Imagine that a rattlesnake has just bitten you. At first you can't 
believe it, but you look at your leg and there are two fang puncture 
wounds oozing blood. You have a strange metallic taste in your mouth. 
Your leg starts to swell and you develop severe pain. Your whole body 
goes numb. The muscles in your face, neck, and chest start to twitch 
and writhe. Breathing becomes difficult. You feel as if you are going 
to faint--as if you are going to die?

What should you do? Here is what you need to know.

First, call 911. Go to the closest emergency department where antivenom 
can be given to you. Antivenom is the antidote for snakebite. It binds 
venom and inactivates it so that further damage is stopped.
The case above describes what could happen in the worst case scenario. 
Sometimes snakebites result in only minor injury. However, it is not 
possible to predict which bites will result in mild symptoms and which 
can potentially kill you. Therefore, you should always seek immediate 
medical care after any venomous snakebite. All patients with 
rattlesnake bites should be admitted to the hospital.If a snake bites 
you
Let's return to our scenario of what could happen to you after a 
rattlesnake bite. You should try not to panic and minimize activity if 
possible. However, if you are alone in the wilderness or far from 
access to medical care, you may have to hike out to the nearest 
phone.Remove jewelry and tight-fitting clothes in anticipation of 
severe swelling. Do not cut across fang marks and do not try to suck 
out the venom with your mouth or a suction device. This could lead to 
complications and infections. A tourniquet is not recommended because 
it could cut off circulation. However, an ace wrap and splint may delay 
the time to death in the rare event of a fatal bite, but could risk 
further injury to an arm or leg.Do not take aspirin or ibuprofen after 
snakebite. Many snake venoms can thin the blood and these medicines may 
compound this effect, leading to bleeding.
Other first aid that does not help or that is potentially more harmful 
than the snakebite includes applying electric shock, drinking alcohol, 
and placing ice directly on the wound. Avoid further injury by staying 
away from the snake.
Paramedics should arrive shortly and start you on intravenous fluids. 
They should transport you to the hospital. Shortly after you arrive at 
the hospital, antivenom may be started. You may start to feel better. 
However, depending on the extent of injury, you may require pain 
medication and a surgeon may be called to evaluate your bite wounds.




Sonny







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From: GeoZay 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Mon, Nov 15, 2010 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mojave Green Jeans - Images of a Killer 
Snake



Not sure the ice thing would be a  good idea. The DoD, suggests that 
ice is a cause of amputation in snake  bites (see link below). Also the 
CDC and WebMD discourages the use of ice in  the treatment of 
snakebite.

Re: [meteorite-list] RECENT ADVANCE IN THE USE OF ANIMALS TO LOCATE METEORITES.

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I along with Brix and his pack have come up with a solution to tackle 
those pesky meteorite strewn field rats!!...  : )


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/RAT_PATROL.html


Sonny



-Original Message-
From: Greg Hupe 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 10:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RECENT ADVANCE IN THE USE OF ANIMALS TO
LOCATE METEORITES.


Request from Guido
"...The Mohave Green!!"..."

http://www.lunarrock.com/guido/025.jpg


Members of the North American Lunar Search Team, puzzled at the high
mortality rate of the team's stock of expensive trained meteorite

rats,

discovered early this morning that a competitive instinct possessed

by

another desert dweller has resulted in an unfortunate series of

lethal

encounters. The animal in question apparently takes offense at the

rats

searching in it's turf. Team members have so far failed in their

attempts

to train the animal mainly due to lack of volunteers.

Regards to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

PS: Adam Hupe, Zan, Guido and Joan, Dave and Lisa Hemby were hunting

the

Mojave this morning and met the deadly Mojave Green. He buzzed Dave

from

two feet. Dave landed six feet away. The rest of us scattered.


http://www.lunarrock.com/guido/025.jpg


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: New Whitecourt Canadian Crater Iron and Tons of New Material!

[wahlperry]

Hi Mike, Jason and Rob

Way to go, and congratulations on the great hunt.


Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Mike Bandli 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 2:57 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: New Whitecourt Canadian Crater Iron and 
Tons of New Material!



Dear List,This week's AD is a big one! There are 4 parts:1. I am 
pleased to announce availability of a new crater meteorite - 
TheWhitecourt Crater Meteorite from Alberta, Canada. After a lengthy 
wait, wefinally received export permits from Canada for material we 
collected duringour expedition. All the material we are offering is 
ready for immediateshipment anywhere in the world. No waiting! You may 
follow the link below tosee available specimens. When ordering, please 
specify several choices as weanticipate these might go 
quickly:http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Whitecourt-Sale.
html2. I have also added some of the best Buzzard Coulee slices you 
will everfind. Check them out! Many of us have nice stones, but very 
few haverepresentative slices to show how beautiful an H4 they really 
are. They arefrom a very fresh stone I recovered after the initial 
frost/snow. This iseverything I have, so there won't be 
more!http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html3. 
There are many other new specimens added on the general sales page. 
Somenice Allende with museum labels, Chergach, Bensour, and some 
unusualmeteorite related antiques and 
curiosities.http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html4.
 I have a nice run of auctions ending tomorrow. Many new specimens 
allstarted at 99 cents. Some nice historic and witnessed 
falls:http://shop.ebay.com/historic-meteorites/m.htmlFinally, please 
bear with me on communication during next week. My wife willbe giving 
birth on Monday (scheduled c-section) to our new son Weston, and Iwill 
be sneaking in naps in-between feeding, stinky diapers, and taking 
careof my recovering wife and other son. I will try and get things 
shipped justas soon as I can.All done then! As always, thanks for 
looking and have a great weekend!--Mike 
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Missile" deja vu

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Hi Rob,

I think you may be wrong.  It's a solid propellant out board propellant 
missile. You can tell from the efflux [ smoke ].  On the youtube video 
at 4.26 minutes into the tape you can hear the outboard motor on the 
missile 

as it get closer to the earth."    :  )


Sonny





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From: Rob Matson 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 5:56 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] "Missile" deja vu

Hi All,For the few remaining people that have lingering doubts aboutthe 
cause of the November 8th southern California mystery contrail,I invite 
you to watch this YouTube video of a remarkably similarevent seen from 
Key West, Florida, on New Years Eve 
2008:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVmjpDZLN0Best,Rob__
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats

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Hi Dirk and List,

I advise against anybody using a rat to hunt in a strewn field. I tried 
hunting with a large rat once but it turned out bad. The rat only 
seemed to attract more rats to the area. So for me I have decided to 
stick with my dog.


Just my two cents on hunting!   : )

Sonny


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From: drtanuki 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2010 12:40 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats


Dear List,Hopper The Meteorite Dog and Brix The Dog will soon only be 
on TV?Rats now being used to search for landmines will soon be trained 
by meteorite hunters to hunt for meteorites, predicts 
LunarMeteorite*Hunter, Tokyo, Japan.  Rats have an acute sense for 
smell and are extremely accurate in detection; rat "packs" will soon be 
used to search strewn fields in Poland, Canada, the US and elsewhere. " 
Dogs will soon be out of use due to their large size and food 
consumption; rats are "in"".   
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/rats-may-soon-be-trained-to-search-for.html 
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[meteorite-list] Oregon / Washington Meteorite hunting regulations on BLM Land

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Hi list,

Sorry for the possible double post. Here is their reply from the BLM in 
Oregon regarding meteorite hunting.



Thanks,
Sonny



Sonny:  It is the Washington Office Policy that meteorites belong to 

the

Federal government, the policy statement on the BLM Oregon/Washington
website is taken from the Washington Office, this is partly based on 

Old
Woman Meteorite case (under the Antiquities Act) you mentioned and I 

have

attached.  In practise, there is no official guidance for us on how to
manage meteorites nor has this been put into the Code of Federal
Regulations and I'm not aware of any enforcement action being taken 

against
collectors on public lands.  I'm wondering if this policy was written 

more
for a significant meteorite find such as the Old Woman case, and would 

give

Federal government ability to assert ownership if it decided to, if the
meteorite had considerable scientific value?  Sorry, this isn't very 

clear

cut.  Steve



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[meteorite-list] Passing of Dean Miera

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I was on another hunting forum this morning when I came across some sad 
news. Dean Miera a meteorite hunter and a good man was killed in a car 
accident in New Mexico while on duty.He will truly

be missed by all.

Sonny








http://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/3003212metro10-30-10.htm

http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18295&st=0&p=141005&#entry141005

http://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/3003212metro10-30-10.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] Secret BLM maps

[wahlperry]

Hi Adam and List,

We can't tell you anything about locations. In  fact there are many 
more petroglyphs and over a hundred caves that are  not on;your maps 
and we can't tell you anything about."


This is for the protection and preservation of the native rock art and 
artifacts. I have photographed numerous locations only to return and to 
find the petroglyphs missing or destroyed. One area 20' by 20' 
 overhang / wall was covered with numerous carvings and removed by 
heavy equipment. At another location we found what looked to be a 
petroglyph of a man on a horse with one arm. This area was explored
by Major John Wesley Powell in 1869, the same fate could possible occur 
at this location if it was public knowledge.



I hope you were not in Oregon or Washington State when you talked to 
this BLM officer.  If you were, do not mention the word "meteorites" 
because they are now off limits there due them being considered 
treasure the last >year.



I contacted BLM in Oregon at the first of year for a project that we 
were working on and was told it is ok to hunt for meteorites but you 
may need a permit. Today I contacted another BLM field office and was 
told by the BLM geologist  it should be the same law State to State.  
As in Nevada, you are allowed to collect up to 250 pounds of minerals, 
rock and invertebrate fossils a year on BLM-administered land. I should 
have more information by the middle of next week.



Sonny




-Original Message-
From: Adam Hupe 
To: Adam 
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret BLM maps

Thomas 
wrote:***
*Last week I was walking along a dry lake bed and 
looked up to see the inevitable white truck parked next to mine. I 
walked back and had a  nice talk with a BLM officer. He was concerned 
that we were picking up artifacts, which we were not. My wife mentioned 
that we were going  to look for some petroglyphs and asked him about 
the roads in that  area. "No Mam", he says. "We can't tell you anything 
about locations. In  fact there are many more petroglyphs and over a 
hundred caves that are  not on your maps and we can't tell you anything 
about." Which makes me think that these locations must be a matter of 
record somewhere. Does the BLM have secret maps not available to the  
public?**
**I hope you were not in Oregon or Washington State 
when you talked to this BLM officer.  If you were, do not mention the 
word "meteorites" because they are now off limits there due them being 
considered treasure the last year.  The BLM field personal sure don't 
act like they are public servants and work for us in many cases.  It 
seems he could have been more helpful and offer some assistance since 
they work for you.  I found that they always seem to be secretive and 
avoid answering questions, especially in California where one lied to 
our group and told us we were hiking on radioactive soil.  I 
investigated his claims and found they were false after he managed to 
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men show

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Congratulations to Geoff and Steve on doing an outstanding job on the 
first episode of their second season. Way to go guys!


Sonny
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[meteorite-list] OT... Too scary to look at : ) Halloween Pumpkin at the Clarys

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Hi list,

Caution this might remind you of a certain List Member!   : )

Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] I have a problem with some rusting meteorites

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Hi Tim,

The only  way to stop the rusting is to send your slices to me. This 
dry Nevada climate will most certainly stop the rusting!  : )



Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Tim Heitz 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 5:04 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] I have a problem with some rusting meteorites


Hello List Members, 
 
I was hoping someone could help me with this one. 
I have 2 pallasites that are starting to show signs of rusting, an 
Admire and Fukang. 

 
Can someone please tell me what I can do to stop the rusting. Is there 
a way to clean 
them up and seal it against any further rusting.  I willing to try 
anything new that might work. 

Any ideas? 
 
I live in St.Louis, its very humid here, I know this might be hard to 
stop. 

 
Tim Heitz 
 
MIDWEST METEORITES  http://www.meteorman.org 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New 328g Chondrite, Nevada cold find.

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Hi Tim,
No, I found this one.  Brix is doing well on locating fresh meteorites 
but still needs help with the weathered ones. It  may not happen but 
who knows! It is hard maintaining his drive when the weather is still 
so warm here. Maybe I will know more when it cools down. Keep your 
fingers crossed!


Sonny




-Original Message-
From: Tim Heitz 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlpe...@aol.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New 328g Chondrite, Nevada cold find.


Hey Sonny, 
 
Great find, did Brix find this one? 
 
Tim Heitz 
 
 
 
 
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To: ; ; 
 

Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New 328g Chondrite, Nevada cold find. 
 

Hi All, 
 
Thanks for the great replies. This was my first time to this area . I 
hope > it turns out to be a new strewn field. Brix and I walked a lot 
of miles > just to find this beauty. 

 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New 328g Chondrite, Nevada cold find.

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Hi All,

Thanks for the great replies. This was my first time to this area . I 
hope it turns out to be a new strewn field. Brix and I walked a lot of 
miles just to find this beauty.


Sonny


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[meteorite-list] New 328g Chondrite, Nevada cold find.

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Hi List,

I just wanted to share a few photos of my new meteorite find.  It has
fractures on 2 sides and appears to be a small fragment from a multi
kilo piece. This chondrite has a reddish brown desert varnish coating
over the existing fusion crust. You can view the pictures or Play the 
slide show at


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaar d helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?

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Hi List,
Here is a Google translation of the story in English.

Sonny




15 years ago was a farmer Harold Skage on Hatlestrand move a stone that 
was not where it should. But it was no ordinary stone that lay on the 
ground.


- I lifted up the stone, but even if it was not so great it was so 
heavy that barely managed to lift it, "says Skage.


He knew at once that there was no common stone that had fallen on his 
farm.


- Because of the unusual weight, I got a gut feeling that this could be 
something that came from heaven, "says Skage.


Hidden treasure
In about 15 years lay buried and forgotten stone outside the house in 
Kvinnherad. It was not until Harald Skage mentioned it to the magazine 
Bygdadrøso built this year, the news came out.


- It's unbelievable that the stone has been such a well-kept secret to 
the media for so many years, "said Gerd Karin Mountain in Bygdadrøso.


Stølen contacted astrophysicist Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard, who 
immediately responded. He would like to take it very special stone a 
closer look.


- Yesterday, he came here - and did equally well with the whole family. 
They were all very interested and fascinated, "said Mountain.


- Norway History
Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard said that the discovery of about 59 kg is 
historic.


- It is Norway's history if this proves to be an iron meteorite. This 
makes it the second largest meteorite found in Norway ever, "he said.


The largest was found in Alta in 1902, and weighed 77.5 kg.

He is 99 percent sure that the rock is a meteorite, but can not 
guarantee it until investigations are carried out on the 
Mineralogical-Geological Museum at Tøyen in Oslo.


Røed Ødegaard wife Anne Mette Sannes is also passionate about 
meteorites.


- I had to come along to Hatlestrand to see for yourself, I was so 
curious!


She finds it exciting that we do not know how long the meteorite has 
been on the ground.


- Further investigations will determine the age of the stone, but for 
all we know it may have been there since our ancestors, "she said.






-Original Message-
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: bsoer...@online.no
Sent: Sun, Oct 10, 2010 8:54 am
Subject:  Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers Norways 2nd 
largest meteorite!?



http://www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/ 
 
http://www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html 
 
Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite 
in 

Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now. 
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a 
meteorite...;-) 

Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours. 
 
Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV,  but what does he 
know 

about stones, really? 
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this 
possible after all these years? 
 
(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com) 
What do you make out of the story and images? 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to want to see this

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Hi Mark,

Thanks for the data. Yes meteorites may be waiting to be picked up. The 
more people that stay home the more meteorites for me to find!


Sonny



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Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 11:46 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are 
going to want to see this



That's true, but people routinely recover meteorites that have been on 
the ground for longer than that.  And not all of the apparent strewn 
field area is farmland - there is a fairly large amount of wooded area 
there that has not been plowed.One of the things that I find amusing 
about the Meteorite List is that when there is the real possibility 
that there are meteorites to be found, the list tends to go silent!  I 
don't have a comment on that other than to say that it makes me 
chuckle.Cheers,Marc FriesOn Sep 24, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Richard Kowalski 
wrote:> Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this from a fall that 
occurred 3 1/2 years ago?> > Not that I am taking anything away from 
Marc's efforts, but if the stones have been the ground that long, I'd 
suspect that most have been plowed under several times and become well 
weathered. That might explain why there hasn't been any discussion so 
far.> > > --> Richard Kowalski> Full Moon Photography> IMCA #1081> > > 
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Meteorites USA  wrote:> >> 
From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: Re: 
[meteorite-list] New radar post - I suspect that y'all are going to 
want to see this>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> Date: 
Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:06 AM>> Looks good! Good work Marc. 
Funny how>> all the so called meteorite people >> don't have a comment 
in 10 whole hours since your post. No>> yay, no >> nay... Just 
silence... LOL Maybe they're all packing>> they're bags or >> maybe 
already be in the field out there searching... ;)>> >> Regards,>> 
Eric>> >> On 9/24/2010 12:59 AM, Marc Fries wrote:>>> Howdy all,>>> >>> 
I'm quite pleased with this>> one.  Looks like a very nice 
meteorite fall from recent>> radar data archives:>>> >>> 
http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/jacksonville-il-05-feb-07-0144-utc/>>> 
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[meteorite-list] Brix's meteorite hunting training video

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Hi All,

Here is a short video clip of Brix's meteorite hunting training. This 
is just a small part of his training, but you can see how he is 
progressing. I also set up a small training area in which he has to use 
only scent to locate the meteorite as the meteorites are hidden from 
view. The training is really starting to come together. Brix had the 
basic training down on the Mifflin, Wisconsin hunt but now he is 
becoming more proficient when he finds the meteorites.  I have been 
adding more challenges to the training.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFop8kdu-k


Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] New USA Chondrite find

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Hi Bernd,

Thanks, yes it is the 12.2 gram chondrite. Even though it's small, I 
can't explain the feeling of a new find.


Sonny


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Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2010 2:07 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] New USA Chondrite find


Sonny wrote:"Here is a new chondrite that I found last week while 
exploring aremote area. The fusion crust is still visible after all of 
these 
years."http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRIT
ES.htmlHi Sonny and List,Sincere congratulations on your latest US 
chondrite find! I assume you're talkingabout this 12.2-gram chondrite. 
Exceptionally interesting is that even though thismeteorite looks quite 
weathered, the remnant fusion crust looks quite fresh as ifthe fusion 
crust had "weathered" the weathering influences!Best wishes fromrainy 
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[meteorite-list] Looking for Carancas Crater Rim material

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Hi List,
Does anyone have soil samples from the Carancas crater? Please email 
off list.


Thanks,
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[meteorite-list] New USA Chondrite find

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Hi List,

Here is a new chondrite that I found last week while exploring a remote 
area.  The fusion crust is still visible after all of these years. Be 
sure to play the slide show.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html

Sonny
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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad, Mifflin Wisconsin end piece

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Hi All,

I have a 64.1 gram Mifflin Wisconsin meteorite end cut for sale. You 
will not find a larger end piece available.


Thanks,
Sonny

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on OC Choppers

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Hi List,

I just had a chance to see the new episode of OC Choppers showing Geoff 
and Steve and their new ride. I can't wait to see the new bike in 
person. Way to go Geoff and Steve.


Sonny

P.S. I hope I get to take it for a spin : ).
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Magazine

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Hi List and Eric,

We just got our issue  of Eric's new magazine in the mail. The magazine 
looks great. I bet it was a monumental task to get this magazine 
launched. Keep up the good work Eric!


Sonny and Georgia


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Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Magazine July's Premiere Back Issues 
Available



Hi List, 
 
25 July Premiere Back Issues Available For Sale: $20 Each (First come 
first served.) 

Meteorite Hunting & Collecting Magazine 
http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/archives/ 
 
All back issues are polybagged for protection and preservation. Buy 
multiple copies, read one, collect the rest. 

 
If you've NOT subscribed yet please go here: $35 per year (6 Full Color 
Issues) 

http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ 
 
Dealers contact me for a SPECIAL OFFER off-list. 
 
Enjoy... 
 
Regards, 
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Re: [meteorite-list] The storm and Lucerne Dry Lake

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Hi Ron,

I should have know better since I live in Nevada. I have seen many 
flash floods before. But as you know the allure of a new lake bed 
seemed to have blinded me temporarily. A good lesson learned. My wife 
and have seen those little crablike creatures before in sandstone water 
basins in Red Rock Canyon. It is amazing how these little tanks can be 
bone dry for years and then come to life with a little water.


Warning: Small children should stay away from the large cracks in the 
dl.  This is the time that there is a lot of underground water draining 
away and the dry lake surface can cave in quite readily. 


Two lakes in particular one in California and one in Nevada have 
sinkholes that are only visible when you come right up on top of them 
or can be seen from the air. The only indication in the one in 
California was a tiny raised edge and a crack or crevice on the far 
side. The sink hole was large enough to swallow an ATV. I never got 
close enough to determine the depth. I told my hunting partner we could 
figure  out  the depth and check out the sink hole if I lowered him 
down with a winch but he chickened out! : )


This is a good lesson for anyone who hunts on dry lake beds. Watch the 
clouds, watch for sinkholes, cracks and the occasional artillery shell.


Sonny

-Original Message-
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Sent: Fri, Aug 27, 2010 2:40 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] The storm and Lucerne Dry Lake


Sonny:  You may not realize how very lucky you probably were.  Most of 
the tme these are "dry" lakes, but they become real lakes very quickly. 
 They are there because they are the low points of a basin, and very 
quickly collect all the runoff water from the surrounding areas. 

 
The Old Barstow Road (through the center of Lucerne Dry Lake) and the 
Old Woman Springs Road from the town of Lucerne Valley (hwy 247) (which 
it intersects with South of the lake, and which then continues to the 
East and up to Big Bear, was under 7 feet of water today as the storm 
came through, but apparently both are open again.  I have seen that 
only once, in August, 1963 we went out to LDL right after a storm.  The 
Barstow road dips to a low point midway across LDL and there is no 
drainage.   It was impassable.  It was interesting that as the water 
dissipated on the dl that it left washtub size pools a foot or so 
deep.Little crab-like creatures were swimming around (about an inch 
long).  I understand these may become dormant when things dry out and 
then come to life when puddles reform.  This must not be very often. 
Wonder what one might find now.  Warning: Small children should stay 
away from the large cracks in the dl.  This is the time that there is a 
lot of underground water draining away and the dry lake surface can 
cave in quite readily. 

 
This is also the time that buried meteorites wash out onto the surface, 
(Look a bit higher than the very low points on the dl.) 

 
Ron Hartman 
 
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Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:04 PM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] SouthWest Dry Lake Bed Thunderstorm pictures 
 

Hi All, 
 
I added a few pictures from one of my recent hunting trips on my web 

page. 

 
Thanks, 
Sonny 
 
P.S. I am still looking for that first USA lunar in Nevada! ; ) 
 


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Thunderstorm_over_a_Southwest_Dry_lakebed.html 

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[meteorite-list] SouthWest Dry Lake Bed Thunderstorm pictures

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Hi All,

I added a few pictures from one of my recent hunting trips on my web 
page.


Thanks,
Sonny

P.S. I am still looking for that first USA lunar in Nevada! ; )

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting and Collecting magazine

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I want to congratulate Eric on doing an outstanding job on the first 
issue of his new magazine. The digital edition is excellent and I am 
waiting to receive my magazine in the mail in a couple of weeks. Now I 
can look forward to receiving 2 great meteorite magazines in the mail. 
I always enjoy getting my copy of Meteorite magazine and this new 
magazine will be a great addition.


Sonny
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[meteorite-list] Moapa Valley CM1 cosmic ray exposure age

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Hi List,

I recently received information on the CRE age of my Moapa Valley find. 
The age is .18 +/- .03 million years. I hope to receive news on the 
terrestrial age soon.


Thanks,

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Re: [meteorite-list] more than $50, 000 worth of great meteorite listed on Ebay/ad

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Hi Mike,

WOW, what a nice collection of meteorites for sale.

Sonny


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Subject: [meteorite-list] more than $50, 000 worth of great meteorite 
listed on Ebay/ad



Hello all, I have listed more than $50k in killer meteorites in ournew 
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[meteorite-list] Nevada meteorite finds / Video

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Hi All,

I was contacted by John Harrison that found the Lake Bed in Nevada from 
the TV show. John and his friend have found over 4 pounds of meteorite 
fragments from this Lake Bed.  This puts the TKW well over 170 pounds 
making this largest chondrite find in Nevada. I will have his story and 
pictures up later on my web page. Here is a link to his videos on 
YouTube.   Hey Ruben it looks like we have some new competition now : )


Sonny

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UtgslYw_rI

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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad: Beautiful Wisconsin meteorite slices for sale

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Hi List,

I have 3 slices of the Wisconsin Meteorite for sale. These are gorgeous 
full slices with beautiful fusion crust and will come in a membrane 
suspension box. These slices came from a 144 gram meteorite that I 
found while I was hunting in Wisconsin. These are the only ones I will 
be offering for sale. Please click on the link to see pictures. The 
pictures do not do them justice. They are so much more beautiful in 
person. Contact off List for pricing.


Thanks,
Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] WisconsinSchool project - Suggestion

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Hi Rob and Ann,

I agree, more stones will turn up from the Wisconsin fall. It would be 
nice to see a couple large display pieces donated or purchased for the 
school collection.



Sonny





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Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 3:29 pm
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Hi Anne,I completely agree. It is actually foolish to use donated funds 
-- atthis time -- to purchase stones from the latest Wisconsin fall. 
Verylittle bang for the buck. For the same money, you could buy an 
NWAchondrite over 100 times larger that is nearly as fresh-looking.I 
think a far better use for the limited funds would be a modestvariety 
of medium-sized, relatively inexpensive meteorites.  Forthe cost of one 
tiny, unimpressive specimen from the lastestWisconsin fall, you could 
instead purchase and donate a large iron,a pallasite or mesosiderite, 
an ordinary chondrite *AND* anachondrite.  --Rob-Original 
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WisconsinSchool project - SuggestionMichael, If I may make a 
suggestion... Lets think about Meteorites in general, rather 
than just one Wisconsinmeteorite.Since you now have about $750.00, buy 
an assortment of reasonablypriced, classified, known meteorites. Maybe 
a Canyon Diablo, a smallBrenham, a couple stonies with different 
classification. No crumbs,large enough pieces so they can see what a 
metorite looks like, and howmany different types there are. That would 
lead to a much betterunderstanding of meteorites, than just one small 
stone. If you decided to do that, I am quite sure you would find more 
offersand more help. In fact, I would be willing to help you with 
donations. And if you really insist on getting them a piece of the 
Wisconsin stone,then I suggest you wait 6 months to a year, when more 
stones have beenfound, and the price has gone down. As it always does 
with new falls,particularly when it is an ordinary chondrite; look at 
Buzzard Coulee:$40/g during the Tucson Show, $10/g now.  What do you 
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[meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorite trip report

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Hi all,

I just returned home from my 3rd trip to the WI  strewnfield.  The 
remaining fields have been planted and the corn is starting to grow. 
The no- till fields you can still walk but will soon have vegetation 
covering the ground. Many of the hay fields have been cut. The beef 
cattle are calving, making access tough . We were able to locate 
numerous witnesses to the fireball East of Highway 23. The eye 
witnesses were at different sides of the fireball and two directly 
underneath  the explosions. Two miles West of this location I also 
talked with a land owner that saw the fireball explode overhead. The 
information placed the fireball on one of our direct lines and under 
the doppler returns. The farmers reported hearing "the sound of a jet 
overhead " followed by a suction sound as the meteorite passed overhead 
as the ground rumbled.


The land owners granted us unlimited access to this 2 square mile area. 
Part of the field was freshly cut hay followed by a large no till field 
.  We spent many hours walking this area with no luck. As with the West 
Texas Fall many of the meteorites that landed on the worked fields 
buried themselves into the soil. Many of the meteorite hunters were 
able to recover meteorites by  placing a magnet cane into the holes in 
the soil.  The Wisconsin strewfield has received 1-2 " of rain after 
the fireball and possible erased any hole that a meteorite may have 
made. The hay fields could still have meteorites on the surface but 
would be pushed into the soil from the hay cutter and then from the 
tractor that bails the hay. While walking the cut hay fields the larger 
rocks were still easy to see.


I would have to say along with many of the meteorite hunters still in 
the field, a large portion of  this fall will be lost due to 
cultivation and the location of  fall. My 3 meteorite hunting trips to 
Wisconsin were still a lot of fun and many new friends were made . I 
should have pictures and  a story up soon. On one of the days hunting I 
found a replacement for Brix , a calf that was born hours before. The 
calf followed me throughout the field staggering side to side as it 
gained strength. It was a great opportunity to take some photos of the 
young calf.



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Re: [meteorite-list] MY REGRETS AND APOLOGY

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I will try to make this short and sweet. 


In Wisconsin  we all know the true story. Myself and Marc Fries both 
responded to the list about what happened. Bill Kies has since sent me 
an apology off list. West Texas, who knows what he is talking about. 
Georgia -get over it.



I was contacted by an older gentleman regarding meteorite hunting. It 
took  awhile for me to gain trust in him and then I took him under my 
wing and began to teach him about meteorite hunting. I gave this 
individual numerous meteorites including some sentimental ones that 
were found by Jim Kriegh and myself. I gave him these to start his 
collection. I invited this gentleman into my home and trusted him like 
a father. I decided to show him the ropes and how to hunt. I took him 
out for a few hours one day and we did not find anything. On another 
occasion I decided to take him to an area that I had been working for 
the past 8 years. This was a cold find area and I am working closely 
with a University in classifying and mapping out this unique fall area. 
On this particular day this man found a nice meteorite. This meteorite 
was found less than 50 feet from where I left this individual in the 
strewnfield. Granted, I had told him to go out to this valley before 
but not to this exact location that I was working on. If you read the 
story in Meteorite Times and the posts to the List from the finder you 
will get an idea of how it went that day with the exception of an 
exaggerated distance that he walked. It was a cool find and I was happy 
for him. As far as cutting the meteorite, please read the Meteorite 
Times story again and you will understand what happened. I reminded 
this individual on several occasions that this area needed to be kept 
confidential to preserve the work that I have completed and am 
submitting to the University. I reminded him that I had been spent 8 
years working the area to get it to this point and the finds have 
become few and far between. I asked him to keep this area confidential 
and he assured me he would. A short time later I received a phone call 
from a friend saying this individual had invited them to hunt  "his new 
strewnfield". They declined the offer knowing the true story behind the 
find.



