OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Roderick



Hallo!

As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.

What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?

Any recommendations in general? Current or stable?

I have a virtual server, just for testing, at the moment with debian
and I find it awfull. Is there any reasong to keep it with linux?

A detail: the console is in WWW, almost unreadable small fonts,
unstable, high latency (result of low price :). The best would
be a short installation path to get a listening sshd and end the
installation with shell login.

Thanks for any hint
Rodrigo



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Roderick,

use amd64 ... as  it offers better mitigation's and has better support
overall

also if your hypervisor / machine offers nested virtualisation you would
be able to run vmm inside your machine...
i386 does not have support for vmm anymore

use stable if you want to run in production, and want to avoid rebooting
use current if you want to run and test latest features,  ( and you dont
mind rebooting to
upgrade regularly)
sysupgrade in current makes running current much easier,

Vmxnet worked fine for me  in the past.

I have had issues with vmware 6.0 ... But these were solved with
vmware6.0 Update 2
Thanks





On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 12:09, Roderick  wrote:

>
> Hallo!
>
> As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.
>
> What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
> Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?
>
> Any recommendations in general? Current or stable?
>
> I have a virtual server, just for testing, at the moment with debian
> and I find it awfull. Is there any reasong to keep it with linux?
>
> A detail: the console is in WWW, almost unreadable small fonts,
> unstable, high latency (result of low price :). The best would
> be a short installation path to get a listening sshd and end the
> installation with shell login.
>
> Thanks for any hint
> Rodrigo
>
>

-- 
Kindest regards,
Tom Smyth.


Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Janne Johansson
Den ons 22 maj 2019 kl 12:52 skrev Roderick :

> Hallo!
> As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.
> What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
> Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?
>

The ESX template for 64-bit comes with more recent "hardware" in the
environment IIRC, so it will be less tweaking the supplied virtualized
hardware if you select 64bit guest instead of 32bit.
Apart from that, 64bit is better on both virtual and real hw.

-- 
May the most significant bit of your life be positive.


Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 01:43:35PM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
> Den ons 22 maj 2019 kl 12:52 skrev Roderick :
> 
> > Hallo!
> > As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.
> > What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
> > Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?
> >
> 
> The ESX template for 64-bit comes with more recent "hardware" in the
> environment IIRC, so it will be less tweaking the supplied virtualized
> hardware if you select 64bit guest instead of 32bit.
> Apart from that, 64bit is better on both virtual and real hw.
> 

But unfortunately, there is no openbsd template.  So use "Other 64bit"
and enable vmxnet3 manually, as mentioned in vmx(4):

 The following entry must be added to the VMware configuration file to
 provide the vmx device:

   ethernet0.virtualDev = "vmxnet3"

This is much better than the e1000 emulation.

Reyk



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread mxb
I think FreeBSD or any Linux template will work just fine and add vmxnet3.
However, last I checked (1year ago) vmxnet3 been less stable than e1000 under 
pressure. 

Sent from my iDevice

> 22 мая 2019 г., в 13:47, Reyk Floeter  написал(а):
> 
>> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 01:43:35PM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
>> Den ons 22 maj 2019 kl 12:52 skrev Roderick :
>> 
>>> Hallo!
>>> As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.
>>> What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
>>> Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?
>>> 
>> 
>> The ESX template for 64-bit comes with more recent "hardware" in the
>> environment IIRC, so it will be less tweaking the supplied virtualized
>> hardware if you select 64bit guest instead of 32bit.
>> Apart from that, 64bit is better on both virtual and real hw.
>> 
> 
> But unfortunately, there is no openbsd template.  So use "Other 64bit"
> and enable vmxnet3 manually, as mentioned in vmx(4):
> 
> The following entry must be added to the VMware configuration file to
> provide the vmx device:
> 
>   ethernet0.virtualDev = "vmxnet3"
> 
> This is much better than the e1000 emulation.
> 
> Reyk
> 



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread R0me0 ***
Vmware ESXI detects as FreeBSD 32bit.

Set network interface to vmxnet3.

Also you can use pvscsi driver ( I had some issues with filesystem
corruption,
there is a weird bug, but there is a workaround.)

In general buslogic is more resilient.

