Re: Something hosing my msdos/FAT32 file system
On 11/27/05, Alexander Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if this could cause a lot of other errors, like corrupted files and such. I am thinking about if I dare to mount and use msdos filesystems r/w again... But then again, if noone dares to do it, we'll never know if it works as it is supposed to, so maybe it's better to just backup regularly and go for it! :-) it shouldn't. you might get files landing in the wrong directory (i'm not really sure this is possible either, but it's probably the worst that could happen), but there shouldn't be any real disk corruption.
Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO
In all these: I'm going to take this thread for what I think it is... the old guard telling us youngin's that our efforts are appreciated, but we've got a bit more to learn about how things work, and how to write good documentation, before we're really ready to jump into these things the way we have been lately. I've noticed a decent drop in the number of How do I get PPPoE working and How do I get Apache+MySQL+PHP working questions on the list, which is what prompted Daniel to create openbsdsupport in the first place, so in a way, we've been successful in what we set out to do. I may seem overly critical in debate but I still believe the work of Daniel Ouellet and the HOWTO writers has been a worthwhile experiment. Though it has opened the door for the blind leading blind, only by experimenting with new ideas will one be able to prove or disprove their validity and in the process, you might learn something unexpected. or quote Are you subscribed to newbies? We don't do the bullshit like the HOWTOs or openbsdsupport.org. We teach you how to help yourself. The answers come with learning, so you can be a better admin. There is many sad facts and true factors from both sides. Users have to and should look for informations and the proper way of doing things. Hopefully the fact that they decide to switch their OS to OpenBSD may open the light a bit and may have become a bit more critical to security anyway, so one would think they wouldn't jump on the first document they find and just do cut and paste. But the fact of life is also that you can be sure some will for sure just do that! Other may read some documents and see something in it that haven't seen before and pick their curiously to go look why that is and actually improve their learning. Not the majority I agree! So, nothing is perfect and never will be! Is it better to provide some help to some users to get them started, or does it hurt them for not forcing them to dig in vain to fine something they would get easier. Will the results favor the laziness, or the curiosity! I wish I knew that answer! Who are lazy, most likely will stay that way. Some that are incline to change, may well see it as useful and change, who are doing their homework will take it for what it is, an other source of information and grab anything, or nothing they see fit from it, and finally who ever know it all, will see it as a waist and not look at it, why should they anyway! So, where you fit, will dictate your point of view on the subject I guess. Does it mean it shouldn't exists as a side track? I still don't know for sure yet... But, I think the best way might be to provide the informations in a cons ice matter WITH reference (URL) to more details and ALWAYS warn the users NOT to do simply cut and paste as this hurt them for sure, but to seek the understanding of what is suggested in the documents. Not the stage of things now of almost all side documents at this time and may well be never either. But who never start walking will never be running either! So, it's like, providing knobs to a monkey and he will turn them, that's why OpenBSD doesn't have knobs like many other OS, or very few knobs anyway! Generic default is best, so how to provide more informations and make it easier for users that are not use to do their research and help them use a better system and at the same time try to trigger them to learn it without aliening them! I wish I knew the solution for that! But, I do believe this however, if a brain dead user switch from a less secure OS ( take your pick of OS here ) and comes to OpenBSD for security, documentations, curiosity, stability, what ever else, and stop using the less secure OS, what ever that might be, and in the process use what some would call bullshit and stupid brain dead HOWTOs for monkeys, and never learn more about it, and in the process, may even hurt it's own setup and making it less secure in the process by using the brain dead HOWTOs, wouldn't the system in the end still be more secure then the same setup in any other OS? Don't forget the common factor here. Brain dead setup to start with, so very likely to be miss configure in the first place and joint many other less secure system on the Internet and continue to pollute it. I guess that's really the questions isn't it? Sadly there will always be brain dead users that cut and paste without thinking, or knowing, or even wanted to know or learn, what ever you want to describe it, in the end the resulting system in use by the same brain dead users is still more secure then an other system setup in the same matter by the same brain dead users, so the facts remain that in a small matter, the Internet at large become a bit safer for all of us! Isn't it all what we wish it to be!? With all aspect been equal and you can't change the world, or some brain dead users, they will setup servers no matter what and infect the
Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:58:04 +0100, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, on Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 09:34:39AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said that Yes, OpenBSD is the _only_ operating system that takes security as seriously as it should be taken. Consider the why of OpenBSD's this is a silly argument. of course it is not the only system. don't think nobody else takes security seriously. maybe you will be surprised, but even companies like red hat take security seriously. they are just not that good at it. but don't think openbsd invented security. Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. -f Hi frantisek, It seems you misread Tonys' post, glanced over a few important words and lost the meaning; particularly these words: as seriously as it should be taken. Others may claim to take security seriously, and maybe they do in their own way, but when the goal is not reached, then you can conclude they have failed to take their goal seriously enough. JCR
Re: group ownership of /var/mail
On 11/27/05, J Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:16:27AM -0600, the unit calling itself Matthew Weigel wrote: snip You should probably look to http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=popa3d first. Yep - I looked at it first... but IIRC it doesn't support POP via SSL How about stunnel? Cheers, Rogier -- If you don't know where you're going, any road will get you there.
Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO
Daniel Ouellet wrote: In all these: I'm going to take this thread for what I think it is... the old guard telling us youngin's that our efforts are appreciated, but we've got a bit more to learn about how things work, and how to write good documentation, before we're really ready to jump into these things the way we have been lately. I've noticed a decent drop in the number of How do I get PPPoE working and How do I get Apache+MySQL+PHP working questions on the list, which is what prompted Daniel to create openbsdsupport in the first place, so in a way, we've been successful in what we set out to do. I may seem overly critical in debate but I still believe the work of Daniel Ouellet and the HOWTO writers has been a worthwhile experiment. Though it has opened the door for the blind leading blind, only by experimenting with new ideas will one be able to prove or disprove their validity and in the process, you might learn something unexpected. or quote Are you subscribed to newbies? We don't do the bullshit like the HOWTOs or openbsdsupport.org. We teach you how to help yourself. The answers come with learning, so you can be a better admin. There is many sad facts and true factors from both sides. Users have to and should look for informations and the proper way of doing things. Hopefully the fact that they decide to switch their OS to OpenBSD may open the light a bit and may have become a bit more critical to security anyway, so one would think they wouldn't jump on the first document they find and just do cut and paste. But the fact of life is also that you can be sure some will for sure just do that! Other may read some documents and see something in it that haven't seen before and pick their curiously to go look why that is and actually improve their learning. Not the majority I agree! So, nothing is perfect and never will be! Is it better to provide some help to some users to get them started, or does it hurt them for not forcing them to dig in vain to fine something they would get easier. Will the results favor the laziness, or the curiosity! I wish I knew that answer! Who are lazy, most likely will stay that way. Some that are incline to change, may well see it as useful and change, who are doing their homework will take it for what it is, an other source of information and grab anything, or nothing they see fit from it, and finally who ever know it all, will see it as a waist and not look at it, why should they anyway! So, where you fit, will dictate your point of view on the subject I guess. Does it mean it shouldn't exists as a side track? I still don't know for sure yet... But, I think the best way might be to provide the informations in a cons ice matter WITH reference (URL) to more details and ALWAYS warn the users NOT to do simply cut and paste as this hurt them for sure, but to seek the understanding of what is suggested in the documents. Not the stage of things now of almost all side documents at this time and may well be never either. But who never start walking will never be running either! So, it's like, providing knobs to a monkey and he will turn them, that's why OpenBSD doesn't have knobs like many other OS, or very few knobs anyway! Generic default is best, so how to provide more informations and make it easier for users that are not use to do their research and help them use a better system and at the same time try to trigger them to learn it without aliening them! I wish I knew the solution for that! But, I do believe this however, if a brain dead user switch from a less secure OS ( take your pick of OS here ) and comes to OpenBSD for security, documentations, curiosity, stability, what ever else, and stop using the less secure OS, what ever that might be, and in the process use what some would call bullshit and stupid brain dead HOWTOs for monkeys, and never learn more about it, and in the process, may even hurt it's own setup and making it less secure in the process by using the brain dead HOWTOs, wouldn't the system in the end still be more secure then the same setup in any other OS? Don't forget the common factor here. Brain dead setup to start with, so very likely to be miss configure in the first place and joint many other less secure system on the Internet and continue to pollute it. I guess that's really the questions isn't it? Sadly there will always be brain dead users that cut and paste without thinking, or knowing, or even wanted to know or learn, what ever you want to describe it, in the end the resulting system in use by the same brain dead users is still more secure then an other system setup in the same matter by the same brain dead users, so the facts remain that in a small matter, the Internet at large become a bit safer for all of us! Isn't it all what we wish it to be!? With all aspect been equal and you can't change the world, or some brain dead users, they
Re: bios support for console redirection to the serial port
Am Sonntag, 27. November 2005 00:47 schrieben Sie: Hi Kevin, I'm in the market for a *tower-type* server box (or m/b to put in a tower) on which to run OBSD and a very important criteria for me is this one. I'd also like at least two cpu sockets and more PCI slots than average but that's easy to find out before buying. After googling for hours, I'm finding that this (redirection of textual VGA output to the serial port) is a little-advertised characteristic in server boards and boxes. I'm using the (somewhat old) Tyan Tiger MP board which has a very nice console redirection, that also works with OpenBSD (handover to console redirection on the same port works). Regards, Stephan
Re: Newbie Q: freeBSD vs openBSD
Roger, Kevin List: I think...I'll take your advise. Seems that all OS users are addicted to their own and in Linux which I use...such a query as this is an invitation to a disro war. In my search of course your replies, the community at BSD is much more containedthough I do not say that there are not saneheads in Linux community...only that some are more fanatic...maybe they are the reason for Linux's higher popularity. Now, some quick question...which BSD flavour to try first...thrust is on easy to install learn for a newbie. Second, which would be more suited to a production web/mail server with djbdns, apache, php, perl postgreSQL and qmail MTA (all with respective web-GUI administration tools...if any), with most thrust on security minimal install issues. I admit here that all security is as good as the person implementing maintaining it...but nevertheless.. Third, which are the BSD projects for firewalling, WAN load- sharing/link-failover and some links...more for a newbie...though have downloaded the handbook will read it thoroughly before starting. Any links on BSD flavours user-groups? My thanks best regards. Sanjay.
Re: Newbie Q: freeBSD vs openBSD
On 15:57 Sun 27 Nov, Sanjay Arora wrote: Now, some quick question...which BSD flavour to try first...thrust is on easy to install learn for a newbie. Try FreeBSD first. Than the others... Second, which would be more suited to a production web/mail server with djbdns, apache, php, perl postgreSQL and qmail MTA (all with respective web-GUI administration tools...if any), with most thrust on security minimal install issues. OpenBSD.
Re: RELEASE BUG - ami0: timeout ccb 1
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 00:50:37 +, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fwiw, I didn't have any trouble with my cerc-ata on 3.8-release (now running a snap from a couple of weeks ago), it looks like Dell has BIOS and firmware newer than that on LSI's website, http://tinyurl.com/cpmjn, not sure if they can be flashed to an AMI card though. I downloaded both the Dell CERC 661 and 667 (current) firmware images and went poking around in them. A bytewise comparison between the Dell v661 and AMI v661 images shows they are significantly different, and the differences are still significant when synchronizing based known chunks (group matching per se). This fact is not really a show stopper because there are many possible reasons for the differences, and a lot of the differences seem to reside in the two boot time configuration applications. My grasp of 80960 (i960) assembler and op codes is not adequate to do anything realistic in the way of really analyzing the binaries in a reasonable length of time. None the less, I'm still half tempted to just go for it and see what happens. Cats and I have this problem with curiosity. ;-) Thanks for the info, JCR
Re: RELEASE BUG - ami0: timeout ccb 1
On 11/27/05, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - cut - My grasp of 80960 (i960) assembler and op codes is not adequate to do anything realistic in the way of really analyzing the binaries in a reasonable length of time. None the less, I'm still half tempted to just go for it and see what happens. Cats and I have this problem with curiosity. ;-) Let us know if you will be killed :)
Re: RELEASE BUG - ami0: timeout ccb 1
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:31:54 +0100, David Coppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/27/05, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - cut - My grasp of 80960 (i960) assembler and op codes is not adequate to do anything realistic in the way of really analyzing the binaries in a reasonable length of time. None the less, I'm still half tempted to just go for it and see what happens. Cats and I have this problem with curiosity. ;-) Let us know if you will be killed :) Unlike the cats, I have contingency plans; I've got another two i4 cards on order. The first thing I need to do is test patches for Marco. After we know things work correctly with normal hardware and firmware, then I can satisfy my curiosity and go mucking about with the firmware to see what happens. If you see a puff of blue smoke coming from my place, cross your fingers and hope that I still have a few more lives left. ;-) JCR