When I returned from my first Wisconsin hunt I decided to call this 
individual. I was excited to share the hunting story and tell him about 
the trip and Brix's find. He had just sent a couple of nice posts to 
the List congratulating Brix and myself about the find. You would think 
that if he was angry with me about the meteorite he would have NOT sent 
these posts as recently as APRIL. During our conversation he informed 
me that he had taken 6 to 8 people out to my strewnfield meteorite 
hunting while I was away. I was extremely upset about his decision to 
expose my area. You have to understand I spent 8 years in this area 
5-10 days a month working in secrecy, quietly documenting things and 
staying out of sight. Now it was exposed, he had spent 2 hours in the 
area I had spent 8 years. His only explanation was to ask me why I 
wanted to keep it quiet and what I was trying to accomplish. He wanted 
to share the area with everyone. Any hunter who had diligently spent 
time in the field will understand my frustration.If he would have found 
the area or meteorite on his own it would have been different. I still 
will not publish this data for years. After becoming angry I told this 
individual that I will never take him hunting again. I asked him to not 
contact me. A few days later he decided that I tricked him into giving 
me half of the meteorite, threatened to sue me by email, threatened to 
post stories about the Georgia incident if I did not give the meteorite 
back to him. He also tried to extort me by email and left messages on 
my cell phone. I have kept all of these records. I have forwarded all 
of his threats to the IMCA and notified Art at the Meteorite List. This 
is why Robert Ward had to post this story for this man. 



If this gentleman had expressed an interest in having the other half of 
the meteorite I would have GLADLY given it to him before this incident. 
He even came over and took photographs of the 2 halves together. We 
hung out and discussed different polishing methods and whose half would 
look better. He never asked for the other half back. If it was truly an 
issue for him he would have asked for it while he was in my home with 
the 2 halves together.  You can now understand my frustration from the 
betrayal, threats, and trying to ruin my hard work in this strewnfield. 
Remember 2 hours versus 8 years is a huge difference.



As far as splitting finds goes, Rob, we know what your agreements are 
but why don't you state them publicly? What is your policy with your 
hunting partners on your rare finds in Oman and other countries? What 
about all of the Glorieta hunters who split their finds? Also what 
about the hunters who go to the Sahara? As for 

Re: [meteorite-list] Wire saw / Marlin cilz Thanks for contact info

[wahlperry]

Hi Jason

Thanks,

Sonny


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire saw / Marlin cilz


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[meteorite-list] Wire saw / Marlin cilz

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Hi All,


Would anyone have Marlin's contact info.

Thanks,

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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Coordinate-sharing

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Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 5:16 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Coordinate-sharing


Hi All, 
 
I just wanted to say that I had misunderstood Atul's comments on having 
information from Rob Matson. I apologize for any confusion this may 
have caused. 

 
Sonny 
 
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Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 4:51 pm 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Coordinate-sharing 
 
Hi All, 
 
Just for clarification to the List, I have not (yet) shared any 
meteorite find coordinates with Atul for the simple reason that 
*I* didn't find those meteorites, and therefore I have no right 
to share their coordinates with anyone else. This is common 
courtesy. --Rob 
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt.

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From: wahlpe...@aol.com
To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt.


Hi Bill, 
 
Since you have decided to call me names on a public forum I feel that I 
need to speak up. But in the future I prefer to keep this off list. 
 
I Never told anyone to beat it, I am not sure where that is coming from 
.It is not up to the other hunters who is allowed to hunt the land. It 
is strictly up to the landowners. 

 
The reasons why I did not have an in depth conversation with you in 
Wisconsin. 
 
#1 We were in a rush. 
 
#2 I had already formed a poor opinion of you by the many negative 
posts you have made to the List . I felt it was best to keep a distance 
from you. Maybe you have given me the wrong impression, I am strictly 
basing it on several of your posts. Atlhough some of your posts are 
nice... many are not. Perhaps I can refresh your memory. 
 
Aug 18, 2009 the X - rated " SHAFT" post which is pretty 
creative 
yet so outrageous that I am surprised it made it to the List. 
Or how about the July 20, 2009 "rats ass" post 
or the July 11, 2009 "egomaniac dealers" post. 
 
Perhaps it would serve you well to read your own advice on the post 
dated May 2, 2009 regarding reading your old posts and realizing how " 
damn stupid" they are. I will provide a link for you 
in case you decide to check them out. 
 
http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html 
 
Sonny 
 
 
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From: bill kies  
To: wahlpe...@aol.com 
Cc: meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 3:48 pm 
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt. 
 
Sonny, 
 
You can spin it any way you like. Your lengthy chain of events should 
include, 
"We spent a minute talking to the guys that were there first and they 
agreed 
that it would be a pleasure for all of us to search together". One 
minute of 

courtesy goes a long way. There were at least 3 hours of daylight left. 
 
I met several well known hunters on land that they claimed to have 
secured and 
was told in no uncertain terms to beat it. I did. Next time I'll 
remember your 

code of conduct. 
 
Bill 
 
 
 

To: parkforest...@hotmail.com; meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt. 
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:26:20 -0400 
From: wahlpe...@aol.com 
 
Wow Bill, you really seem to remember the chain of events much 
differently than I do. As I remember it was late in the day with 

little 

time left to hunt. As we pulled up there was a gentleman on an ATV, 2 
guys standing at the back of a truck talking, and one guy leaning 

over 
a car talking thru the passenger window to the driver. As I 

approached 

the guy on the ATV I asked whose land it was, the man I spoke to WAS 
the PATRIARCH of the land. We joked about me riding on the back of 

his 

ATV and how much he would charge me per hour to drive around in his 
son's cornfield. He then suggested that I go talk to his son at the 
house at the bottom of the hill and ask for permission for my friends 
and I to hunt the land. As I was walking away you approached us and 
said Hi. We introduced ourselves ,I shook your hand. We then drove 

down 

to the bottom of the hill to talk to the landowner. The landowner 
greeted us and said "You can hunt this land all you want". We 
discussed a 50/50 split of the finds and a dollar amount per gram for 
his half if we were lucky enough to find any. He then explained the 
property boundaries and wished us luck. Bill you have to remember 
this was late in the day and we only had an hour and a half left of 
sunlight. We only wanted to hunt the small corner of the property to 
plan the next days hunt. You have to understand we spent thousands of 
dollars to come and do this hunt between airfare, rent a car and 

hotel. 

We were on a mission to get as much done as possible in a few short 
days. We are also working on mapping the finds and at the end will 
present the map to the University. Time was of the essence that 
evening. 
 
Bill , you would also think that when we returned the following 

morning 
we were greeted by BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON and spent a few 

minutes 

joking around. At this point I am sure they would have said something 
if it was such a big deal. 
It is up to the landowners who they allow to hunt their property, not 
you. 
 
Bill as with this post and with the history of some of your other 

posts 

to the list you can understand why we did not spend a lot of time 
talking with you. Your bad reputation precedes you. Also for all of 
the meteorites that you are saying are being recovered please 

enlighten 
me. So for the 12 days you and your team spent out there please let 

us 
know how many kilos you recovered. There is no doubt that there may 

be 

a lot of material in the field but it is yet be found. With the 
planting going on ther

Re: [meteorite-list] WI strewn field map(preliminary) is Ready- and data request.

[wahlperry]

Hi Atul,

I read that Rob Matson has given you most of the information already. 
This is
the EXACT same information that I would have given you. Rob has almost 
all

of my current information. So it seems you already have what you
need.

As with all data I wanted to get the ok from the guys still hunting
in the area. The data that we recovered was from many hours in
the field and from other meteorite hunters working the area.
As a courtesy to them, I could not release their
information without an ok from these guys. Atul, I also want to make
it clear that I never requested any find locations from you
(nor DO I need any)
at any point in the conversation. During your phone
call this morning, I told you that I would be tied up most of the day
and would call you later. You seemed awfully persistent in getting
this information. A couple of friends of mine still have plans on
hunting a few more weeks. The reason I was reluctant with the
information, is from what happened at the Candle Factory where you told
the land owner that you could get 50- 60 dollars per gram on any 
meteorite

found on her land. After you said this, Joe was kicked off the land.
With these tactics no meteorites would be recovered and possibly lost. 
It took
9 guys a day and a half of walking in the fields to locate the pieces 
in this

area and from your actions no one else will be hunting this land.
We walked many miles in the field to locate these finds and I wanted to
make sure I looked out for the best interest of my fellow hunters. Maybe
next time instead of driving your car around and talking to the land
owners you can join us for the hunt for 8 to 10 hours a day. This may
help you gain some perspective on where I am coming from.

Sonny







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Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI strewn field map(preliminary) is
Ready- and data request.


Hi allJust returned from WI- 3 more days of data.I had honored sonny
clarys request to me to not release data or the prelim strewn field
map last week monday with the understanding that his group would
provide me with data of all their finds.As of this morning sonny has
advised me that he or his group will not be providing any data to me
for a few weeks. I have decided to make my compliation of data for
approx 75 finds public.If you are in the area and need an area to
search I pls email me off list with (WI strewn field map) and I will
provide you with data- or call me- if you need an area now. Please do
provide reasons you would need the data- search, research or dealer. If
you have a confirmed find- with pics and weight- pls email it to off
list- with WI data in the subject line.I am especially curious about
the 2+ kg piece that has now disappeared. Did some dealer buy it and
doesn't want anyone to know lest the price fall.I have a pic of the 2
kg if anyone wishes to see it.I also have a bearing on the 6 larger
pieces that went thataway- in case anyone wishes to chase them down.I
believe the best way to recover stones in this and all falls is the
free unrestricted sharing of find and modelling data. I thank Rob
matson for his help and support,and all others who helped. Its been
fun.RegardsAtul kumarCell - 219- 308-8282Amateur astronomer-
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[meteorite-list] AD : 16.8 gram WI meteorite

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Hi All,

I have a 16.8 gram complete meteorite, with 99.9 percent fusion crust. 
Taking highest offer. please contact of list .


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Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt.

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Wow Bill, you really seem to remember the chain of events much 
differently than I do. As I remember it was late in the day with little 
time left to hunt. As we pulled up there was a gentleman on an ATV, 2 
guys standing at the back of a truck talking, and one guy leaning over 
a car talking thru the passenger window to the driver. As I approached 
the guy on the ATV I asked whose land it was, the man I spoke to WAS 
the PATRIARCH of the land. We joked about me riding on the back of his 
ATV and how much he would charge me per hour to drive around in his 
son's cornfield. He then suggested that I go talk to his son at the 
house at the bottom of the hill and ask for permission for my friends 
and I to hunt the land. As I was walking away you approached us and 
said Hi. We introduced ourselves ,I shook your hand. We then drove down 
to the bottom of the hill to talk to the landowner. The landowner 
greeted us and said "You can hunt this land all you want".  We 
discussed a 50/50 split of the finds and a dollar amount per gram for 
his half if we were lucky enough to find any. He then explained the 
property boundaries and wished us luck.   Bill you have to remember 
this was late in the day and we only had an hour and a half left of 
sunlight. We only wanted to hunt the small corner of the property to 
plan the next days hunt. You have to understand we spent thousands of 
dollars to come and do this hunt between airfare, rent a car and hotel. 
 We were on a mission to get as  much done as possible in a few short 
days. We are also working on mapping the finds and at the end will 
present the map  to the University. Time was of the essence that 
evening.


Bill , you would also think that when we returned the following morning 
we were greeted by BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON and spent a few minutes 
joking around. At this point I am sure they would have said something 
if it was such a big deal.
It is up to the landowners who they allow to hunt their property, not 
you.


Bill as with this post and with the history of some of your other posts 
to the list you can understand why we did not spend a lot of time 
talking with you. Your bad reputation precedes you.  Also for all of 
the meteorites that you are saying are being recovered please enlighten 
me. So for the 12 days you and your team spent out there please let us 
know how many kilos you recovered. There is no doubt that there may be 
a lot of material in the field but it is yet be found. With the 
planting going on there is a good chance the material may be lost 
forever.


And as for Georgia, you're right my heart belongs to Georgia.

Sonny








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From: bill kies 
To: wahlpe...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 10:33 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt.


Well, I just returned from my third trip with 12 days walking on cobbs 
and I have to say that the most pathetic display of rude bs was that of 
Sonny what's his name. The man pulled up his truck, looked through us 
like we were non-exixtant ignoring the fact, as we protested, that we 
had previous permission to search the property in question. Sonny was 
so aggressive that he didn't even notice that one of our team members 
was a 77 year old man that was the Patriarch of the family that owned 
the land. He ignored us and hauled ass straight up to the front door 
trying to conive his way in. Nice work Sonny. You deserve a big  pat on 
the back. You belong in Georgia. You're a real inspiration to us all 
you greedy S*B. Bill PS: Keep pumping the lack of material. Time will 
tell.> To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 00:37:00 
-0400> From: wahlpe...@aol.com> Subject: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin 
Meteorite Hunt.>> Hi All,>> I just returned from my second hunt in 
Wisconsin. I hunted a total of 9> days in the field. I really enjoyed 
spending time with the other> hunters and got to know some of the 
locals too.> Without a doubt, Wisconsin is the friendliest state I have 
ever> visited. Everyone would invite you into their homes, also allow 
you to> hunt for meteorites on their property. I even had> a chance to 
milk a cow. I want to say thanks to Rob Matson and Mark> Fries for the 
great work with the Doppler Radar. Terry Boudreaux and> Karl Aston 
played a major role in gaining> access to hunt many of the properties. 
These 2 guys are awesome. What> really made this trip enjoyable was 
spending time with everyone> hunting. After 9 days of hunting I was 
able> to find 3 meteorites, one with the assistance of Brix (my dog) 
and the> other 2 on my second trip out. The total of my finds is 366.4 
grams. I> hope to post pictures from the hunt on my> website within the 
next week. The rumors of many stones being recovered> is simply not 
true. Out of 6 guys hunting for 4 days( covering a lot of> ground ) 
only 2 stones were recovered.> On the previous h

[meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite Hunt.

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I just returned from my second hunt in Wisconsin. I hunted a total of 9 
days in the field. I really enjoyed spending time with the other 
hunters and got to know some of the locals too.
Without a doubt, Wisconsin is the friendliest state I have ever 
visited. Everyone would invite you into their homes, also allow you to 
hunt for meteorites on their property. I even had
a chance to milk a cow. I want to say thanks to Rob Matson and Mark 
Fries for the great work with the Doppler Radar. Terry Boudreaux and 
Karl Aston played a major role in gaining
access to hunt many of the properties. These 2 guys are awesome. What 
really made this trip enjoyable was spending time with everyone 
hunting. After 9 days of hunting I was able
to find 3 meteorites, one with the assistance of Brix (my dog) and the 
other 2 on my second trip out. The total of my finds is 366.4 grams. I 
hope to post pictures from the hunt on my
website within the next week. The rumors of many stones being recovered 
is simply not true. Out of 6 guys hunting for 4 days( covering a lot of 
ground ) only 2 stones were recovered.
On the previous hunt with 10 guys hunting only 4 stones were recovered. 
By far, the best complete stone I have seen is Rob Wesel's. Another 
kudo's goes out to Joe Kerchner for his

magnificent find. Eric Wichman also made some outstanding finds.

