Re: New laptop recommendations
On 06/26/18 11:03, Marco van Hulten wrote: Robert, On 25 Jun 22:01 Robert Gilaard wrote: I am just researching this as well and have settled on the Dell laptops because they come pre-configured with Ubuntu and therefore I assume they will be opensource friendly. It could be fine, but I would not just assume this. The pre-configured Ubuntu may contain proprietary drivers, which you may not want to use, and are not included in OpenBSD. There are no proprietary drivers included in Ubuntu by default, as best as I can remember. There are two things that may lead you to believe that: 1. You can install proprietary drivers easily, if needed. There's even an option in the system settings menu: "Additional Drivers". 2. Contrary to Debian, from which it is derived, Ubuntu installation disks include binary "blobs", closed-source firmware needed by some hardware such as network cards. With Debian you are expected to copy the needed firmware to an additional floppy disk or USB drive, to be manually picked during installation. AFAIK some Dell Inspirons of "Ubuntu version" vintage come with a discrete Nvidia GPU in addition to the Intel one, but even those are shipped with the open-source drivers and it's up to the user to setup Bumblebee to support Nvidia Optimus. Would like to hear if things changed though! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Tue, 26 Jun 2018 15:47:31 -0400 Rupert Gallagher > What crap is this? YOURS. What you put into a system is what you get from the same system..
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Hi, Stuart Longland wrote: The IBM Thinkpads… sure, they worked well. The Lenovo ones? Looking at the ones around the office, they've been a bit hit-and-miss, on both Linux and their out-of-the-box Windows installs. that is true... the latest IBM heritage you can get is the T43, although already manufactured by Lenovo. Wonderful chassis, incredible hinges... and I have one running Ubuntu, une NetBSD. I run OpenBSD on a T60 with the hi-res screen and while it works very well as far as hardware supports, the chassis quality is already lesser. The bigger cousin, the T61 I have, already has nvidia and that is a nightmare: I couldn't get it useful on neither OpenBSD nor NetBSD so it is my FreeBSD tinker machine now, where I have to use the proprietary drivers (the opensources ones are available, but not up to it) then from there it goes up and down... I can't comment on their reliability on OpenBSD however as I think I'm the only one in my office that uses it at all, and I tend to reserve it for servers and routers which is an area which OpenBSD excels at. I try to use my BSD boxen for every day use, although I always have a Windows machine at hand for the "stupid" work. I use X11 program on it and browse and use mail. One thing I never tried on any BSD since a long time is the use of a webcam: the only thing I use is Skype and it is quite hopeless. The OP asked for a MacBook Pro replacement: since the value of a Mac for me is now mostly MacOS (oh, sorry macOS) With OpenBSD many alterantives are interesting: besides the cited ThinkPads I have tried OpenBSD on a discarded hp ProBook 4530s... I need to use intel graphics instead of the Radeon, but it works very well. It used not too, but 6.2 and 6.3 brought an incredible improvement: sleep works, wireless, correct display brightness: quick and responsive! The machine has a very decent keyboard too and the i5 is fine also for development and browsing (except the classic browser issues on FOSS). If you can get one for cheap, recommended: but it is a big beast. Riccardo
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at 2:53 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:01:42 + (UTC) Robert Gilaard I am just researching this as well and have settled on the Dell Hi Robert, Rupert, Email coming from Yahoo is flagged as phishing scam, wastes time digging. **This is unacceptable advice** Emphasis mine. Let’s not admonish people over the providers they use just because your mailer is misconfigured. After all, I don’t have this issue.
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What crap is this? On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 20:53, wrote: > Your other threads on server boards and systems make much more sense now. You are off topic, and have no fucking clue of what you are talking about.
