Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
On 27 Feb 2003 at 11:35, Gazi, Nasser (London) wrote: A question about mod_perl Developer's Cookbook by Young, Lindner and Kobes: Is this book still relevant and worth buying for mod_perl2 ? (I'm about to dive into web development using Apache/mod_perl and intend to go straight to mp2). Thanks, NG The underlying principles remain the same. And I happen to know that Geoff Young is writing some articles (for perl.com?) that highlight the differences between the two systems using examples from the Cookbook. -Chris
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Feb 2003 at 11:35, Gazi, Nasser (London) wrote: A question about mod_perl Developer's Cookbook by Young, Lindner and Kobes: Is this book still relevant and worth buying for mod_perl2 ? (I'm about to dive into web development using Apache/mod_perl and intend to go straight to mp2). you can read our official statement on this at our website http://www.modperlcookbook.org/modperl2.html the thing I'm finding about mod_perl 2.0 is that it exposes much more of the raw Apache API than mod_perl 1.0 did, so you really need to think more about what Apache is doing under the hood than you did before. in this sense, the Cookbook should help, since that's the attitude we were taking there all along - you'll understand mod_perl better if you understand Apache. whether you're talking about Apache 1.3 or 2.0, most of the underlying Apache fundamentals are the same (after all, it's still HTTP). however, the Cookbook does not have any mod_perl 2.0 specific examples. you'll have to go to the docs for that. http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/ Thanks, NG The underlying principles remain the same. And I happen to know that Geoff Young is writing some articles (for perl.com?) that highlight the differences between the two systems using examples from the Cookbook. yes, you will probably see some mod_perl 2.0 stuff on perl.com over the next few months (perhaps just weeks), but covering all the differences will be a slow process (at best). --Geoff
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Gazi, Nasser (London) wrote:
A question about mod_perl Developer's Cookbook by Young, Lindner and
Kobes:
Is this book still relevant and worth buying for mod_perl2 ?
Yes, but there are parts that are different for mp2, and other things that
are omitted. Remember: mp2 is not finished!
(I'm about to
dive into web development using Apache/mod_perl and intend to go straight to
mp2).
I would spend a little time on a dev server playing with mp1. There is a
lot more documentation, support and community wisdom available there. By
the time you get up to speed mp2 might be closer to its final version ...
- nick
--
Nick Tonkin {|8^)
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
Gazi, Nasser (London) wrote: A question about mod_perl Developer's Cookbook by Young, Lindner and Kobes: Is this book still relevant and worth buying for mod_perl2 ? (I'm about to dive into web development using Apache/mod_perl and intend to go straight to mp2). Remember that mp2 is mp1++. Most of the things that worked in mp1 will work the same way in mp2. In addition mp2 introduces a whole lot of new things. The majority of examples from the Eagle book and The Cookbook should work out of box with Apache::compat. See: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/compat/compat.html Therefore you want to have these two books on your bookshelf. Believe me you won't need to dust them if you do modperl development. Another reason to purchase the book is to support their authors and publishers. If the books don't pay off, don't expect their second editions that should cover modperl 2.0 to come out any time soon, if at all. __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com
Re: [OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon)
Paul Lindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm against frivolous patents myself. It harms the industry and could even be detrimental to mod_perl or Apache if either is found to infringe upon such a patent. That indeed is the problem. Now that the FTC has been scared (or bought?) off, this is the *obvious* move for a large company to try and cut off the air supply of the open source movement. However, please read the following articles before you boycott. The first is an open letter from Jeff Bezos, the second is a fairly lengthy article on the subject by Tim O'Reilly. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/misc/patents.html http://www.oreilly.com/ask_tim/patent_reform_0300.html I read them some time ago, and re-read them again, and I'm still not impressed. Many companies take out software patents, but they claim they're for defensive purposes, so that they can use them to counter-sue. Amazon is the first case I've heard of where someone used them offensively. Jeff Bezos, to my ear, is just making some noises to put the crowd to sleep. He promises to chat with some congressman and that makes it all better? To me the whole point of boycotts is to provide some pressure to behave ethically even when it's not (yet?) legally mandated. Mike808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Barnes and Noble deserves its fair share of disgust for filing counter patent-infringement suits. I'm no fan of Barnes and Noble, but a counter-suit is a counter-suit... the other guy was already playing dirty, before they started in with it. And since BN owns Fatbrain, Yeah, I know, and am not happy about it, but at least it puts a dollar into the pocket of Amazons victim. so BookPool is my vendor of choice currently for price-conscious book shopping. Thanks, I'll look into that one.