Many of the fields are now being plowed and planted. Further recovery 
of meteorites is becoming more difficult. It would be nice to compile a 
list of everyone's finds to determine the TKW

so far.


Good luck to all of the guys that are still out in the field.

Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] 332gr WI find!!

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Hi Joe ,

I don't know if the first post went through. Way to go, it was a lot of 
fun hunting with you. I just wish I could have seen your face when you 
found the monster meteorite.


Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Joe Kerchner 
To: meteorite list 
Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 6:08 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] 332gr WI find!!


Listees,   I found a 332 gram piece from the WI fall. Finally after 9 
days in the field persistence paid off. I will post some pics on the 
skyrock cafe soon.  Best Wishes,Joe 
Kerchnerhttp://illinoismeteorites.comhttp://skyrockcafe.com  
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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE DOG FINDS FIRST METEORITE FROM THE APRIL 14, 2010 WISCONSIN FIREBALL! THANKS !

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Hi All,

Thanks for the congratulation emails regarding Brix and his new find. 
Sorry it took so long to respond, it has ben a busy 5 days trying to 
locate and determine the extent of the Wisconsin fireball. Without a 
doubt, Wisconsin must be the friendliest State. Every landowner we 
talked with, allowed us to hunt their property and invited us back. I 
even had a chance to milk a cow!  I can't tell you how cool it was to 
see Brix alert over the meteorite. I hope to have a few pictures up 
over the next couple of days. Congratulations to all the hunters and 
their new finds. Rob Matson and Mark Fries  get a special thank you for 
providing the great radar data. The actual weight of Brix's meteorite 
is 205.6 grams, .2 grams must be the grass stuck on the meteorite!



Sonny



 
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[meteorite-list] Nevadameteorites webpage update/Gold Butte hike

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Hi List,

I just added some great photographs and story from a recent trip to 
Gold Butte, Nevada.


Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

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Hi Jeff and list,

I just threw the number 50% out there because it seemed like a fair 

compromise.

I like 20% better.   :)

Sonny


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wed, Mar 10, 2010 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question


I just threw the number 50% out there because it seemed like a fair 
compromise.  Trust me, collectors won't get such a deal from the 
federal government on vertebrate fossils or cultural artifacts!  But in 
this case, everybody wins if the owner (the federal govt, representing 
the people) splits the specimens with individual finders.  Unlike the 
fossils and artifacts, meteorites can be divided without losing their 
major scientific value. Without a solution like this, everybody loses: 
the owners get nothing and anybody who collects meteorites could be a 
criminal. 

 
Jeff 
 
On 2010-03-10 3:19 PM, Greg Stanley wrote: 

Now you're just being silly. 
 
I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: 
 
How many of you were FORCED... FORCED to give your meteorite(s) to 

the Smithsonian? 

 
 
Greg S. 
 
 
   >> From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net 

To: almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de 
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:13:38 -0600 
CC: meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder 

day...whathappened toethics?? 

 
No, 
 
But you will have to send half of the fish, 
if you catch any, to the Smithsonian... 
 
 
Sterling Webb 
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- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "Martin Altmann" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder 

day...whathappened 

toethics?? 
 
 
Hi Martin and all, 
 
Next thing you know they will be putting a stop to fishing in this 
country. 
 
--AL Mitterling 
 
Quoting Martin Altmann : 
 
 >>> No, where did I? 

 
Jason. 
 
I like history. I like the Bulletins, I like modern natural 

science. I 

love 
meteorites. 
And, yes, I like my profession too, 
a profession, nobody has to be ashamed of. 
 
These are the four reasons, 
why I can't keep mum these years. 
 
Because I simply can't understand: Aren't they seeing, what they 

are 

doing? 
 
If only a single one could explain me, 
which the positive effects of the restrictive laws are or were 
in Australia, in Canada, in China, in Oman, in Algeria, in 

Argentina, 

in the 
Philippines, in Denmark, in Sudan, in Libya, in Namibia, in South 
Africa 
(?), now in USA, in Poland, in Russia (?), in Switzerland.. 
 
then I promise to be much quieter. 
 
Perhaps you can help me with that? 
So far I see only, that they risk all. 
 
Thank you 
Martin 
 
 
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- 
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. März 2010 01:05 
An: Martin Altmann; Meteorite-list 
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] It's now an even sadder day...what 
happened 
toethics?? 
 
So, what you're saying, Martin, is that you advocate hunters lying 
about where they find meteorites so that they can keep them. 
Because that was his question. 
...Interesting. 
Jason 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day?

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Hi Ruben,

I had a friend contact the BLM in Las Vegas regarding meteorite hunting 
in Nevada. He was given a paper about rock hounding and told that 
meteorites fall under rock hounding. You would think that laws on BLM 
land would be the same throughout the USA.


Sonny


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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It is a sad day?


Hi Sonny,That is how it wasThey assured John Blennart that ALL 
websites will soon be changed to read as the Oregon/Washington 
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[meteorite-list] It is a sad day?

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

Check this out.

Sonny


http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/infof.htm


METEORITE COLLECTION AND IDENTIFICATION
COLLECTION
Only four authenticated meteorites have been found in Nevada to date, 
and all four are on display there. It is likely many more have either 
been overlooked or collected and not reported. A good book on 
meteorites, written by a former Director of the Fleischmann 
Planetarium, O. Richard Norton, is Rocks From Space, and it can be 
purchased at the Planetarium. The book contains much information on 
types of meteorites and potential areas to look. For more information 
concerning meteorites, one should contact the Fleischmann Planetarium.
When collecting meteorites, it is necessary to notify the land owner of 
any private property you may wish to go on. The State of Nevada has no 
laws per se governing the collection of meteorites. However, meteorites 
on public land fall under the same rules governing fossil and rock and 
mineral collecting; they may be collected for personal use in 
reasonable quantities, but may not be bartered or sold. Also all 
meteorites have some scientific value, and some rare types may come 
under laws dealing with specimens with a very high scientific value. 
For further information, please contact the appropriate Federal agency 
for their rules when collecting on public land such as the U.S. Bureau 
of Land Management or the U.S. Forest Service. The courts have 
determined that meteorites are not locatable under the 1872 Mining Law. 
Collecting meteorites is generally prohibited in National Parks, and 
trespassing and collecting is illegal on Indian Reservations without 
permission from the tribal authorities. Trespassing and collecting is 
both illegal and dangerous on lands controlled by the Military.

IDENTIFICATION
People commonly bring in rocks for identification as possible 
meteorites. This is highly encouraged, though of course, the vast 
majority of such rocks are not meteorites. The most common meteorites 
found are the iron-nickel metallic type, because they just look 
different than the surrounding rocks. The most common type of meteorite 
to fall is the stony type. However, stony meteorites generally look 
similar to the surrounding rocks and are generally overlooked. 
Iron-nickel meteorites generally contain between 7 and 14% nickel, and 
the NBMG Analytical Lab can do these analyses. A nickel analysis 
requires a 100-500 mg (less than 0.02 oz or about the size of a pencil 
eraser) sample. If the rock truly appears to be a meteorite, then the 
Director of the Fleischmann Planetarium) on the University of Nevada, 
Reno campus would be interested in seeing it, and with the collector's 
permission, the meteorite would be sent to an appropriate lab for 
further study and authentication. The collector, of course, would get 
the meteorite back minus a small sample for archiving.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Way To Go Count!!!!!!!!!!

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Hi Rob,

They don't make high speed film fast enough to catch how fast he dug it 
out of the ground (with his bare hands).


Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Rob Wesel 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlpe...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 6:45 pm
Subject: Way To Go Count!!


Holy cow! 
 
Nice one guys and to The CountIs it in the city limits? 
 
Really nice find, congratu-frickin-lations. Must have been something to 
find that peak and have to keep digging and digging and digging 

 
Rob Wesel 
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com 
www.facebook.com/nakhladog 
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams. 
Willy Wonka, 1971 
 
- Original Message - From:  
To:  
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:30 PM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] I hate Count (Guido) Diero ! : ) 
 

Hi List, 
 
I bet you could call this beginners luck. I took Guido out meteorite 
> hunting. I turned left and he turned right.  To check out what he 
found > scroll to the bottom of the meteorite hunts page. More to come 
later. 

 
http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/METEORITE_HUNTS.html 
 
Sonny 
 
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[meteorite-list] I hate Count (Guido) Diero ! : )

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Hi List,

I bet you could call this beginners luck. I took Guido out meteorite 
hunting. I turned left and he turned right.  To check out what he found 
scroll to the bottom of the meteorite hunts page. More to come later.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/METEORITE_HUNTS.html

Sonny

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[meteorite-list] Science page update / desert varnish on meteorites

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Hi List,

I have added a thin section picture of desert varnish on my web page. 
This picture was taken at ASU of a meteorite displaying desert varnish 
estimated to be on earth for 100,000 years.


Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] PV and Iron stability

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Hi Rob and list,

The Portales Valley meteorite that we recovered was in remarkable 
condition. The meteorite only had a small portion buried in the dirt, 
the remainder exposed to the elements. There was very little surface 
rust. The PV meteorite was cut with well water and allowed to dry. The 
cut surface appeared to have rust stains along the interior in numerous 
locations. Upon closer inspection they were actually crystal structures 
/ apatite. The cut surface has been left untouched since cutting and 
still shows no signs of significant  weathering.



Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Robert Woolard 
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Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 10:52 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] PV and Iron stability


Hello,  Thanks to everyone who responded to my question concerning the 
state of their PV specimens. Stability was unanimous, with no one 
experiencing any problems with rusting.  :-)  And that brings up a 
related question concerning stability that I might should already know 
the answer to, but do not:   Is PV's apparent rust-resistance for at 
least the last 10+ years (and hopefully many more) due SIMPLY to the 
fact that the specimens were recovered so quickly, and were spared 
exposure to, and penetration of, water for hundreds to thousands of 
years? And if so, are ALL freshly recovered irons (or "metal veined" as 
in the case of PV) just inherently stable?  Or does inherent resistance 
to rusting vary from one meteorite to the next based more on the exact, 
specific chemical makeup of the iron and any particular find may or may 
not be prone to rusting regardless of how quickly it was recovered? 
Thanks in advance for any help with this,  Robert Woolard    
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[meteorite-list] Nevada Meteorites Hunt page update " Driving Across Texas with nowhere to go."

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Hi List,

I've added a new story on my web site under the Meteorite Hunts page. 
"Driving across Texas with nowhere to go"  It is one of my hunting 
trips with Rob Reisener and Skip Wilson. As I get time, I will adding a 
few more meteorite hunting stories.


Thanks,

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/METEORITE_HUNTS.html



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[meteorite-list] CM1 Moapa Valley fragments for sale

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Hi List,

I will be attending the Tucson show this weekend. I am bringing a few 
small pieces of my CM1 discovery (Moapa Valley) for sale. I have not 
officially offered any of this material for sale to the public as of 
yet. You can contact me by phone at 702-373-8958 or by email (off list).


Sonny
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 4, 2010

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Hi Michael,


What a great picture. Congratulations Shauna on your find. Michael, 
thanks for all your hard work to provide us with the Picture of the Day.



Sonny





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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men episode

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Hi List,

I wanted to congratulate Steve and Geoff on another great episode of 
Meteorite Men. Keep up the good work.


Sonny
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[meteorite-list] NevadaMeteorites.com my new web page is up and running

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Hi List,

I have been working on a new web page. The web page has photographs of 
many of my new finds including Moapa Valley, the first CM1 ever found 
in the United States and only the second found outside of Antarctica. I 
have included a few hunting stories and currently I am working on a few 
more to ad. Be sure to view the slideshow on many of the pages.



Sonny


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[meteorite-list] Happy Holidays!

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Hi List,

Happy Holidays to all of our friends around the world. May you all find 
meteorites in your stockings, even if you have been naughty! 2009 has 
been a wonderful year for new meteorite discoveries. I wonder what 2010 
will bring. I just hope I find it before Ruben does! ; )


Sonny Clary
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 9, 2009

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Hi Jason,

Awesome picture!

Sonny


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 1:40 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - 
December 9, 2009



Hello Richard, Gary, All,Thanks!  I had four short days at home for 
Thanksgiving break, so weplanned accordingly, leaving the family dinner 
at a reasonable hour sowe could spend the Friday out in the desert.  I 
didn't get a winksleep that night for some reason, but still wasn't too 
tired the nextday.  It was one of the finest hunting days I can recall, 
withtemperatures at about freezing in the morning, but by noon, upwards 
of70F.  Peter and I each walked easily twenty miles as we didn't 
oncetake a break - and drove very little throughout the course of the 
day.It should be noted - that's a photo of Peter.  The slightly odd 
thingabout our find photos is that I'm almost exclusively pictured in 
thereal-film photos and Peter's just about the only person in the 
digitalphotos, because his camera uses film and mine is digital.  My 
personalfavorite is this 
one:http://www.flickr.com/photos/cameteoritefinder/2573329463/- I 
snagged a photo of him taking a picture of me, but the focus...itturned 
out better than I could have hoped.At any rate, thank you for the kind 
feedback.  I've been trying to dowhat I can with the point and shoot 
cameras and typically fairly drabin-situ photos.Thanks Again,JasonOn 
Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Richard Kowalski  
wrote:> Very cool. Congrats on the find. Love the self portrait. THAT 
is a great meteorite image!>> Nicely done.>> --> Richard Kowalski> 
http://fullmoonphotography.net> IMCA #1081>>> --- On Tue, 12/8/09, 
Michael Johnson  wrote:>>> From: Michael 
Johnson >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks 
from Space Picture of the Day - December 9, 2009>> To: 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote crust-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?

[wahlperry]

Hi Jason and all,

Thanks for all the replies. From the sounds of things there is no way 
to tell what the rarest meteorite might be. This might not be the 
rarest meteorite, but my favorite is the Portales Valley that we found 
a couple years ago.


Thanks,
Sonny


-Original Message-
From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com
To: Meteorite-list ; Jason Utas 


Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2009 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote crust-chondrite / Could this be 
one of the rarest meteorites found?



