Re: [MOSAIC] strategies
That is the plan eventually...right now teachers are very comfortable with the basal and it's a challenge for many of them to see past the "drill and kill" worksheets... Round Rock is really growing...lots of traffic but still fun to visit...also I'm new to this newsletter...I guess I should have posted this on some main bulletin ... still learning >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/08/07 6:38 PM >>> We are starting with Comprehension Connections this Friday at an inservice, but some of our teachers already teach strategies. Hey, I just realized that you are in Hurst-Euless-Bedford. - I used to be in Round Rock. Nice to hear from a Texan. Does your district want you to move away from the basal? Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: Judy Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:57 am Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] strategies We are in need of moving teachers out of the basal...we have just introduced Debbie Miller and Ellin Keene any suggestions on how to get more teachers "to come to the party"... Judy >>> "Linda Buice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/08/07 8:09 AM >>> Hi Cathy, I was interested in what you were going to do for 90 minutes to practice gradual release of responsibility with teachers. We are also in need of that in our school. Linda ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
In our school district, RTI cannot be a special ed function it has to be in the general ed arena. Tracy On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:18:16 -0700, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Respone to Intervention (scientific, or course). RtI is being used by > special ed departments in delivery of services to individual and small > groups of students. > > > mosaic@literacyworkshop.org wrote: >> >> what is rti? >> >> >> >> Leslie >> >> NY >> >> K-8 >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:40 pm >> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI >> >> >> >> >> My district started investigating RTI last year and we are using the >> tiering >> system this year. I'm an AIS reading teacher. Because of the tiering >> we have >> some groups limited to 3 kids (tier 3) and 6 kids (tier 2). We have >> not been >> told to use any specific program yet, but I could see it coming because >> of >> the need for frequent progress monitoring. That is different from our >> previous >> AIS where the kids were formally assessed 3 times a year with DRA or QRI >> testing. Our school psychologist is pushing for DIBELS, but after using >> it >> briefly and reading the book by Elaine Garan where she addresses valid >> reasons >> for >> not using it, I'm hoping we won't. Is your district advocating the >> Options >> program because they wanted a common intervention for all tier 3 kids? >> I'd also >> like to hear from other interventionists and if RTI has hit their >> districts. >> Michelle, NY 2-5 Reading >> >> >> >> ** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> >> >> >> >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > ___ > Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com > > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of stragies
>I still believe connections are important, but I don't worry too much about >labeling. Do we ever really master a comprehension strategy??? > I don't think it's possible to 'master' a strategy because there are always situations and levels of understanding that will challenge even the best readers. If you understand the strategies, you have a toolbox full of skills that you can use to comprehend, but I don't know if that could be considered mastery. Bill ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] strategies
We are starting with Comprehension Connections this Friday at an inservice, but some of our teachers already teach strategies. Hey, I just realized that you are in Hurst-Euless-Bedford. - I used to be in Round Rock. Nice to hear from a Texan. Does your district want you to move away from the basal? Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: Judy Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:57 am Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] strategies We are in need of moving teachers out of the basal...we have just introduced Debbie Miller and Ellin Keene any suggestions on how to get more teachers "to come to the party"... Judy >>> "Linda Buice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/08/07 8:09 AM >>> Hi Cathy, I was interested in what you were going to do for 90 minutes to practice gradual release of responsibility with teachers. We are also in need of that in our school. Linda ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] strategies
Right now, we are planning to do an overview of our district comprehension strategy and word study initiatives for about 30-45 minutes with everyone. Then , we are splitting into three groups to do model lessons, to include the GRR format. I will have k-1 and I plan to do the metacognition lesson with the reading salad from McGregor, maybe the think bubble lesson, and then the connection lesson from Reading with Meaning with The Relatives Came.The specialists doing the other grade levels are dealing with slightly different lessons. Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: Linda Buice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 9:09 am Subject: [MOSAIC] strategies Hi Cathy, I was interested in what you were going to do for 90 minutes to practice gradual release of responsibility with teachers. We are also in need of that in our school. Linda ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
