Re: Considering a Raspberry Pi 4 Model B, but a bit lost...
Am 02.02.22 um 06:42 schrieb Steve Williams: 4. Did some Raspberry Pi's come with a micro sd slot or something? There's mention of using a small SD card as well as having a USB device for OpenBSD... this doesn't seem to apply to Pi 4 B as there are only USB ports... There are comparative RPi HW tables: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Hardware or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Specifications
Re: [misc] Re: What’s new in OpenNSD 7.0 NYC*Bug meeting
Am 27.10.21 um 11:04 schrieb Laura Smith: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Tuesday, October 26th, 2021 at 01:38, wrote: I wouldn't trust Zoom any further than I'd trust Skype. Whilst there are certainly arguments for not trusting Zoom, I think perhaps we need to take a step back here. The reality is that whilst die-hard graybeard open-sourcers take an attitude that "if its not open source it doesn't exist" we have to understand what a service like Zoom (other similarly large commercial video conferencing platforms are available) bring to the table. In particular they bring two aspects: 1) User familiarity. Let's face it, one thing COVID has done is exposed the entire world to the joys (and frustrations) of web conferencing. The honest truth is that most people will have been exposed multiple times to Zoom (and Teams, WebEx and other commercial platorms), they'll already have the software on their devices and become comfortable with its use. 2) Dealing with geographic dispersion. The problem with small-scale (or DIY) conferencing is that you do not have the worldwide presence. This means you cannot deliver a CDN style experience to your delegates where they connect to low-latency to an in-country/in-region datacentre and instead they have to connect accross the world to your server. 3) Zoom specific If you have a paid Zoom account, there are various knobs and dials you can tweak in order to help with some of the concerns generally thrown in the direction of Zoom (e.g "no China datacentres", E2E encryption etc.). Not saying its perfect, but better than nothing. You frame the question as a puppet theater with "characters" tied to specific organizations, and as commercial publicity (official or otherwise). But you completely miss the point. So, let's face this (reusing and amending your reductionist expression of blindfolding with incomplete information). Quality takes knowledge, effort and time. If you accept low quality and get yourself and others used to it, people will get used to low quality and we end up with a low quality ecosystem, and then people learn to accept that as normal and even unchangeable, even make rules and laws out of it (this includes monopols, e.g. patents or NDAs etc.) and in the last consequence disturb the quality creators with arms or other hassles. One last step might be to make a religion out of it. In such a scenario of degradation of quality anyone who produces a degraded product will win the whole market due to economic advantages/constraints and armed menacers as a backup against unflinching creatives. It's better to strive for quality instead of haste and least-effort-fast-buck commodity. Maybe one might accept a degraded product in an emergency situation as a pre-alpha preview test with the associated risks to be amended as soon as possible with real experts. So, you missed to mention the MANY possible unintended consequences, drawbacks and risks if you allow a potential trojan haste (sic!) in your environment.
bridge with unexpected ping forwarding
I have a router-to-be with 4 NICs, on which ip-forwarding is not yet enabled (and with OpenBSD 6.6). One IF has an IP on one network segment and the three other IFs are bridged together, with one of the three having an IP on another network segment. When I pinged the first IF, which should be alone on it's network segment, from a machine connected to one of the three bridged together IFs, I got a ping reply. I didn't expect it because forwarding is not enabled. What's going on here? Am I missing something?
Re: Hardware for Access Point on OpenBSD
Am 03.01.20 um 14:22 schrieb Marios Makassikis: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 at 14:04, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> these somewhere on wikidevi.com but > wikidevi.com was shut down 2019/10/31. > My understanding is that the operator(s) provided a db dump to archive.org: > https://archive.org/details/wikidevi > > It appears the data is "living on" on techinfodepot: > http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page > Indeed. I also didn't know that. Thank you for the info. Here's a mini bit of background: https://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=122456 https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/djpmp5/wikidevi_will_be_going_offline_20191031/ https://forum.openwrt.org/t/wikidevi-going-down-soon/45299/4 E.g. this tells us that it was (at least: kind of) planned, and with pre-annoucement and safety-net for others to continue it. There is also some discussion about the alternative and even alternative alternatives, e.g. for instance: https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/
Re: APU2 fails to boot on OpenBSD 6.6-current #521
Am 13.12.19 um 22:52 schrieb Alexander Pluhar:
>> Just upgraded my APU2 to the latest -current and it seems to hang on the
>> disk.