Regards,


Em qua, 22 de mai de 2019 às 14:26, mxb  escreveu:

> I think FreeBSD or any Linux template will work just fine and add vmxnet3.
> However, last I checked (1year ago) vmxnet3 been less stable than e1000
> under pressure.
>
> Sent from my iDevice
>
> > 22 мая 2019 г., в 13:47, Reyk Floeter  написал(а):
> >
> >> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 01:43:35PM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
> >> Den ons 22 maj 2019 kl 12:52 skrev Roderick :
> >>
> >>> Hallo!
> >>> As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.
> >>> What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
> >>> Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?
> >>>
> >>
> >> The ESX template for 64-bit comes with more recent "hardware" in the
> >> environment IIRC, so it will be less tweaking the supplied virtualized
> >> hardware if you select 64bit guest instead of 32bit.
> >> Apart from that, 64bit is better on both virtual and real hw.
> >>
> >
> > But unfortunately, there is no openbsd template.  So use "Other 64bit"
> > and enable vmxnet3 manually, as mentioned in vmx(4):
> >
> > The following entry must be added to the VMware configuration file to
> > provide the vmx device:
> >
> >   ethernet0.virtualDev = "vmxnet3"
> >
> > This is much better than the e1000 emulation.
> >
> > Reyk
> >
>
>


Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Adam Thompson

On 2019-05-22 09:25, mxb wrote:
I think FreeBSD or any Linux template will work just fine and add 
vmxnet3.

However, last I checked (1year ago) vmxnet3 been less stable than
e1000 under pressure.


Don't use the Linux templates.  I would recommend against using the 
FreeBSD templates, and go with "Other (64-bit)" instead.  YMMV on using 
FreeBSD vs Other, I haven't seen consistent results here yet... just 
don't pick Linux, or DOS, or Windows - in some situations, that allows 
VMware to take certain shortcuts that are based on assumptions about the 
Linux/Win/etc. kernel & device drivers that (probably) aren't valid 
under OpenBSD.


Various people have reported different problems with vmxnet3; I'm aware 
of at least 4 or 5 different environment-specific issues (i.e. can't be 
reproduced on any other vSphere/ESXi system).  I have some of those 
problems, and I cannot reproduce them outside my production environment, 
but they don't prevent me from running OpenBSD.


Workarounds:
* use vmxnet2
* use e1000

If vmxnet3 and pvscsi work for you (you'll know pretty darn fast!), use 
them.  When they work, which is usually (in my experience), they're 
generally very stable and high-performing compared to the emulated h/w 
(e1000, lsisas, lsiscsi, buslogic).


I also experience timer issues, and I've had to specify 
kern.timecounter.hardware=i8254 in sysctl.conf.  This is likely a VMware 
problem, not an OpenBSD problem, but it's non-trivial to diagnose.  
(Even i8254 doesn't work perfectly: e.g. usleep() isn't very accurate in 
my VMs!)  I'm also running these VMs on very heavily-loaded hosts, which 
is probably a factor.


My disk write throughput is horrible, but that's an interaction between 
how OpenBSD does writes, how VMware handles writes into thin-provisioned 
disks, and how my NFS storage handles writes on thin-provisioned 
volumes; it's not an OpenBSD problem, strictly speaking, although that's 
the only place it's normally visible.


Overall, OpenBSD works well under ESXi, but there are semi-random 
problems that do have workarounds.


Several years ago, Theo noted (approximately, I'm going from memory here 
AND paraphrasing) that it was hard enough for OpenBSD to handle broken 
hardware implementations, it's exponentially harder to handle an 
incorrect software emulation of hardware that was incorrect in the first 
place.  This has proven accurate, and VMware doesn't really care much 
about OpenBSD, since I doubt it even registers on their radar so they're 
not terribly interested in fixing VMware bugs that are only visible 
under OpenBSD.  (If you have a support contract, please submit bug 
reports to VMware.  If enough of us do so, they might start fixing some 
of the problems.)


-Adam



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2019-05-22, Reyk Floeter  wrote:
>
> But unfortunately, there is no openbsd template.  So use "Other 64bit"
> and enable vmxnet3 manually, as mentioned in vmx(4):
>
>  The following entry must be added to the VMware configuration file to
>  provide the vmx device:
>
>ethernet0.virtualDev = "vmxnet3"
>
> This is much better than the e1000 emulation.

vmxnet3 suffers kernel panics under some conditions, e1000 is rock solid
for me.




Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Igor Podlesny
On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 23:06, Stuart Henderson  wrote:
[...]
> vmxnet3 suffers kernel panics under some conditions, e1000 is rock solid
> for me.

Any known similarities in regards of vio -- VirtIO network device
(bhyve, KVM, QEMU, and VirtualBox)?

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Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Roderick



I thanks a lot! I need a litle more help, I do not want to give up. :)

I use now the terms of the provider, I do not like virtual machines
and have no experience with them.

I loaded cd65.iso in the providers platform as "other 64-bit
OS image". Then I loaded it in the (virtual) DVD rom and started the
server. bsd.rd booted, vmx0 appeared and did work, I installed the
system with internet connection.

The installed system seems to boot. I can start and stop it clicking
in the web, with the offered "software method" that supposedly does
not work without the "VMWare tools". But it complains that
without "VMWare tools" there is no console, and I do not get the damned
WWW console, called "KVM console" by the provider.

And the installed and booted system do not react to ping and
ssh, probably a net configuration is necessary. This means: I
must use c65.iso as rescue system.

c65.iso as (virtual) DVD do boot and I get the console, although
I also get the same messages that without the  "VMWare tools" that
is not possible. Whay the difference?

During installation there was something strange, but I think that
it is not the origin of the problem. The automatic partition offered me:

a  2048 on /
c  41943040
i 997376  extfs (?!) to be mounted nowhere
j 40943616 unknown to be mounted nowhere

Although this was very suspicious, I answered yes for not dealing long
with the console. It seems, it did no do partition and fs. It
did not load the sets, it complained "cannot determine prefetch
area ...". Perhaps a bug?

I did the partition manually (what I always use to do). 200 times more
than that a on /, 512 times more that that a as b (swap), and the rest
as e on /usr. There was then no problem with the installation.

But was that ext2fs that appeared in the automatic partition
necessary for something?!

Thanks again for any hint
Rodrigo



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Stuart Henderson

No idea, I don't run those.

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On 22 May 2019 17:20:16 Igor Podlesny  wrote:


On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 23:06, Stuart Henderson  wrote:
[...]

vmxnet3 suffers kernel panics under some conditions, e1000 is rock solid
for me.


Any known similarities in regards of vio -- VirtIO network device
(bhyve, KVM, QEMU, and VirtualBox)?

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Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Roderick



On Wed, 22 May 2019, Roderick wrote:


The installed system seems to boot.


Or perhaps not. I put in /etc/hostname.vmx0 with the help of cd65.iso: 
dhcp. But got no connection. Dificult to know without console.


In the rescue disk was "dhclient vmx0" enough for getting connection.

I did MBR, no gpt. I suppose that is not the problem.

Rodrigo



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Roderick



Of course never booted: /var/log/messages is empty. :)

I was too sleepy and optimistic.




Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Rudy Baker
There's a bug in ESXI 6.5 specifically with vmxnet 3. We we're using Linux
when it was noticed but anytime one of our floating ips (haproxy,
keepalived) would switch to the node with vmxnet 3, instant kernel panic. I
wonder if the problem is happening to you.

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2151480

Like others have mentioned, E1000 doesn't have the problem and the issue
also goes away after upgrading to 6.7.



On Wed, May 22, 2019, 4:24 PM Roderick,  wrote:

>
> Of course never booted: /var/log/messages is empty. :)
>
> I was too sleepy and optimistic.
>
>
>


Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-22 Thread Steven Shockley
On 5/22/2019 6:46 AM, Roderick wrote:
> Any recommendations in general? Current or stable?

I've had bad luck with softupdates and OpenBSD on ESXi when the ESXi
datastore is on nfs.  (Encountered on ESX 5.0, 5.1, and 5.5; I must not
learn from my mistakes.)  From what I can tell, if the nfs datastore
takes too long to respond OpenBSD thinks the disk has gone away and
panics.  It's not OpenBSD's fault; if a real disk stopped responding a
panic is probably the best result.