In some of the exploring of research I have done, I can see that the DIBELS "researchers" and the?RtI "researchers" overlap quite a bit.? Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org; mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:16 am Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI It is important to read the IDEA wording that includes many repetitions of "scientific evidence." The three tiers are built on this assumed "scientific evidence." Tier One has been used tell teachers that "core reading" programs with "scientific research" should meet the needs of 80% of their readers. We now know through the What Works Clearinghouse that NONE of these core programs have the scientific research that meets the requirements for "scientific evidence." (Only Success for All had more than one scientific study to qualify for review, and SFA received a potentially positive rating for general reading achievement-but had "mixed results" on comprehension.) And, in schools where the "core" program hasn't met the needs of 80%, teachers are being pressured to believe its their fault, and/or they need to follow the program even more closely (implying the integrity of the program must have been compromised). NOT that the core program does not have any scientific evidence to support following it even more closely. The next two tiers are supposed to meet the needs of the next 15% and 5 % of struggling readers. And, of course these programs are supposed to have scientific research too. All the programs I have seen listed in Tier 2 & 3 do NOT have effective ratings at WWC, either. (Surprised?) The programs I have seen on these Tiers are supposedly chosen because the their research was supported by Oregon Reading First. I wish I were kidding, but this seems like the Twilight Zone. Interestingly most, if not all of these programs have "potentially positive effects" on alphabetics and/or fluency at WWC, but none for comprehension, nor general reading achievement. (One in particular had potentially negative effects on comprehension. So for all those DIBELS schools pushing reading rate, they too might expect to see comprehension to suffer, based on this "scientific" program.) Importantly, on all the program Tier Frameworks I have seen Reading Recovery is not included at any Tier. That is the most interesting because it of course if the ONLY beginning reading programs to get the WWC highest rating (strong evidence) for general reading achievement. (I think the news that RR was black-balled is still being used against it by Special Ed.) Those who have been using DIBELS are just starting to abandon it in favor of AIMSWEB. My question is what "scientific" evidence that using these screens at AIMSWEB actually improves reading achievement (on other measures especially) in comprehension or general reading achievement. RtI requires these screens because the students identified must be compared across their entire group of peers. (Claims are made that the screens are good for all of course.) They are attractive (screens) because they are CHEAP and QUICK, and can be done whole group in some cases. And, I understand the graphs are pretty. (But, scoring the writing screens isn't "quick," I've heard. Of course the fluency screen has a timed factor because how else could they graph something? So AIMSWEB screens just break reading down into its meaningless parts in more/different ways than DIBELS, and I have yet to see the "scientific" evidence to support it use either. It appears nobody at the U.S. Department of Education has told state Special Education departments about the What Works Clearinghouse, or the Reading First debacle, so they push blindly forward. john d. mosaic@literacyworkshop.org wrote: >What is RTI and could you please explain the tiering system further. >Thanks. >J.Hayden > > >On 10/6/07 6:40 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My district started investigating RTI last year and we are using the tiering >> system this year. I'm an AIS reading teacher. > > >___ >Mosaic mailing list >Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
I just went to my first training for RtI on October 4. We are starting this year, but it is not required until Fall 2008. I am the reading specialist and will probably have a variety of duties - advising teachers about strategies for intervention, doing interventions myself, and keeping the data. I would love to have some advice via this group, since? we will all be implementing it soon. Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Sent: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI Anyone from this group involved with Response to Intervention (RTI). Our district just began this process this year. I was assigned to be an interventionist at Tier 3. I was told that I needed to use Options Intervention materials. Is anyone in the same position and/or has experience using Options? Joyce -- Original message -- From: "Nancy Hagerty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/07 7:39 PM >>> > I'm torn between starting with > "Mosaic of Thought" or "Reading with Meaning." What do you all think? > Also, as far as starting the group. . . What do you think would be the > best possible way of advertising? We all know that not every teacher is > open to new ideas and I really want to present it in the best light > possible. Please share any of your thoughts or personal experiences. > > > > Hi Christina. > > While I absolutely LOVE Reading with Meaning, many of our staff members > didn't even care to look at it once they found out Debbie was a first > grade teacher. They felt her style didn't work for them and that what > she was doing didn't pertain to them. (They are missing SOO much) > but, that being said you may want to start with the new Mosaic and then > move on with those that show an interest. > > Good luck! > Nancy > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