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:39:18PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:29:27AM +0100, Jonathan Glaschke said that The Web is against good design. You can see this by looking at the most people's choice of browser. Bad web browsers are the biggest problem in creating a good looking website. I now nobody using CSS who takes care of ie 4 or older. Nearly nobody is actually taking care of ie 5/5.5, too, but thats default in windows 2000. there are ways to get this (mostly) right. there are great pages which show perfectly in lynx/links and have maybe a couple of div's inside. css and xhtml does not exclude simplicity. one can make beautiful (eye pleasing) sites with using 4 div's (not nested too). that would be great, but thats an exception. also, one cannot stick to the old technologies all the time. the project is overall bold in scratching old stuff (telnetd, rlogin and friends). but with html, it's back in the 90's. telned is no longer in source. So you have to get tricky - ever seen the new freebsd website: div id=CONTENT div id=FRONTCONTAINER div id=FRONTMAIN div id=FRONTFEATURECONTAINER div id=FRONTFEATURELEFT div id=FRONTFEATURECONTENT so what if there are divs? should be tables or what? the new site looks just great in links/lynx btw. and it looks (quite) good in modern browsers _also_ so who is robbed of the precious info inside? Do you think thats good code? That's just overkill because of broken webbrowser. It's just pain in my eyes. What a lot of people forget is that having a good website means having content, not having a good design. yes, and what a lot of people forget is that having a good website means having nice layout too. so how about both? it's like saying a good book is only the good content. yeah, and try to read it if it's typeset in comic sans ms. that depends on how you look at it. Comic Sans MS looks good, a good readable font doesn't look good, but is usefull. That's exactly my problem with modern design. If you don't specify a font in a web page then the result is a good readable and well sized font. So, we are talking about a better, fresh and modern design using XHTML and CSS. We can't use XHTML 1.1 (which is the latest web standatrd) because most people's browser can't handle it, thats the first limitation where's your numbers? what's most people? most people on the web these days is some version of IE. i thought ie supports xhtml. XHTML 1.1 must be shipped as application/xhtml+xml. IE can't handle this and ask the user (or the idiot, as you signature says ;) where to save this file. That's not a real problem since you can use xhtml 1.0 but that shows how broken things are. And if we talk about a new design - why don't we talk about generating sites with a modern scripting language? That's only the next step, but, who wants that? Who needs that? Who wants to implement it? could be, doesn't have to be. certainly would save a lot time to the devs which could be used for something else. couldn't cvs it directly though (the content). If there is only one person who has problems to view the content because of a new and tricky design, than the new design was a step in the wrong direction. Thats my opinion. well, good look serving all the people. come on, you know that you can't please everyone, don't you? _that_ is precisely what openbsd is about. it never aimed pleasing _everyone_ Theo is man of principles, i have seen that proven many times. but the site is somehow a sad exception to his principles. it's just not a priority and i can live with that. PS: If we change now to a modern design, how long would is last until the first person thinks about a flash movie on the starting page? i wish people would not be such extremist on this list.. do not insult me with flash, earthling. -f -- user: a technical term used by computer pros. see idiot. I'm not against xhtml, but like easy things. Putting 100 divs in one file is no solution. Jonathan -- | /\ ASCII Ribbon | Jonathan Glaschke - Lorenz-Goertz-Stra_e 71, | \ / Campaign Against | 41238 Moenchengladbach, Germany; | XHTML In Mail | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | / \ And News | http://jonathan-glaschke.de/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 02:15:27PM +0100, Jonathan Glaschke said that XHTML 1.1 must be shipped as application/xhtml+xml. IE can't handle this and ask the user (or the idiot, as you signature says ;) where to save this file. That's not a real problem since you can use xhtml 1.0 but that shows how broken things are. snip I'm not against xhtml, but like easy things. Putting 100 divs in one file is no solution. just one more thing. i didn't say, it _should_ be xhtml/css. i said: make it validate, and a bit of css does not hurt. css can be used with 4.01 w/o problems. and making pages that have css but also set things for non-css browsers (background) is quite normal (at least until everybody catches up in year 3014). make it at least 1998 ;-) -f -- honk if you love peace and quiet.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote: your page is unreadable at 800x600 :) I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I decided for 1024x768. But I was talking about *code*. Offcourse that I would design OpenBSD site totaly different... It's about code philosophy, I can make complex layouts with few or no divs using advanced knowledge of CSS ;) -- http://coastaldisturbance.com/
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
On Nov 27, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Sime Ramov wrote: On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote: your page is unreadable at 800x600 :) I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I decided for 1024x768. But I was talking about *code*. Offcourse that I would design OpenBSD site totaly different... It's about code philosophy, I can make complex layouts with few or no divs using advanced knowledge of CSS ;) You're free to submit diffs for everything in www/ (http:// www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/www/). Make sure the layout is consistent and meets the goals (http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html) of the project. Thanks, -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
Sime Ramov hello at coastaldisturbance.com writes: I agree. Just look at the code of my site, now, OpenBSD needs exactly that! :) No, I'm not sarcastic, I'm serious, it would match OpenBSD perfectly. Can you people please shut the fuck up about the website. It's been stated numerous times before that it isn't going to be changed any time soon. I have a sneaking suspicion that the only people who keep raising this are i know what's best HTML programmers who have nothing interesting or worthwhile to contribute or discuss but feel the overwhelming need to nitpick, bitch and moan regardless. They write great C code (I beleive, heaven't looked yet) Suspicion confirmed.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
On 14:46 Sun 27 Nov, Simon Morgan wrote: time soon. I have a sneaking suspicion that the only people who keep raising this are i know what's best HTML programmers who have nothing interesting or worthwhile to contribute or discuss but feel the overwhelming need to nitpick, bitch and moan regardless. Hey there man, calm down. Many programmers write code and think that it's the only thing that matters. Well, web site of the product is also very important. Also, *every* contribution is welcome, so in this case, you can shut the f*uck up. -- http://coastaldisturbance.com/
Re: OT: Transparent squid AND redirect_program possible?
Oops my problem were caused by antispoof quick for lo On 11/26/05, Alexander Farber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.benzedrine.cx/transquid.html together with any kind of a redirect_program? I've tried first using adzapper.sf.net and then just a hello world redirector from http://wiki.squid-cache.org/faq/redirectors and get a WARNING: Cannot run '/usr/local/bin/hello_redirect' process. in store.log and a telnet proxyhost port fails. I wonder how to get more debug info.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
Sime Ramov hello at coastaldisturbance.com writes: Many programmers write code and think that it's the only thing that matters. Well, web site of the product is also very important. Matters to who? Idiots who can't read man pages and are constantly polluting this mailing list with their idiotic ramblings? You sound like one of those people so I guess it matters to you. That doesn't mean it matters all that much to people who have a clue what they're doing. Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time with it. The website has its purpose and does a perfectly good job of serving it. Also, *every* contribution is welcome, so in this case, you can shut the f*uck up. You're not contributing anything.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
css can be used with 4.01 w/o problems. and making pages that have css but also set things for non-css browsers (background) is quite normal (at least until everybody catches up in year 3014). make it at least 1998 ;-) OpenBSD is known for it's progressive additude, if there's a new and a better way of doing something, that isn't compatible with the old way - there's no hesitation about going forward in that direction. That's the impression I've held so far. It's a good philosophy imho. There's no need to carry the burden of compatilibty with the old just because of the needs of others who do not share your goals. They're free to pursue their own goals, and should not be critisizing about yours. Certainly not demand anything for which they've given nothing. And here, you're preaching for an exception in the case of html. XHTML + CSS are imho improvements to html 4.01 and should be therefore used instead. If people have browsers that cannot handle it, it's quite their problem. If they still want to access the content but keep their backward browsers, let them submit an alternative layout and have a link to it. In this case, there's an alternative layout - the excisting one, so they're still getting something for nothing and therefore should not be complaining when XHTML + CSS is used, since they can still get to the content. In practice of course, my ideas will be considered that of an shelfish/capitalistic who has no right to hold his opinions.. for they're no benefit for the common good. Yet I've hope that OpenBSD movement will recongize that the progressive attitude is the right one, and one should not bear the burden of compatibility without a reason.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
Hello! On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 03:04:11PM +0100, Sime Ramov wrote: On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote: your page is unreadable at 800x600 :) I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I decided for 1024x768. Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design. [...] Kind regards, Hannah.