Hi Jason, All,Not classed as a silicated iron but...I have a nice end 
cut of Portales valley with about a 2:1 silicate, iron mix that shows 
an intriguing mix of fusion crusts flowing one into the other.Graham, 
UK Jason Utas  wrote: > Carl, All,> Wow, 
thanks for that...hum.> Right - I think people are confusing rarity 
with desirability, market> value, and collector availability, when 
these are all really distinct> terms.> Right, it's all about O-isotopes 
now, but I'm not really sure why - it> seems to me that chemistry 
should be just as important...surely there> could have been parent 
bodies forming in the same general areas as> each other that were 
distinct bodies, but that, due to their relative> proximity, have 
similar or identical O-isotope values.  I don't know -> maybe that is 
how we group things...seems illogical to me, though.> > The trouble 
with "fusion crust..."> If I recall, a while back, Elton made some 
strange comments about a> fusion crust having to be composed of 
siliceous material and> impurities such as oxides etc.  He argued that, 
because the crust that> forms on irons lacks silicates, it is not a 
true fusion crust.> > The consensus of the list was that the crust that 
forms on irons may> be chemically distinct from the crust that forms on 
stones, but it is> for all intensive purposes analogous in pretty much 
every way to the> stony version, so we might as well call them the same 
thing.> > I think the reason we don't see much in the way of fusion 
crust on> silicated irons is because, well, there aren't many fresh 
silicated> irons around.  There are plenty of examples of crusted irons 
- and> with just over 50 iron falls, some of which are accessible to> 
collectors, well, they're there to be seen.  I don't know how many of> 
those ~50 iron falls are silicated, but I do know one thing - of all> 
of them, Udei Station's the only one that's available in any real> 
quantity, and I've never seen an example with good crust.  I don't> 
think that's because it didn't form a fusion crust - I just think that> 
such pieces aren't widely available, so they remain out of our field> 
of view, for the most part...> > Think of Estherville, things like 
that.  They're made of a pretty even> mix of iron and stone and they 
still form a fusion crust.> > I have a ~4.7g 1/2 end of Bencubbin that 
shows some pretty spectacular> warty fusion crust...I can get some 
pictures up if you'd like.  I> figure that's about 1/2 stone and metal 
as well, so...yeah.> > Regards,> Jason> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:26 
AM,   wrote:> > Jason, I would first like to say that 
if there were an award for most helpful and kind on this list you would 
be the winner.> > I truly believe you offer more good information than 
anyone else on this list. That says a lot because there are a ton of 
great people on this list. And I want to thank you for all you do. You 
are a tremendous person.> >> > I think you are 100% correct with this 
evaluation as you describe it. But, There is something to desirability 
/ Valuable in the formula of "rare".> > Just because something is rare 
does not mean it is desirable or valuable. To me rarely is irrelevant 
if not desirable. As you correctly point out. Who cares about your L6. 
So, to me the rarest meteorite that has those things has got to be the 
meteorite that every collector wants the most.> > That said it would be 
a subjective call but for me it would be ALH 84001.> > Lastly, Your 
reference to Jeff Grossman are correct but I notice that Oxygen 
isotopes rule in this biz. If the air matches , then that is where it 
is from and therefore that is what it is.> > A recent example of this 
is GRA 06128. They are calling it a brachinite based on Isotopes even 
though it is not related in  other ways to the brach clan. So, 
apparently the where it is from needs more specific categories like 
Mars now has four different categories.> > Anyway, I wanted to thank 
you for all your information. I know I had never seen actual fusion 
crust on any iron before yours. I have seen a lot of impostors but 
yours is truly the real deal.> > Has anyone ever studied that crust to 
determine what it is made up of? It seems from an earlier thread that 
the crust must be a mixture of the silicates within this meteorite. 
Because most other irons without silicates within them do not seem to 
leave a true fusion crust like your sikhote did? Thanks Carl> > --> > 
Carl or Debbie Esparza> > Meteoritema

Re: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite / Could this be one of the rarest meteorites found?

[wahlperry]

Hi Bernd and list,

 Would this be one of the rarest meteorites ever found? If not, what 
meteorite would be?


Thanks,
Sonny


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Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2009 1:12 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Photo of a K-chondrite







Hi Greg and List,

Hardly any photos of Kakangaris exist. You'll find one on David
Weir's excellent website: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/

Click on chondrites and then scroll down to Kakangari!

Thin section pics of Kakangari can be found here (on pages 202-205):

D.S. LAURETTA, M. KILLGORE (2005) A Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin 
Section

(Golden Retriever Publications and Southwest Meteorite Press, ISBN
0-9720472-1-2, 301 pp.).


Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] NEW - NWA 4932 Lunar - AD

[wahlperry]

Hi Greg,

Congratulations on your New Lunar!


Sonny


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From: Greg Hupe 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW - NWA 4932 Lunar - AD







Dear List Members, 
 

I would like to announce a NEW and unpaired Lunar meteorite that I have 
had
for two years. Since that time, no pairings have been found, this new 
Impact
Melt Breccia (IMB) stands by itself in the world's known lunar 
inventory!
"Thank You" Michael Johnson for dedicating November 9, 2009 as the 
'Picture

of the Day' for NWA 4932! 
 

NWA 4932 is an unusual new lunar meteorite found in the Sahara Desert 
in

October 2007. A single 93.3 gram stone was found, and after continuous
searching of the area since the find, no pairings have been recovered. 
Being
an Impact Melt Breccia (IMB), it takes a very high polish, which 
strongly
displays the minute details such as very fine-grained texture, many 
small
white clasts and occasional nickel-iron metal grains dispersed 
throughout
the stone. These metal grains have been analyzed by a prominent 
laboratory
and have the same composition as that of enstatite chondrite metal 
(from

previous impactors that struck the Moon). 
 

 

NWA 4932 is compositionally very similar to material brought back to 
Earth
by NASA's Apollo 16 mission in 1972. With such a low Total Known 
Weight,

there are only a small handful of slices available to collectors and
museums. Each slice has been expertly polished to a high luster on one 
side

to display the characteristics of this lunaite. 
 

Here is a list of the only available specimens of NWA 4932, four have
already sold!! 
 

24.5g Main Mass 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc1.jpg 

4.020g ps 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc4.jpg 

3.844g cs 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc5.jpg 

3.776g ps 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc6.jpg 

3.332g cs 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc7.jpg 

3.112g cs 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc8.jpg 

2.812g cs 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc9.jpg 

284mg ps 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc00012.jpg 

268mg ps 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc00013.jpg 

230mg ps 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc00014.jpg 

156mg ps 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc00015.jpg 

852mg fragment 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc00017.jpg 

3.548g cut fragment 

http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc00018.jpg 
 

cs = complete slice 

ps = part slice 
 

If you are interested in one of these fascinating stand-alone lunar
specimens, please email me Off-List for pricing. 
 

Thank you for your interest, and if you are just looking, please enjoy 
the

photos! 
 

I also have eBay auctions of other planetary and other rare meteorites
ending tomorrow (Wednesday, Nov. 11th). Of particular interest is a 
small
piece of Hoba Ataxite, sizable specimens of achondrites and other 
goodies.

Click here for my current eBay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault 
 

Best regards, 

Greg 
 

 

Greg Hupe 

The Hupe Collection 

NaturesVault (eBay) 

gmh...@htn.net 

www.LunarRock.com 

IMCA 3163 

 

Click here for my current eBay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault 
 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary chondrite?‏

[wahlperry]

Hi Greg and list,

I really think that the price is more about who gets there first and 

who is

"allowed" to hunt the field.
Meteorites are competitive and my eyes were opened to just how much so 

due to

recent falls.


Please don't take this wrong. If you only knew how much work it is to 
open up a new strewn field or to find the first piece. Many of the 
hunters take a chance and their own money and time to bring you new 
material. What is this worth? What ever price the finder wants to sell 
it for. If the price is too high don't buy it. Try this, on the next 
fireball, hop on a plane and check it out for yourself. What is your 
time worth? Often there is a chance of coming home empty handed.


When I first got into meteorites, I thought it was a pretty open group 

that
welcomed newer members/collectors and future hunters. I quickly found 

out that
not many are willing to "help the competition" and its basicly dog eat 

dog.


Sure, many are willing to help you build your collection by selling you
meteorites, but very few are actually willing to lend/offer first hand 

teaching
and "in field" experience to those that want to learn from the people 

that are

supposed to be "the best".


When I first heard about meteorites, I called and emailed many of the 
top hunters with no reply's. So I did the next best thing, started 
doing my own research on meteorites and hunting techniques. A month 
later I found my first meteorite. Six months later I had a new strewn 
field. 2 years later I had found 2 new strewn fields with many finds. 
Several years later I have been able to find 2 very rare meteorites. 
This just shows you that you can do it yourself with a little work and 
perseverance . There are many other great hunters out there including 
Ruben Garcia, Mike Miller, Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold just to name a 
few. Of course there are so many others out there that are even members 
of this list (too many to mention).They have been able to build their 
own collections from some of their finds. Whats to say you can't 
accomplish the same thing. Get out there and give it a try! Hopefully I 
will be able to buy a new find from you some day.


Good Luck,
Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Greg Catterton 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 3, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ash Creek the most expensive ordinary 
chondrite?‏








Hi to all, I thought I would add my 2 pennies...

I would have to disagree, I think the more hunters, the cheaper the 
material due

to more people having material for sale and less chance for a select few
"friends" to set what they all will charge.

Look at it this way (its how I do anyway)
Compare Carancas... It sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel 
from the

USA to Peru.

West... it also sold for $100 per gram and they had to travel to Texas 
from the

USA (many only one or two states away)

What costs more? The travel to Texas or Peru?

Carancas had a much lower TKW then West (west TKW is more then double), 
made a

crater and had a ton on media not to mention was of much more scientific
importance then west due to the circumstances of the fall, crater and 
events

that surrounded it.

Thanks to Mike Farmer, the media attention around Carancas doubled. 
(not really
a bad thing, but more a fact - his "escape" made for great reading and 
a neat

story.)

Its my opinion, however unpopular, that new falls are about getting as 
much
profit as possible as fast as possible... I also think inaccurate 
reports of TW
lead to the higher price of West - I still see people clearly stating 
that only
about 3 kilos were recovered when I know of many who walked away with 
several

kilos themselves!

Another example of West and meteorite politics (which leads to these 
high
prices)... The same people who were ready to exclude and not "allow" 
people to
the AZ fall location (and used the excuse "we dont want others running 
in our
backyard like they did in west") were actually the same ones doing just 
that to

others backyards at West.

I really think that the price is more about who gets there first and 
who is

"allowed" to hunt the field.
Meteorites are competitive and my eyes were opened to just how much so 
due to

recent falls.

When I first got into meteorites, I thought it was a pretty open group 
that
welcomed newer members/collectors and future hunters. I quickly found 
out that
not many are willing to "help the competition" and its basicly dog eat 
dog.


Sure, many are willing to help you build your collection by selling you
meteorites, but very few are actually willing to lend/offer first hand 
teaching
and "in field" experience to those that want to learn from the people 
that are

supposed to be "the best".

I know my thoughts on this topic are not too popular with some, but I am
honestly speaking from what I have seen looking in from the sidelines.

Greg C.



--- On Tue, 11/3/09, al mitt  wrote:


From: al mitt 
Subject: Re: 

Re: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite Wiki: For The World

[wahlperry]

Hi Eric,

Good job on the Wiki site, it looks good.


On a more positive note, we can be happy about the millions of viewers
that the new and exciting Meteorite Men cable television series on the
Science Channel will garner. A lot of these people will become
fascinated by them, and hopefully will be amazed enough to research 

more

information on them. The show I think will create a whole new group of
meteorite collectors and hunters through the ingenious 

adventure/science
theme of the show, and most likely will add a few new scientists to 

the
meteorite world as well. To be able to entertain and educate at the 

same

time about the coolest rocks on the face of the planet has to rank up
there. It doesn't get much more exciting than that.


I could not agree more, we need to complement Geoff and Steve for their 
contributions to the Meteorite world!


Sonny



-Original Message-
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 


Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 1:58 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Meteorite Wiki: For The World







Good Morning Listees, 
 

Hope everyone had a great week last week. I've had a great time this
past week, and have received a large number of emails and phone calls
from friends in this community congratulating me on creating the
Meteorite Wiki. I'd like to say thank you very much for all the kind
words, advice and suggestions for the site, I do appreciate all of it.
But I find it kind of weird to receive these kind words on something
that should have been created long ago. Why it wasn't I have no idea as
it's something that is greatly needed by the meteorite world, and now
the main stream. 
 

With increasing awareness of meteorite falls, fireballs, asteroids,
including the mighty mid-air explosions over Indonesia, and even a few
hoaxes as the media spins more and more fantastic tales about 
asteroids,

meteorites and meteors it's more important than ever to provide an
information source that will help educate the public about meteorites,
the events that surround them and the science behind them. 
 

This is especially important given the massive media attention and the
inaccurate data being reported. That is a huge problem in and of 
itself.

Poor reporting by lazy reporters and skewed data are constant problems. 
 

On a more positive note, we can be happy about the millions of viewers
that the new and exciting Meteorite Men cable television series on the
Science Channel will garner. A lot of these people will become
fascinated by them, and hopefully will be amazed enough to research 
more

information on them. The show I think will create a whole new group of
meteorite collectors and hunters through the ingenious 
adventure/science

theme of the show, and most likely will add a few new scientists to the
meteorite world as well. To be able to entertain and educate at the 
same

time about the coolest rocks on the face of the planet has to rank up
there. It doesn't get much more exciting than that. 
 

Meteorites will continue to grow in popularity as awareness increases.
Millions of people will watch the show yes, and millions more will 
watch

the new movie by director Roland Emmerich called 2012. 
 

Most are familiar with the ominous 2012 date from the Mayan calendar
because the calendar inexplicably ends on the date of December 21 2012,
which some believe marks the end of the world. Some believe that it
foretells of the future impact of a massive asteroid with the Earth in
which all life will be extinguished in a huge ball of fire wiping out
all living creatures and human beings in the process. 
 

Thanks to Roland Emmerich's new 2012 movie and the countless millions 
of

people and websites surrounding this event, the date is now etched in
the minds of hundreds of millions of people across the globe, and the
closer we get to this date, the more interest in asteroids there will
be, and in turn the more interest there will be in meteorites! 
 

Given the recent 50 kiloton explosion (equivalent to 110 million pounds
of TNT explosives) of an untracked and very scientifically surprising
asteroid over Indonesia just a few weeks ago, this proves there's more
out there than we can possibly track and raises some alarm as well.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news165.html 
 

Many scientists were taken by surprise and were amazed at the force and
size of the mid-air explosion. It's been reported that no one knew it
existed until it exploded over land scaring thousands of locals and
setting off infrasound detection systems thousands of miles away. 
 

I can't really mention all this without mentioning NASAs new Asteroid
Watch program http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/asteroidwatch/ and of course the
NEO (Near Earth Object Program) http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/ both of which
track, record and notify interested parties of the potential hazards of
the extraterrestrial visitors we lovingly know as asteroids. Many of
NASAs program participants and scientists are ever more aware of the

[meteorite-list] Nick Gesslers new contact info

[wahlperry]

Hi ,

would anyone have Nick Gesslers new contact info?  Could you email off 
list.


Thanks,

Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two

[wahlperry]

Way to go! keep up the good work!

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Mike Bandli 
To: 'Meteorite List' 
Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2009 7:50 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Grimsby Day Two






Hello all

As you have seen from Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day and Roman's
report, today was a success with the third stone and current main mass 
found

by Mike Farmer.

It was a full day of searching both urban and rural landscapes, 
everything
from street gutters to vineyards to grass fields and for it we have 
three
points on a line that will hopefully allow us to construct the 
strewnfield

better. The article about the geese...true. The eyes are crossed from
concentrating so hard on trying to find stones through the goose turds.

While we did not meet up until the end of the day, we did learn that 
there

is a large showing from the Canadian science community, just passed Alan
Hildebrand and Ellen Milley in the stairwell on the our way to a well 
earned

soak in the jacuzzi. It is nice to see the scientists out of the lab and
working to find these all too uncommon stones and their collaboration 
with

hunters has been refreshing.

