Re: website down from here
On 21 June 2011 05:37, Samuel Baldwin recursive.for...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.openbsd.org Simply openbsd.org works, however. -- Samuel Baldwin - logik.li openbsd.org and www.openbsd.org are two different systems see: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=127430012300582w=2 hth Fred
Re: website down from here
On 06/21/2011 06:39 AM, Philip Guenther wrote: The market in baby mulching machines dropped out and the IPO won't be floated, so it's all being shut down. As long as I can still buy OpenBSD-based palestinian-baby-seeker-heads for my bulldozers, *I'm* a happy man. (My point it simple. OpenBSD wants even the worst nastiest anal-carotid-constriction-software-patent-loving-spam-your-grandma-for-a-dollar-bottom-feeding-killing-babies-in-palestine-and-iraq type organizations to be able to use our codebase in whatever they like. No matter who they feel they need to sue to seek revenue (or defend themselves in a countersuit). Even if they make an OpenBSD-based palestinian-baby-seeker-head for buldozers. It's simply about Freedom - A-la Voltaire. I may completely disapprove of you, but I will defend to the death your right to use OpenBSD source code inu, but I will defend to the death your right to use OpenBSD source code in whatever you want. -Bob Beck in t...@openbsd.org)
Re: Another weird notebook-booting problem.
On 2011-06-21, Sean Howard sil...@callysto.com wrote: I am also using a ProBook 4520s I am however using OpenBSD-4.9 amd-64. I could try to see if I can install -current, but it would take me a few days (find time, backup again, reinstall, etc), however - I have attached my amd64 dmesg. I had to disable ACPI to get it to work, This is really not a good idea, especially on a particularly temperature-sensitive system like a laptop. since, well, that would cause a kernel panic. I don't see a bug report for this anywhere. It would certainly be worth copying a -current kernel over to see if it boots and make a bug report if the ACPI problem persists, no need to overwrite your current kernel, just use a different name instead of /bsd.
Re: panic: ioapic0: can't alloc vector
On 20/06/11 13:24, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: On 20/06/11 12:22, Kapetanakis Giannis wrote: Trying to install latest snapshot 19-Jun-2011 I got kernel panic. SHA256 checksums verified. Problem reported also with sendbug #6637 I've also tried to boot /bsd.sp with no luck Tried disable ioapic with no luck Tried disable acpi with no luck Managed to boot both bsd.mp and bsd.sp by disabling BOTH acpi and mpbios snapshot from 20-Jun fixed the problem. OpenBSD 4.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #81: Mon Jun 20 13:56:42 MDT 2011 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC.MP Giannis
VLANs on bridge
Hi all, I've to establish a highly redundant firewall cluster with openbsd, but I got stuck with the config. The config: -2 CORE0 routers ( Cisco 7xxx ) -2 FW running OpenBSD 4.9 -2 internal Cisco 3750g switches ( SW01SW02 ) Please find attached the draft of the network infrastructure ( or just view it here: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9414/monofwdraft.png ) In the external side of the FWs, I've 5 VLANS: 90-95 for separate data flows ( 1 for public internet ). In the internal side we've 4 VLANS: 40-44 The internal Ciscos are configured with RSTP and are connected to each other directly with one VTP domain, SW01 being the master. The FW's ports are all trunk ports with allowed VLANs 40-44. What I can't establish: how to build the bridges with VLANs on top of them? I've tried several ways, none of them worked well. Some scenarios it worked partly: when I set hme2 to vlan40's vlandev, I could see the machines in VLAN 40, but when I disconnected hme2 - the traffic should switch to hme2 then - the connection broke. My latest try was this config ( just for