Re: Theorical question on dual core vs single CPU in routing setup.
* Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-26 08:57]: I was asking myself if I would actually benefit from a dual core processor, or multi-processor system in a routing setup and more I think about it, I would think not as the application is not multi-treads to start with and there isn't must else running as well. routing itself does not benefit from MP, currently. for pure forwarding performance a UP system could be faster than an MP system (with same parameters otherwise), except that we use the ioapics on MP systems and that gives some benefit... but that's a side-effect :) Looking at the code of bgpd/ospfs, I don't see it design as using multiple treads ( doesn't mean I understand it fully either) so it wouldn't benefit from a dual core server then, and as the routing table basically is process by the kernel, I would think it would be useless to have multi core no? bgpd and ospfd are not threaded at all, on purpose. however, they are multiple processes. in case of bgpd, the session engine and the parent process on one CPU and the RDE on the other should give performance benefits. and you're not only doing bgpd, you are also forwarding packets, so MP might really improve your total performance.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
Hannah Schroeter wrote: On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 03:04:11PM +0100, Sime Ramov wrote: On 14:55 Sun 27 Nov, frantisek holop wrote: your page is unreadable at 800x600 I know, it's personal site (well, just splash at this moment), and I decided for 1024x768. Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design. The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a bad design? And hence should be considered a bug to be fixed by a new design? -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com -- 102708583/icq - grafikrobot/aim - Grafik/jabber.org
Help on booting from logical partition
27 Nov, 2005 Dear Sir, I've installed OpenBSD on an Intel machine(Intel chipset GV) in a logical partition. How can I boot that partition from a bootable floppy i.e what should I type at the boot command line. Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lot's of someone's, actually. Yahoo! Personals
Clamd crapping-out?
Hello everyone. I wanted to build an email server OBSD style. I have never done this, and it has been a while since I set one up (few years). I wanted to take advantage of many of the newer developments in the *nix email world. I am using OBSD 3.8 with sendmail. My machine is an 800mhz via c3 with 512mb of ram. I am using sasl, imaps/pops (imap-uw) with tls, I am using spam assassin, and I am using clamav through smtp-vilter. Everything works great --except one thing: Clamd seems to crap out on large email messages. I have sent several test messages to my server with a 4mb attachment. every time it tries to come through, I get this in my maillog file: --- Nov 27 12:54:37 mx1 sendmail[11426]: jARHriLC011426: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], delay=00:00:48, pri=5757331, stat=Please try again later Nov 27 12:57:14 mx1 sendmail[9374]: jARHuXIs009374: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=5727332, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=[EMAIL PROTECTED], proto =ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81] Nov 27 12:57:16 mx1 sendmail[9374]: jARHuXIs009374: Milter add: header: X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.9 Nov 27 17:57:26 mx1 smtp-vilter[29622]: clamd: no response from clamd Nov 27 17:57:26 mx1 smtp-vilter[29622]: error during virus scan of file /tmp/vilter.MFzDk29622 Nov 27 17:57:26 mx1 smtp-vilter[29622]: temporarily failing message Nov 27 12:57:26 mx1 sendmail[9374]: jARHuXIs009374: Milter: data, reject=451 4.3.2 Please try again later --- I have monitored it with top, and when the message comes through, the CPU usage for spikes to about 97% (nearly all of it attributable to clamd). It bobbles from about 75% to 97% for about 40-50 seconds. Then it craps out with the above message in /var/log/maillog. I have set the readtimeout to 10 minutes... this did not help. Small messages get through just fine, and clear their virus scan. I know my users will be sending/receiving attachments this big and bigger. Can someone please assist? Thank you! Chris Note: I have also used maildroid, and I noticed, that out of the box, the same thing happens! Here is my clamd.conf: -- LogFile /var/log/clamd.log LogTime TemporaryDirectory /var/tmp FixStaleSocket TCPSocket 3310 TCPAddr 127.0.0.1 ReadTimeout 600 User _vilter ScanPE ScanArchive Here is my smtp-vilter.conf --- user=_vilter group=_vilter chroot=/var/smtp-vilter tmpfiles=g+r tmpfiles=setgrp backend=clamd config-file=clamd:/etc/smtp-vilter/clamd.conf virus-strategy=notify-recipient recipient-notification=/etc/smtp-vilter/recipient-notification spam-strategy=mark spam-subject-prefix=* SPAM * unwanted-strategy=mark error-strategy=tempfail port=unix:smtp-vilter.sock tmpdir=/tmp pidfile=/var/run/smtp-vilter.pid log-facility=mail logfile=/var/log/smtp-vilter.log option=logvirus option=logspam option=logunwanted option=markall --- Here is my dmesg: --- OpenBSD 3.8 (GENERIC) #138: Sat Sep 10 15:41:37 MDT 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: VIA Samuel 2 (CentaurHauls 686-class) 800 MHz cpu0: FPU,DE,TSC,MSR,MTRR,PGE,MMX real mem = 527998976 (515624K) avail mem = 474857472 (463728K) using 4278 buffers containing 26501120 bytes (25880K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(e1) BIOS, date 03/27/03, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfb150 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.2 apm0: AC on, battery charge unknown apm0: flags 70102 dobusy 1 doidle 1 pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0xdf94 pcibios0: PCI IRQ Routing Table rev 1.0 @ 0xfdf20/112 (5 entries) pcibios0: PCI Exclusive IRQs: 5 9 10 11 pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:17:0 (VIA VT8231 ISA rev 0x00) pcibios0: PCI bus #1 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xc000 cpu0 at mainbus0 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA VT8601 PCI rev 0x05 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 VIA VT82C601 AGP rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 Trident CyberBlade i1 rev 0x6a wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) pcib0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 VIA VT8231 ISA rev 0x10 pciide0 at pci0 dev 17 function 1 VIA VT82C571 IDE rev 0x06: ATA100, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: Maxtor 6Y120P0 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 117246MB, 240121728 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled) uhci0 at
Re: Mambo Server hacks
On 11/27/05, Bruno S. Delbono [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a secure php CMS that any of you might have had experience with (knowing full well that php and security are an oxymoron) Did you try SPIP (http://www.spip.net) ? Several big french websites use it. Fabien
Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenBSD claims to be done for the benefit of its developers and every indication that I've seen says that they mean exactly what they say. True and nothing wrong with that. Concerns of users are secondary at best. The developers will help you if you have something good to offer to them, but most users only wine for ever and ever! What the developers have is their own operating system, where everything is under their control and done according to their priorities. And so it should be! They write it don't they? They are the only ones on the planet who have such. And is the only one on the planet with such a track records as well! (: They will not give up that control to any outsiders. Can't say I blame 'em. Nor would I, as if they do that, the project would simply go dead and loose all of it's winning aspect now! And that bring the discussion in the full cycle now and close it as well. Users try to offer stuff as they say they have to, or know better, ( what ever really) then complain it's not taken seriously, ( what ever again), then they complain they don't have the docs they needs ( what ever again!), so you take them to their own words and say, here do it yourselves if you are so incline to do so and shut up ( what ever again) and what happened, well very few will offer some decent stuff and then nothing! So, that proof the point just to well! Just talks and not much progress and this tread is just an other example of it I guess. If the users would only do 1% of what they say, it would have so many docs of HOWTOs, that you would never have the time to read them all. ( Note, I haven't said anything about the quality of it here, that's a loaded subject by itself.) In short give control to the users and it will go dead! Part of the effect is that OpenBSD has a degree of clout much larger than its user base would suggest. Seriously, if it doesn't run OpenBSD, there's probably something fundamentally wrong with it. (Not really fair, but it is effective;) I couldn't agree with you more here with minor exceptions as there is always some, but in general OpenBSD does all that I need and it;'s a killer OS! In order to benefit from OpenBSD, starting with something that used to be OpenBSD, and then doing Windows on top of that, doesn't really work. Further, I suspect that any such tends to give OpenBSD a bad name. Why would you like to do it anyway? Setting up an excellent and elaborate security system and then disposing of old computers with hard drives intact, ... Everything you don't know --- matters. What can I say anyway. Daniel
Re: Help on booting from logical partition
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 10:14:50AM -0800, PARAMVIR DHINDSA wrote: 27 Nov, 2005 Dear Sir, I've installed OpenBSD on an Intel machine(Intel chipset GV) in a logical partition. How can I boot that partition from a bootable floppy i.e what should I type at the boot command line. Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lot's of someone's, actually. Yahoo! Personals It should be similar to boot: com0 com1 fd0 wd0 mem[...] boot boot wd0a:/bsd Of course, the above is reproduced from memory and the topmost line is likely to be inaccurate even on my own system, let alone yours. That being said, OpenBSD's boot will tell you what hard disks it finds (most likely wd or sd, but there are quite a few possibilities). A variation on the above syntax will cause OpenBSD to go look at the proper disk. Joachim
Re: How to redirect packets by HTTP URL
Alejandro Valverde Molina wrote: I'm using pf to forwarding my dmz, but I need to forward a http subdomain to a specific ip address, so is there a way to forward the package reading the http url, like m$cr$s$ft isa server does? In your httpd.conf file, you can make that do what ever you like! See here for example: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=110745960831277w=2 Then read on it to adapt to your needs. Could be very powerful is use properly! Daniel
Re: How to redirect packets by HTTP URL
On 11/27/05, Alejandro Valverde Molina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using pf to forwarding my dmz, but I need to forward a http subdomain to a specific ip address, so is there a way to forward the package reading the http url, like m$cr$s$ft isa server does? I don't know exactly what you want to achieve, but unless I misunderstood you you want route packets (network layer) based on http header information (application layer)? i can't imagine one such thing which won't be a bad hack. it will break. use a proxy. apache makes a reasonable proxy, and it is in base. --knitti
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
Rene Rivera wrote: Hannah Schroeter wrote: ... Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design. The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a bad design? And hence should be considered a bug to be fixed by a new design? One of our star platforms, Zaurus, has only an 640x480 screen. I think it is reasonable to expect that the OpenBSD website can be usably viewed on a Zaurus running OpenBSD. Note the word usably -- the Zaurus is a small machine, and has some restrictions due to its size. So, some inconveniences are expected, all of the various index.html pages won't fit without some scrolling. But it should work for a tolerant version of work. Running my tests on OpenBSD/i386 -current, Firefox and Dillo running with its window sized to 620x400 (yes, smaller than full Zaurus screen, as I figure the point of having a windowing environment is NOT to have everything full-screen!), I don't see any serious problems (well...other than the idea of Firefox on a Zaurus... *shudder* Unfortunately, I don't have the browsers more likely to be used on a Zaurus on this machine at the moment). index.html needs a little side-to-side panning to view in 620x400, but the main body text is very readable without additional horizontal scrolling, and the entire blue navigation bar is visible without horizontal scroll. donations.html also needed side-to-side scrolling when looking at the names, but that's actually very easy to read that way. Spot-checking the FAQ indicated there were some lines of screen output that caused problems (I need to fix that for other reasons), but for the most part, the content seemed very readable to me on this small screen. Adding CSS to the OpenBSD website because it's cool is pure bullshit, but your claim (if true) is not. So, where do you see a practical problem? I would like to see a list of what pages you saw an unreasonable problem at 640x480 (or my more stringent test). Or are you just making noise? Nick.
Fwd: What java port for konqueror?
On 27/11/05, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 26 November 2005 19:08, steven mestdagh wrote: On Sat, Nov 26, 2005 at 05:45:37PM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: I finally need to activate Java support for Konqueror, but it appears that Java is not by default part of KDE or included in OpenBSD. What port/package(s) do I need for java to work with konqueror on OpenBSD? You are in for some compile time and probably want to start reading this article: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#javaflash I don't use KDE and did not test konqueror. Note that the info on the KDE base package says you need to explicitly enable Java. Let us know if it works... Steve. Thanks very much for the URL. Reading it reminds me why I haven't tried to use Java on OpenBSD before. I have a slow 800MHz system so I'm not sure I want to even bother trying to build Java; I have a lot of other projects to work on that are likely to be more useful. Dave -- Switch to Secure OpenBSD with a KDE desktop!!! NOW with Virtual PC OS support via QEMU and Beowulf clustering using PETSc and MPICH2! You should be aware that the 1.5 jdk has no java plugin! Use 1.4 if you need it. Regards Edd
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
Nick Holland wrote: Rene Rivera wrote: Hannah Schroeter wrote: Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design. The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a bad design? And hence should be considered a bug to be fixed by a new design? So, where do you see a practical problem? I don't see a problem at all... I would like to see a list of what pages you saw an unreasonable problem at 640x480 (or my more stringent test). Or are you just making noise? I was pointing out the flawed argument by Hannah through the use of an example. That having a design that is tailored, or ideal, for some specific sizes or range of sizes, makes it a '*bad* design' (Hannah's words). -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com -- 102708583/icq - grafikrobot/aim - Grafik/jabber.org
Re: Fwd: What java port for konqueror?