No homeowners have denied us permission. In short, the whole Grimsby
experience has been exceptional but for the lack of meteorites.

Farmer's find restored all of our hopes and the hunt continues. A shout 
out

to Farmer for the excellent celebratory dinner he sprung for.

Didn't have much time to snap photos today, but Bandli uploaded a few 
more

pics here:

http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/grimsby.html


Rob Wesel
www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?

[wahlperry]

Hi Adam and List,

This would be great! We could have the auction and Birthday bash at the 
top of the Palms Hotel and Casino!



Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Adam Hupe 
To: Adam 
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 1:43 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem/Mineral Show Relocating to Vegas?






Dear List Members,

Wow, I could not believe what I read  the Mohave Valley Daily News and 
the local

papers today.

It states that the American Gem Trade Association is likely to accept 
an offer
from Las Vegas to relocate the entire Gem and Mineral show here in 
Nevada after
a run since 1955 in Tucson. The Chief executive, Doug Hucker told the 
Tucson
City council, "if we do not see progress on a hotel and upgrading of 
the

convention center, we will leave."

Vendors have been complaining for years about the lack of 
infrastructure to
support such a show in Tucson and state, it is time to move to a venue 
that can
adequately host such an event such as Las Vegas which is at the top of 
the list.
It looks like Las Vegas will bend over backwards to get the estimated 
$100
million this show pumps into the local economy every year.  Las Vegas 
could
easily accommodate this event since it is the number one tourist and 
convention

destination in the world.

Best Regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield

[wahlperry]

Hi Ruben, Rob and List,

I would like to congratulate Ruben on his new find. There is no doubt 
that this will be one of the top finds for 2009! Here is my 2 cents 
worth on what type meteorite this may be. I had a chance to look at the 
exterior and polished face. My first impression of the cut face  
reminded me of a ureilite. I also noticed what appeared to be a 
chondrule that would rule out a ureilite, unless it was a relic 
chondrule. The exterior has the weathered appearance of a lodranite. 
What ever this meteorite turns out to be, it will be unique. I guess we 
will have to leave it up to the experts.


2 cents worth poll : )

#1 Ureilite
#2 Lodranite


Sonny








Hi Ruben,

Congrats on the new Arizona find! What a terrific discovery: metal,
large olivine phenocrysts, and even a lonely chondrule. The presence
of that chondrule would seem, by definition, to rule out an achondrite
classification, although I understand acapulcoites apparently (and
paradoxically) can contain chondrules (e.g. NWA 725, GRA 98028).
But I can't say I've ever heard of an acapulcoite with such large
olivine phenocrysts, so I would be inclined to rule out this
classification.

I guess the riddle to ask is "When does a pallasite have chondrules?"

:D  --Rob

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Of Ruben

Garcia
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:15 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A Rare Arizona Meteorite Find plus a
possible"NEW" New Mexico Strewnfield


Hi all,

On September 24, 2009 I made (what I think will be) one of the most
important Arizona meteorite finds of my life. I found what is probably
a very rare achondrite meteorite. I say probably because no one can
definitively say what type it is just by looking. It is currently
being classified at ASU by Lawrence Garvie – so we will soon know.

Here is a link
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm


This past weekend – in an attempt to find more - I put together a team
of top notch meteorite hunters (Mike Miller, Sonny Clary, Stan Wall,
Del Waterbury, Mike Morgan and Myself). Unfortunately, between the
rains and mud we came up empty.

After checking the weather (online) with a very helpful Susan Morrison
we decided that in order to get out of the rain we needed to head
east. Within a sort time we found ourselves in an area in New Mexico
where no finds have been recorded.

We hunted for an hour or two when I spotted Mike Morgan and Del
examining a stone. Sure enough Del had found his first cold find and
it was a very fresh looking meteorite! Mike Morgan was next to find
one and then shortly after I did too.

We think this may prove to be a “NEW” and very fresh New Mexico=2
0Strewn
field. Time will tell as we return to hunt for more of these
beautifully crusted specimens in the weeks to come.

Take a look
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/newmexicometeorites.htm


Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
WWW.Mr-Meteorite.Net

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Re: [meteorite-list] High-flying Skip Wilson

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

What an achievement, over 100 different meteorites from the USA. A well 
deserved honor for his accomplishments.


Congratulations Skip!



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Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 12:49 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] High-flying Skip Wilson






Hi All,

I'm sure many of you are aware of the impressive systematic
meteorite recovery field work that Skip Wilson has carried
out for over 40 years. On the recommendation of Rob Reisener,
and with his assistance in drafting the citation, we present:



(195998) Skipwilson = 2002 RO235
Ivan "Skip" Wilson (b. 1941) is a pioneer of systematic meteorite
recovery.  He has found over 100 distinct meteorites in the blowouts of
eastern New Mexico since 1966, and he witnessed and recovered the 1998
Portales Valley fall.  He has coauthored papers about meteorite 
accumulation

rates and pairing.

Epoch 2010 Jan. 4.0 TT = JDT 2455200.5  MPC
M  50.36155  (2000.0)  P Q
n   0.17917191  Peri.   95.37423  +0.30118054  -0.94906225  T =
2454919.42051 JDT
a   3.1161816   Node   336.44568  +0.75715229  +0.29703306  q = 
2.5115639

e   0.1940252   Incl.   13.39554  +0.57966430  +0.10512950
P   5.50H   14.7 G   0.15   U   1

From 91 observations at 5 oppositions, 1991-2008, mean residual 0".58.


Last observed on 2009 Sept. 27.
Discovery date : 2002 09 01
Discovery site : Haleakala
Discoverer(s) : Matson, R.

Congratulations Skip!

Best wishes,
Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of theDay-September14, 2009/ Recent Meteorite hunting trips to this area

[wahlperry]

Hi Michael and list,

Great pictures!  Has any one been to the Sikhote-alin strewn field to 
hunt meteorites recently? Or is this area still of limits to hunting?


Thanks,

Sonny


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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 8:33 am
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theDay-September14, 2009







I have added a few photos from the impact site along with Matt's great 
piece

here:
http://www.sikhote-alin.org/sikhote-alin-1947.html

Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org

Thumbed On My BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Jeff Kuyken" 

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:10:45
To: 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the
   Day-September14, 2009


Hi all,

Most of you have probably seen it already but for anyone following this
thread there is footage of a couple of trees in the Sikhote-Alin 
documentary

where pieces have gone clean through them. It's at about 6:08.

http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/sikhote-alin.html

Cheers,

Jeff


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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the
Day-September14, 2009



George
I don't think the heat was from the small meteorite itself, but the
kinetic energy released by the impacting bodies. There was enough 

energy

to form craters/pits that were 20-30m wide and down trees.
Like in all cratering events, there was a hot air blast caused by the
energy release which may have charred the outside of the trees.

This is just a possible way to explain the charring, if in fact, that 

is

what I am seeing on the bark of the tree (again, not behind the small
meteorite).
Matt
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I don't see any charring...only  staining/rust. <<


Wanting to expand a little here...assuming the  tree was alive when
struck,
I don't think a small meteorite would carry enuf  heat to cause any
charring that would be noticed today. Being one who relies on  a 

woodstove

as their
primary source of heat, I can attest that it's a real bear  to get 

wet

wood
to even think about burning. If it was a dead tree, I still  doubt 

there
would be enuf heat in this small piece to cause anything to burn. If  

a

small
piece was hot enuf to cause any charring, I can only imagine how much
heat
would be in the larger pieces...were there any burnt trees in the
strewnfield area? I can't tell from the photograph, but was this 

piece a

fragment or
an individual?
George Zay

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day -September14, 2009

[wahlperry]

Hi Matt,

What a cool piece to have in your collection. How did you ever find it?

P.S. If you ever want to sell it, put me first on the list!

Sonny


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Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:14 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day 
-September14, 2009







George
I don't think the heat was from the small meteorite itself, but the 
kinetic
energy released by the impacting bodies. There was enough energy to 
form

craters/pits that were 20-30m wide and down trees.
Like in all cratering events, there was a hot air blast caused by the 
energy

release which may have charred the outside of the trees.

This is just a possible way to explain the charring, if in fact, that 
is what I
am seeing on the bark of the tree (again, not behind the small 
meteorite).

Matt
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-September14,

2009
Sent: Sep 15, 2009 11:04 AM


I don't see any charring...only  staining/rust. <<


Wanting to expand a little here...assuming the  tree was alive when 
struck,

I don't think a small meteorite would carry enuf  heat to cause any
charring that would be noticed today. Being one who relies on  a 
woodstove as

their
primary source of heat, I can attest that it's a real bear  to get wet 
wood
to even think about burning. If it was a dead tree, I still  doubt 
there
would be enuf heat in this small piece to cause anything to burn. If  a 
small
piece was hot enuf to cause any charring, I can only imagine how much  
heat

would be in the larger pieces...were there any burnt trees in the
strewnfield area? I can't tell from the photograph, but was this piece 
a

fragment or
an individual?
George Zay

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Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Blitz

[wahlperry]

Hi Erik,Ben

Way to go!  Keep up the good work.

Sonny


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Sent: Sat, Sep 12, 2009 4:15 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Blitz







Recently pops and I drove up to Holbrook for a quick one day
hunt.  Considering that we didn't even spend 8 hours looking we made 
out like

bandits.
I have insitu pictures, cleaned up pictures, and total pictures
which is quite a few so Ill here are our two totals first for people who
don't have time to sift through a lot of pictures:
Erik's Total (14.7g's)- 
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view¤t=IMG_4197.jpg


Dad's Total (18g's)- 
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view¤t=IMG_4198.jpg


Here is my dad with his 8.7 gram stone:
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/?action=view¤t=IMG_4015copy.jpg


Here are the isitu pictures:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3887copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3894copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3907copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3920copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3928copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3932copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3955copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3965copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3970copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3973copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3979copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3982copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3984copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3985copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3989copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3991copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3993copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_3999copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4001copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4004copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4005copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4006copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4008copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4020copy.jpg

Here are the cleaned up shots. There are two shots, a front and back, 
for

each stone.  The cube shows T for Top and B for bottom.

Dad's:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4128.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4130copy.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4131.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4132.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4133.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4135.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4136.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4138.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4139.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4140.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4141.jpg


Erik's:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4152.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4154.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4155.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4158.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4159.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4160.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4161.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4162.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4163.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4164.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4165.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4166.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4168.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4169.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4170.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4171.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4172.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4174.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4176.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4177.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4178.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4179.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4180.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4181.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4182.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4183.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4184.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4185.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/phxerik/IMG_4186.jpg
http://i38.phot

[meteorite-list] Could Dogs be trained to recover meteorites?

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I wonder what triggered Hopper to pick up and move the freshly fallen 
Ash Creek meteorite. Was it the sound of the meteorites falling to the 
ground or was it the strange smell that the meteorite produced? Could a 
dog be trained to aid in recovering meteorites from a fresh fall? What 
the heck, anything is possible. I decided to give it a try with my own 
dog. My dog is a 16 month old German Shepherd that is worked on the 
average of 45 minutes a day in some aspects of his training. The 
majority of his training is obedience and some scent tracking etc. Once 
Brix has the scent of the object you can hide it or throw it and he 
usually finds the object within minutes.


The true test would be to arrive on a fresh fall and put his nose to 
the test (like that's going to happen). The next best thing to use 
would be meteorites from a fresh fall. The only problem would be the 
scent from everyone that has held the meteorites. I know what you are 
thinking, take a couple of Ash Creek meteorites and wash them off with 
a little detergent and water and place them in the yard. I decided to 
just wipe the meteorites off and place them in the yard. This sounded 
like  the next best thing to a fresh strewn field. The only problem was 
that the neighbors cat decided to run across the strewn field at the 
time of the test.
Brix (having all of his training in obedience) decided to chase the cat 
. Once I finally caught Brix  and he was over the excitement of chasing 
the cat I could retry this theory. The second test went ok, Brix was 
able to find the meteorites with little difficulty.


You have to wonder if Brix was still picking up my scent on the 
meteorites or my scent walking through the yard. I will keep you posted 
on the results.


P.S. Anyone looking to purchase some slightly used meteorites? Just 
kidding!


Sonny


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Re: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved

[wahlperry]

Hi Steve,

Happy Birthday !

Sonny


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Sent: Wed, Aug 5, 2009 4:38 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] thanks to all involved



Good morning list. Its no jive,today I hit 55. Well anyway I want to 
thank all
who chimed in for my last freebie session. All 20 pieces are gone. I 
also want
to thank brett whitenack for sending me valuable nininger info,plus a 
free copy
of the huss meteorite handbook of meteorites. It is very nice reading. 
I also
want to thank greg catterton for sending me a freebie as well. I look 
forward to
it. Now for myself,I am getting something I have never had,a 
TATTOO.Sort of a

wild thing,thing. Stay tuned and have a great day.
 Steve R. Arnold, Chicago!!



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Re: [meteorite-list] NEW Ocate, NM Iron Classification & Specimens - AD

[wahlperry]

Hi Greg,

Congratulations on your new meteorite!

Sonny


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Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW Ocate, NM Iron Classification & Specimens 
- AD



Dear List Members, 
 
I would like to announce a newly-approved iron meteorite found in New 
Mexico in 1986 and has just been approved. It is a IAB-MG (Main Group), 
coarse ochtahedrite and is named "Ocate" after the nearest town to 
where it was found. It will be in the online database soon and will be 
published in MB96 (Sept, issue MaPS). It wasn't until 2008 that they 
finder approached me with the single 6.4kg stone that the 
classification process began. I went to the find site last fall with 
the person who found it to take GPS coordinates, photograph the area 
and to hunt for more if there were any to be found. We didn't have much 
time to hunt at that time so we did not find any others. 

 
Here are a couple of links to give you an idea of how nice Ocate is 
(see all available specimens below classification below). This was cut 
and prepared by one of the best meteorite craftsman in the business! 

 
Polished and etched face of a 314g complete slice: 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc2.jpg 
Ocate, New Mexico sign: 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/OcateSign.jpg 
The find site of the 6.4kg Oca
te iron: 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/findsite.jpg 
 
Getting to the find site is treacherous and a 4-wheel drive vehicle 
with high clearance is required! It took us about three hours after 
leaving the paved road to get to the site up the mountain on a road 
that was more like a crater-ridden trail with large boulders in most 
places and swampy mud in others. To successfully hunt the site would 
require camping for a week, there is no way to drive up and down the 
mountain each day and get enough hunting hours in to make it 
worthwhile. There are also lots of elk hunters during hunting season so 
anyone who wants to give it a go, be careful! 

 
Submitted and approved classification for "Ocate": 
Ocate 36° 17.72' N, 105° 2.90' W 
 
Mora County, New Mexico 
 
Find: 1986 
 
Iron (IAB-MG), coarse octahedrite 
 
 
History: This single 6.4kg mass was found by a local New Mexico hunter 
in 1986. Knowing it was different from the surrounding rocks and had an 
odd appearance (the face of a bear), the hunter took it home and set it 
aside with an odd assortment of 'collectibles' while hunting and 
mountaineering over decades in the New Mexico area. The owner contacted 
G. Hupe in May 2008 for verification of the find, which was confirmed 
by study of the type sample at the University of Alberta. 