vlan40 now ): ifconfig hme2 up ifconfig hme3 up ifconfig vether0 create ifconfig vlan40 create ifconfig vlan40 vlandev vether0 ifconfig vlan40 inet 192.168.240.1 255.255.255.0 ifconfig vlan40 up ifconfig vether0 up ifconfig bridge1 create ifconfig bridge1 add hme2 ifconfig bridge1 add hme3 ifconfig bridge1 add vether0 ifconfig bridge1 stp hme2 ifconfig bridge1 stp hme3 ifconfig bridge1 stp vether0 ifconfig bridge1 spanpriority 61400 # avoid being the root bridge ifconfig bridge1 up When I try to ping 192.168.240.251 ( linux host in vlan 40 ) I see the packets in vlan40 ( tcpdump -ni vlan40 ), but the packet doesn't get to vether0 :( ( I see just the BPDU packets of the RSTP on vether0 ). Any suggestions? How should I bulid the bridge with full VLAN redundancy and RSTP? Thanks, Tamas [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of MonoFW_draft.png]
USB disks softraid bioctl auto mounting Q
Hi, I have a 1TB USB disk that I want to auto mount to my OBSD 4.9 server but I needed to encrypted the disk using softraid that works but now I can't figure out how to make the disk auto mount. Can someone help me ? The is where I am just now. Pluig in disk...sd0 appears... umass0 at uhub3 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 FreeCom Freecom MD Secure rev 2.00/1.01 addr 5 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus2 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd0 at scsibus2 targ 1 lun 0: WDC WD10, TPVT-00U4RT1, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 953869MB, 512 bytes/sec, 1953525168 sec total #fdisk -iy sd0 #printf a\n\n\n\nRAID\nw\nq\n\n | disklabel -E sd0 #bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd0a softraid0 passphrase = sausages New disk appears... ###scsibus4 at softraid0: 1 targets ###sd2 at scsibus4 targ 0 lun 0: OPENBSD, SR CRYPTO, 004 SCSI2 0/direct fixed ###sd2: 953866MB, 512 bytes/sec, 1953519473 sec total # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd1 bs=1m count=1 # fdisk -iy sd1 # printf a\n\n\n\n4.2BSD\nw\nq\n\n | disklabel -E sd1 # newfs sd1a # mount /dev/rsd1a /mnt or is it # mount /dev/sd1a /mnt Disk works fine. But if I reboot we need to issue the 'bioctl' line again and I am not sure how to do this. Thanks Keith
Re: USB disks softraid bioctl auto mounting Q
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:39:55AM +0100, keith wrote: Hi, I have a 1TB USB disk that I want to auto mount to my OBSD 4.9 server but I needed to encrypted the disk using softraid that works but now I can't figure out how to make the disk auto mount. Can someone help me ? The is where I am just now. Pluig in disk...sd0 appears... umass0 at uhub3 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 FreeCom Freecom MD Secure rev 2.00/1.01 addr 5 umass0: using SCSI over Bulk-Only scsibus2 at umass0: 2 targets, initiator 0 sd0 at scsibus2 targ 1 lun 0: WDC WD10, TPVT-00U4RT1, SCSI2 0/direct fixed sd0: 953869MB, 512 bytes/sec, 1953525168 sec total #fdisk -iy sd0 #printf a\n\n\n\nRAID\nw\nq\n\n | disklabel -E sd0 #bioctl -c C -l /dev/sd0a softraid0 passphrase = sausages New disk appears... ###scsibus4 at softraid0: 1 targets ###sd2 at scsibus4 targ 0 lun 0: OPENBSD, SR CRYPTO, 004 SCSI2 0/direct fixed ###sd2: 953866MB, 512 bytes/sec, 1953519473 sec total # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd1 bs=1m count=1 # fdisk -iy sd1 # printf a\n\n\n\n4.2BSD\nw\nq\n\n | disklabel -E sd1 # newfs sd1a # mount /dev/rsd1a /mnt or is it # mount /dev/sd1a /mnt Disk works fine. But if I reboot we need to issue the 'bioctl' line again and I am not sure how to do this. Thanks Keith Dunno the anwser to your question, but mounts are always done on block devices, e.g. no 'r'. All other operations are done on char devices, but most commands are nice enough to accept short device names without 'r'. -Otto
Re: VLANs on bridge