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:41:01AM +, Edd Barrett wrote: ...You should be aware that the 1.5 jdk has no java plugin! Use 1.4 if you need it. True for -release and -stable. But the plugin was added to -current cvs 4 days ago. http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/devel/jdk/1.5/
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 04:04:02PM +, Simon Morgan said that Sime Ramov hello at coastaldisturbance.com writes: Many programmers write code and think that it's the only thing that matters. Well, web site of the product is also very important. Matters to who? Idiots who can't read man pages and are constantly polluting this mailing list with their idiotic ramblings? You sound who decides what is idiotic? you? Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time with it. The website has its purpose and does a perfectly good job of serving it. yeah, and as i said, that doesn't mean it has to hurt the eye. making information nice and readable is not a sin. pretty html and a nice website is maybe not interesting for _you_ but nevertheless it is quite a challenge if you haven't noticed. Also, *every* contribution is welcome, so in this case, you can shut the f*uck up. You're not contributing anything. if you are sent away right at the beginning, what's the point? expressing an opinion is still a contribution. without that, openbsd would be much poorer. i realize this thread brings nothing really new and annoys the hell out of the devs. but i think it's important that the more arty people here get these questions answered and be in the archives. and i still don't understand why we have to be ashamed of the openbsd site. it is not a commercial product, but that still doesn't mean it has to be ugly. or at least valid ugly html. -f -- i am not a dictator. it's just i have a grumpy face.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
hmm, on Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 05:34:49PM -0500, Nick Holland said that Rene Rivera wrote: Hannah Schroeter wrote: ... Deciding for *any* resolution is *bad* design. The current openbsd.org doesn't work at 640x480... Does that make it a bad design? And hence should be considered a bug to be fixed by a new design? it doesn't even work at 800x600 without making the fonts smaller. yes it is bad design. Adding CSS to the OpenBSD website because it's cool is pure bullshit, but your claim (if true) is not. sigh opposing css because it's cool isn't very professional either. sorry Nick, i don't agree with you on this one. welcome to the 21st century of web pages. didn't keep telnetd, why not step up the new (actually quite old) web standard? -f -- Introibo ad altare Dei.
Re: anyone tried bgpd vs. he.net/tunnelbroker.net
snip your only workaround is to not send any capability it does not grok. this is guesswork. you might want to try to not announce v4 unicast capabilities... snip I was wondering exactly how this was specified in the bgpd.conf file? Since I was trying to do the same thing to connect to he.net and try out the new ipv6 capabilities of bgpd... Thanks! Glenn
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 27, 2005, at 4:20 PM, frantisek holop wrote: snip You're not contributing anything. if you are sent away right at the beginning, what's the point? expressing an opinion is still a contribution. without that, openbsd would be much poorer. i realize this thread brings nothing really new and annoys the hell out of the devs. but i think it's important that the more arty people here get these questions answered and be in the archives. and i still don't understand why we have to be ashamed of the openbsd site. it is not a commercial product, but that still doesn't mean it has to be ugly. or at least valid ugly html. So *code* something. Put it up someplace. See if anybody thinks there is a reason to switch. Offer to put the time and effort into maintaining it. A big part of the problem here is people who keep whining but don't produce any code. It's all there in CVS make with the code and I think you'll find you get much more respect. -f -- i am not a dictator. it's just i have a grumpy face. - -- If you aren't solving your problems with violence, you aren't using enough. iD8DBQFDilDQ+jjCYjWs3d0RAnDkAJ9LJU7R75Y6zn44aj1sWE6kbhWOKACdHBw9 kqHpiB/VCU6dCOXHaNjBLSk= =jjcE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
OpenBSD 3.8 remote installation script
Hi there, Iam looking for a script which could used for an remote OpenBSD 3.8 installtion on a dedicated server. Last time Ive dumped an image of 3.6 on my box but Ive read something about an installation routine for OpenBSD 3.6 but I have forgotten the scriptname (but it wasnt the depenguinator) - maybe anyone can give a hint ?! Regards Florian
Re: Updated CCD Mirroring HOWTO
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:15:26 +0100, Robbert Haarman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear JCR, To the rest of list users; Please pardon another long email from me on this. Helping reasonable people like Robbert understand why many people consider HOWTO's to be harmful is hopefully worth the added noise and bandwidth. If this is a concern, why don't we take the discussion off-list? Also, I don't want to waste anyone's time with this discussion, so if you are tired of this discussion, just tell me to stop it and I will. Long posts and repeated back-and-forth on the list are things I prefer to avoid, since every post we make on list does carry the associated cost of many people, including a lot of the developers, reading and scrutinizing it. I find you, your opinions and the discussion itself interesting, but moving it off list after this post will probably be best. I was originally going to send this to you off list but Michael Quaintance requested to continue the discussion in public. A tough call ether way but capitulating with his request on one last lengthy volley into the ether seems fairly reasonable. I hope it seems like a reasonable plan to you. If end-users are lazy and want to take the easy way out, they should go back to using linux and MS-Windows. They are not welcome here. That's a pity. I personally think OpenBSD is the _only_ operating system that takes security as seriously as it should be taken, and it would be in everybody's (well, almost everybody's) best interest if they used it. There is nothing wrong with the project not wanting certain users, but it leaves these users with a choice among evils, which is a pity. The pity is not whether or not some users are welcome. The real pity is current technology has yet to produce a computer that the average user can, own, operate and maintain without either significant knowledge of their own or significant resources to pay professionals to do the dirty work. I disagree. A Linux distro (forgive my blasphemy) Linux is not blasphemy. It's just one of the many a flavors of UNIXish operating systems. The various flavors of UNIX are just like people; we all have our own set of problems and personality quirks. Oddly enough, there's a powered off RedHat8 box currently being used by my feet as a footstool. Though I can't say I really support linux very much, I can say linux supports my feet fairly well. ;-) like Ubuntu is easy enough for computer illiterates to use and even maintain, since security patches are automatically announced and installed with a click of the mouse. I've never tried Ubuntu. Is it fun? -The reason why my only linux box is an ancient RedHat8 is due that version being the only supported version of linux for Cadence software suite. I have to test on it, as well as SPARC-Solaris, PARISC-HPUX, POWER-AIX and others. If only Ubuntu had the advanced security mechanisms of OpenBSD, it would be a very secure system, even if the users didn't know much about computers. As it stands, OpenBSD is the only operating system I am aware of that has had the full base system completely audited and has buffer overrun and other protections enabled for all software on it. This, by itself, makes it more secure than other systems, regardless of what users do with it. Even in the worst case, where users actively degrade the security of the system, I would imagine OpenBSD's security would at least not be _worse_ than that of another system. As you know, reducing the secure/insecure argument to absolutes of black and white does not work but contrary to popular belief, trying to differentiate based on shades of gray also fails miserably. There are just too many possibilities, too much work and too many assumptions to make any solid case based on particular shades of gray. To put it a bit more directly, I believe you are grasping at straws with this line of reasoning because we both know there's really no way to prove or disprove whether your assumptions are correct or incorrect. On the bright side, I think you deserve bonus points for a beautiful use of rhetoric. ;-) Adding security features tends to break existing software. It's just a fact of life but on the flip side, it does allow new classes of bugs to be found and fixed. When software refuses to compile or run due to some new security feature, the result is increasing the level of expertise required of normal users to do a normal tasks. What I'm saying is, the Ubuntu/Windows approach of trying to make things easy for the end-user is diametrically opposed to the addition of disruptive security technology. Yes, in time, the bugs found by a new security feature get fixed and the effect on required knowledge is reduced but in the mean time, you've got a bunch of angry users out for blood because they can't do their job. Security itself is actually a myth because nothing is ever completely secure. Calling it a relative term and playing the shades of gray game is
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
On 11/27/05, Simon Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time with it. The website has its purpose and does a perfectly good job of serving it. I would have to disagree. I find that coming up with good visual layouts and good, solid web design is a large challenge. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. The OpenBSD website is functional for many people. However, it could be more functional, and work to maximum effect on all users across all platforms. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about what CSS is for. It's not just about pretty pictures. CSS and solid XHTML, when used properly, make your websites look great on the newest Mac and it makes them look and work great on lynx running on a 386. That's what good web design is all about. Right now, OpenBSD.org's layout and design relies on a lot of old hacks, which break down for many users. I find that unacceptable, just as I find the general attitude that something is good enough when it clearly could be better with a little effort to be unacceptable.