I agree that we need to stop the referral to special ed as the first resort instead of the last and am hopeful that RtI will help. This is a federal mandate, not a state mandate, but if I understand, state can submit various plans for approval. Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 11:07 pm Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI In NYS, I believe, eventual RTI (response to intervention) involvement is not optional. It is part of the state push to lower special education classification numbers. The idea is that we make sure we have given a child the best possible intervention before we make assumptions about learning disabilities. It also includes the idea that even if a child does have a learning disability, we need to have a real and concrete plan for addressing the child's learning needs. In the past we worked with the discrepancy model which looked for a certain gap between a child's actual achievement and their expected potential. That model assumed that the child was receiving the best possible intervention, which isn't always the case. The tiers indicate the child's level of instruction, tier three being the most needy and perhaps will end up being classified with a learning disability. Tier one, grade level and doing fine. In our school, use of this model has been ok. I have found that special education teachers and reading teachers are working much more closely together. This is a good thing. It's all a continuum of learning needs, in my opinion. We have had experiences with children that we were pretty sure would end up under the Committee for Special Education who did not after the "tier 3" intervention we were able to provide. This intervention for the most needy learners has worked out to be that sometimes a child will have 3 reading lessons a day, planned pretty congruently: one from the Title I Reading teacher, one from the special education teacher and one from their classroom teacher. I've been a teacher for a long time and I do have mixed feelings about this stuff. Overall, I am ok with it and have been able to shape my piece in it to contain what I believe to be best for my students in Title I. I work in a small district in which we are able to contribute specifically with the direction our programs go. I am curious to hear other people's experiences. Cathy Title I Reading NYS ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
We will probably face this same problem. However, at the state training, there was some indication that a state level universal assessment may be developed ( we were talking about math at the time). Has anyone else heard of a state level universal assessment system? Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: jkyingling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI I'm curious to know what will you use as your universal screening tool if you don't use DIBELS? Will it be AIMSWeb? We're using DIBELS and it's just not enough. Our kids need screened for reading comprehension and math and the DIBELS just doesn't do that. Our school psychologist is pushing for DIBELS, but after using it > briefly and reading the book by Elaine Garan where she addresses valid reasons for > not using it, I'm hoping we won't. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Help. .(again)
I totally agree with Jennifer's advice on the books. -Original Message- From: Paula Rushia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 8:29 am Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Help. .(again) At my school, our Reading With Meaning book club was open to all grade levels, and as a fifth grade teacher, I'm so glad I joined it. RWM clearly explains how to teach the strategies described in Mosaic. I found it easy to envision how Miller's lessons would look in a fifth grade classroom. Paula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a similar experience...intermediate teachers were turned off by the primary focus. One group picked Mosaic rather than Strategies That Work (it looked shorter) but found it too abstract. They wanted practical. Those that did Strategies That Work were intimidated at first by the size of the book but found it the most practical and applicable of all... Jennifer Maryland In a message dated 10/4/2007 9:02:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm torn between starting with "Mosaic of Thought" or "Reading with Meaning." What do you all think? Also, as far as starting the group. . . What do you think would be the best possible way of advertising? We all know that not every teacher is open to new ideas and I really want to present it in the best light possible. Please share any of your thoughts or personal experiences. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. - Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] mastery of stragies