Assigning one of the phys devices as vlandev to a vlan is not working. I mean, I can assign to them, but if vlan40 is assigned to hme2 and hme2 failes, than vlan40 will be down and hosts in vlan40 are unreacheable. So: ifconfig hme2 up ifconfig hme3 up ifconfig vlan40 create ifconfig vlan40 vlandev hme2 ifconfig vlan40 inet 192.168.240.1 255.255.255.0 ifconfig vlan40 up ifconfig bridge1 create ifconfig bridge1 add vlan40 ifconfig bridge1 add hme2 ifconfig bridge1 add hme3 ifconfig bridge1 stp hme2 ifconfig bridge1 stp hme3 ifconfig bridge1 stp vlan40 ifconfig bridge1 spanpriority 61400 # avoid being the root bridge ifconfig bridge1 up is not working :( I want a solution, what is working with just one VLAN, so the VLAN is not dependent ont he phys interface. In your solution, if I don't pull up vlan41, than hme3 won't be in the bridge. Cheers, Tamas -Original Message- From: Claer [mailto:cl...@claer.hammock.fr] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:00 PM To: Dajka Tamas Subject: Re: VLANs on bridge On Tue, Jun 21 2011 at 10:11, Dajka Tamas wrote: Hi all, Hi, I've to establish a highly redundant firewall cluster with openbsd, but I got stuck with the config. The config: -2 CORE0 routers ( Cisco 7xxx ) -2 FW running OpenBSD 4.9 -2 internal Cisco 3750g switches ( SW01SW02 ) Please find attached the draft of the network infrastructure ( or just view it here: http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9414/monofwdraft.png ) In the external side of the FWs, I've 5 VLANS: 90-95 for separate data flows ( 1 for public internet ). In the internal side we've 4 VLANS: 40-44 The internal Ciscos are configured with RSTP and are connected to each other directly with one VTP domain, SW01 being the master. The FW's ports are all trunk ports with allowed VLANs 40-44. What I can't establish: how to build the bridges with VLANs on top of them? I've tried several ways, none of them worked well. Some scenarios it worked partly: when I set hme2 to vlan40's vlandev, I could see the machines in VLAN 40, but when I disconnected hme2 - the traffic should switch to hme2 then - the connection broke. My latest try was this config ( just for vlan40 now ): ifconfig hme2 up ifconfig hme3 up ifconfig vether0 create ifconfig vlan40 create ifconfig vlan40 vlandev vether0 ifconfig vlan40 inet 192.168.240.1 255.255.255.0 ifconfig vlan40 up ifconfig vether0 up ifconfig bridge1 create ifconfig bridge1 add hme2 ifconfig bridge1 add hme3 ifconfig bridge1 add vether0 ifconfig bridge1 stp hme2 ifconfig bridge1 stp hme3 ifconfig bridge1 stp vether0 ifconfig bridge1 spanpriority 61400 # avoid being the root bridge ifconfig bridge1 up When I try to ping 192.168.240.251 ( linux host in vlan 40 ) I see the packets in vlan40 ( tcpdump -ni vlan40 ), but the packet doesn't get to vether0 :( ( I see just the BPDU packets of the RSTP on vether0 ). Any suggestions? How should I bulid the bridge with full VLAN redundancy and RSTP? A stupid one, did you try to bridge vlans one by one ? ifconfig hme2 up ifconfig hme3 up ifconfig vether40 create ifconfig vether40 inet 192.168.240.1 255.255.255.0 ifconfig vether40 up ifconfig vlan40 create ifconfig vlan40 vlandev hme2 ifconfig vlan41 create ifconfig vlan41 vlandev hme3 ifconfig vlan40 up ifconfig vlan41 up ifconfig bridge1 create ifconfig bridge1 add vlan40 ifconfig bridge1 add vlan41 ifconfig bridge1 add vether0 ifconfig bridge1 stp vlan40 ifconfig bridge1 stp vlan41 ifconfig bridge1 stp vether0 ifconfig bridge1 spanpriority 61400 # avoid being the root bridge ifconfig bridge1 up ... This is by far a bad solution but could be interesting for finding a better one. Regards, Claer
Re: USB disks softraid bioctl auto mounting Q
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:39 AM, keith ke...@scott-land.net wrote: Disk works fine. But if I reboot we need to issue the 'bioctl' line again and I am not sure how to do this. Same command as the first time. Put it in /etc/rc or /etc/rc.local or somewhere convenient.