 
Physical characteristics: A single stone w
eighing 6402 grams with 
virtually no apparent fusion crust, yet also lacking progressed 
terrestrial alteration, which contributes towards its dark brown 
metallic appearance with well defined regmaglypts. 

 
Petrography: (C. Herd, N. Bruemmer, UAb) A 5 x 7 cm polished and etched 
slab reveals Widmanstätten pattern with an average bandwidth of 1.4 ± 
0.2 mm, few areas of plessite, and numerous inclusions. A 1 cm 
ellipsoidal graphite nodule and several smaller inclusions of graphite, 
troilite and schreibersite are associated with polygonal kamacite on 
one portion of the slab. Smaller, mm-scale elongate inclusions of 
troilite are oriented parallel to kamacite lamellae where the 
Widmanstätten is better developed. Terrestrial oxides decorate 
fractures within a few mm of the exterior surface. 

 
Geochemistry: Bulk Composition: INAA data (J. Duke, UAb): Ni = 6.99 ± 
0.05 wt%, Co = 0.466 ± 0.004 wt%, Ga = 71.9 ± 0.3 μg/g, Ge = 271 ± 6 
μg/g, Ir = 2.25 ± 0.04 μg/g, Au = 1.60 ± 0.03 μg/g, As = 15.2 ± 0.3 
μg/g, Cu = 119 ± 11 μg/g, W = 0.87 ± 0.08 μg/g, Re = 0.22 ± 0.02 μg/g 
(uncertainties 1s, 68% confidence level). 

 
Classification: Iron meteorite, IAB main group, coarse octahedrite, 
minimal shock, minimal weathering. 

 
Type specimens: 97.58 g slab and a 3.2 g interior piece, UAb, main 
mass, G. Hupe. 0D

 
 
I have only 12 specimens out of 15 that are available, here is the list 
which also shows the thickness of each piece: 

 
Ocate, New Mexico IAB-MG iron meteorite 
910g end cut 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/nm910a.jpg 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/nm910b.jpg 
 
322.6g cs 4mm thick 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc1.jpg 
 
314g cs 4mm 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc2.jpg 
 
211.6g cs 3.5mm 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc3.jpg 
 
208.2g cs 4mm 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc4.jpg 
 
191g cs 4mm 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc5.jpg 
 
168.6g cs 2.5mm 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc6.jpg 
 
163.8g cs 2.5mm 
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc7.jpg 
 
162.9g ps 6.5mm 
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162.8g cs 3.5mm 
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men program

[wahlperry]

Hi List,

I wanted to congratulate Geoff and Steve on the premiere of their show 
on the Science channel. It was a great episode. I hope to see more. 
Keep up the good work guys!


Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting ethics

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I really have nothing more to add to Mike's statement regarding what 
happened in Georgia!  Meteorite hunters are not welcome trust us on 
this! I can not tell you guys how nice it was to walk into my house and 
put my arms around my family.


Sonny



-Original Message-
From: Mike Miller 
To: Michael Murray 
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:00 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting 
ethics







Hello everyone I am not going to get involved in a long discussion
here, I just want to state for the record what happened to me. I was
charged with walking down an UN posted dirt road. I was charged with 2
counts as I parked my rental vehicle in plain sight on a highway and
did walk down this UN posted dirt road on 2 different days.  In
Georgia they call it Criminal Trespass and it covers a very wide range
of offenses. I was not hunting meteorites on the property I was simply
trying to reach the area I thought might contain meteorites. I did not
know the road was private and there were no signs that stated it was
private. I was informed that in Georgia it is not necessary to post a
road as private. I also realize that if I were raised in Georgia I
would have likely known the road was private, but since I spend most
of my time in the wide open west. I felt 
I was safe to walk down this

dirt road and try to get to the area I was hoping had meteorite in it,
that was still miles past the area of this dirt road.
I was asked by the Judge of Burke county to inform every meteorite
hunter that you are not welcome in Burke county and I can personally
guarantee you that they are not kidding. Do not go to Burke county and
knock on doors as you will be very sorry you came.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Michael Murray  
wrote:
In a constructive thread, I'd like to hear more about how the hunters 

out
there discuss hunting private property with landowners, how they 

determine
who owns the property, do you pay a fee normally, do you do a formal 

written
agreement on split of find.  Could be that if some of the more 

seasoned List
participants/hunters visit this topic in a somewhat detailed manner 

that
other hunters might better arm themselves with the knowledge it takes 

to do

it right.

Mike in CO


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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve and his Dam Hammer!

[wahlperry]

Hi Mike ,
If Steve gets to call his meteorite a Dam Hammer ,do I get to call mine 
a Lake Hammer? The lake bed is now under 8-10' of water from all the 
rain.


http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm

Sonny


-Original Message-
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To: cyna...@charter.net; Meteorite List 


Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer






Darreb wrote:" at what
point in the grade from dirt to concrete does the artificially-built 

dam

become
"artificial enough" to be concidered a hammerable object?  When does 

the bloom

become Michael's tomato?"


Hi Darren (and all),
   I have a very precise response: The moment
It matters to someone.
---
   This issue is a sad one to me. I recently lost a
Good friend over it - at least I think it was over this
Issue, I have a hard time telling because he emailed
Me he disapproved of my business practices and
didn't want to talk to me, and this was the topic
Under discussion at the time. So, I can only assume
It is over this very issue.
--
   It's real simple folks: if it has meaning for you,
Great, if it doesn't have meaning for you, no problem.

The problem comes when people tell others what
SHOULD be considered this or that and whether
It SHOULD cost more or not, etc. If it costs more
Than it is worth to you, don't buy it. You do not have
To make up a scenario in your head about the dealer
Trying to rip you off.

   I like hammers. Not everything another person
Has called a hammer seemed like a hammer to me and
Some things that are a hammer to me are not a hammer
To others.

   To me, a "hammer" is a fall wherein one or more
Individual meteorites strikes a man made artifact, animal
Or human. Not just the one, two or more stones in that
Fall that strike things (those are "hammer stones") - but
The entire fall.

   Many will see it this way - others obviously see it
As only those individual meteorites that struck the
Artifact/animal/person. I have never met a hammer collector
That did not value the specific "hammer stone(s)" more than
Other individuals in that fall, but there are many falls wherein
The hammer stone was "lost." ie: Chiang-Khan  where many
Stones landed in a boat on the river. The fisherman, feeling
They were "evil" threw them overboard. A hammer collector
Can get one of the other individuals of that fall, but not one
Of the stones that fell into the boat (I only know of 2 falls that
Involve landing on a boat).

   Anyway, this could go on forever. Embrace what has meaning
For you. Do not embrace what does not hold meaning for you -
But it would be nice if you didn't rain on the parade others are
Enjoying.
   Best wishes, Michael



From: Darren Garrison 
Reply-To: 
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:33:49 -0500
To: Meteorite List 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer

On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:24:45 -0700, you wrote:


Suppose a meteorite fragment struck the Hoover Dam and was recovered?
Would that be considered a hammer or no?


See, that's the problem with a nebulous term.  There are lots of ways 

to build

a
dam-- pile up dirt, use field stones (with some sort of 

sealant/mortar in the
gaps), use sand bags, use bricks, use logs (again, with a sealant), 

use poured

concrete...

Let's say, for the sake of argument, hitting a poured concrete dam 

(like the
Hoover) DOES make a hammer-- but hitting an earthen dam DOES NOT make 

a

hammer.
Okay, that has established upper and lower limits of hammerdom-- but 

at what
point in the grade from dirt to concrete does the artificially-built 

dam

become
"artificial enough" to be concidered a hammerable object?  When does 

the bloom

become Michael's tomato?
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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad / West Texas meteorites 10.3, 9.7 gram 100% fusion crusted .

[wahlperry]

Hi ,

I have two West Texas meteorites picked up days after the fall with 
100% fusion crust fore sale.  1- 10.3 gram, 1 - 9.7 gram. $ 65.00 per 
gram. Free shipping in the USA. Email off list for pictures.


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Re: [meteorite-list] My Two West Texas Videos "Meteorite Recovery" and "Hopper"

[wahlperry]

Hi Ruben,

Way to go on the great videos. Keep up the good work.

Sonny


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[meteorite-list] Re contact info for Marc Fries

[wahlperry]

Hi ,

Mark could you contact me off list.

Thanks,
Sonny


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[meteorite-list] Pictures of 13.5 gram Oriented shield West Texas meteorite

[wahlperry]

Hi All ,

I have put a few more pictures of the 13.5 oriented shield up on my web 
page.


Sonny

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Re: [meteorite-list] Waco Tribune Letter to the Editor

[wahlperry]

Hi Matt,

Way to go, Nice letter!


Sonny



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Hi All: 

I wrote a small letter to the editor of the Waco Tribune that was 
actually printed. Basically, it was in response to a not-so-flattering 
article that was printed in the February 26th edition. 

 

 
 

Best, 

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[meteorite-list] West Texas meteorites for sale!

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I have Just returned home from West Texas. I will be offering a couple 
of the meteorites for sale. The meteorites are 100% fully crusted. 
email off list for prices.


#1- 3.9 grams with a small iron flake showing on one edge.

#2- 5.3 gram .

#3- 9.5 gram piece with a small flake of iron showing .

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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad, Oriented shield 13.5 gram West Texas meteorite

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I have one 13.5 gram West Texas oriented shield, with roll-over rim / 
lip. The trailing side has the rich dark black frothing fusion crust. 
This is a truly spectacular meteorite!  Email off list for pictures. 
All reasonable offers will be considered.



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[meteorite-list] My Pasamonte Strewn Field Adventure

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

This subject came up on the Nugget Shooter list. I thought members of 
this list might enjoy this story too.


Sonny


'm sure everyone here has read about the Pasamonte meteorite fall that 
happened back in 1933 in New Mexico. They estimate the original mass 
weighed anywhere from 1000 to 1,000,000 tons. It was probably the 
brightest meteorite ever witnessed yet only 5-10 >pounds of it were 
ever recovered. Surely there has to be more laying around. Does anyone 
know about the land ownership status in that area? Is that area really 
rugged to the point it would keep meteorite hunters from looking for 
more pieces? How about the >composition of the meteorite itself. Would 
a eucrite last long in the field since they say it's a fragile 
meteorite? I see where everyone hunts for Glorieta pallisite in NM but 
no one seems to hunt the Pasamonte eucrite which would be worth a 
fortune if some were to >be recovered.



I had the chance to hunt the Pasamonte strewn field a couple of years 
ago with a few good friends including Rob Reisener and Steve Schoner. 
The strewn field is made up mostly of flat range land with low 
vegetation. On the South and East sides of the strewn field are large 
canyons that resemble a small version of the  Grand Canyon that go on 
for miles. The canyons are full of wildlife including black bears. I 
know what you are thinking, Black Bears in the middle of grass lands. 
The day prior to our arrival the ranch owner had a large black bear in 
the front yard looking for food. I told Steve and Rob I would have bet 
you a million dollars that the only bears in this area lived in a zoo 
in the next city.


One of my favorite parts of our meteorite hunting trips is that you 
have  a chance to sit down and talk to the property owner and hear the 
story of the meteorite fall and the early meteorite hunters . Nininger 
was one of the first meteorite hunters to arrive at the ranch to 
purchase and hunt for more pieces. Approximately one hundred fragments 
were recovered. We talked for hours on the back porch overlooking the 
strewn field. After getting permission to hunt the strewn we were given 
a guided tour of the ranch and had a chance to look around the old 
ranch house where many of the Pasamonte pieces were purchased by 
Nininger. The property surrounding the old house was full of old cars 
and everything they accumulated over the years. The only advice we were 
given was to watch out for rattlesnakes. In our previous conversation 
with the ranch owner he talked about being bitten on the back by a 
rattle snake while eating lunch out herding cattle. "I damned near died 
 from the snake bite he said!"  They had to build a two foot fence 
around the main ranch house just to keep the rattlesnakes out of the 
yard. Three prairie rattlesnakes were killed by the ranch hands in 
front of the main house a few days before. The old house was built over 
a basement with a concrete stairway leading under the house. The upper 
floor of the house was missing a door or two and full of everything! 
Still the chance to find a Pasamonte meteorite was "worth the stay in a 
hospital from a snake bite" I told Rob as I tried to get him to go 
first down the stairway. After a few seconds of discussing this Rob, 
Steve and myself decided the chance of finding a meteorite in the 
basement or upper floor were not good. The three of us looked around 
the property with no luck. We did find a Hognose snake along the fence.


In all reality the chance of finding a  eucrite after all these years 
would not be good. The condition of the strewn field during the time of 
the fall was little or no vegetation due to the drought that they were 
experiencing in 1933. Many of the fragments were easily spotted by the  
sheep herders and ranch hands due to the rich dark black fusion crust 
of a eucrite. 75 years of farming and ranching would make it almost 
impossible for a Pasamonte eucrite to survive for that many years. If 
you were able to come across a fragment it would have traces of a dull 
black fusion crust with a dirty white to gray interior and crumble with 
little or no effort .



The following morning we hunted the rolling hills wandering through the 
strewn field that was now patches of tall grass with some open areas of 
vegetation. Cattle and antelope also wandered the strewn field for as 
far as you could see. For most of the day a young antelope followed 
behind me 100' or so only stopping as I did to wait while I  look at 
suspected meteorites. After numerous hours of hunting I could see Rob 
off in the distance walking towards my location. When we finally met up 
we were a half mile or so off the edge from were the flat land dropped 
into the steep ravines. Rob and I both talked about the condition of 
the strewn field and the chances of finding any meteorites at all. As 
we were talking I noticed off in the distance  what looked like a small 
  herd of antelope running from the edge of the canyo

Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson questions and predictions

[wahlperry]

Dear Gerald,

gives a rats ass if anyone gets your FREE autograph and photo 
opportunitues to in the whole world that knows who you are and even if they did- you're 
not some god worthy of 

Of course this is a JOKE...I really meant to say unlimited autographs 
and photo opportunities!!!


Sonny

P.S. I hope to see NO line cutting at this event!



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Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 8:34 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson questions and predictions



"To make everyone happy for the high cost of travel, rooms, food etc I
will be giving FREE autographs and photo opportunities to the first 200
people."
 
LOL- it that supposed to be some kind of a joke or something???  Who 
gives a rats ass if anyone gets your FREE autograph and photo 
opportunitues to the first 200 people. LOL  There's not even 200 people 
in the whole world that knows who you are and even if they did- you're 
not some god worthy of wasting anyones time getting your autograph.LOL

 
Gerald

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson questions and predictions

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Hi All,
I would encourage everyone to go to Tucson if they have a chance. If 
you have ever dreamed of hunting meteorites or wanted to hold a rare 
meteorite this is the place, not to mention the Famous birthday Bash 
and auction!
To make everyone happy for the high cost of travel, rooms, food etc I 
will be giving FREE autographs and photo opportunities to the first 200 
people .


Sonny


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Sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson questions and predictions






In a message dated 1/30/2009 1:49:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,
star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes:
I have questions anf thoughts about  Tucson...
Is it really worth going? I would think that prices would be hogher  
due to
cost of travel and living (room, food etc) for the show and the dealers 


wanting to recover funds for that.
Also a friend is out there and says its  slower then he has ever seen, 
does

anyone else see this?
Could this show be a  dissapointment like Denver was?
Will this be more of a dealers meeting/buying  trip then collectors and 
the

average person?
I was wanting to go, but from  what I have seen so far, I may have 
saved

myself alot of money by not making the  trip.
I am thinking that we will see prices drop after the show due to  
dealers

needing to recover costs of the trip.

