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Building READMEs
How much of OpenBSD's infrastructure is needed for building ports' READMEs? I'd like to build them on another box that is running linux - any pointers on what i need to have, besides the ports tree itself? Because that by itself is not enough... Thanks in advance viq -- Startuj z INTERIA.PL! http://link.interia.pl/f186c
pf and two ISPs
Hello. Actually, I'm using FreeBSD but to my understanding pf came from OpenBSD so I'm reporting my bug here. The problem is that block return rules do not send packets using the same interface the packet originally came from but use normal kernel routng to send the RST packet. Nor there is ability to route these packets manually by some additional pf rules. We have two ISPs - one on fxp0 (1.1.1.1) second on fxp1 (2.2.2.2). First ISP's router is our default gateway. As result when packet comes from the second ISP and gets blocked, TCP RST packet goes to the first ISP router. And ISP router discards the packet because neither source nor destination address is within the provider network (provider considers it a spoofing). As result, return-rst just do not work at all. I believe there should be an option to return RST/icmp packets using the same interface original packet came from. Regards, Dmitry Andrianov
OpenBSD on HP nx6110 notebook
Hello. Has anybody successful install OpenBSD on HP Compaq nx6110 notebook, so most devices work correctly? Any information about notebooks on Intel 915GM chipset and Centrino technology will be appreciated as well. Best regards. -- Gleb Paharenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenBSD on HP nx6110 notebook
Hello, I'm not sure about the notebook, but most intel wifi cards are supported by the iwi driver. Note that you must retrieve the firmware, as intel will not allow re-distribution of it. Edd On 7/5/2005, Gleb Paharenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Has anybody successful install OpenBSD on HP Compaq nx6110 notebook, so most devices work correctly? Any information about notebooks on Intel 915GM chipset and Centrino technology will be appreciated as well. Best regards. -- Gleb Paharenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net
Re: Building READMEs
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 09:09:01AM +0200, viq wrote: How much of OpenBSD's infrastructure is needed for building ports' READMEs? I'd like to build them on another box that is running linux - any pointers on what i need to have, besides the ports tree itself? Because that by itself is not enough... Thanks in advance viq Don't bother, it's really hard to do.
Re: Building READMEs
--On 05 July 2005 09:09 +0200, viq wrote: How much of OpenBSD's infrastructure is needed for building ports' READMEs? I'd like to build them on another box that is running linux - any pointers on what i need to have, besides the ports tree itself? vmware?
OT: hardware question
Hi all, Somebody has experienced some problems with IBM xSeries 336 under OpenBSD (3.6 or 3.7)?? I have to use this models to do a new installation. I will use SCSI controller disk instead of SATA option that offers IBM. Thank you very much. -- C.L. Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ami0: timeout with LSI SATA 150-4 Controller
On 7/5/05, Martmn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to configure an OpenBSD 3.7 box with a LSI SATA 150-4 RAID Card, but I'm having problems with timeout errors. snip Jul 4 21:31:54 backup /bsd: ami0: timeout ccb 119 Not to deny you're having problems, but according to the CVS logs [1], the issue of ami(4) generating ccb timeouts got fixed before 3.7 was released. Since that moment, however, many revisions have taken place on ami(4), so you may want to try a snapshot to see if the problem persists. Sorry to not be of more help, Rogier References: 1. OpenBSD CVS log 2004/12/25 17:11:24 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-cvsm=110401998504737w=2 -- If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.
Re: sleep patterns...
hahaha. in one of my sleep deprived moments a couple years ago.. i was messing with kernel compiles and such, when i mistakenly did... rm -rf /etc instead of rm -rf etc of course i immediately realized this and hit ctrl + c needless to say, the box was unimportant (THANK GOD) and this was back when 3.1 just got released. either way, the box ran for about a month after that without any problems. then one day i wanted to add a user and found i couldn't. ah, the stupidity of working sleep deprived for days =/ On 7/4/05, viq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 04 of July 2005 21:25, Todd C. Miller wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] so spake unixadmin99 (unixadmin99): Accidently emptied half the contents of src.tar.gz into /usr/bin while undergoing an install under the intoxication of sleep. Be glad you didn't do this in /usr (as I have done). Things get downright unhappy when /usr/libexec/ld.so is a directory ;-) that's what i managed to do - couldn't even log in or shut down system properly :( that's where upgrade helped ;) - todd viq -- Na randke, na randke, na randke... http://link.interia.pl/f189c
Re: pf and two ISPs
From: Dmitry Andrianov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I'm using FreeBSD but to my understanding pf came from OpenBSD so I'm reporting my bug here. The problem is that block return rules do not send packets using the same interface the packet originally came from but use normal kernel routng to send the RST packet. Nor there is ability to route these packets manually by some additional pf rules. pf.conf(5): reply-to? DS
Re: sleep patterns...