Probably some tuning could be done to make the ESXi nfs timeout match
the OpenBSD timeout, but it's easier to just not use softupdates and
match the backing disk to my performance requirements.

Note that softupdates are not enabled by default.



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-23 Thread loopw

On 2019-05-22 11:04, Stuart Henderson wrote:

No idea, I don't run those.



I have some experience:
For over three years I have been running a qemu/KVM on Linux hypervisor 
for a lab that's had at least four running OpenBSD vms with virtio and 
e1000 nics.  The obsd vms have never had a kernel panic, where they 
usually do basic routing/nating for a dev network, but occasionally do a 
lot of iperf traffic while I work on their pf.conf files.





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On 22 May 2019 17:20:16 Igor Podlesny  wrote:

On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 23:06, Stuart Henderson  
wrote:

[...]
vmxnet3 suffers kernel panics under some conditions, e1000 is rock 
solid

for me.


Any known similarities in regards of vio -- VirtIO network device
(bhyve, KVM, QEMU, and VirtualBox)?

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Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-24 Thread Roderick



On Thu, 23 May 2019, Ian Darwin wrote:


..., but if you just wanted hosting in a hurry and cheap, vultr.com offers
an entry-level vhost with OpenBSD 6.5 (or half a dozen others including BSDs
and Linuxes) already installed (or you can use any ISO to install from)
for US$2.50/month, with console access. I'm hosting my secondary DNS there
and have had zero issues so far, though I didn't do a full reinstall.


Well, I was just testing for being prepared when I need "hosting in a
hurry and cheap". Waiting till one is in need makes the need and the
price bigger.

It was an offer of ionos.de, 500MB Ram, 10 GB SSD, 1vCore, Linux OS.
For me OK, I like to test under spare resources. What runs under spare
resources, runs much better under better conditions: it is a way to
select what to run.

The price of ionos.de: 1 EUR/Month, bound to 1 year, but one can
end the contract in the first 30 days. Probably an offer to
catch customers.

The answer to my question to change to "LSI Logic SAS" was: they cannot
do individual adaptions, but I can take a root server from them.

This answer is perfectly acceptable, as also the ugly Web Console, if
one can rely in their offer of 1 Eur/month, if it is not a trap to
catch customers. They are not saying me, I must take a root server
from them.

It is possible to boot a CD and install an own OS. It would have been
wonderfull to run OpenBSD, unfortunately almost worked.

Rodrigo



Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi

2019-05-28 Thread Hendrik Meyburgh
We have been running succesfully for a very long time, earlier editions (5.5) 
didn’t recover so well after storage hiccups, but these days running very well, 
no customizations needed. Sorry I can’t download the vmx right now.

OpenBSD 6.3 GENERIC.MP#107 amd64
Running openbgpd, pf and relayd.

Esxi 6.5 on Intel "Sandy Bridge” Generation EVC
VMFS5 datastore on FC - Thick provision lazy zeroed
VMXNET3
VM version 10 hardware compatibility
Guest OS emulation - Freebsd 64bit

8vcpu
8gig mem


> On 22 May 2019, at 12:46, Roderick  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hallo!
> 
> As far as I read in WWW, OpenBSD do run on VMware ESXi out of the box.
> 
> What does run better on amd64 virtual machine? i386 or amd64?
> Are there reasons to preffer one to the other?
> 
> Any recommendations in general? Current or stable?
> 
> I have a virtual server, just for testing, at the moment with debian
> and I find it awfull. Is there any reasong to keep it with linux?
> 
> A detail: the console is in WWW, almost unreadable small fonts,
> unstable, high latency (result of low price :). The best would
> be a short installation path to get a listening sshd and end the
> installation with shell login.
> 
> Thanks for any hint
> Rodrigo
> 



Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Roderick



Please, delete the cc to b...@openbsd.org in any answer.

I am now, after hours typing in the damned web console and dealing
with the buggy installer, a little bit furious. This is definitively
not the OpenBSD I know!

I did manage to install OpenBSD in VMWare, with the "autopartition", but 
I want a custom partition due to my spare resources. I will now do a 
pause to calm myself and then continue trying. I appreciate any hint

and thank for it very much.