Re: HOTO Write bad documentation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Jeremy David wrote: On 11/27/05, Simon Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hackers like interesting problems. Pretty HTML and a nice website layout is not an interesting problem. Stop wasting peoples time with it. The website has its purpose and does a perfectly good job of serving it. I would have to disagree. I find that coming up with good visual layouts and good, solid web design is a large challenge. Otherwise I wouldn't do it. The OpenBSD website is functional for many people. However, it could be more functional, and work to maximum effect on all users across all platforms. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about what CSS is for. It's not just about pretty pictures. CSS and solid XHTML, when used properly, make your websites look great on the newest Mac and it makes them look and work great on lynx running on a 386. That's what good web design is all about. Right now, OpenBSD.org's layout and design relies on a lot of old hacks, which break down for many users. I find that unacceptable, just as I find the general attitude that something is good enough when it clearly could be better with a little effort to be unacceptable. Where is your diff? - -- If you aren't solving your problems with violence, you aren't using enough. iD8DBQFDioE9+jjCYjWs3d0RAlSXAJ0djmodweKg2XlpDxIu3mkY+sccUwCfb4+t 0yRldNZaeUt+5JhPG+k7MeE= =4tbv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)
frantisek holop wrote: dear list, before Theo brings up the (very) valid point of haven't been able to see any proposed design (even if rejected without looking) i would like to ask fellow designers or anyone who feels like to make an openbsd site design proposal just to show that actually there is interest in making the old pages retire after so many years of faithful serving. i am willing to host all the participants' efforts as a central repository, or even only links to these pages. make some noise people, so we can say at least we tried. -f Like FreeBSD and NetBSD's redesign our web site contest. Riiight.. No. We've spent way too much time laughing at those already (both the process and the results). You can do what you want, but your work will be ignored. OpenBSD is NOT a committee-run OS project. I think a lot of people miss this. If there is ONE THING that distinguishes OpenBSD from most other OSs out there, it is the fact that OpenBSD is the work of a small group of people following the lead of *one* person. There is no question of direction, there is no five different products to accomplish same task, because we don't have the guts to make a decision and endorse just one. As has been pointed out repeatedly, OpenBSD developers develop the OS for their own use. If your uses are compatible with the developer's goals, OpenBSD is for you. If not, you quickly realize not to waste your time. You don't see OpenBSD flopping around without a clear direction. You don't end up wondering, will they change directions to meet my goals, or will they abandon my goals?. If or when Theo decides the web site should be restructured, it will be restructured. If/when that happens, I would be very surprised if something other than one of two things were to happen: 1) Theo rebuilds it and says, here's the new design. 2) Theo hires/selects ONE PERSON to redesign it, and looks at the result and says, here is the new design (or rips someone's head off). Committee design is NOT what we are about. You don't see contests for CD designs or release themes. Contrary to what some people think, we are not a web-design company. Our product is not a super-cool website. Our product is an OS we need and use. The website is just an information source about the product, maintained by software developers and documenters. When I write material to help other people with similar interests use OpenBSD, I'm not worried about if it uses the features of the best of the current crop of browsers, I want to get the information across effectively. I measure my success based on the information conveyed, not how pretty it is. I have reason to believe I do a half-way decent job at this. If someone wishes to prove they can do a better job, go for it, I'm sure Theo would love to have a more productive person doing what I do (and what he would like me to do that I'll never have time for). I won't fight it. I have not been bored in well over 20 years, I have NO problem occupying my time. BTW: quality of work will be judged on content, not style. Nick.