>> It was fine running on -current #512.
> I encountered this problem on 6.6 stable with the latest syspatches installed
> after
> updating the APU firmware[1] to 4.11.0.1.
>
> It worked again after downgrading to 4.10.0.3.
>
> [1] https://pcengines.github.io
Same behavior here trying to install 6.6 stable on a fresh apu4d4 unit.
The device was delivered with a rather old ("legacy") "coreboot build
20190402 / BIOS version v4.0.24". The console didn't work correctly,
different USB sticks were not read reliably, the installer
(install66.fs) kept crashing after boot, if the boot was reached at all.
Got it to work starting the apu2-tinycore6.4.img from SD-Card and
reflashing a recent firmware version.
Tried the most recent 4.11.0.1 first, unfortunately: with firmware
4.11.0.1 again all kinds of not correctly reading USB 3.0 devices or
detecting an internal mSATA, again not even the console was reliable.
Had to boot the apu2-tinycore6.4.img from SD-Card again to get to a
reliable root prompt and reflash the downgrade to firmware version 4.10.0.3.
After downgrading to 4.10.0.3 everything is normal. Installing on the
mSATA was easy as it should be, and now I'm happily running 6.6 on it.
Here
https://github.com/drduh/PC-Engines-APU-Router-Guide/blob/master/README.md
is a good howto for all this.
Re: Disable ftp in pkg_add syspatch sysupgrade
Am 30.10.19 um 07:32 schrieb tom ryan:
> On 2019-10-29 20:19, PJ wrote:
>> Am 28.10.19 um 23:52 schrieb Stuart Henderson:
>>> On 2019-10-28, Andy Lemin wrote:
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if it is possible to completely disable ftp in the
>>>> package management utilities; pkg_add, syspatch, sysupgrade etc?
>>>>
>>>> My PKG_PATH references http:// urls, as does /etc/install. But I cannot
>>>> stop these tools trying to use ftp which does not work! :(
>>> Can you show some example URLs, for example from "pgrep -lf ftp" while
>>> trying to use one of these utilities?
>>>
>>> The only place I would expect to see ftp:// URLs used
>> grep ftp /usr/sbin/sysupgrade
> $ grep -ne ftp -e URL -e MIRROR /usr/sbin/sysupgrade
> 102:0) MIRROR=$(sed 's/#.*//;/^$/d' /etc/installurl) 2>/dev/null ||
> 103:MIRROR=https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD
> 105:1) MIRROR=$1
> 117:URL=${MIRROR}/snapshots/${ARCH}/
> 119:URL=${MIRROR}/${NEXT_VERSION}/${ARCH}/
> 136:unpriv -f SHA256.sig ftp -Vmo SHA256.sig ${URL}SHA256.sig
> 176:unpriv -f $f ftp -Vmo ${f} ${URL}${f}
>
> Your point?
I understand that I misread the question, sorry.
>>> is when fetching
>>> certain distfiles while building some things from ports (and they would
>>> usually fallback to http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles if
>>> the ftp fetch failed)..