My remarks:

(1) There no way to write a custom disklabel. After doing it, after giving the
command w and leaving with x, or after leaving with q, the installer
overwrites it with something arbitrary that may be unusable (then
one will note it no later than when loading the sets due to error
"cannot determine prefetch ...").

(2) "disklabel -E" in cd65.iso puts a cpg=1 for all partitions: is that
 correct?

(4) No way to leave the disklabel as it is. I wrote one with the shell
of cd65.iso (and cpg=1), also did nefwfs on the partitions, but
the installer do not show the partition it anywhere. One is compelled
to type again, and again comes the unusable arbitrary modification.

(5) Auto allocaton puts partitions for X11 even if one selects
that one will run no X11.

(6) No vi in cd65.iso (but at least ed).

Rodrigo



Re: Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Thu, May 23, 2019 at 08:42:05AM +, Roderick wrote:

> 
> Please, delete the cc to b...@openbsd.org in any answer.
> 
> I am now, after hours typing in the damned web console and dealing
> with the buggy installer, a little bit furious. This is definitively
> not the OpenBSD I know!
> 
> I did manage to install OpenBSD in VMWare, with the "autopartition", but I
> want a custom partition due to my spare resources. I will now do a pause to
> calm myself and then continue trying. I appreciate any hint
> and thank for it very much.

You must be doing something wrong. Since it installer surely leats you
use a custom label. But since you are not showgin waht you did and you
start insulting remarks, you won't get much help.


> My remarks:
> 
> (1) There no way to write a custom disklabel. After doing it, after giving the
> command w and leaving with x, or after leaving with q, the installer
> overwrites it with something arbitrary that may be unusable (then
> one will note it no later than when loading the sets due to error
> "cannot determine prefetch ...").OA

see above

> 
> (2) "disklabel -E" in cd65.iso puts a cpg=1 for all partitions: is that
>  correct?

yes. The cpg field is used for some redundant fs metadata these days
and will be filled in by newfs.

> 
> (4) No way to leave the disklabel as it is. I wrote one with the shell
> of cd65.iso (and cpg=1), also did nefwfs on the partitions, but
> the installer do not show the partition it anywhere. One is compelled
> to type again, and again comes the unusable arbitrary modification.

see above

> 
> (5) Auto allocaton puts partitions for X11 even if one selects
> that one will run no X11.

You can easily edit the auto label and delete partitions you do not want.

> 
> (6) No vi in cd65.iso (but at least ed).
> 
> Rodrigo
> 



Re: Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Roderick



On Thu, 23 May 2019, Otto Moerbeek wrote:


You must be doing something wrong. Since it installer surely leats you
use a custom label. But since you are not showgin waht you did and you
start insulting remarks, you won't get much help.


Excuse me, although my words was not flowers, they were no insult.
And there was no intention to insult, but it is realy nerving to deal
with this web console. I cannot even do "copy and paste" in it for
showing what I did. That is why I described it. It is sure a bug there.
As said: it is not my previous experience with OpenBSD.

There is sure a bug there:

(1) if you installed a label before, the installer does not offer
it to you.

(2) it changes the "custom label" you write in the process. Really
changes it. That can never be something else than a bug.

(3) "disklabel -E /dev/sd0" puts alway cpg=1. The installer in
the autoinstall puts numbers like 10277, 16384.

Rodrigo



Re: Installer buggy (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Roderick



Some more details about my experience. Excuseme that I dont take
fotos of the screen and just describe, with the data y wrote down.

As I wrote, yesterday my instalation did not work. Today morning
I began to inspect with the shell of cd65.iso the partitions.

fdisk gave me  41943040 sectors divided as follows:

  startsize
0*  2048 997376  Linux files
1 999424   40943616  Linux LVM

disklabel gave me the sizes I typed:

a   409600   0   4.2BSD
b  1048576   409600  swap
c 41943040   0
e 40484864  1458176  4.2BSD

you see there the offset zero, no MBR. That is why the system did not
boot. I went to the shell and did "fdisk -iy sd0". Now I have a partition
3 with the whole, 64 till 41942976. I started the installer and
got an installation, as described, only with the automatic set values.