Re: [OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon)
On Mon, 4 Feb 2002, Joe Brenner wrote: so BookPool is my vendor of choice currently for price-conscious book shopping. Thanks, I'll look into that one. Or better yet, go to www.booksense.com, enter your zip code, and shop online at an independent local book-seller near you. It might be a little more expensive but chances are they'll carry whatever book you want and it will ship quickly. And you'll be supporting a locally owned small business, owned by actual human beings, not some giant corporate machine. -dave /*== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==*/
[OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
Hi all, On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Joe Brenner wrote: Spend only $4 more, and you too can show your disgust for software patents. And while you're doing that, think how lucky you are to have the luxury. 73, Ged.
[OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon)
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Joe Brenner wrote: Spend only $4 more, and you too can show your disgust for software patents. Patents are bad. But don't forget that Amazon has also engaged in union-busting, which is several orders of magnitude worse, IMO. -dave /*== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==*/
Re: [OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon)
Joe Brenner wrote: Spend only $4 more, and you too can show your disgust for software patents. Worth every penny. And Barnes and Noble deserves its fair share of disgust for filing counter patent-infringement suits. And since BN now own Fatbrain, so BookPool is my vendor of choice currently for price-conscious book shopping. For niche publishers with small circulation, I try to buy direct from the publisher (e.g. Manning) so that they actually get more of the money I'm spending anyway to keep publishing that kind of work. And AllBookstores.com is now offering it at the same price as Amazon. So now it doesn't cost me anything to show my disgust for software and business model patents. As for the Amazon kickback, well, you have a sucky publisher for not giving you more of your directly generated sales. Mike808/ -- perl -le $_='7284254074:0930970:H4012816';tr[0-][ BOPEN!SMUT];print
Re: [OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon)
On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 10:03:09AM -0600, Mike808 wrote: Joe Brenner wrote: Spend only $4 more, and you too can show your disgust for software patents. Worth every penny. I'm against frivolous patents myself. It harms the industry and could even be detrimental to mod_perl or Apache if either is found to infringe upon such a patent. However, please read the following articles before you boycott. The first is an open letter from Jeff Bezos, the second is a fairly lengthy article on the subject by Tim O'Reilly. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/misc/patents.html http://www.oreilly.com/ask_tim/patent_reform_0300.html And AllBookstores.com is now offering it at the same price as Amazon. So now it doesn't cost me anything to show my disgust for software and business model patents. As for the Amazon kickback, well, you have a sucky publisher for not giving you more of your directly generated sales. Well, sometimes you have to take what you can get... Please note that it did take some convincing to get this thing published. No one seemed to believe that there is a market for mod_perl books. I am hoping that this book is a success. Not only for the obvious altruistic reasons, but also for mod_perl itself. It's sometimes depressing going into a bookstore to find shelf-upon-shelf of Java-web books -- against a puny outcrop of mod_perl related tomes... So, to reiterate. Buy your copy whichever way suits you best. Amazon or not. In either case a big THANK YOU to all... We wouldn't even be having this discussion if it wasn't for this wonderful community. -- Paul Lindner[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | | | | mod_perl Developer's Cookbook http://www.modperlcookbook.org Human Rights Declaration http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/index.htm
Re: [OT] Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook (and Amazon)
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Paul Lindner wrote: On Sat, Feb 02, 2002 at 10:03:09AM -0600, Mike808 wrote: Joe Brenner wrote: Spend only $4 more, and you too can show your disgust for software patents. Worth every penny. I'm against frivolous patents myself. It harms the industry and could even be detrimental to mod_perl or Apache if either is found to infringe upon such a patent. Do you mean like this one from Sun: http://l2.espacenet.com/dips/viewer?PN=WO0163481CY=epLG=enDB=EPD It's a patent covered directly by two Apache technologies: AxKit and Cocoon. The ASF have however taken steps to get reassurance from Sun they won't enforce this against them, and Apache has the prior art anyhow. Just another example of how terrible the USPO is. -- !-- Matt -- :-Get a smart net/:-
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
Paul == Paul Lindner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Paul Now you're talking! I wonder if YAS would consider funding Paul perl-related projects like mod_perl? Perhaps if we had a big name Paul (Ticketmaster?) we could get the ball rolling on such a thing.. YAS isn't a magic bullet. YAS can certainly act as a tax-exempt pipeline, but you're really asking can the mod_perl community find it amongst themselves to fund a developer or two similar to how Damian was funded last year? Maybe. Maybe not. Until Damian and Dan and Larry get funded for this year, probably not. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Paul Lindner wrote: I won't deal with amazon: http://www.noamazon.com I just added a page with direct links for eight other bookstores. It's now available at http://www.modperlcookbook.org/order.html Amazon are the cheapest though: http://www.allbookstores.com/book/compare/0672322404 :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do(); more than a billion impressions per week, http://valueclick.com
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Paul Lindner wrote: I won't deal with amazon: http://www.noamazon.com I just added a page with direct links for eight other bookstores. It's now available at http://www.modperlcookbook.org/order.html Amazon are the cheapest though: http://www.allbookstores.com/book/compare/0672322404 Spend only $4 more, and you too can show your disgust for software patents. :-) ?