Re: Disable ftp in pkg_add syspatch sysupgrade
Am 28.10.19 um 23:52 schrieb Stuart Henderson: > On 2019-10-28, Andy Lemin wrote: >> Hi guys, >> >> Does anyone know if it is possible to completely disable ftp in the package >> management utilities; pkg_add, syspatch, sysupgrade etc? >> >> My PKG_PATH references http:// urls, as does /etc/install. But I cannot stop >> these tools trying to use ftp which does not work! :( > Can you show some example URLs, for example from "pgrep -lf ftp" while > trying to use one of these utilities? > > The only place I would expect to see ftp:// URLs used grep ftp /usr/sbin/sysupgrade > is when fetching > certain distfiles while building some things from ports (and they would > usually fallback to http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/distfiles if > the ftp fetch failed).. > > >
also want simplicity and correctness - was: Re: When will be created a great desktop experience for OpenBSD?
> It's like using ed or vi over MS or Libre Office. I like to have "simple" software in the means of the software or more precise its authors don't anticipate what I want to do. Well said. I've been thrown over by every software I used so far. My most important projects last longer than any software or indeed even hardware I used. There are too many people doing too many things they don't really oversee well enough in projects too big to be understood. Software seems to be about these modern abacuses, but in fact it's about people communicating, once a single person can't do the whole thing alone any more. Communicating about APIs and being strictly honest about every aspect of it, that is, and this is where mismatches create problems all over the board, including security ones. That's also why having the source is so important, to see what it really does. Its a question of mismatch of expectations on one side and complete and precise documentation on the other, besides the correctness of the protocol and software engineering in itself, of course. The source is an Essential part of the documentation. Not distributing it could be the first step to trickery. Many people think that security holes are unavoidable, but to me it's just bad engineering, computers are still deterministic, after all. To me some aspects of the solution are simple data formats and least software complexity, decluttering and diligent engineering. As far as I'm concerned, the foundation of OpenBSD seems to be a radical cultural one, e.g. to be very strict about refusing what one doesn't want. Radical self-determination after thorough reflection. This really makes a difference in a world like today's where dishonest trickery in order to roll others over for one's only gain is so widespread. That's another way to thank you Team. Peer signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Patch for sysupgrade of a disc constrained net4801
Hi misc! I just successfully sysupgraded a net4801 with a 4GB CFdisk from 6.5 to 6.6. The net4801 has no display hardware so I wanted to delete the unused sets before rebooting, using "sysupgrade -n". I also don't need to compile on the system (which thanks to "syspatch" should not be necessary), so the "comp" set could also be deleted, as well as the games. The problem in my situation was a "/home" of just 376M, and that "sysupgrade -n" loads all sets into a "/home/_sysupgrade" directory before stopping, and the downloaded sets (it loads ALL the ".tgz" sets referenced in SHA256, besides other files) didn't fit in! That's why the sysupgrade stopped with an error, and the later part of this utility -- which verifies sets, creates the "/auto_update.conf" file and installs the "/bsd.upgrade" kernel --, didn't run. So the system was not ready to reboot into the upgrade kernel. So I modified a copy of the sysupgrade script of the 6.5 system to only *download* the scripts I needed (no delete necessary). Since others may need to upgrade in similar situations, I created a patch against the sysupgrade script (of the 6.6 system, e.g. after the upgrade, but it's almost identical to the 6.5 one) so that you may see how this can be done: I echoed the original sets to the console, redefined the sets I need, and re-echoed these so I could check if everything looks good. Once I was satisfied, I removed the "return" command to let the "sysupgrade -n" run to it's end. After checking that the upgrade files seemed to be at their place, the reboot worked just as planned. Once figured out it's really simple. This old net4801 is slow, but it's nice because it has 7 NICs. KARL's kernel relinking takes quite some time though (but it's not often rebooted). One alix to go ... Thanks to the OpenBSD team for all these tools, and to those who reported their mishaps in similar situations. Peer *** /usr/sbin/sysupgrade Sat Oct 12 18:52:33 2019 --- sysupgrade Fri Oct 25 02:02:11 2019 *** *** 1,6 #!/bin/ksh # ! # $OpenBSD: sysupgrade.sh,v 1.25 2019/09/28 17:30:07 ajacoutot Exp $ # # Copyright (c) 1997-2015 Todd Miller, Theo de Raadt, Ken Westerback # Copyright (c) 2015 Robert Peichaer --- 1,6 #!/bin/ksh # ! # $OpenBSD$ # # Copyright (c) 1997-2015 Todd Miller, Theo de Raadt, Ken Westerback # Copyright (c) 2015 Robert Peichaer *** *** 158,163 --- 158,172 # INSTALL.*, bsd*, *.tgz SETS=$(sed -n -e 's/^SHA256 (\(.*\)) .*/\1/' \ -e '/^INSTALL\./p;/^bsd/p;/\.tgz$/p' SHA256) + + echo "===" + echo "$SETS" + echo "---" + SETS="INSTALL.i386\nbsd\nbsd.rd\nbase66.tgz\nman66.tgz" + echo "---" + echo "$SETS" + echo "===" + return #Comment out this line once you are satisfied with the set selection. OLD_FILES=$(ls) OLD_FILES=$(rmel SHA256 $OLD_FILES)
Re: boot disk ???