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 22:01:42 + (UTC) Robert Gilaard > I am just researching this as well and have settled on the Dell Hi Robert, Rupert, Email coming from Yahoo is flagged as phishing scam, wastes time digging. This is unacceptable advice, something very wrong with the advertisement. Search for string "Dell", the company is "in difficulties": Compromised. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_TAO_product_catalog Also search for the string "implant", and ask dmesg from an OpenBSD user. Or a developer who actually uses the hardware and invests effort it runs. > laptops because they come pre-configured with Ubuntu and therefore I > assume they will be opensource friendly. Assumptions & presumptions are examples, of superstitious mind abduction. Common misconception, corporate operating system not a free nor open one. Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:37:18 -0400 Rupert Gallagher > I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? Your other threads on server boards and systems make much more sense now. You must however ask around more for long term production use of systems. Search the archives and read carefully advice comes mostly free and open. Kind regards, Anton Lazarov
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Generally the Lenovo laptops works really well, nothing beats the IBM days, but I have at the moment around 90 or so X1 Carbon's out in the field in various generations from generation 2 all the way to latest 6th gen., never had problems with the Linux support or stability of the laptops. Can't say for *BSD reliability, since I'm the only one use *BSD and both my T430 and T450 works well, while my P51 is having problems with the Nvidia/Intel combo. But if I disable the Nvidia card in BIOS it works okay after a bit of fitteling - but this also goes for Debian GNU/Linux and even Windows sometimes have problems with the switch. But none of the laptops mentioned are cheap, so don't know if that disqualifies this information. Med Venlig Hilsen / Best Regards Henrik Dige Semark On 26-06-2018 10:50, Stuart Longland wrote: > On 26/06/18 18:03, Marco van Hulten wrote: >> In retrospect, I wish I took the similarly spec'ed Lenovo Thinkpad that >> my employer also offered, because Thinkpads are said to be "opensource >> friendly" (but that may be just as well be wishful thinking). > The IBM Thinkpads… sure, they worked well. The Lenovo ones? Looking at > the ones around the office, they've been a bit hit-and-miss, on both > Linux and their out-of-the-box Windows installs. > > I can't comment on their reliability on OpenBSD however as I think I'm > the only one in my office that uses it at all, and I tend to reserve it > for servers and routers which is an area which OpenBSD excels at.
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On 26/06/18 18:03, Marco van Hulten wrote: > In retrospect, I wish I took the similarly spec'ed Lenovo Thinkpad that > my employer also offered, because Thinkpads are said to be "opensource > friendly" (but that may be just as well be wishful thinking). The IBM Thinkpads… sure, they worked well. The Lenovo ones? Looking at the ones around the office, they've been a bit hit-and-miss, on both Linux and their out-of-the-box Windows installs. I can't comment on their reliability on OpenBSD however as I think I'm the only one in my office that uses it at all, and I tend to reserve it for servers and routers which is an area which OpenBSD excels at. -- Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL) I haven't lost my mind... ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.
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ThinkPads use devices for which there are open source devices for everything, as far as I know. Still, hardware support in the BSDs lags Linux to varying degrees, because of slower hardware. (My 2015 E550, for example, still lacked full video support in FreeBSD RELEASE, last time I looked. In my experience, hardware support is actually better in OpenBSD than FreeBSD. Jeff Sent from Blue On 26 Jun 2018, 09:07, at 09:07, Marco van Hulten wrote: >Robert, > >On 25 Jun 22:01 Robert Gilaard wrote: >> I am just researching this as well and have settled on the Dell >> laptops because they come pre-configured with Ubuntu and therefore I >> assume they will be opensource friendly. > >It could be fine, but I would not just assume this. The pre-configured >Ubuntu may contain proprietary drivers, which you may not want to use, >and are not included in OpenBSD. > >> I have short listed:1. Dell >> Precision 7520 ($1502)2. Dell Precision 7720 ($1412)3. Dell Precision >> 3520 ($1352) Prices are based on my hardware choices so ymmv. > >I have a Dell Latitude E7470, which had serveral power management >related issues in spring last year (e.g. hanging when waking up from >suspend). The worst of these issues disappeared because OpenBSD and >Ubuntu (also installed as it is officially provided by my employer) got >support for the hardware over the summer of 2017. There is still the >issue of an OpenBSD segfault when I attach/detach the laptop to/from my >docking station. > >In retrospect, I wish I took the similarly spec'ed Lenovo Thinkpad that >my employer also offered, because Thinkpads are said to be "opensource >friendly" (but that may be just as well be wishful thinking). > >Marco