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 02:22:13PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: Dragonfly have 'rm -I' (ask for confirmation if deleting 3 files or -r) which works very well. Used routinely (e.g. in an alias in login shells), I think it gives better protection than 'rm -i' since the prompt is rare enough you don't train yourself to confirm automatically. You can apply the following old patch to do it in OpenBSD. http://42-networks.com/obsd_patches/rm_I.patch
Re: pf and two ISPs
Hello. reply-to does not work for block rule. Looks like I'm not alone with the same problem: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-pf/2005-March/000919.html Regards, Dmitry Andrianov -Original Message- From: Spruell, Darren-Perot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:52 PM To: Dmitry Andrianov; misc@openbsd.org Subject: RE: pf and two ISPs From: Dmitry Andrianov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, I'm using FreeBSD but to my understanding pf came from OpenBSD so I'm reporting my bug here. The problem is that block return rules do not send packets using the same interface the packet originally came from but use normal kernel routng to send the RST packet. Nor there is ability to route these packets manually by some additional pf rules. pf.conf(5): reply-to? DS
Re: Gnu Assembler on Openbsd 3.7 Operation not permitted
Ted Hanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] len =3D . - msg [...] see the =3D? maybe there is some character which shouldn't be there. try typing the whole program into a new file. cu JRL PS: the code works for me.. -- If you don't remember something, it never existed... If you aren't remembered, you never existed... I don't quite understand what love is like... But if there was someone who liked me, I'd be happy.
Re: Gnu Assembler on Openbsd 3.7 Operation not permitted
julian, can you please post how you do it on GAS? the work around I've got is from nasm.. i tried to look into the len=3D .-msg you pointed out .. same result though.. thanks, dee On 7/5/05, Julian Leyh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Hanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] len =3D . - msg [...] see the =3D? maybe there is some character which shouldn't be there. try typing the whole program into a new file. cu JRL PS: the code works for me.. -- If you don't remember something, it never existed... If you aren't remembered, you never existed... I don't quite understand what love is like... But if there was someone who liked me, I'd be happy.
Re: Building READMEs
On Tuesday 05 of July 2005 12:08, Marc Espie wrote: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 09:09:01AM +0200, viq wrote: How much of OpenBSD's infrastructure is needed for building ports' READMEs? I'd like to build them on another box that is running linux - any pointers on what i need to have, besides the ports tree itself? Because that by itself is not enough... Thanks in advance viq Don't bother, it's really hard to do. Meh. The problem is, it's a 188 MHz box, so it takes about 8 hours to do so. Which i guess i can live with, but there is something i can't really live with - some time ago it started rebooting in the process. I suspect overheating, as the summer is coming, and i'm building the readmes right now (it's a rather warm day), so i should see whether that is a problem, or something else is/was. VMWare... I trade 8 hours and possible reboot for no reboot and 13 hours ;P So i was hoping for a way to do it on linux, but if you say it's much more effort than it's worth... Though i'm still somewhat tempted to give it a go. viq -- Na randke, na randke, na randke... http://link.interia.pl/f189c
Re: Please help: DHCP over IPSec
From: Bruno S. Delbono [EMAIL PROTECTED] IKE-mode is good but can be buggy with some clients. The best Windows clients for a pure IPSec connection are: a) Safenet (OEM) SoftRemote version 10.x (versions 9.x do not support AES). * Danke Harondel! *. Safenet supports PSK and X509 certs. It has very good support and stability and I believe is the best of the bunch. SoftRemote can be purchased rather cheaply (~$40 US) under the name NetGear ProSafe VPN Client. -Kurt
Re: iwi driver timeout
Lone Ronin wrote: I have a Thinkpad X40 and notice the same thing. I've temporarily resolved the problem by editing my crontab to do an ifconfig iwi0 up every minute, because - for some reason - up'ing the iwi0 interface fixes the problem. This is obviously not the best solution, but I haven't had time to dig around and figure out what is actually going wrong with the card. YMMV, of course. | John S. Flowers www.kozoru.com jsf-at-kozoru.com | Founder Chairman; kozoru ( Search Like You Think. ) | Private: www.loneronin.net ronin-at-well-dot-com Edd Barrett wrote: Hi, (This is the second time I've sent this, it appeared to get lost. Apologies if it turns up again) I have a thinkpad r50e with an intel wifi card. I frequently get iwi0: device timeout. The card does not work after this message has been displayed. You can re-initialize it (/etc/netstart) and sometimes it will start working again. Any ideas why this is? It doesnt stop me working, its just a pain. dmesg attached. (No, not GENERIC... RaidFrame) Thanks -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net Hi, I have emailed the author of the driver reguarding this. If I am enlightened by him, then I shall post back here and let you know. Edd
