Re: Looking for a new distro
Hi ( 01.01.13 12:32 -0800 ) Jamie Krasnoo: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? Slackware 7.1 And, I'd also consider making the leap to [Free]BSD. -- \js Milkmen deliver twice a week!
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Jamie, I'm sorry you are having problems with it. I am running it here and it's fine. I used Apache Toolbox to install it though, which you will probably want to take a look at for future reference. The site is at www.apachetoolbox.com. It will install Apache and most of the major mod's from source. It's easy to compile and then all you have to do is adjust the conf files. HTH - Next time :) Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? Jamie -- Jimi Thompson Web Master Link.com "It's the same thing we do every night, Pinky."
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Hey just as an FYI... I've got mod_perl and apache 1.3.14 and PHP 4.04 (I think or maybe 4.03pl1) installed with no problems on my redhat 7 box. Now, it's my devel box so I don't know if there are any "major" problems with it. :) It does double duty as my devel box and my personal router (got my cable modem hooked up on it and then route my internal boxes through it. :)). For Apache/mod_perl/PHP, I downloaded the source and installed those directly along with Mysql... -- Jeff (FurBall) WebOverdrive Newbie Tech Board http://www.topniche.com/tech/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clayton Cottingham aka drfrog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:05 PM To: dreamwvr; Jamie Krasnoo Cc: Modperl Subject: Re: Looking for a new distro heya all: im really waiting for the next bunch of releases here, im hoping that they all start doing a lil more QA before release!! ive tried a lot of different dists and nothing has me going "oh yeah!!" mandrake 7.2 is my current "lesser of Nth evils" last summer i went to town downloading everything from debian to suse and back to slack and redhat at the time i started using mandrake its mod_perl was sett up nice its not bad on 7.2 but it splits up so there is an httpd and an httpd-perl i dont like having to configure both so i un-rpmd then and rolled my own, DSO style install in less than thirty mins drop my config in and zoom!! again some of this has to do with how a dist sets up apache i like it all in /home/ww but most put the conf 's under /etc etc etc. some of these compatiblility file management issues drive me nuts!! and i usually uninstall and recomp my own well that my take on it anyhow -- back in the day we didn't have no old school -dr. frog
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I found what the problem was, thanks to Michael Weiner (Hunter). For some reason, when mod_perl is compiled in to Apache as a static, it loads the file stated in PerlRequire twice. When I recompiled mod_perl as a DSO it stopped doing that. This bug seems like its a problem with the RedHat distro. I should have seen it. There may be a reason that RH 7.0 comes with Apache compiled with all mods in DSO. This problem doesn't seem to crop up on other distributions. Anyways, I think we can put this thread to bed. Thanks to everyone for your comments. Jamie -Original Message- From: Jeffrey A. Stuart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:48 PM To: Clayton Cottingham aka drfrog; dreamwvr; Jamie Krasnoo Cc: Modperl Subject: RE: Looking for a new distro Hey just as an FYI... I've got mod_perl and apache 1.3.14 and PHP 4.04 (I think or maybe 4.03pl1) installed with no problems on my redhat 7 box. Now, it's my devel box so I don't know if there are any "major" problems with it. :) It does double duty as my devel box and my personal router (got my cable modem hooked up on it and then route my internal boxes through it. :)). For Apache/mod_perl/PHP, I downloaded the source and installed those directly along with Mysql... -- Jeff (FurBall) WebOverdrive Newbie Tech Board http://www.topniche.com/tech/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Clayton Cottingham aka drfrog [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 6:05 PM To: dreamwvr; Jamie Krasnoo Cc: Modperl Subject: Re: Looking for a new distro heya all: im really waiting for the next bunch of releases here, im hoping that they all start doing a lil more QA before release!! ive tried a lot of different dists and nothing has me going "oh yeah!!" mandrake 7.2 is my current "lesser of Nth evils" last summer i went to town downloading everything from debian to suse and back to slack and redhat at the time i started using mandrake its mod_perl was sett up nice its not bad on 7.2 but it splits up so there is an httpd and an httpd-perl i dont like having to configure both so i un-rpmd then and rolled my own, DSO style install in less than thirty mins drop my config in and zoom!! again some of this has to do with how a dist sets up apache i like it all in /home/ww but most put the conf 's under /etc etc etc. some of these compatiblility file management issues drive me nuts!! and i usually uninstall and recomp my own well that my take on it anyhow -- back in the day we didn't have no old school -dr. frog
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Try .. www.linux-mandrake.com Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? Jamie
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, dreamwvr wrote: Try .. www.linux-mandrake.com Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Not to turn this into a distro war but mandrake is not exactly known for its stability. Redhat is currently in a .0 release which is not stable at all. Debian and Slackware are really your best bet for stability. Personally I recommend slackware. If you really want to stick with Redhat you can get a copy of 6.2 it is pretty standard. -- Sean Cook Systems Analyst Edutest.com Phone: 804.673.22531.888.335.8378 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Save the whales. Collect the whole set.