bcrypt.c licensing
Hi! I have a question about the license for bcrypt.c. The OpenBSD policy page (http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html) says: Berkeley rescinded the 3rd term (the advertising term) on 22 July 1999. Verbatim copies of the Berkeley license in the OpenBSD tree have that term removed. In addition, many 3rd-party BSD-style licenses consist solely of the first two terms. But bcrypt.c still contains the 3rd term: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/crypt/bcrypt.c?rev=1.24; content-type=text%2Fplain Is bcrypt.c still under the 4 term license? Should the third term be removed? Thanks. -- Aaron Patterson http://tenderlovemaking.com/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: bcrypt.c licensing
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:23:13AM -0700, Aaron Patterson wrote: Hi! I have a question about the license for bcrypt.c. The OpenBSD policy page (http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html) says: Berkeley rescinded the 3rd term (the advertising term) on 22 July 1999. Verbatim copies of the Berkeley license in the OpenBSD tree have that term removed. In addition, many 3rd-party BSD-style licenses consist solely of the first two terms. But bcrypt.c still contains the 3rd term: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/crypt/bcrypt.c?rev=1.24; content-type=text%2Fplain Is bcrypt.c still under the 4 term license? Should the third term be removed? Why don't you ask the copyright owner i.e. Niels Provos? He's the only one who can decide that. -Otto
Re: bcrypt.c licensing
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 06:28:21PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 09:23:13AM -0700, Aaron Patterson wrote: Hi! I have a question about the license for bcrypt.c. The OpenBSD policy page (http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html) says: Berkeley rescinded the 3rd term (the advertising term) on 22 July 1999. Verbatim copies of the Berkeley license in the OpenBSD tree have that term removed. In addition, many 3rd-party BSD-style licenses consist solely of the first two terms. But bcrypt.c still contains the 3rd term: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/crypt/bcrypt.c?rev=1.24; content-type=text%2Fplain Is bcrypt.c still under the 4 term license? Should the third term be removed? Why don't you ask the copyright owner i.e. Niels Provos? He's the only one who can decide that. Okay. I will try asking him. Thank you. -- Aaron Patterson http://tenderlovemaking.com/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: bcrypt.c licensing
I have a question about the license for bcrypt.c. The OpenBSD policy page (http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html) says: Berkeley rescinded the 3rd term (the advertising term) on 22 July 1999. Verbatim copies of the Berkeley license in the OpenBSD tree have that term removed. That applies to the files gotten *from Berkeley*. In addition, many 3rd-party BSD-style licenses consist solely of the first two terms. You have found a file which does not fall into this list of many. This file is apparently one of the files behind the use of the word many instead of the word all. But bcrypt.c still contains the 3rd term: http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/lib/libc/crypt/bcrypt.c?rev=1.24; content-type=text%2Fplain Is bcrypt.c still under the 4 term license? As you can see in the file, yup. Should the third term be removed? Only if that author says so.
Re: Latest snapshot packages: Interloper?
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 01:34:47PM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 18:28:10 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: On 06/19/11 18:19, Rod Whitworth wrote: This popped up as the first file (in name order) when I went to see if there was a new bunch of pkgs to go with the install iso I'm downloading: ftp://ftp.ca.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/i386/.marathonin finity-0.0.20090509p0.tgz.RrgZXP WTF? Enquiring minds and all that A temp file from rsync, possibly in progress? Must have been. Funny that I've not seen one of those before. The leading dot puts it at the top and I often scan for updated packages after I've downloaded a snap install iso. this definitely happens on the mirror i run, which pulls from upstream via rsync -- jared
Sendmail+SSL+SASL
Hello misc, I'm trying to configure OpenBSD4.9 with Sendmail as a mail server and so far, so good, I have a configuration with static IP, masked and with ssl support, but I can not figure out how to implement sasl, someonehas a link where to find information and guides on the subject? thanks
-I-
I have just installed OpenBSD 4.9 and when i try to compile an ansi C source file it complains about using -I- and suggest -iquote. What is that? What does -iquote means ? May some one help me?
Re: Sendmail+SSL+SASL
On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:24:11 +0200 gdrm g...@opensrv.org wrote: Hello misc, I'm trying to configure OpenBSD4.9 with Sendmail as a mail server and so far, so good, I have a configuration with static IP, masked and with ssl support, but I can not figure out how to implement sasl, someonehas a link where to find information and guides on the subject? thanks # man starttls (as referenced in the sendmail manpage.) or have a look at the sendmail website? or just use postfix and be a lot happier. ;)
Re: Sendmail+SSL+SASL
On 2011-06-21, at 4:24 PM, gdrm wrote: Hello misc, I'm trying to configure OpenBSD4.9 with Sendmail as a mail server and so far, so good, I have a configuration with static IP, masked and with ssl support, but I can not figure out how to implement sasl, someonehas a link where to find information and guides on the subject? thanks 1) You have to have a file /usr/local/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf with pwcheck_method: saslauthd 2) man 8 saslauthd has the detailed info and please read it. I start saslauthd -a getpwent in rc.local 3) Create your users using saslpasswd2 4) /usr/share/sendmail README has a lot of the smtpauth details. Please read that as well. HTH, Vijay Sankar vsan...@foretell.ca
Re: -I-
Hi Friedrich,
Friedrich Locke wrote on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 06:42:22PM -0300:
I have just installed OpenBSD 4.9 and when i try to compile an ansi C
source file it complains about using -I- and suggest -iquote.