Chris Dukes wrote: Phil, After looking through your belligerence here and through http://marc.info/?a=11841782285r=1w=2 I have one question, what the hell is your end goal? As far as I can determine, getting OpenBSD or FreeBSD to run is only a perceived line item to that goal. Ditto for learning PHP. My current belief if that you're attempting to kludge together a platform for web development. However, you'd probably be better off seeing if what you're trying to develop can be implemented on an existing web content management system, preferably one deployed and maintained by the hosting provider. Oh, and you might want to strike ptahhotep.com from your .sig, you let it expire back in June. Hi Chris, Thanks for replying and for your concern. Indeed, the website expired through negligence... actually it was reinstated a day or so after, once I learned it had happened... it's my daughter's site and I didn't pay much attention to it. There was some confusion with the reinstate and now I'm being raped for $100 when a renew normally costs $20 with these greedy people at domainprocessor. I use a very reasonalbe Canadian registrar who only charges something like $6 or $7. I have been using my web host for many years and know exactly what he is using and therefore I am using the very programs that work on his installation; have been doing that for some years. As for learning PHP all that is associated is a never-ending process. Unfortunately FreeBSD became a nuisance and a stumblilng block. I found that their philosophy or way of doing things has been somewhat snobbish and this confusing for end users. I must point out that I am not the only one to have had problems with them (especially the latest 7.2 version) as I found in several replies to my inquiries on their mailing list. There are issues with the upgrading and updating methods which are not clear as to what should be used with what or with what not (if that is clear); there is portsnap, cvsup, porupgrade, portmaster numerous tools dealing with the ports/packages and they tend to step on each others toes. The end of the line was some problem with installing or reinstallling some xcb related program and when I thereafter started up Xwindows all hell brok out... the screen went black and there was no way to gracefully shut down except by stopping with the start button on the machine. Rebooting was impossible either to FreeBSD or XP. I then took the computer apart, did the same with the server which was already down, reconfigured everything, recovered the files that were important (php and mysql data files) and prepared to start installing OpenBSD. Well, I suddenly found myself with an impossible situation: impossible to boot from the server on which I had just installed a brand new dvd/cd drive. I regrettably thought that the problem was with the boot disk as I had never experienced this kind of problem before... ever in some 15yrs of tinkering with computers. I have still not resolved the problem as I have been able to determine that both the boot disk and the drive are fine and work on other machines. But try what I may, I am unable to get the drive to function on boot-up. I have 2 motherboards MSI-6758 875P NEO-FISR, one 3ghz the other, server 2.4ghz. The same LG: GH22NP20 drive kind of hobbles on the desktop (writes ok, but does not read - a bit weird, wouldn't you say?) and the server wont boot from the drive no matter what settings I try. The desktop has a Sony dvd/cd writer/player and it fnctions without any problem whatsoever... makes no sense to me... I am now in contact with MSI hope they will have some insight... This is unbelievably frustrating that things are just getting more and more screwed up. So, there you have the long story... hope somebody can benefit from it; I sure haven't. :'( -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ???