The server hoster offers two kinds of shutting down the system by
clicking on their web plattform: software and hardware. If I restart
with "hardware", the system does not go up anymore, unless I reinstall
the whole system. I though the hoster spoiled my disk because it
writes in the first 2048 sectors. I went to install again, but with
an offset of 2048 in the OpenBSD fdisk partition: no way, the installer
ignores my settings.

Rodrigo



Re: Installer buggy (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Jan Vlach
Hi Rodrigo,

IIRC, pvscsi used to eat up first write to the paravirtual storage
device with VMware. Not sure what's the current situation as I tend to
use LSI Logic SAS.

Also, the first eaten-up write would explain why you're still seeing
Linux partitions instead of OpenBSD.


# fdisk sd0
Disk: sd0   geometry: 14593/255/63 [234441648 Sectors]
Offset: 0   Signature: 0xAA55
Starting Ending LBA Info:
 #: id  C   H   S -  C   H   S [   start:size ]
---
 0: 00  0   0   0 -  0   0   0 [   0:   0 ]
unused
 1: 00  0   0   0 -  0   0   0 [   0:   0 ]
unused
 2: 00  0   0   0 -  0   0   0 [   0:   0 ]
unused
*3: A6  0   1   2 -  14592 254  63 [  64:   234436481 ]
OpenBSD

jvl

P.S. Description or even screenshots would help to know where you got
stuck.



Re: Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Roderick



On Thu, 23 May 2019, Arnaud BRAND wrote:


So you could try to install 6.4 to see if you have the same problems ?


Just copied bsd.rd from 6.4 in the root of the running system and
booted it. It was a litle better.

My settings to fdisk, namely change of offset from 64 to 2048, were
ignored, and so the automatic disklabel offered an offset of 64.

My settings to disklabel were this time not ignored.

I will proceed to do "fdisk -i", perhaps reinstall, perhaps not.

The changing of the offset from 64 to 2048 did help: after a "hardware
shutdown" I got again a bootable system, although a fsck is necessary.

I wonder that no one noted this bugs before: are there no new people
installing OpenBSD? Or it is a problem only with VMWare?


What ESXi version are you running ?


No idea. I must ask the hoster.


What disk controller are you showing to OpenBSD ?


sd0

Thanks
Rodrigo



Re: Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Tom Smyth
include a copy of dmesg
and you might get info about the virtual hardware / hypervisor you
are running on


On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 12:58, Roderick  wrote:

>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019, Arnaud BRAND wrote:
>
> > So you could try to install 6.4 to see if you have the same problems ?
>
> Just copied bsd.rd from 6.4 in the root of the running system and
> booted it. It was a litle better.
>
> My settings to fdisk, namely change of offset from 64 to 2048, were
> ignored, and so the automatic disklabel offered an offset of 64.
>
> My settings to disklabel were this time not ignored.
>
> I will proceed to do "fdisk -i", perhaps reinstall, perhaps not.
>
> The changing of the offset from 64 to 2048 did help: after a "hardware
> shutdown" I got again a bootable system, although a fsck is necessary.
>
> I wonder that no one noted this bugs before: are there no new people
> installing OpenBSD? Or it is a problem only with VMWare?
>
> > What ESXi version are you running ?
>
> No idea. I must ask the hoster.
>
> > What disk controller are you showing to OpenBSD ?
>
> sd0
>
> Thanks
> Rodrigo
>
>

-- 
Kindest regards,
Tom Smyth.


Re: Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Arnaud BRAND

The web console copy/paste functionnality is a VMWare limitation.
I don't think it ever worked.
It think would require the console to emulate/simulate key presses
depending on what is pasted and somehow assuming what the VM keymap is.

I didn't try to install 6.5 on ESXI yet, but I definitely installed 6.4.
On a lot of ESXi versions from 5.5 to 6.7.
So you could try to install 6.4 to see if you have the same problems ?

Never experienced your problems, although I experienced some strange
behaviors with disklabeling (if I remember well sometimes it couldn't
install the bootloader or wouldn't boot after install).

They were resolved by :
- dropping to the shell at the start of the install
- fdisk -i 
- return to the install and proceed normally

Never tried to install a custom label on ESXi, but did it sucessfully
on virtualbox with 6.5 without any issue (not even needed to fdisk -i).