I still believe connections are important, but I don't worry too much about labeling. Do we ever really master a comprehension strategy??? Cathy K-5 DE -Original Message- From: gina nunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 2:47 pm Subject: [MOSAIC] mastery of stragies Am I right that the STW 2 doesn't focus on connecting? I am about to rethink it myself. I just spent 2 weeks on it. Forcing a connection, and then forcing a So What? meaningful use of the connection isn't flowing well. I also decided after several years that insisting they code T-S, T-T, and T-W isn't really necessary either. I am being much simpler. I am saying Hey did this remind you of anything...oh yeah? What? Oh do you think that you can use that information to understand and event or character...no OK let's go on. Yes OK let's talk about that. No connection? OK let's keep reading. Or maybe I add my own. I see teachers, myself included, forcing the strategy work and it just doesn't work that way most days, which leaves me wondering how to talk to my district about MASTERY. See we need to do common assessments to show mastery of our strategy unit. What would you say to them? Thanks, Gina 6th grade. _ Boo!?Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
[MOSAIC] john d of springfield
John- thanks for putting everything out there for and about RTI- Our district sent us to a one day workshop last year-presented by people who have dealings with Oregon U and Dibels, and at the end of it the 3 of us (reading specialists) still had no idea what it was. However we are being told to implement it this year-basically we're just following the tiering methods! And our district uses NO core programs for reading except for Fountas & Pinnells reading and writing workshop models. So-Either states have to figure out what they need to do to satisfy these new requirements, or we are just spinning our wheels. Does your district attempt to implement RTI? Michelle-NY-25 reading n a message dated 10/8/2007 12:00:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is important to read the IDEA wording that includes many repetitions of "scientific evidence." The three tiers are built on this assumed "scientific evidence." Tier One has been used tell teachers that "core reading" programs with "scientific research" should meet the needs of 80% of their readers. We now know through the What Works Clearinghouse that NONE of these core programs have the scientific research that meets the requirements for "scientific evidence." (Only Success for All had more than one scientific study to qualify for review, and SFA received a potentially positive rating for general reading achievement-but had "mixed results" on comprehension.) And, in schools where the "core" program hasn't met the needs of 80%, teachers are being pressured to believe its their fault, and/or they need to follow the program even more closely (implying the integrity of the program must have been compromised). NOT that the core program does not have any scientific evidence to support following it even more closely. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI, Dibels, Tiering
In a message dated 10/8/07 11:46:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Are there any other people > doing RTI that can comment- and this RTI is not just New York- it is a > federal > requirement that was inserted into a dry rehashing of the IDEA > reauthorization-most district head didn't even realize it was there! > I'm in NY and doing RTI with middle schoolers. The district is very big on triangulation to determine improvement. We are giving all students the MAP test (www.nwea.org) , looking at ELA scores, core subject grades and assessments in the AIS class. Pat - NY ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
[MOSAIC] RTI, Dibels, Tiering
Cathy from NY stated very clearly the purpose of RTI-response to intervention-and it's tiering system. In response to another post about what we're using to monitor students, we haven't really gotten that far yet. I know that with DIBELS you could actually do weekly probes, but that assessment isn't authentic. When you work with kids in second grade and lower, I imagine running records from a leveled book plus some conversation to assess comprehension will be enough, but my fourth and fifth graders are using longer books. Plus, we'll need standardized administration and data collection to support continuing with interventions or going for classification. Are there any other people doing RTI that can comment- and this RTI is not just New York- it is a federal requirement that was inserted into a dry rehashing of the IDEA reauthorization-most district head didn't even realize it was there! Michelle 2-5, reading intervention ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