panic in 3.7 part II
This is the complete output of the panic with the trace and ps. I had to send it untill today because it broke again in this morning. Regards and thanks. ~panic: pool_get(mclpl): free list modified: magic=deaf; page 0xd3b38000; item addr 0xd3b38000 Sropped at Debuger+0x4: leave RUN AT LEAST 'trace' AND 'ps' AND INCLUDE OUTPUT WHEN REPORTING THIS PANIC! DO NOT EVEN BOTHER REPORTING THIS WITHOUT INCLUDING THAT INFORMATION! ddb trace Debugger(d05704e0,d05b7c40,d3b32400,d3b30800,d05b7d20) at Debugger+0x4 panic(d04de400,d04e0369,deaf,d3b3,d3b30800) at panic+0x63 pool_get(d05b7d20, 0,30, d3b32400,e)at pool_get+0x315 xl_newbuf(d0948800,d0948c58,d3b32400,d06d3e2c) at xl_newbuf+0xa5 xl_rxeof(d0948800,0,ad38,38ad1d,1)at xl_rxeof+0x1c6 xl_inrt(d0948800) at xl_intr+0x12b Xrecurse_legacy11() at Xrecurse_legacy11+0x8a - - -interrupt - - - idle_loop(d0650058,10,0,0,8000) at idle_loop+0x21 bpendtsleep(d05b2300,4,d04f59f1,0,0,d02fd6e4,8,202)at bpendtsleep uvm_scheduler(d05b22f8,3,0,d04afcec,7ec) at uvm_scheduler+0x6b check_console(0,0,0,0,0) at check_console ddb ps PID PPIDPGRPUID S FLAGS WAITCOMMAND 4493261744930 3 0x4086 ttyin ksh 81371 81370 3 0x4086 ttyin getty 17041 17040 3 0x4086 ttyin getty 16099 1 16099 0 3 0x4086 ttyin getty 78351 78350 3 0x4086 ttyin getty 26171 26170 3 0x4086 pause csh 92361 92360 3 0x84 select cron 15310 1 15310 0 3 0x40184 select sendmail 14715 1 14715 0 3 0x84 select sshd 12116 1 12116 0 3 0x184 select inetd 26226 1575157573 3 0x184 pollsyssloge 15751 15750 3 0x84 netio syslogd 11 0 0 0 3 0x100204 crypto_wa crypto 10 0 0 0 3 0x100204 aiodonedaiodoned 9 0 0 0 3 0x100204 syncer update 8 0 0 0 3 0x100204 cleaner cleaner 7 0 0 0 3 0x100204 reaper reaper 6 0 0 0 3 0x100204 pgdaemonpagedaemon 5 0 0 0 3 0x100204 usbtsk usbtask 4 0 0 0 3 0x100204 usbevt usb0 3 0 0 0 3 0x100204 apmev apm0 2 0 0 0 3 0x100204 kmalloc kmthread 1 0 0 0 3 0x100204 waitinit 0 1 0 0 3 0x100204 scheduler swapper __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam !gratis! Regmstrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/
Re: Building READMEs
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 06:49:40PM +0200, viq wrote: something else is/was. VMWare... I trade 8 hours and possible reboot for no reboot and 13 hours ;P So i was hoping for a way to do it on linux, but if you say it's much more effort than it's worth... Though i'm still somewhat tempted to give it a go. Someone mentioned VMWare. It's not a bad idea. You could export the filesystem read/write via NFS, mount it in the virtual machine running OpenBSD (bochs and qemu are free alternatives to vmware), and make the readmes there. Granted, harddisks generate plenty of heat, if that's your problem. You could do it all in the virtual machine, tar them up, and drop them in place on the 188 MHz machine if you need to avoid running the HD so much. -- Adam Fabian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building READMEs
On Tuesday 05 of July 2005 19:18, Adam Fabian wrote: On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 06:49:40PM +0200, viq wrote: something else is/was. VMWare... I trade 8 hours and possible reboot for no reboot and 13 hours ;P So i was hoping for a way to do it on linux, but if you say it's much more effort than it's worth... Though i'm still somewhat tempted to give it a go. Someone mentioned VMWare. It's not a bad idea. You could export the filesystem read/write via NFS, mount it in the virtual machine running OpenBSD (bochs and qemu are free alternatives to vmware), and make the readmes there. Granted, harddisks generate plenty of heat, if that's your problem. You could do it all in the virtual machine, tar them up, and drop them in place on the 188 MHz machine if you need to avoid running the HD so much. hmm, yes, remote filesystem is an idea. I did try running it in VMWare, but i am trying to find how to do it without resorting to virtual machines as the performance loss is terrible (8 hours 'natively' on 188 MHz, 13 hours in vmware on 672 MHz). As for whether it was the heat... I have no clue, that was my assumption, as it started happening as the winter was leaving, and i couldn't find any other explanation - not that i really knew where to look... But right now it's building already for 3 hours, and it's a rather warm day - so i don't know, that kind of undermines my heat theory. Maybe some software problem? I have no clue... Well, there's 5 more hours to go, i'll see whether it'll finish. But it still would be nice to be able to get readme's in less than 1/3rd of the day ;) As for taring the readmes up, there's even a neat script for that - /usr/ports/infrastructure/build/bundle-readmes :) -- Na randke, na randke, na randke... http://link.interia.pl/f189c
3.7 - in kernel pppoe
I am wondering if there is anyone using this that can tell me if there is a way to have 'lqr' supported -or- some other way of knowing if/when the link goes down? Last time I tried this - it worked fine, but if the link went down it never 'redialed' back to the PPPoE provider Using userland pppoe - this is never an issue. thanks! -- J.D. Bronson Information Services Telecommunications Site Support Aurora Health Care - Milwaukee, Wisconsin Office: 414.978.8282 // Fax: 414.328.8787