neal hogan wrote: Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts Is that an apology for your obnoxious behavior (in your very first misc@ thread, I might add)? We all have had trouble at one time or another and if you would have opened up about what you've done and with what, you may have gotten more help. You stil have yet to provide answers to many of the basic, help-inducing questions that have been asked. I hope you provide more info tomorrow (after you've rested and calmed down), so that we can get our situation under control. Indeed it is an apology... the only excuse I can possilby have is that there is so much misinformation or lack of information (I'm doing by best to not say 'stupidity') around that is just drives you nuts. How can you get clear information about such essential things as the configuration options in the bios? How can you find out what option you should use with what hardware? And why would you use P-ATA or S-ATA or both and how does one setting affect either? And then, how does Legacy or Native affect things if they are P-ATA of S-ATA? And why is the setting for the dvd/cd drive different if it is AUTO or CD-ROM or ARMD ... and how does the 32 Bit Transfer Mode affect the drive and what is ARMD anyway? It's not explained in the manual... How in hell can you be master of your own computer if you can't get the information to manage it? I just posted an answer to Chris Dukes about my adventure... more detail there. Anyway, I still can't boot from the drive and it's not the drive or the disk... and I can't understand if, how or why the bios may be involved in this... the drive shows up correctly, it starts to read the disk but just does not see whatever it is looking for... it asks to inset a bootable disk... so where does this lead us? I know the drive works on other machines as I had it verified at the store... and sure enough... no problem... what have I got here, the doomsday machine from hell... must be 2 of them as the other machine is identical except for cpu and minor differences... but it also has the same LG: GH22NP20 dvd/cd drive (that one writes very fast to disk but it doesn't read--that is, when loaded, the disk is seen in filemanager but when one tries to access it, it is not found!) Figure that out! Oh, well, just another day blown...I think I'm ready to go back to Mars. PJ -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ???
Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. Maybe you could be more specific... What do you mean by end goal? Perhaps my thinking is too abstract for you... If you mean why am I asking for help? or if it's about setting up OpenBSD, it's that I need an OS that is functional and reliable and more-or-less user friendly. MS is out as it is non of the above (user friendly, maybe if you're an idiot). FreeBSD used to be great but just slid downhill... Linux is too spread-out and has too many threads... I don't care for their confusing philosophies... I haven't looked at NetBSD but have heard of it and I like what I heard about OpenBSD from Neal. Now what is the purpose of this interrogation? I made a mistake about the boot disk, and I'm sorry. I jumped to conclusions. But I really had no other options at the time... I still don't know what is wrong in this rather unusual and extremely rare situation. I can only assume that any dvd/cd writer that is current on the market and that I have on other machines will work on this one. And, strangely, other dvd/cd drives have worked without problem on this machine as well... so why, is it this machine and this drive when all else functions well... What else am I to look for? -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ???
Chris Dukes wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 12:54:12PM -0400, PJ wrote: [ A lot of crap snipped ] Phil, You failed to answer the question. What the hell is your end goal? I have a simpler question for you. Are you too incompetent to answer a question like What the hell is your end goal? A) Yes B) No C) I don't know If you fail to answer A, B, or C, it will lead us to believe that yes, you are that incompetent. If you answer B and fail to provide a 1-5 sentence answer to What the hell is your end goal? we will assume that you are that incompetent. Most people here have already decided that you are that incompetent. They are enjoying an opportunity to make fun of your incompetence. I'm giving you the brief benefit of the doubt that the trials and tribulations of your life lead you to describe the metaphorical alligators you are wrestling rather than the metaphorical matter you need to drain the swamp. BTW, you will notice that no one on the list was bright enought to suggest checking the machine or the dvd/cd drive... I found that by my own little stupid, arrogant self. you were all so emotionally intent of saving your asses that you couldn't function with intellectual clarity... I could accept being called a fool and stupid and whatever you want but if you guys are so smart and clever, why didn't anyone think to suggest looking at alternate possibilitiies. Forget it... I've managed by myself so far, and wont have any trouble doing on my own... Sorry to have awakened anyone. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ???
Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: I've managed by myself so far Except, really, you haven't, because you apparently (unless I've missed something) You did miss everything... if you were paying attention and not emotionally hyped up (I just love provoking) you would have seen that I fixed my problems with FreeBSD by myself, saved the crah, the files, the OS (XP) and did make the right cd. And you like the rest of your emotionally crippled buddies didn't think that there might be something else in the bag of worms. No one thought of other problems, like, maybe there's something awry in the bios or drive configuration or the mb itself... I thought of that and found the malady but not yet the cure... Indeed I will find it and will save you the trouble of bothering to learn anything... ciao, baby and hasta la vista. :-* still can't make a bootable .iso. You come in and ask what are charitably described as ignorant questions, immediately blaming everything and everyone but yourself. You seem to have narrowed it down to a hardware issue...except that that still doesn't seem to be it. So it looks more and more like it's coming down to PEBCAK. But, hey, if you want to throw a pity party because those riding the intertruck are being mean to you, go right ahead. Just don't expect anybody else to think you're holy because you've nailed yourself to a cross. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ??? closed
Michael wrote: PJ, you wrote (in part) I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! If burning files or images worked before, why should we think it was/is an hardware or bios problem? On 8/6/09, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Bret S. Lambert wrote: On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 02:24:21PM -0400, PJ wrote: I've managed by myself so far Except, really, you haven't, because you apparently (unless I've missed something) You did miss everything... if you were paying attention and not emotionally hyped up (I just love provoking) you would have seen that I fixed my problems with FreeBSD by myself, saved the crah, the files, the OS (XP) and did make the right cd. And you like the rest of your emotionally crippled buddies didn't think that there might be something else in the bag of worms. No one thought of other problems, like, maybe there's something awry in the bios or drive configuration or the mb itself... I thought of that and found the malady but not yet the cure... Indeed I will find it and will save you the trouble of bothering to learn anything... ciao, baby and hasta la vista. :-* still can't make a bootable .iso. You come in and ask what are charitably described as ignorant questions, immediately blaming everything and everyone but yourself. You seem to have narrowed it down to a hardware issue...except that that still doesn't seem to be it. So it looks more and more like it's coming down to PEBCAK. But, hey, if you want to throw a pity party because those riding the intertruck are being mean to you, go right ahead. Just don't expect anybody else to think you're holy because you've nailed yourself to a cross. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php I'd say you are making assumptions and not looking at the problem as a whole. I suggest we close this topic as it is wearisome and not going anywhere...forget all this nonselse, I'll figure it out by myself...and with a few leads from someof the nicer guys on the list... they know who they are... So, drop it... and amici come prima PJ -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
boot disk ???
What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ???
STeve Andre' wrote: On Wednesday 05 August 2009 15:15:13 PJ wrote: What am I missing here? Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... It would help very much if you would state where you got the image from, ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/i386/cd45.iso and also try making another copy of it and trying that. What happens when you try booting? Obviously, if I hadn't tried to boot I wouldn't be asking here; but I'll humor you ;-) ...: Searching for Boot Record from CD/DVD-0..Not Found Boot Failure Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device Press any key when ready You can always create a boot floppy and do an ftp install if you are having CD problems. It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. But I guess I'm a glutton for frustration and I was just laughing at myself. Now what. This is a great start for a new system. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
Re: boot disk ???
Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: Burning the iso image of install45.iso does not create a bootable disk. Strange. The installNN.iso images are definitely meant to be bootable. When I have not had easy access to a real CD set, I have at times booted and installed machines from disks burned from those files, so I suspect the missing bit is how the disks were burned. This is not a very good beginning for someone who has just decided to trash FreeBSD. FBSDs disks boot with no problem... Not a good beginning, but unless there's some odd detail we're missing, if you're able to boot FreeBSD there is normally no reason why an OpenBSD installer disk for the appropriate platform should fail to boot. The first question should probably be, did you verify that the .iso file matched the checksum before you burned it to disk? Checksums match! If the file was corrupted, that would be a good reason why you could not get it to boot. Once you've cleared that hurdle, It would help a lot with more details about the hardware, what image file you are using and where it came from (ie is it the i386 one, the amd64 one, off an official mirror site, or something different) and what application and options you use to burn the CD. I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! Burning CD images to DVD media does not always work, for example (probably a stupid one that risks insistent contradictions, but well,), so any detail you supply could be helpful in sorting out whatever the problem is. It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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Nick Guenther wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:08 PM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: It really pisses me off that everyone assumes that the poor sap who is asking for help is too stupid to have done things right and they just forget that maybe the problem is in the SOURCE ! I know what a bootable image usually looks like... but neither of those I downloaded look right. Unless, of course the booting is supposed to be done in some incomprehesible way from some other operating system in some mysterious way that is not spelled out anywhere where I can find it, anyway. :-) Sorry, but I'm ust laughing all theway back to FreeBSD... they may be fucked-up but at least I can managed to figure out how to to deal with them. I liked the idea of how your head honcho runs things and the general response to the OS, but by gosh and by golly, Molly, somebody ai'nt got the steering sheel pointed right! That pisses me off too but a lot of the time there is something stupid going on. Seriously, did you check the md5? You really need to clear all the basics before whining around here. Like someone said, if install45.iso wasn't bootable in general it would have been fixed by now; if it isn't bootable on your particular machine that's a different issue, and you should post the machine's specs, possibly a dmesg (get one from FreeBSD?). Nick, I' really sorry that it's going this way, but this has not been my week or weeks even... I have two other lg dvd writer/players that are supposed to R/W all formats... but I have never used them to boot... now, I try it and naturally, I expect it to work as all others that I have ever had to work So now I feel like I'm being beten over the head with some kind of steel girder. I'll try to straighten it out tomorrow as I can't deal with the store today. BTW, I did check averything... my machines are working fine, everyting is ok... excep this damned dvd machine. I'll know more tomorrow. -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
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Marcus Watts wrote: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca writes: ... It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. Assigning blame before resolving the problem is counter-productive. It doesn't take much to look at the contents of the ISO file and see that it won't boot. But I guess I'm a glutton for frustration and I was just laughing at myself. Now what. The only evidence you've produced here indicates your bios didn't like your CD. There's a rather large tree of possibilities for what could cause this - most of which have nothing to do with OpenBSD. You're right, it doesn't take much to look at an ISO image. Have you verified that your burned cd has the same checksum as your downloaded ISO file? So what did you find when you looked at the contents of your cd? Are there tar balls? tar balls, yes; kernels - unless they're in a tar ball; and el torito - don't know, but there are boot files I think it's the dvd drive... really a bummer kernels? el torito boot image? This is a great start for a new system. Temper, temper. If anyone had taken seriously all the problems and hormanure I have had to put up with for the last two they would have either gone out and done something stupid to someone else or to themselves... I have to vent my frustrations somewhere and whatever got in the way was a target... lucky I'm a peacful guy but I sure don't like some of the shit I've been putting up with, especially recently. I just can't believe this absurdly stupid lg dvd drive not booting... it writes the dvds allright, but why the hell doesn't it read or boot from them? I'll know tomorrow when I return the damned thing. -Marcus Watts -- HervC) Kempf: Pour sauver la planC(te, sortez du capitalisme. - Phil Jourdan --- p...@ptahhotep.com http://www.ptahhotep.com http://www.chiccantine.com/andypantry.php