Any opinions and or  comments on this?


*
*
*

Greg,

I am not sure I have heard anyone that has ever said they  regretted 
every

going to Tucson.

I don't ever hesitate to tell ANYONE  that they need to go to Tucson at 
least

once in their lives.  Just walking  around and seeing everything
(non-meteorite even) that is for sale is amazing,  and unlike anything 
you will

ever
experience.

Your logic above is  quite a bit flawed.  You mention the prices might 
be
higher at the show due  to the costs, then you mention that afterwards 
the

prices
might be lower due to  the costs.   Over the years I have found that if 
the
prices are going  to be higher or lower, they will both be higher or 
lower

during and after the  show.

Every year there seems to be a pattern, buyers come in early during  
the show
to cherry pick the best quality and the most undervalued pieces that  
the
show has to offer.  Then buyers also come in at (or stick around until) 
the end


to pick up great bargains that might be left at the end of the  show.  
Then
others come in for the main weekend only to go to the Birthday  Bash 
and the

Auction, and to get their fix for the year then head  home.

Now, if you don't value being able to compare side by side 20  slices 
of the
same specimen to be able to examine and determine what is the BEST  one 
for

you, then you probably won't want to go to Tucson.

If you  don't like the idea of getting items at INCREDIBLE prices at 
the

auction, then  you won't want to bother showing up this year.

If you don't like  the idea of pitting one dealer against the other, to 
get
the best possible price  on a particular rock, Tucson is definitely is 
not for

you.

If you  don't like the idea of stumbling onto a foreign dealer, that 
doesn't
even speak  English, that mostly sells something else, but has a crate 
of
meteorites under  the table, that one of his buddies back home asked 
him to

bring
and sell for  him, and he doesn't even know what he has, or what they 
are
really worth, then  you should definitely stay home and leave those 
treasures

for
others to  find.

If the thought of sitting down with a seller that has had a few too  
many
Margaritas and is almost giving stuff away because he is in a great 
mood,  then

I
would have to agree that you had better save your airfare and not waste 
the

time making it out.

And by all means, if getting to know other  collectors on a personal 
basis,
who will tip you off as to whom to stay away  from (because they would 
NEVER
write in an email such advice that might be used  against them) OR they 
might
ask you if you want to go in with them to make a big  wholesale lot to 
share at
a great price, then I would have to suggest that you  go with your gut 
feeling

and stay home this year.

Besides, the  weather might not be so good this year anyway.  I hear it 
is
only going to  be 80 degrees, and the hot tub at the hotel doesn't 
really feel
so good unless  it cooler out.  And if you get a tan in the middle of 
winter,

all your  friends at home might be jealous of you.

If you don't like the idea of  getting the best $2 bottle of bootlegged 
wine
you will ever find...I didn't just  say that did I?  (Hey, Mike, save 
me a

case, ok?)

Yea, I think it  might be best if you just stay home and wait to buy 
what
everyone else is  reselling from the great deals they found at Tucson 
this year.


After all,  you can always go down to your local bar and buy a cheaper
Margarita, and go to  a $3 tanning bed, and read the posts here 

Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson show drive info

[wahlperry]

Hi Keith,

Thanks,

Sonny



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Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 7:15 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson show drive info






Hello List 
 

With Tucson show starting, here are a few things you need to know if 
your

driving here on I-10. 
 

All the downtown exit are closed on I-10 for construction, same as last
year, if your driving from the North on I-10, use exit 254 Prince Rd. 

Photo Radar Enforcement Van was set up around Eloy area on I-10 for the 
past
few days, there also all around Phoenix area, but they can be anywhere 
in

the State of Arizona, 

Construction on I-10 before Picacho exit 219 to exit 232 (pass Red 
rock),
Speed limit reduced to 55 in areas, many police are enforcing limit, 
fines

are double. 

The weather has been great so far, Drive safely and have a great show. 

Thanks for your time. 

Keith 

Chandler, Az. 
 

 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Caldwell, KS impact melt breccia AD, sort of

[wahlperry]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the great story and recovery work! Keep it up.

Sonny


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Hello List,

The Caldwell, Kansas Meteorite Story.

For 16  years or so, I have been chasing after the Caldwell, Kansas
meteorite.  The  1986 version of the BMNH Catalogue (my original 
treasure map)

listed
this meteorite as being found in 1961, being 12.9 kg TKW with only 
about 50

grams represented in all collections world wide.

This discrepancy in  weights made the treasure hunter in me say 
"Hu..."


My hunch was that  someone had found this meteorite and sent Nininger 
or Huss
a chip off it.   It probably was determined that it was indeed a 
meteorite,
but the finder, for  whatever reason, didn't want to sell it back then. 
This
scenario, while  very rare, did happen at least one other time that I 
know
about in the past  century.  Both Nininger and Huss were known for 
being
persistent at getting  specimens the located out of the field and into 
the lab.



In the  case of multiple finds from a strewnfield, the need wasn't as 
great
to  get ALL of them, but in the case of single specimen finds, there 
was a
logical case that could be made that science needed to study the new 
finds, and


thus, not many of those got away.

So for a couple of years, I tried to  find who had this rock.  I would 
ask
around the Caldwell area when my field  trips took me to that part of 
Kansas,

all with no luck.

One day I decided  to write to Margaret Huss (daughter of Nininger and 
widow
of Glen Huss) in  Colorado and I asked her what the old AML records 
might have
on the Caldwell  meteorite.  In her gracious and helpful way, she 
responded
by giving me the  name of the finder, Vernie Havorka.  Their records 
showed

that the AML did  get a piece of this meteorite, but that was all.

Some research on my part  showed that there was no longer any Havorkas 
in the
Caldwell area.  A  little more detective work and eventually I located 
the
original finder in  another city.  I paid a visit to Vernie's home and 
we struck


up a  great conversation and a friendship was formed.

He showed me his  meteorite, and told me about the find.  Nothing 
dramatic,
just that he had  hit it with the plow on his family farm outside of 
Caldwell.
He mentioned  that both Nininger and Huss had paid him a couple of 
visits
over the years, but  that he never really wanted to part with the rock. 


Although
he had given  one of the men a piece for testing and verification.

When I asked if he  would want to sell it now, he told me that it was 
in his
Will, designated to go  to his son upon his death, and that it wasn't 
for

sale.

Vernie was a  part time pastor of a small country church and he had 
taken
quite a few  missionary trips over seas.  He was full of stories of 
exciting
trips to  exotic places.  We would talk, sometimes for hours about far 
away
places.  One trip I remember him talking about was going to the 
U.S.S.R.  before


their break up.  It was an interesting story, one that I used as a  
spring board


to think about what it would be like to go to Russia and travel to  the
Sikhote Alin site on a "missionary" trip of my own to "save" some of 
those  lost


rocks.

Early on, I had mentioned to Alan Rubin at UCLA about finding  the 
Caldwell
finder, and Dr. Rubin asked if there was a way I could get him just  a 
little
piece of the rock for some more detailed testing.  So, the next  time I 
was in

Kansas, I popped in on Vernie, and made the request, and he  obliged by
letting me take off a small piece around 20 grams.

I got the  fragment to UCLA and they were able to determine that the 
rock was
indeed an  L-impact melt breccia.  The portion he got from me was of 
the

impact  portion, so a more detailed classification wasn't forthcoming.

While I  took Vernie at his word, that he didn't want to sell his 
specimen
that he  treasured, over the years I would still pop in on him.  I 
remember
showing  him, in his driveway, the 280 pound "Rediscovery Stone" I 
found at
Brenham in  2005, that was just a few days before I ended up finding 
the Brenham


Main Mass.  That was one of several finds I had showed him over the 
years  when
I had a good excuse to stop in to see him again.  We would talk about  
various
things and I would eventually get around to half heartedly asking if he 
was

sure he didn't want to sell his rock yet?

The answer was always the same.

This last fall, I was passing near  Vernie's home on the way out to 
shoot the
Discovery TV meteorite segment at  Brenham, when strangely there wasn't 
an
answer at his door.  I left him a  note saying "hi" on my business card 
and I
went on.   Several  weeks later I received a phone call from Vernie's 
son
informing me that Vernie  had passed away very near the time I last 
stopped by

an

Re: [meteorite-list] Obama List ... or...meteoritelist.

[wahlperry]

Hi Steve,
But I would really like to know more about that fireball that was 

spotted here
in AZ

I think the fireball was actually fireworks celebrating Bush leaving 
office!


Sonny

-Original Message-
From: Steve Schoner 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 7:33 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] Obama List ... or...meteoritelist.



What is this, a bash Bush, praise Obama list?

But I will keep track of you Obama supporters and when six months to a 
year
later, be sure to remind you of your praise for the least qualified 
President in
the most critical and perhaps the worst time in our history as a 
nation. Time

will tell how well he stacks up to what everyone seems to expect of him.

But for now, lets get back to meteorites.

And--

I find the Aziz-Farmer debate rather amusing.

But I would really like to know more about that fireball that was 
spotted here
in AZ. At around 4:30 PM on the 19th, I was on my roof shoveling snow 
off the

flat part. I heard a very weird noise seeming to come from the south. A
series of sharp cracks, like busting wood. Difficult to describe the 
sound.
It was overcast, and I turned to look in the south direction, but 
thought that
it might have been something related to the railroad. I thought nothing 
of it

till I heard of this sighting.

Now I wonder.

Has any other reports come in on this explosive bolide.

Steve
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[meteorite-list] Sale Ad Glorietta Meteorite with hole

[wahlperry]

Hi List

A friend of mine would like to sell a 404 gram Glorietta siderite with 
a hole through the center . He is asking $2500.00

Email off list for pictures.

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over

[wahlperry]

Hi Mike and List,

What a great day it is. A president that is for us, not for himself!

Sonny


-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer 
To: GREG LINDH 
Cc: meteorite-list 
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 4:19 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over



I have 80% of this country, and more like 99% of the world on my side 
on this
one. I did'nt bring it up, but today is the best day I have had in 8 
years. I

will sleep well tonight.
Barak Obama is our president, if you are not supporting him, you are a
terrorist! That was the Bush/Cheney/GOP mantra for the last 8 years, so 
what is

good for the goose, if good for the gander, right?
My last comment on this subject I hope.
Michael Farmer

--- On Tue, 1/20/09, GREG LINDH  wrote:


From: GREG LINDH 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare is over
To: meteorite...@yahoo.com
Cc: "meteorite-list" 
Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 5:16 PM
Michael,

You'd do well to stick to meteorites. Whenever you
wonder away from that
subject you just appear foolish.

Greg Lindh




- Original Message -
From: "Michael Farmer"

To: ; ;
"Pete Pete"

mail.com>

Cc: "meteoritelist meteoritelist"

Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the nightmare
is over


OK, so Bush did everything in his power to suppress
science, so it applies.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Michael Farmer


--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Pete Pete 
wrote:

> From: Pete Pete 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the
nightmare is over
> To: gee...@msn.com, bencub...@hotmail.com
> Cc: "meteoritelist meteoritelist"

> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 5:01 PM
> Thank you, Greg!
>
> I second your post.
> List - please stay focused! This is a SCIENCE
discussion
> site.
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> 
> > From: gee...@msn.com
> > To: bencub...@hotmail.com
> > Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:39:46 -0700
> > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the
> nightmare is over
> >
> >
> > Howard,
> >
> > I keep reading about how this list is supposed to
be
> just "all about
> > meteorites", then someone like you prints
> something hateful and strictly
> > political and almost no one says a word. I've
> never been=2

0partial to

> > hypocrisy, so every time I see an email that has
> *nothing* to do with
> > meteorites and everything to do with hate, I call
the
> individual on it.
> > Tell me, Howard, what did your email have to do
with
> the subject of this
> > list...namely meteorites?
> > Perhaps it would be OK if once a week or so I
were to
> bring up things of a
> > political nature that I'd like to air out.
Would
> you like that? Is that OK
> > with the rest of the list?
> >
> > Greg Lindh
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Howard Steffic"
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Good By Bush - the
> nightmare is over
> >
> >
> >
> > I thought the day would never come. May the Haag
> indict him and BIG DICK
> > cheney for war crimes.
> >
> > Howard Steffic
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: majbaerm...@web.de
> >> To: dar...@dof3.com; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
> >> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 22:02:36 +0100
> >> CC: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Barack Obama -
44th
> President of the
> >> UnitedStates of America
> >>
> >> What a wonderful and spontaneous report,
Darryl,
> thank you

!

> >>
> >> I've been watching the ceremony only on
TV,
> but I received a similar
> >> impression - moving.
> >>
> >> Of course reality will set back in - but this
> experience is real too.
> >>
> >> Perhaps the series of observed fireballs
during
> the last days and nights
> >> only happened to arrange a nice firework to
honor
> the 44th President of
> >> the
> >> USA ;-)
> >>
> >> So just keep on smiling.
> >>
> >> My best,
> >>
> >> Matthias Baermann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Darryl Pitt"
> >> To:
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Barack Obama -
44th
> President of the
> >> UnitedStates of America
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Bernd and List,
> >>>
> >>> I wasn't going to comment on this,
but,
> just returned from the inaugural.
> >>>
> >>> It was cold. And it was breathtaking
being
> part of this mass of
> >>> humanity.
> >>>
> >>> My day job is managing the careers of
> musicians---primarily black jazz
> >>> musicians, two of whom performed at an
> inaugural event last night. And
> >>> what has struck me so profoundly in
Washington
> the last few days=2

0is how

> >>> total strangers, regardless of race,
creed or
> color---are so unusually
> >>> friendly with one another. It felt like I
was
> peering into an
> >>> alternative reality. When I mentioned
this to
> a black friend, she
> >>> mentioned she noticed the same and said
> something rather striking: "It's
> >>> as everyone here is re

[meteorite-list] Thanks for the meteorite list !

[wahlperry]

Hi All,

I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on the Meteorite list for 2008. 
I don't know about you guys but my day usually starts out by letting 
the dog out ,making my morning cup of coffee and reading the Met list. 
Special thanks to all the meteorite hunters ,enthusiasts, and everyone 
else across the world that made this list possible! I wonder where the 
new falls will be and what new finds will be made in 2009?


Sonny
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[meteorite-list] oops sorry sale ad not add!

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[meteorite-list] Lunar Dry Lake Nevada meteorites. Sale Add

[wahlperry]

Hi List ,

I have two meteorites that were recovered on Lunar Dry Lake Nevada by a 
friend last summer.  # 1 - 26 gram fragment.  # 2 - 41 gram fragment . 
Both meteorites appear to be paired to the original find of an L-5. 
Contact off list for price and pictures.


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[meteorite-list] Picture of new Canadian meteorite / Interior

[wahlperry]

Hi,

I have posted a couple of pictures of the interior of the new Canadian 
meteorite . I have the original photo that is in a very large format. 
If any Universities would like the larger format contact me off list 
and I will send it to you. The photo on my web page has been reduced 
significantly.


Thanks,
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