OpenBSD 3.8 remote installation script
Hi there, Iam looking for a script which could used for an remote OpenBSD 3.8 installation on a dedicated server. Last time Ive dumped an image of 3.6 on my box but Ive read something about an installation routine for OpenBSD 3.6 but I have forgotten the scriptname (but it wasnt the depenguinator) - maybe anyone can give a hint ?! Regards Florian
Install fails on ACER Veriton 5100 at entry point at 0x100120
... both for cd37 and cd38 in a similar way. For 3.8 is says: CD-ROM: AC Loading /3.8/I386/CDBOOT probing: pc0 com0 apm mem[635k 382M a20=on] disk: fd0 hd0+* cd0 OpenBSD /i386 CDBOOT 1.04 boot booting cd0a: /3.8/i386/bsd.rd: 4369156+828044 [52+151072+137381]=0x53b600 entry point at 0x100120 ... and this is the end. Here it gets stuck. We have searched the archives and google; but need further advice to make it work. In principle, the box boots to Knoppix and we also but that dmesg here in case it can help: Linux version 2.6.11 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc-Version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #2 SMP Thu May 26 20:53:11 CEST 2005 BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 17fd (usable) BIOS-e820: 17fd - 17fe (reserved) BIOS-e820: 17fe - 17fe8000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 17fe8000 - 1800 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: fff8 - 0001 (reserved) 0MB HIGHMEM available. 383MB LOWMEM available. On node 0 totalpages: 98256 DMA zone: 4096 pages, LIFO batch:1 Normal zone: 94160 pages, LIFO batch:16 HighMem zone: 0 pages, LIFO batch:1 DMI 2.3 present. ACPI: RSDP (v000 ACER ) @ 0x000fe030 ACPI: RSDT (v001 ACER S58M 0x0001 ACER 0x) @ 0x17fe ACPI: FADT (v001 ACER S58M 0x0001 ACER 0x) @ 0x17fe0028 ACPI: DSDT (v001 Acer S58M 0x1000 MSFT 0x010a) @ 0x ACPI: BIOS age (2000) fails cutoff (2002), acpi=force is required to enable ACPIACPI: Disabling ACPI support Allocating PCI resources starting at 1800 (gap: 1800:e7f8) Built 1 zonelists Kernel command line: ramdisk_size=10 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power-off vga=791 initrd=minirt.gz nomce quiet BOOT_IMAGE=knoppix BOOT_IMAGE=linux __iounmap: bad address c00fffd9 Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- you can enable it with lapic mapped APIC to d000 (01402000) Initializing CPU#0 PID hash table entries: 2048 (order: 11, 32768 bytes) Detected 863.945 MHz processor. Using tsc for high-res timesource Console: colour dummy device 80x25 Dentry cache hash table entries: 65536 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) Inode-cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) Memory: 383544k/393024k available (1847k kernel code, 8768k reserved, 946k data, 292k init, 0k highmem) Checking if this processor honours the WP bit even in supervisor mode... Ok. Calibrating delay loop... 1703.93 BogoMIPS (lpj=851968) Security Framework v1.0.0 initialized SELinux: Disabled at boot. Mount-cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) CPU: After generic identify, caps: 0383f9ff CPU: After vendor identify, caps: 0383f9ff CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K CPU: L2 cache: 256K CPU: After all inits, caps: 0383f9ff 0040 Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done. Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done. Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. Checking for popad bug... OK. CPU0: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 06 per-CPU timeslice cutoff: 731.62 usecs. task migration cache decay timeout: 1 msecs. SMP motherboard not detected. Local APIC not detected. Using dummy APIC emulation. Brought up 1 CPUs CPU0 attaching sched-domain: domain 0: span 0001 groups: 0001 checking if image is initramfs...it isn't (no cpio magic); looks like an initrd Freeing initrd memory: 862k freed NET: Registered protocol family 16 EISA bus registered PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0220, last bus=2 PCI: Using configuration type 1 mtrr: v2.0 (20020519) ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050408 ACPI: Interpreter disabled. Linux Plug and Play Support v0.97 (c) Adam Belay pnp: PnP ACPI: disabled PnPBIOS: Scanning system for PnP BIOS support... PnPBIOS: Found PnP BIOS installation structure at 0xc00f6860 PnPBIOS: PnP BIOS version 1.0, entry 0xf82e0:0x0, dseg 0xf PnPBIOS: 18 nodes reported by PnP BIOS; 18 recorded by driver SCSI subsystem initialized PCI: Probing PCI hardware PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) PCI: Transparent bridge - :00:1e.0 PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX/ICH [8086/2440] at :00:1f.0 pnp: 00:08: ioport range 0x400-0x47f has been reserved pnp: 00:08: ioport range 0x480-0x4bf has been reserved pnp: 00:08: ioport range 0xe00-0xe7f has been reserved audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled) audit(1133184008.326:0): initialized Total HugeTLB memory allocated, 0 VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1 Dquot-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order 0, 4096 bytes) Initializing Cryptographic API vesafb: framebuffer at 0x8400, mapped to 0xd888, using 3072k, total 32768k vesafb: mode is 1024x768x16, linelength=2048, pages=0 vesafb: protected mode
Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)
Why don't you cut the guy some slack - or at least shut your yap on this (puh-l-e-e-e-ze)? I don't see *any* of what you're claiming to be OpenBSD policy stated on the website. In fact I see a statement (somewhat) to the contrary: Be as politics-free as possible; solutions should be decided on the basis of technical merit. And if it's the one-man show you claim, why don't you let the man speak for himself? Or if you've been hired as the official OpenBSD bitch, please - let us know. Jay On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 11:03:19PM -0500, the unit calling itself Nick Holland wrote: frantisek holop wrote: dear list, before Theo brings up the (very) valid point of haven't been able to see any proposed design (even if rejected without looking) i would like to ask fellow designers or anyone who feels like to make an openbsd site design proposal just to show that actually there is interest in making the old pages retire after so many years of faithful serving. i am willing to host all the participants' efforts as a central repository, or even only links to these pages. make some noise people, so we can say at least we tried. -f Like FreeBSD and NetBSD's redesign our web site contest. Riiight.. No. We've spent way too much time laughing at those already (both the process and the results). You can do what you want, but your work will be ignored. OpenBSD is NOT a committee-run OS project. I think a lot of people miss this. If there is ONE THING that distinguishes OpenBSD from most other OSs out there, it is the fact that OpenBSD is the work of a small group of people following the lead of *one* person. There is no question of direction, there is no five different products to accomplish same task, because we don't have the guts to make a decision and endorse just one. As has been pointed out repeatedly, OpenBSD developers develop the OS for their own use. If your uses are compatible with the developer's goals, OpenBSD is for you. If not, you quickly realize not to waste your time. You don't see OpenBSD flopping around without a clear direction. You don't end up wondering, will they change directions to meet my goals, or will they abandon my goals?. If or when Theo decides the web site should be restructured, it will be restructured. If/when that happens, I would be very surprised if something other than one of two things were to happen: 1) Theo rebuilds it and says, here's the new design. 2) Theo hires/selects ONE PERSON to redesign it, and looks at the result and says, here is the new design (or rips someone's head off). Committee design is NOT what we are about. You don't see contests for CD designs or release themes. Contrary to what some people think, we are not a web-design company. Our product is not a super-cool website. Our product is an OS we need and use. The website is just an information source about the product, maintained by software developers and documenters. When I write material to help other people with similar interests use OpenBSD, I'm not worried about if it uses the features of the best of the current crop of browsers, I want to get the information across effectively. I measure my success based on the information conveyed, not how pretty it is. I have reason to believe I do a half-way decent job at this. If someone wishes to prove they can do a better job, go for it, I'm sure Theo would love to have a more productive person doing what I do (and what he would like me to do that I'll never have time for). I won't fight it. I have not been bored in well over 20 years, I have NO problem occupying my time. BTW: quality of work will be judged on content, not style. Nick.
Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)
On Monday 28 November 2005 01:33, J Moore wrote: Why don't you cut the guy some slack - or at least shut your yap on this (puh-l-e-e-e-ze)? I don't see *any* of what you're claiming to be OpenBSD policy stated on the website. In fact I see a statement (somewhat) to the contrary: Be as politics-free as possible; solutions should be decided on the basis of technical merit. And if it's the one-man show you claim, why don't you let the man speak for himself? Or if you've been hired as the official OpenBSD bitch, please - let us know. Jay Jay, I would think that the lack of response from Theo should say something. I agree with Nick; functionality over form *any* day. The current web site is quite reasonable I think. Could it be improved? Probably. But the site is still very good, and I for one would rather see the project move along the way it has been. I know the person who posted the original question has the best of intentions, but I don't think he quite understands how things work. And no, there probably isn't a statement of exactly how things work. Watching the mailing lists is the way to learn. I think that *is* stated on the site. --STeve Andre'