What is that? What does -iquote means ?
To get you started, read gcc(1) and search for -I- and -iquote
in particular. Both are explained in the manual.
May some one help me?
Not really, you provide too little information to work on.
We can only guess. When asking for help, in general:
- provide the exact commands you type;
- briefly state what you expect to happen;
- and provide the exact and complete output.
When asking about compilers, providing a *minimal* code sample
exhibiting the problem helps as well.
Like this:
$ echo 'int main() { return 0; }' testfile.c
$ gcc -I. -I- -I /usr/include testfile.c
cc1: note: obsolete option -I- used, please use -iquote instead
That's just a warning, inviting you to talk in a less archaic way.
Yours,
Ingo
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Can command-line options be specified in any place?
Hi, I'm considering migrating my desktop from Linux to OpenBSD but the main feature that kept me away from *BSD world for over a decade since I've first tried FreeBSD was the one that options must only be specified after command before any arguments. (At least that is true for basic commands). For example on Linux a command ls -l foo -h will print the foo's size with suffix (K, M, G, etc.). On *BSD (including Mac OS X) I get error message: ls: -h: No such file or directory Is there an easy way to get the desired behavior on OpenBSD? If that can only be achieved by patching system's sources is there a standard way to maintain my personal set of patches so that they will be automatically applied every time I upgrade system? Best regards, Vadim.
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
vadi...@gmail.com wrote on Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 07:39:31PM -0400: ls -l foo -h That's ugly, useless and dangerous. Is there an easy way to get the desired behavior on OpenBSD? No. We don't desire it. If you want Linux, use Linux.
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 6:39 PM, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm considering migrating my desktop from Linux to OpenBSD but the main feature that kept me away from *BSD world for over a decade since I've first tried FreeBSD was the one that options must only be specified after command before any arguments. (At least that is true for basic commands). For example on Linux a command B ls -l foo -h will print the foo's size with suffix (K, M, G, etc.). On *BSD (including Mac OS X) I get error message: B ls: -h: No such file or directory Is there an easy way to get the desired behavior on OpenBSD? If that can only be achieved by patching system's sources is there a standard way to maintain my personal set of patches so that they will be automatically applied every time I upgrade system? Best regards, Vadim. It would be more useful to fix your scripts...
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
Please continue to use Linux. That's ugly, useless and dangerous. Oops, looks like that was a holy war type of question. Sorry I did not want to start that. If you want Linux, use Linux. It's not that I want specifically Linux. I've just decided to look for a system that cat satisfy me from the usability point of view. I do not care if that will be Linux or *BSD or Solaris or whatever else. The main idea was that the work with the system should be a pleasure, not a pain :)
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
On 2011-06-22 03.03, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Please continue to use Linux. That's ugly, useless and dangerous. Oops, looks like that was a holy war type of question. Sorry I did not want to start that. If you want Linux, use Linux. It's not that I want specifically Linux. I've just decided to look for a system that cat satisfy me from the usability point of view. I do not care if that will be Linux or *BSD or Solaris or whatever else. The main idea was that the work with the system should be a pleasure, not a pain :) What you should do is relearn the proper way. :-) Consider the fact that Unix have been around since the 1970's, and the *BSD flavor is as direct a descendant of the original look, feel and intent as you can possibly find today. Linux is, in that regard, an abomination. It's the bastard child of someone not properly trained in the unix way, who made stuff up as he went without regard for history, continuity, elegance or, for that matter, backwards compatibility. I feel the same way as you do, only the other way around. I really can't stand using a linux system for any length of time. Everything is similar, but different. Or different, but similar. And so darn stupid! Linus didn't do his homework properly. That, combined with the fact that Linux became such a huge success is both a blessing and a curse to us in the unix community; on the one hand Linux provides us with plenty of young blood in a new generation of hackers... while on the other hand they can't speak properly! It's as if they've accidentally gone to veterinary school instead of medical school, without knowing it. Sure, they'd know just as much about anatomy as a real doctor would, but take my advice: if you're not a horse, don't go there for your pains... Regards, /Benny -- internetlabbet.se / work: +46 8 551 124 80 / Words must Benny LC6fgren/ mobile: +46 70 718 11 90 / be weighed, / fax:+46 8 551 124 89/not counted. /email: benny -at- internetlabbet.se
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
It is pretty clear you are a troll.