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Robert, On 25 Jun 22:01 Robert Gilaard wrote: > I am just researching this as well and have settled on the Dell > laptops because they come pre-configured with Ubuntu and therefore I > assume they will be opensource friendly. It could be fine, but I would not just assume this. The pre-configured Ubuntu may contain proprietary drivers, which you may not want to use, and are not included in OpenBSD. > I have short listed:1. Dell > Precision 7520 ($1502)2. Dell Precision 7720 ($1412)3. Dell Precision > 3520 ($1352) Prices are based on my hardware choices so ymmv. I have a Dell Latitude E7470, which had serveral power management related issues in spring last year (e.g. hanging when waking up from suspend). The worst of these issues disappeared because OpenBSD and Ubuntu (also installed as it is officially provided by my employer) got support for the hardware over the summer of 2017. There is still the issue of an OpenBSD segfault when I attach/detach the laptop to/from my docking station. In retrospect, I wish I took the similarly spec'ed Lenovo Thinkpad that my employer also offered, because Thinkpads are said to be "opensource friendly" (but that may be just as well be wishful thinking). Marco
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I am just researching this as well and have settled on the Dell laptops because they come pre-configured with Ubuntu and therefore I assume they will be opensource friendly. I have short listed:1. Dell Precision 7520 ($1502)2. Dell Precision 7720 ($1412)3. Dell Precision 3520 ($1352) Prices are based on my hardware choices so ymmv. With kind regards,Robert On Tuesday, 19 June 2018, 12:39:03 CEST, Rupert Gallagher wrote: I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every day, but is now falling apart, finally. I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it?
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I looked into all of your comments, and I thank you for it. The coreboot/libreboot way was very tempting, but not competitive pricewise. I no longer have a desktop since the past century, spoiled by three MBPs, and need something robust, light, and performing. I spotted an offer for a new Lenovo T480, i5 series 8, 8GB RAM with an empty slot for easy upgrade, dual storage (!!!) with SSD on m.2 and conventional SATA, dual lithium battery for up to 4 days of work without need to plug the power cord, a 14" display, fingerprint and smartcard reader, and a videocamera. Not happy about the clitmouse, and the meccanical mouse buttons. The best part is the cost: 999€ plus VAT. An MBP with similar specs costs north of 3000€, all soldered in. So long Apple, and hello Lenovo! :-))) On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:37, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every > day, but is now falling apart, finally. I would buy a new one if only Steve > Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple inspired. The new models are > meticulously designed to make you suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, > soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for > standard connectors. I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with > it?
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X200 is a bad idea, Core 2 Duos will never get microcode updates for Spectre bugs. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Thu, 21 Jun 2018, at 08:30, flipchan wrote: > I got the x200 with libreboot and openbsd > > On June 19, 2018 10:47:24 AM UTC, Kaya Saman wrote: > >I couldn't say for the compatibility with OpenBSD though I have read > >other people running on them, but how about Lenovo?? > > > > > >I've got an X220 which I run a Linux distro on which I'm really happy > >with though the i7 CPU does seem to overheat for some reason, though I > >seem to have this issue with all laptops I've gone through?? Must be me > >:-S > > > >- only system that never overheated was my old PowerBook G3 Firewire > >running Mac OS 9 > > > > > >I might be remembering wrong but I'm sure I've seen people on the list > >running OBSD on X-series Lenovo's so it might be worth a shot unless > >anyone else has better suggestions :-) > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Kaya > > > > > >On 06/19/18 11:37, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > >> I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, > >every day, but is now falling apart, finally. > >> > >> I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping > >Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you > >suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, > >bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. > >> > >> I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? > > -- > Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev
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I got the x200 with libreboot and openbsd On June 19, 2018 10:47:24 AM UTC, Kaya Saman wrote: >I couldn't say for the compatibility with OpenBSD though I have read >other people running on them, but how about Lenovo?? > > >I've got an X220 which I run a Linux distro on which I'm really happy >with though the i7 CPU does seem to overheat for some reason, though I >seem to have this issue with all laptops I've gone through?? Must be me >:-S > >- only system that never overheated was my old PowerBook G3 Firewire >running Mac OS 9 > > >I might be remembering wrong but I'm sure I've seen people on the list >running OBSD on X-series Lenovo's so it might be worth a shot unless >anyone else has better suggestions :-) > > >Regards, > > >Kaya > > >On 06/19/18 11:37, Rupert Gallagher wrote: >> I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, >every day, but is now falling apart, finally. >> >> I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping >Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you >suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, >bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. >> >> I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? -- Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev
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In his defense, you did exactly that which you are accusing him of, not providing "technical" arguments. "Oh look at this laptop which I've apparently never used but I'd recommend you look into anyway." "I hear they're quite nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory." It sounds like pandering to ideology without technical merit. As for my recommendation, I've had some decent success with Panasonic Toughbooks (CF-30 and CF-31 so far). I'll see if I can bring up a dmesg when I get a chance. They are physically sound units too. Most stuff seems to work with 6.3 + syspatches on the CF-31 but I can't work out how to disable the gestures (I don't seem to have a "mouse.tp.tapping" variable when using wsconsctl(8)). On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:19:55 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > On 06/19/18 11:20, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:59:45 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan > >> Have you considered one of the Librem laptops by Purism? I hear they're > >> quite nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory. > > The pinnacle of bullshit talk, utter nonsense, no technical value at all. > > > > > You don't have to be a snarky prick about things-- I don't hear you > making any suggestions or providing any "technical" arguments or giving > reasons for how/why my suggestion is "utter nonsense". > You want a dmesg? You want the stats on the laptop? I'm not your > secretary, you know how to Google. Don't be aggressive just for the sake > of being aggressive. > > Cheers, > Jordan >
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I spoke with Todd Weaver at LibrePlanet about running OpenBSD on Purism. I suggested that the company install a bunch of operating systems and post dmesg, but I don't think they have done that yet. If I remember correctly, he also said he would be happy to provide a refurbished laptop to a developer for the purpose of confirming that the hardware works well on OpenBSD.
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No drm support for Kaveri in OpenBSD 6.3. There is support in current now so 6.4 should work better when it arrives. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, at 14:03, Johan Mellberg wrote: > Hmm. I have that one and there’s something fishy with the graphics, when > I boot the installer (6.3) I just get “static” on the built in screen. > No problem with any other OS. I just tried booting OpenBSD as a test so > have not investigated further, but consider it a potential issue, it > might be just my specimen but then again, maybe not. > > Mvh, Johan > — > Smartphone. Ja... just det. > > > 20 juni 2018 kl. 21:36 skrev Patrick Harper : > > > > HP EliteBook 745 G2? > > > > -- > > Patrick Harper > > paia...@fastmail.com > > > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, at 09:01, Thomas Frohwein wrote: > >> No AMD laptop recommendations in this day and age? Also buying used or > >> refurbished laptops on eBay is a security risk from the outset - ask > >> yourself how well you would be at spotting if someone had tampered e.g. > >> with the webcam or the firmware? With new hardware, you have at least a > >> reasonable expectation that the package hasn't been opened between > >> manufacturer and you... > >> > >
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Hmm. I have that one and there’s something fishy with the graphics, when I boot the installer (6.3) I just get “static” on the built in screen. No problem with any other OS. I just tried booting OpenBSD as a test so have not investigated further, but consider it a potential issue, it might be just my specimen but then again, maybe not. Mvh, Johan — Smartphone. Ja... just det. > 20 juni 2018 kl. 21:36 skrev Patrick Harper : > > HP EliteBook 745 G2? > > -- > Patrick Harper > paia...@fastmail.com > >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, at 09:01, Thomas Frohwein wrote: >> No AMD laptop recommendations in this day and age? Also buying used or >> refurbished laptops on eBay is a security risk from the outset - ask >> yourself how well you would be at spotting if someone had tampered e.g. >> with the webcam or the firmware? With new hardware, you have at least a >> reasonable expectation that the package hasn't been opened between >> manufacturer and you... >> >
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HP EliteBook 745 G2? -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, at 09:01, Thomas Frohwein wrote: > No AMD laptop recommendations in this day and age? Also buying used or > refurbished laptops on eBay is a security risk from the outset - ask > yourself how well you would be at spotting if someone had tampered e.g. > with the webcam or the firmware? With new hardware, you have at least a > reasonable expectation that the package hasn't been opened between > manufacturer and you... >
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No AMD laptop recommendations in this day and age? Also buying used or refurbished laptops on eBay is a security risk from the outset - ask yourself how well you would be at spotting if someone had tampered e.g. with the webcam or the firmware? With new hardware, you have at least a reasonable expectation that the package hasn't been opened between manufacturer and you...