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Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? Jamie I have Apache 1.3.14 and mod_perl 1.24_01 (as DSO) working fine under RedHat6.2. ..Tom http://www.kralidis.ca/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? I haven't used it yet, but I would eagerly be looking for one that has reiserfs compiled in. Is that a debian distro? I'm sitting on a redhat 6.2 distro and fsck'ing a 20G ext2fs raid-1 partition is not my idea of happy downtime. :( -- Josh _ Joshua Chamas Chamas Enterprises Inc. NodeWorks free web link monitoring Huntington Beach, CA USA http://www.nodeworks.com1-714-625-4051
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For some reason, I think this will be a long (but on-topic) thread... On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 12:32:44PM -0800, Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? I use Debian (potato/woody/sid). Getting a good development environment is a snap, and I've never lost time to figuring out wierd kernel/glibc/perl problems. Personally I prefer to do a very minimal install of debian, then just apt-get whatever I need (ssh, vim, etc). Perl modules can be installed using apt-get, but it's just as easy to get them using the CPAN module. Not having to hunt down dependencies and download separate RPM's is something you get used to _very_ quickly! Within an hour, I can have debian installed, a new kernel compiled, and apache/mod_perl compiled and installed. /me goes back to getting Perl 5.6, LWP, and other things to work properly on a RH 7.0 box... ARGH!! Regards, Wim Kerkhoff Software Engineer Merilus, Inc.
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* Jamie Krasnoo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010113 17:20]: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? Jamie I use Redhat 6.2. I put 7.0 on my laptop, and it worked okay, but I only do perl on my laptop. If I were to code C (not very often), it would be on a 6.2 box. I haven't looked into the egcs issue with RedHat 7.0, but I know RedHat issued an "apology". JJ -- J. J. Horner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Apache, Perl, mod_perl, Web security, Linux PGP signature
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On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 02:36:21PM -0800, Joshua Chamas wrote: Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? I haven't used it yet, but I would eagerly be looking for one that has reiserfs compiled in. Is that a debian distro? I'm sitting on a redhat 6.2 distro and fsck'ing a 20G ext2fs raid-1 partition is not my idea of happy downtime. :( I got fed up with the corrupted ex2fs filesystems on my workstation a month or two ago, and converted to reiserfs. As far as I know, debian doesn't have ReiserFS built into the kernel on the install disks. What most people do, and what I did, is something like the following: - do a very minimal install of debian to a small (200-300 MB) partition. - grab the kernel source and the reiserfs patch - build the kernel module reisertools. - reboot with the new kernel - mkreiserfs /dev/hda3 (or whatever partitions you want to be reiser) - mount -t reiser -notail /dev/hda3 /mnt/new - copy the directories in / (except /mnt/new, /proc, etc) to /mnt/new - mkdir /mnt/new/proc - modify /mnt/new/etc/fstab accordingly - reboot, but at the lilo prompt pass root=/dev/hda3 - edit /etc/lilo.conf as required I've created a 20 MB /boot as ext2fs. The instructions above are off the top of my head. I think better instructions are at debianplanet.org, but I can't remember where. Regards, Wim Kerkhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jamie, On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? I had hardware troubles with 6.2 last year on one particular type of machine and went back to 6.1 which was fine. I use 6.1/6.2 on many machines professionally, not sure of the split, several of them using 1.3.14/1.24_01. My personal preference has always been for Slackware but I'm running mostly older Linux/Apache/mod_perls on those systems, and only four or five of them. One of them has been running for two years non-stop, the others only get booted every few months just for the hell of it. Never corrupted a filesystem except when it was my own silly fault for playing with LILO. Only do that in development! Everything is Perl 5.005_03 except for one machine with 5.6 which is in development. No troubles to speak of with that but I wouldn't risk it on 400,000 users yet. MySQL on some of the machines, Oracle on others, a few oddities with both. Berkeley DB on some, ntpd, sendmail 8.10, emacs 19 etc. on most, no problems. Netscape crashes all the time but it never takes the OS down with it. Only use it to test Websites anyway. XFree86 crashes occasionally and sometimes it does trip the OS. Only use it to run Netscape. But you didn't ask about any of them. There are probably loads of packages I just can't think of right now, sorry guys if you're piqued but thanks anyway. Everything is built from source using Gnu (including the kernels on the Slackware machines, but the RH systems are often out of the box). Considering what a truckload of software is running on these machines we really don't deserve the way they just run and run without trouble. A few people like FreeBSD/Debian/SuSe but no I've experience of them. HTH 73, Ged.