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
ordered my today through the website (puts a little extra money in the hands of mod_perlers: http://www.modperlcookbook.org/ cliff Matt Sergeant wrote: My copy just arrived! I'll try and get through most of it as fast as I can and post a review. Congrats Geoff, Paul and Randy. Looks great at first glance. -- !-- Matt -- :-Get a smart net/:- -- ___cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.genwax.com/
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
For the Canadians out there you can get it at Chapters.Indigo.CA too Search for Geoffrey Young as mod_perl does not come up through their search engine. Jay - Original Message - From: ___cliff rayman___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook ordered my today through the website (puts a little extra money in the hands of mod_perlers: http://www.modperlcookbook.org/ cliff Matt Sergeant wrote: My copy just arrived! I'll try and get through most of it as fast as I can and post a review. Congrats Geoff, Paul and Randy. Looks great at first glance. -- !-- Matt -- :-Get a smart net/:- -- ___cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.genwax.com/
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
FYI canadians based in vancouver can get this at http://www.granvillebooks.com/ ive had way better experience ordering from them than ordering from chapters they tell me itll take two weeks though as its a brand new item if you are in this area please check em out they have a great selection, and their comp book are pretty much always 20% off! Jay Lawrence wrote: For the Canadians out there you can get it at Chapters.Indigo.CA too Search for Geoffrey Young as mod_perl does not come up through their search engine. Jay - Original Message - From: ___cliff rayman___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook ordered my today through the website (puts a little extra money in the hands of mod_perlers: http://www.modperlcookbook.org/ cliff Matt Sergeant wrote: My copy just arrived! I'll try and get through most of it as fast as I can and post a review. Congrats Geoff, Paul and Randy. Looks great at first glance. -- !-- Matt -- :-Get a smart net/:- -- ___cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.genwax.com/
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
___cliff rayman___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ordered my today through the website (puts a little extra money in the hands of mod_perlers: http://www.modperlcookbook.org/ I just ordered mine through fatbrain, myself, I won't deal with amazon: http://www.noamazon.com If there's a mod_perl developer's fund I could contribute to (like YAS), I'd be glad to send them a check.
Re: mod_perl Developer's Cookbook
On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 06:18:55PM -0800, Joe Brenner wrote: ordered my today through the website (puts a little extra money in the hands of mod_perlers: http://www.modperlcookbook.org/ I just ordered mine through fatbrain, myself... Thanks! I won't deal with amazon: http://www.noamazon.com I just added a page with direct links for eight other bookstores. It's now available at http://www.modperlcookbook.org/order.html If there's a mod_perl developer's fund I could contribute to (like YAS), I'd be glad to send them a check. Now you're talking! I wonder if YAS would consider funding perl-related projects like mod_perl? Perhaps if we had a big name (Ticketmaster?) we could get the ball rolling on such a thing.. -- Paul Lindner[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | | | | | mod_perl Developer's Cookbook http://www.modperlcookbook.org Human Rights Declaration http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/index.htm