What ESXi version are you running ?
What disk controller are you showing to OpenBSD ?

AB

Le 2019-05-23 12:17, Roderick a écrit :

On Thu, 23 May 2019, Otto Moerbeek wrote:


You must be doing something wrong. Since it installer surely leats you
use a custom label. But since you are not showgin waht you did and you
start insulting remarks, you won't get much help.


Excuse me, although my words was not flowers, they were no insult.
And there was no intention to insult, but it is realy nerving to deal
with this web console. I cannot even do "copy and paste" in it for
showing what I did. That is why I described it. It is sure a bug there.
As said: it is not my previous experience with OpenBSD.

There is sure a bug there:

(1) if you installed a label before, the installer does not offer
it to you.

(2) it changes the "custom label" you write in the process. Really
changes it. That can never be something else than a bug.

(3) "disklabel -E /dev/sd0" puts alway cpg=1. The installer in
the autoinstall puts numbers like 10277, 16384.

Rodrigo




Re: Installer buggy (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Roderick



On Thu, 23 May 2019, Jan Vlach wrote:


IIRC, pvscsi used to eat up first write to the paravirtual storage
device with VMware. Not sure what's the current situation as I tend to
use LSI Logic SAS.


I do not understand very much, but yes, something is being eaten up.

The fsck I mentioned before was not effective, I landed with a system
with ro mounted root system. It was impossible to do anything reasonable
with it.

I booted bsd.rd and did fsck /dev/rsd0a: tice!!!
The first one did not mark it as clean.

And now, I boot, but do not get a compleete /var/run/dmesg.boot for
Tom Smyth. Below is all what I get.

It seems, it was not the installer. :)

Any idea how to continue? How to get the ESXi version?

Thanks
Rodrigo






v 0x00
vga1: aperture needed
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
ppb1 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 "VMware PCI" rev 0x02
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
ahci0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "VMware AHCI" rev 0x00: apic 1 int 18, AHCI 1.3
ahci0: port 0: 6.0Gb/s
scsibus0 at ahci0: 32 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0:  ATAPI 5/cdrom 
removable
ppb2 at pci0 dev 21 function 0 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
vmwpvs0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "VMware PVSCSI" rev 0x02: apic 1 int 18
scsibus1 at vmwpvs0: 16 targets
sd0 at scsibus1 targ 0 lun 0:  SCSI4 0/direct fixed 
naa.6000c290fd42ddbb45acd19e285b95bf
sd0: 20480MB, 512 bytes/sector, 41943040 sectors
ppb3 at pci0 dev 21 function 1 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci4 at ppb3 bus 4
ppb4 at pci0 dev 21 function 2 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci5 at ppb4 bus 5
ppb5 at pci0 dev 21 function 3 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci6 at ppb5 bus 6
ppb6 at pci0 dev 21 function 4 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci7 at ppb6 bus 7
ppb7 at pci0 dev 21 function 5 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci8 at ppb7 bus 8
ppb8 at pci0 dev 21 function 6 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci9 at ppb8 bus 9
ppb9 at pci0 dev 21 function 7 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci10 at ppb9 bus 10
ppb10 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci11 at ppb10 bus 11
vmx0 at pci11 dev 0 function 0 "VMware VMXNET3" rev 0x01: apic 1 int 19, 
address 00:50:56:0a:ad:be
ppb11 at pci0 dev 22 function 1 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci12 at ppb11 bus 12
ppb12 at pci0 dev 22 function 2 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci13 at ppb12 bus 13
ppb13 at pci0 dev 22 function 3 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci14 at ppb13 bus 14
ppb14 at pci0 dev 22 function 4 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci15 at ppb14 bus 15
ppb15 at pci0 dev 22 function 5 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci16 at ppb15 bus 16
ppb16 at pci0 dev 22 function 6 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci17 at ppb16 bus 17
ppb17 at pci0 dev 22 function 7 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci18 at ppb17 bus 18
ppb18 at pci0 dev 23 function 0 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci19 at ppb18 bus 19
ppb19 at pci0 dev 23 function 1 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci20 at ppb19 bus 20
ppb20 at pci0 dev 23 function 2 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci21 at ppb20 bus 21
ppb21 at pci0 dev 23 function 3 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci22 at ppb21 bus 22
ppb22 at pci0 dev 23 function 4 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci23 at ppb22 bus 23
ppb23 at pci0 dev 23 function 5 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci24 at ppb23 bus 24
ppb24 at pci0 dev 23 function 6 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci25 at ppb24 bus 25
ppb25 at pci0 dev 23 function 7 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci26 at ppb25 bus 26
ppb26 at pci0 dev 24 function 0 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci27 at ppb26 bus 27
ppb27 at pci0 dev 24 function 1 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci28 at ppb27 bus 28
ppb28 at pci0 dev 24 function 2 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci29 at ppb28 bus 29
ppb29 at pci0 dev 24 function 3 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci30 at ppb29 bus 30
ppb30 at pci0 dev 24 function 4 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci31 at ppb30 bus 31
ppb31 at pci0 dev 24 function 5 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci32 at ppb31 bus 32
ppb32 at pci0 dev 24 function 6 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci33 at ppb32 bus 33
ppb33 at pci0 dev 24 function 7 "VMware PCIE" rev 0x01
pci34 at ppb33 bus 34
isa0 at pcib0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 irq 1 irq 12
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16
softraid0 at root
scsibus2 at softraid0: 256 targets
root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b
syncing disks... done
rebooting...
OpenBSD 6.4 (GENERIC) #926: Thu Oct 11 13:43:06 MDT 2018
dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
real mem  = 536227840 (511MB)
avail mem = 511414272 (487MB)
mpath0 at root
scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: date 09/19/18, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfd780, SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 
0xe0010 (620 entries)
bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies LTD version "6.00" date 09/19/2018
bios0: VMware, Inc. VMware Virtual Platform
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP BOOT APIC MCFG SRAT HPET WAET
acpi0: wakeup devices PCI0(S3) USB_(S1) P2P0(S3) S1F0(S3) S2F0(S3) S8F0(S3) 
S16F(S3) S18F(S3) S22F(S3) S23F(S3) S24F(S3) S25F(S3) PE40(S3) S1F0(S3) 
PE50(S3) S1F0(S3) [...]
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acp