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On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? I replied privately as I think its more appropriate... Can we kill this thread now, before it spirals out of control? Matt.
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heya all: im really waiting for the next bunch of releases here, im hoping that they all start doing a lil more QA before release!! ive tried a lot of different dists and nothing has me going "oh yeah!!" mandrake 7.2 is my current "lesser of Nth evils" last summer i went to town downloading everything from debian to suse and back to slack and redhat at the time i started using mandrake its mod_perl was sett up nice its not bad on 7.2 but it splits up so there is an httpd and an httpd-perl i dont like having to configure both so i un-rpmd then and rolled my own, DSO style install in less than thirty mins drop my config in and zoom!! again some of this has to do with how a dist sets up apache i like it all in /home/ww but most put the conf 's under /etc etc etc. some of these compatiblility file management issues drive me nuts!! and i usually uninstall and recomp my own well that my take on it anyhow -- back in the day we didn't have no old school -dr. frog
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Hi Matt, On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Matt Sergeant wrote: Can we kill this thread now, before it spirals out of control? Yeah, thanks Matt. It *is* late. 73, Ged.
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We use Slackware (oi oi oi), have been since about '95, I love it :) 7.1 on a few machines, but 4.0 on most, Apache 1.3.14 and mod_perl 1.24_01 on nearly all of the important ones. We don't have a mind-boggling load, but several machines with a whole bunch of software/performing many different functions (including development at the same time) run for 6 months at a time on average. I believe there are reiserfs patches, but the only colleague I've seen try it out had a few probs with sendmail (overlapping messages etc), but everything else worked fine. Cheers, NP -Original Message- From: Joshua Chamas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 9:36 AM To: Jamie Krasnoo Cc: Modperl Subject: Re: Looking for a new distro Jamie Krasnoo wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? I haven't used it yet, but I would eagerly be looking for one that has reiserfs compiled in. Is that a debian distro? I'm sitting on a redhat 6.2 distro and fsck'ing a 20G ext2fs raid-1 partition is not my idea of happy downtime. :( -- Josh _ Joshua Chamas Chamas Enterprises Inc. NodeWorks free web link monitoring Huntington Beach, CA USA http://www.nodeworks.com1-714-625-4051
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At 12:32 PM 1/13/01 -0800, you wrote: Ok, I've had it with RH 7.0. Too many problems. What Linux distro are some of you using with Apache 1.3.14 and mod perl 1.24_01? Jamie I have built my own using the Linux From Scratch guidebook. Some of those on the mailing list have incorporated reiserfs, others are using the glibc 2.2 library. I am currently building a router for my LAN with the official release of the 2.4.0 kernel. Another thing I really like about building from source tarballs is that I am not stuck with default installs of Sendmail, wu-ftp, telnet and many of the other security problems the major distros foist onto users. I also get to choose how bleeding edge I want to be (which is not very). I know where everything is because I put it there. And many, many other benefits. I think, therefore, ken_i_m