Can one interface have an IP address and bridge as well?
Folks, Is this possible and/or a good idea? I have a router with three interfaces: sis0: external interface, IPv4 address 1.2.3.4/24 sis1: internal interface, IPv4 address 192.168.1.1/24 sis2: DMZ interface, IPv4 address 192.168.2.1/24 NAT rules pass all traffic from the internal and DMZ zones through the external IP address. I have a couple of servers with IPv4 addresses 192.168.2.2 and 192.168.2.3 in the DMZ, with rdr-to rules that send traffic in to them from 1.2.3.4. I need to place a server at 1.2.3.5, and the software I have to run needs the server itself to have the IPv4 address 1.2.3.5 -- I can't NAT it and give the server the address 192.168.2.4 in the DMZ. (Don't ask. *shudder*) Can I set up a bridge between sis0 and sis2 so that traffic for 1.2.3.5 gets passed through to the server via sis2 as well as having the IPv4 address 1.2.3.4 on sis0? Or is there a better way to do this? --Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s]
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
Consider the fact that Unix have been around since the 1970's, and the *BSD flavor is as direct a descendant of the original look, feel and intent as you can possibly find today. Linux is, in that regard, an abomination. It's the bastard child of someone not properly trained in the unix way, who made stuff up as he went without regard for history, continuity, elegance or, for that matter, backwards compatibility. history, continuity and backwards compatibility. That would apply to all BSDs and all Unixes. You get tweaking all the time, over the years all codebases would diverge. And you shouldn't blindly respect any particular thing. The opensource world for the most part doesn't. :-) I feel the same way as you do, only the other way around. I really can't stand using a linux system for any length of time. Everything is similar, but different. Or different, but similar. And so darn stupid! Linus didn't do his homework properly. That, combined with the fact that Linux became such a huge success is both a blessing and a curse to us in the unix community; on the one hand Linux provides us with plenty of young blood in a new generation of hackers... while on the other hand they can't speak properly! Yep, in some cases they speak way too fast, and change their protocol every two years just for the heck of it. It's as if they've accidentally gone to veterinary school instead of medical school, without knowing it. Sure, they'd know just as much about anatomy as a real doctor would, but take my advice: if you're not a horse, don't go there for your pains... In the real world, doctors learn their stuff as they go along too. A vet's job is more challenging than a human doctor, think of the differing but similar anatomies. Unfortunately, vet patients can't sue yet (they might do it yet, what with the spread of technology in these here parts) for any mistakes.
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
On 22 June 2011 11:48, Benny Lofgren bl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: Linux is, in that regard, an abomination. It's the bastard child of someone not properly trained in the unix way, who made stuff up as he went without regard for history, continuity, elegance or, for that matter, backwards compatibility. Fair points, I suppose, but this gripe is really about glibc and its getopt/getopt_long, not Linux. No? John
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
On Jun 21, 2011, at 18:48, Benny Lofgren bl-li...@lofgren.biz wrote: On 2011-06-22 03.03, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Please continue to use Linux. That's ugly, useless and dangerous. Oops, looks like that was a holy war type of question. Sorry I did not want to start that. It's not. Linus didn't do his homework properly. That, combined with the fact that Linux became such a huge success is both a blessing and a curse to us in the unix community; on the one hand Linux provides us with plenty of young blood in a new generation of hackers... while on the other hand they can't speak properly! Laying the blame on Linus isn't really correct. The environment of the Linux toolchain is from GNU. Blame starts and ends there.
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
Sorry I really did not want to start any flame. I just thought that getting answer from the mailing list would be faster than spending my time studying source code of the new system. What you should do is relearn the proper way. :-) Ok, let me turn my question the other way around. Suppose I typed ls -l /some/very/long/path/to/file and the file is too big so I want to use -h option. I use a text terminal so I can not use mouse to position cursor. How people usually handle this on *BSD systems?