Respone to Intervention (scientific, or course). RtI is being used by special ed departments in delivery of services to individual and small groups of students. mosaic@literacyworkshop.org wrote: > >what is rti? > > > >Leslie > >NY > >K-8 > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:40 pm >Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI > > > > >My district started investigating RTI last year and we are using the tiering >system this year. I'm an AIS reading teacher. Because of the tiering we have >some groups limited to 3 kids (tier 3) and 6 kids (tier 2). We have not been >told to use any specific program yet, but I could see it coming because of >the need for frequent progress monitoring. That is different from our previous > >AIS where the kids were formally assessed 3 times a year with DRA or QRI >testing. Our school psychologist is pushing for DIBELS, but after using it >briefly and reading the book by Elaine Garan where she addresses valid reasons > >for >not using it, I'm hoping we won't. Is your district advocating the Options >program because they wanted a common intervention for all tier 3 kids? I'd >also > like to hear from other interventionists and if RTI has hit their districts. >Michelle, NY 2-5 Reading > > > >** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >___ >Mosaic mailing list >Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >http://mail.aol.com >___ >Mosaic mailing list >Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI
It is important to read the IDEA wording that includes many repetitions of "scientific evidence." The three tiers are built on this assumed "scientific evidence." Tier One has been used tell teachers that "core reading" programs with "scientific research" should meet the needs of 80% of their readers. We now know through the What Works Clearinghouse that NONE of these core programs have the scientific research that meets the requirements for "scientific evidence." (Only Success for All had more than one scientific study to qualify for review, and SFA received a potentially positive rating for general reading achievement-but had "mixed results" on comprehension.) And, in schools where the "core" program hasn't met the needs of 80%, teachers are being pressured to believe its their fault, and/or they need to follow the program even more closely (implying the integrity of the program must have been compromised). NOT that the core program does not have any scientific evidence to support following it even more closely. The next two tiers are supposed to meet the needs of the next 15% and 5 % of struggling readers. And, of course these programs are supposed to have scientific research too. All the programs I have seen listed in Tier 2 & 3 do NOT have effective ratings at WWC, either. (Surprised?) The programs I have seen on these Tiers are supposedly chosen because the their research was supported by Oregon Reading First. I wish I were kidding, but this seems like the Twilight Zone. Interestingly most, if not all of these programs have "potentially positive effects" on alphabetics and/or fluency at WWC, but none for comprehension, nor general reading achievement. (One in particular had potentially negative effects on comprehension. So for all those DIBELS schools pushing reading rate, they too might expect to see comprehension to suffer, based on this "scientific" program.) Importantly, on all the program Tier Frameworks I have seen Reading Recovery is not included at any Tier. That is the most interesting because it of course if the ONLY beginning reading programs to get the WWC highest rating (strong evidence) for general reading achievement. (I think the news that RR was black-balled is still being used against it by Special Ed.) Those who have been using DIBELS are just starting to abandon it in favor of AIMSWEB. My question is what "scientific" evidence that using these screens at AIMSWEB actually improves reading achievement (on other measures especially) in comprehension or general reading achievement. RtI requires these screens because the students identified must be compared across their entire group of peers. (Claims are made that the screens are good for all of course.) They are attractive (screens) because they are CHEAP and QUICK, and can be done whole group in some cases. And, I understand the graphs are pretty. (But, scoring the writing screens isn't "quick," I've heard. Of course the fluency screen has a timed factor because how else could they graph something? So AIMSWEB screens just break reading down into its meaningless parts in more/different ways than DIBELS, and I have yet to see the "scientific" evidence to support it use either. It appears nobody at the U.S. Department of Education has told state Special Education departments about the What Works Clearinghouse, or the Reading First debacle, so they push blindly forward. john d. mosaic@literacyworkshop.org wrote: >What is RTI and could you please explain the tiering system further. >Thanks. >J.Hayden > > >On 10/6/07 6:40 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> My district started investigating RTI last year and we are using the tiering >> system this year. I'm an AIS reading teacher. > > >___ >Mosaic mailing list >Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Sent through e-mol. E-mail, Anywhere, Anytime. http://www.e-mol.com ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] strategies
We are in need of moving teachers out of the basal...we have just introduced Debbie Miller and Ellin Keene any suggestions on how to get more teachers "to come to the party"... Judy >>> "Linda Buice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10/08/07 8:09 AM >>> Hi Cathy, I was interested in what you were going to do for 90 minutes to practice gradual release of responsibility with teachers. We are also in need of that in our school. Linda ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
[MOSAIC] strategies
Hi Cathy, I was interested in what you were going to do for 90 minutes to practice gradual release of responsibility with teachers. We are also in need of that in our school. Linda ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