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I'm quite happy with my Asus Zenbook 3 (UX390UA). It's thinner, lighter and more powerful than the current MacBooks and costs about 1100 EUR now. On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every > day, but is now falling apart, finally. > > I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple > inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: > expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard > keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. > > I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it?
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You can get a pretty good refurbished 3th gen thinkpad x1 carbon under 900$. I've baught two on ebay over the last year,
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On 06/19/18 11:20, li...@wrant.com wrote: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:59:45 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan Have you considered one of the Librem laptops by Purism? I hear they're quite nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory. The pinnacle of bullshit talk, utter nonsense, no technical value at all. You don't have to be a snarky prick about things-- I don't hear you making any suggestions or providing any "technical" arguments or giving reasons for how/why my suggestion is "utter nonsense". You want a dmesg? You want the stats on the laptop? I'm not your secretary, you know how to Google. Don't be aggressive just for the sake of being aggressive. Cheers, Jordan
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On 06/19/18 03:37, Rupert Gallagher wrote: I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? On 06/19, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: Have you considered one of the Librem laptops by Purism? I hear they're quite nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory. They run OpenBSD fine with some caveats: https://forums.puri.sm/t/openbsd-on-librem/1080
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 21:16, Scott Bonds wrote: > On 06/19, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: >>Have you considered one of the Librem laptops by Purism? I hear they're quite >>nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory! > They run OpenBSD fine with some caveats: > https://forums.puri.sm/t/openbsd-on-libre Very good with coreboot, but the cpu is too slow: an i3 of the 8-th generation is cheaper and faster.
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Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:59:45 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan > Have you considered one of the Librem laptops by Purism? I hear they're > quite nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory. The pinnacle of bullshit talk, utter nonsense, no technical value at all. > Tue, 19 Jun 2018 06:37:18 -0400 Rupert Gallagher > > I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me > > well, every day, but is now falling apart, finally. > > > > I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping > > Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make > > you suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small > > disk, bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard > > connectors. > > > > I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? Advertisements to resurrection crap, no dmesg, no hardware specification.
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Have you considered one of the Librem laptops by Purism? I hear they're quite nice, and are running coreboot straight from the factory. On 06/19/18 03:37, Rupert Gallagher wrote: I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every day, but is now falling apart, finally. I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it?
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I use 6.3 on my T450S. Works great. Also have installed easily on the Dell E7240 and E7440. I prefer the Thinkpad but the Dell is solid also. You can probably get one of each for under $1000. Likely you will want to replace the battery either way but all of these machines are available used quite reasonably and new batteries are available for all. On Jun 19, 2018, 3:39 AM -0700, Rupert Gallagher , wrote: > I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every > day, but is now falling apart, finally. > > I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple > inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: > expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard > keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. > > I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it?