Re: Can one interface have an IP address and bridge as well?
Heya On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Paul Suh pl...@goodeast.com wrote: Folks, Is this possible and/or a good idea? I have a router with three interfaces: sis0: external interface, IPv4 address 1.2.3.4/24 sis1: internal interface, IPv4 address 192.168.1.1/24 sis2 http://192.168.1.1/24sis2: DMZ interface, IPv4 address 192.168.2.1/24 NAT rules pass all traffic from the internal and DMZ zones through the external IP address. I have a couple of servers with IPv4 addresses 192.168.2.2 and 192.168.2.3 in the DMZ, with rdr-to rules that send traffic in to them from 1.2.3.4. I need to place a server at 1.2.3.5, and the software I have to run needs the server itself to have the IPv4 address 1.2.3.5 -- I can't NAT it and give the server the address 192.168.2.4 in the DMZ. (Don't ask. *shudder*) Can I set up a bridge between sis0 and sis2 so that traffic for 1.2.3.5 gets passed through to the server via sis2 as well as having the IPv4 address 1.2.3.4 on sis0? Or is there a better way to do this? --Paul [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] I personally would check to see if you could get a /30 routed to 1.2.3.4. 5.6.7.8 - 5.6.7.11 Append one of the /30 to the sis2 interface, and the other to your new server. If 1.2.3.4 1.2.3.5 are part of a bigger block that you own, see if you can't allocate a /30 from that larger pool. ( 1.2.3.8 - 1.2.3.11 ?? ) Shane
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
On Jun 21, 2011, at 20:20, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I really did not want to start any flame. I just thought that getting answer from the mailing list would be faster than spending my time studying source code of the new system. What you should do is relearn the proper way. :-) Ok, let me turn my question the other way around. Suppose I typed ls -l /some/very/long/path/to/file and the file is too big so I want to use -h option. I use a text terminal so I can not use mouse to position cursor. How people usually handle this on *BSD systems? I use Bash and OpenBSD's ksh. In both CTRL-a gets me back to the beginning of the line. A short google search turns up these two handy references for Bash, the favored son of shells on Linux. Vi mode: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/bash-vi-editing-mode-cheat-sheet Alternatively, emacs mode: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/bash-emacs-editing-mode-cheat-sheet/
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry I really did not want to start any flame. I just thought that getting answer from the mailing list would be faster than spending my time studying source code of the new system. What you should do is relearn the proper way. :-) Ok, let me turn my question the other way around. Suppose I typed ls -l /some/very/long/path/to/file and the file is too big so I want to use -h option. I use a text terminal so I can not use mouse to position cursor. How people usually handle this on *BSD systems? ^A plus a few M-f's
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
you can compile gnu coreutils the reason posix and bsd dont allow options after operands is because it complicates the implementation of getopt and it introduces ambiguity, specially with options that take arguments the gnu getopt has to look at the first characters of every argv member unless -- is used, which is inconvenient in interactive shells On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 7:09 PM, vadi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm considering migrating my desktop from Linux to OpenBSD but the main feature that kept me away from *BSD world for over a decade since I've first tried FreeBSD was the one that options must only be specified after command before any arguments. (At least that is true for basic commands). For example on Linux a command B ls -l foo -h will print the foo's size with suffix (K, M, G, etc.). On *BSD (including Mac OS X) I get error message: B ls: -h: No such file or directory Is there an easy way to get the desired behavior on OpenBSD? If that can only be achieved by patching system's sources is there a standard way to maintain my personal set of patches so that they will be automatically applied every time I upgrade system? Best regards, Vadim.
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
On 6/21/11, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote: I use Bash and OpenBSD's ksh. In both CTRL-a gets me back to the beginning of the line. I use zsh in vi mode. So Esc, Shift+6, f, -, a, h (total 7 keys) or ls -lh !!$ (total 10 keys). Just adding -h requires pressing 3 keys. Looks like I'm too lazy for BSD :)
Re: Can command-line options be specified in any place?
you can compile gnu coreutils Thank you. That sounds like a good idea. I'll try that. If you want pleasure and usability point of view, you are not looking in the good place. Stay with Linux. Linux started to disappoint me to the point when I decided to try something else. OpenBSD has its own objectives. Clean good code and security. That's why I started my search with OpenBSD.