Re: Installer sucks ! (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Ian Darwin

On 5/23/19 7:51 AM, Roderick wrote:

I wonder that no one noted this bugs before: are there no new people
installing OpenBSD? Or it is a problem only with VMWare?


Yes, the fact that nobody else has run into your problem suggest that it 
might in fact be your problem. Or your provider may be doing something 
strange.


It's great that you are exploring this, and may yet find an actual 
issue, but if you just wanted hosting in a hurry and cheap, vultr.com 
offers an entry-level vhost with OpenBSD 6.5 (or half a dozen others 
including BSDs and Linuxes) already installed (or you can use any ISO to 
install from) for US$2.50/month, with console access. I'm hosting my 
secondary DNS there and have had zero issues so far, though I didn't do 
a full reinstall.




Re: Installer buggy (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Jan Vlach


> On Thu, 23 May 2019, Jan Vlach wrote:
> 
> > IIRC, pvscsi used to eat up first write to the paravirtual storage
> > device with VMware. Not sure what's the current situation as I tend to
> > use LSI Logic SAS.
> 
> I do not understand very much, but yes, something is being eaten up.
> 
> The fsck I mentioned before was not effective, I landed with a system
> with ro mounted root system. It was impossible to do anything reasonable
> with it.
> 
> pci3 at ppb2 bus 3
> vmwpvs0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "VMware PVSCSI" rev 0x02: apic 1 int 18
^^
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=144899602327183&w=2

I think you're seeing this. Change the Storage adapter in VMware to LSI
Logic SAS or ask your VM provider to do this for you.

JV



Re: Installer buggy (Re: OpenBSD on VMware ESXi)

2019-05-23 Thread Roderick



Thanks, Jan, thanks Otto for the personal mail.

Yes, the problem is sure that. I will se with the provider.

When I changed the fdisk partition (first writes), they were not written,
but the disklabel. When I did not, but changed the disklabel, then the
disklabel was not changed. I hope enough dmesg is written before KARL!!!

Rodrigo