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I love my DELL Latitude E7240 :-) June 19, 2018 1:01 PM, "Jeffrey Joshua Rollin" wrote: > Definitely second the ThinkPad recommendations. I have an X230i, bought used, > on which I currently > run OpenBSD 6.3, and an E550 on which I've used OpenBSD in the past; both run > perfectly as of 6.2, > except for the fingerprint reader on the X (although to be fair I haven't > tried that again > recently). > > Jeff > > Sent from Blue > > On 19 Jun 2018, 11:51, at 11:51, Daniel Gracia wrote: > >> I would opt for a Thinkpad. Actually working with a T460s; runs like a >> charm. If you are looking for mobility, a T series should fit. If you >> need >> more horsepower take a look at P series. >> >> Of course those are my preferences, YMMV! >> >> Regards. >> >> El mar., 19 jun. 2018 a las 12:41, Rupert Gallagher >> () >> escribió: >> >>> I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, >> >> every >>> day, but is now falling apart, finally. >>> >>> I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping >> >> Apple >>> inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you >> >> suffer: >>> expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad >> >> keyboard >>> keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. >>> >>> I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? -- Gilles Chehade https://www.poolp.org @poolpOrg
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 06:37:18AM -0400, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > > I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? I myself have worn out a few thinkpads over the years, but my last couple of laptops have been Clevo rebrands - local outfits tend to slap their own brands on them, like Multicom in Norway[1] - a more recent model is at[2]. If you can live without the ThinkPad 'clitmouse' (as you probably can since you're looking for a replacment for a Mac), try searching for "Clevo Notebook 831" which I think would leave you with something to spare out of your 1500 EUR. - Peter [1] https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2017/07/openbsd-and-modern-laptop.html [2] https://www.multicom.no/multicom-talisa-u831-black-133/cat-p/c100559/p10642670 -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
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Definitely second the ThinkPad recommendations. I have an X230i, bought used, on which I currently run OpenBSD 6.3, and an E550 on which I've used OpenBSD in the past; both run perfectly as of 6.2, except for the fingerprint reader on the X (although to be fair I haven't tried that again recently). Jeff Sent from Blue On 19 Jun 2018, 11:51, at 11:51, Daniel Gracia wrote: >I would opt for a Thinkpad. Actually working with a T460s; runs like a >charm. If you are looking for mobility, a T series should fit. If you >need >more horsepower take a look at P series. > >Of course those are my preferences, YMMV! > >Regards. > >El mar., 19 jun. 2018 a las 12:41, Rupert Gallagher >() >escribió: > >> I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, >every >> day, but is now falling apart, finally. >> >> I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping >Apple >> inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you >suffer: >> expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad >keyboard >> keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. >> >> I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? >>
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I would opt for a Thinkpad. Actually working with a T460s; runs like a charm. If you are looking for mobility, a T series should fit. If you need more horsepower take a look at P series. Of course those are my preferences, YMMV! Regards. El mar., 19 jun. 2018 a las 12:41, Rupert Gallagher () escribió: > I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every > day, but is now falling apart, finally. > > I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple > inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: > expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard > keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. > > I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it? >
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I couldn't say for the compatibility with OpenBSD though I have read other people running on them, but how about Lenovo?? I've got an X220 which I run a Linux distro on which I'm really happy with though the i7 CPU does seem to overheat for some reason, though I seem to have this issue with all laptops I've gone through?? Must be me :-S - only system that never overheated was my old PowerBook G3 Firewire running Mac OS 9 I might be remembering wrong but I'm sure I've seen people on the list running OBSD on X-series Lenovo's so it might be worth a shot unless anyone else has better suggestions :-) Regards, Kaya On 06/19/18 11:37, Rupert Gallagher wrote: I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every day, but is now falling apart, finally. I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it?
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I'm done with my 10 years old 1200EUR MacBookPro. It served me well, every day, but is now falling apart, finally. I would buy a new one if only Steve Jobs would be alive and keeping Apple inspired. The new models are meticulously designed to make you suffer: expensive, slow cpu, soldered ram, soldered disk, small disk, bad keyboard keys, wifi only, must pay extra for standard connectors. I have 1500EUR for a new laptop. What would you buy with it?