Re: 3.7 - in kernel pppoe
At 02:57 PM 7/5/2005, you wrote: On 7/5/05, J.D. Bronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering if there is anyone using this that can tell me if there is a way to have 'lqr' supported -or- some other way of knowing if/when the link goes down? Last time I tried this - it worked fine, but if the link went down it never 'redialed' back to the PPPoE provider Using userland pppoe - this is never an issue. thanks! I heard about ten times it was fixed in -current. Stop asking it dammit. Now there's a decent reply. Lets see...this was my FIRST real in-kernel questionI dont seem to recall asking this before. Alot of us CAN'T follow -current. I can't...Thats why i asked about 3.7. Now, can someone out there (that uses 3.7-stable) with more than a peanut for a brain possibly help me? I thought I asked nicely and it was a legit question. Perhaps someone on the list is using this and knows. Otherwise, I can continue to use 3.7 with userland pppoe just fine. Jeff
Blocked Message
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Re: Flash Plugin for Firefox
Is there any way to make it work in Firefox? I seem to recall there was a working method for Firefox+Flash but I can't seem to remember/locate it. The port in graphics mentions a plugin but it does not seem to get built. --- David Cathcart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you for some reason need a working flash player in a browser, use opera and macromedia's Linux flash plug-in. get these packages from your neighborhood mirror redhat_base* redhat_motif* next install ports/www/opera (no package) (this will build redhat_base itself but it has to source loads of shit from everywhere and getting the package is quicker, also it won't install motif which you need for flash) Download Flash player 7 for mozilla 1.2 linux x86 from http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ Untar and copy the .so and .xft to /usr/local/lib/opera/plugins (don't untar in /usr/local/lib/opera this makes opera segfault) Flash should work in opera now, go to about:plugins to be sure. Also when you first run opera it will ask if you want random graphical ads or targeted text ads. I'd pick random graphical, don't particularly like the URLs of what page I'm viewing being sent to google all the time. David On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:08:43PM -0600, Jim Beard wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction to get flash working with firefox? I notice there is a nsplugin.so in ports/graphics/flash. Would this work for firefox or would it work with netscape? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Flash Plugin for Firefox
Is there any way to make it work in Firefox? I seem to recall there was a working method for Firefox+Flash but I can't seem to remember/locate it. The port in graphics mentions a plugin but it does not seem to get built. I think if you used Opera for 5 days you'd find it better in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE than Firefox... My 2 cents. I find page loads to be much faster, and nav is 10x faster with gestures and keyboard shortcuts. Approach it with an open mind, not Firefox is the unstoppable browser attitude, and as always YMMV JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Cathcart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you for some reason need a working flash player in a browser, use opera and macromedia's Linux flash plug-in. get these packages from your neighborhood mirror redhat_base* redhat_motif* next install ports/www/opera (no package) (this will build redhat_base itself but it has to source loads of shit from everywhere and getting the package is quicker, also it won't install motif which you need for flash) Download Flash player 7 for mozilla 1.2 linux x86 from http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ Untar and copy the .so and .xft to /usr/local/lib/opera/plugins (don't untar in /usr/local/lib/opera this makes opera segfault) Flash should work in opera now, go to about:plugins to be sure. Also when you first run opera it will ask if you want random graphical ads or targeted text ads. I'd pick random graphical, don't particularly like the URLs of what page I'm viewing being sent to google all the time. David On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:08:43PM -0600, Jim Beard wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction to get flash working with firefox? I notice there is a nsplugin.so in ports/graphics/flash. Would this work for firefox or would it work with netscape? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Dual monitor for openbsd box
Gustavo Rios wrote: Dear folks, my system desktop have a nvidia quadro nvs 280 dual head video board. I would like to be able to have two users logged at the same time using the system independently on each other, i.e., i have two monitor, two keyboard and two mice. Have any one already dreamed such configuration so far? It that possible? thanks for your suggestions. It is. But it doesn't make sense. Read the xorg manpages.
Re: Flash Plugin for Firefox
Yea, I can use Opera as well, but I also want to figure out why the plugin doesn't compile with the flash port and/or another method for getting flash up in firefox. --- JR Dalrymple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to make it work in Firefox? I seem to recall there was a working method for Firefox+Flash but I can't seem to remember/locate it. The port in graphics mentions a plugin but it does not seem to get built. I think if you used Opera for 5 days you'd find it better in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE than Firefox... My 2 cents. I find page loads to be much faster, and nav is 10x faster with gestures and keyboard shortcuts. Approach it with an open mind, not Firefox is the unstoppable browser attitude, and as always YMMV JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- David Cathcart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you for some reason need a working flash player in a browser, use opera and macromedia's Linux flash plug-in. get these packages from your neighborhood mirror redhat_base* redhat_motif* next install ports/www/opera (no package) (this will build redhat_base itself but it has to source loads of shit from everywhere and getting the package is quicker, also it won't install motif which you need for flash) Download Flash player 7 for mozilla 1.2 linux x86 from http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ Untar and copy the .so and .xft to /usr/local/lib/opera/plugins (don't untar in /usr/local/lib/opera this makes opera segfault) Flash should work in opera now, go to about:plugins to be sure. Also when you first run opera it will ask if you want random graphical ads or targeted text ads. I'd pick random graphical, don't particularly like the URLs of what page I'm viewing being sent to google all the time. David On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:08:43PM -0600, Jim Beard wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction to get flash working with firefox? I notice there is a nsplugin.so in ports/graphics/flash. Would this work for firefox or would it work with netscape? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Hidden restore space on laptop drives
You also might want to look into if the parition (or possibly another one used for the boot-menu + tools) is hidden using HPA. My understanding of this is that the drive and controller conspire to misreport the size of the disc in terms of sectors so even the OpenBSD disc tools don't see the whole disc. To get all of the space on my X31s drive I had to use a HPA remover tool. You might find one on Google or failing that I can email you the one I used. At least on my laptop scrubbing the HPA partition didn't do me any harm. The boot options are still available, just in a less graphical form. Duncan
Re: Testing 3.6 problems w/ snapshot
On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 10:15:07AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [ 2+ month TTL due in part to combing through the archives for reports of umass problems with recent snapshots brought this to mind, and I realized I didn't reply back then. Please forgive the severe latency. :)] On a related subject, it's painful waiting 20 minutes for the RAID 1 array 20 minutes? Is that all? :) Waiting for parity to rebuild the last time my RAID5 array (4x160GB IDE 5400RPM disks on a PCI IDE controller; very ghetto) took ~14 hours. *sigh* to rebuild parity after a crash - I vaguely recall it being mentioned last year, but I can't find it in the archives or any mention in the man pages - is there a sane way to postpone the parity check? This is what I did - as memory serves, it works, but I haven't tested it on my live system. Not sure how sane this is (I wanted parity to rebuild, in background, on a filesystem that's _not_ automounted, while the rest of the boot process continues and the system comes up): --- /etc/rc Wed May 18 16:54:07 2005 +++ /etc/rc.raidfix Tue Jul 5 23:13:08 2005 @@ -77,8 +77,10 @@ fi done -# Check parity on raid devices. -raidctl -P all +# Check parity on raid devices (but do it in background, so if it needs to +# rebuild, it can do so while the rest of the system comes up. Our RAID fs is +# not automounted at boot, so this should not present a problem). +raidctl -P all swapctl -A -t blk If this is a Really Bad Idea, I'd appreciate a heads-up to that effect. re-lurking, -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 Less and less is done until non-action is achieved when nothing is done, nothing is left undone. -- the Tao of Sysadmin [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
