Re: [MOSAIC] Nancy Boyles

2009-07-25 Thread read3



Deb - It's a great book with some great ideas, but as Kelly said, 
"What ends up happening though is  that teachers then are only teaching to 
those questions and there is so much more to reading than 
answering open-ended responses.  Kelly AB"

it can also be very limiting.?? It basically takes open-ended questions that 
are typically asked on the CT Mastery Test, and provides two things: #1 - the 
reading strategy behind being able to respond to the question, and #2, ? 
strategies for the written response.? The danger is that folks focus on the 
written response BEFORE really thinking about what has to occur DURING reading 
in order to even answer the question.

Nancy Boyles does provide great picture book titles, fiction and nonfiction, to 
support the thinking, which is helpful for teachers who are not yet comfortable 
unpacking the picture books in their own collection.? What I do like about her 
suggested titles is that they are well written, by a variety of authors, many 
are newer titles and are multicultural.?? 
Hope that helps.
Martha


 


 

On 7/25/09 11:53 AM, "debhold...@aol.com"  wrote:



Has anyone read and used the book:? That's a Grea Answer by Nancy Boyles?? 
Would 
you recommend this purchase?? Why or why not?

Thank you.

Deb Holden
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Re: [MOSAIC] Nancy Boyles

2009-07-25 Thread Beverlee Paul
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  It helps me slide off the ledge I've
been resting on for several months while her books lie on my possibilities
book on amazon.

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  wrote:

>
>
>
> Deb - It's a great book with some great ideas, but as Kelly said,
> "What ends up happening though is  that teachers then are only teaching to
> those questions and there is so much more to reading than
> answering open-ended responses.  Kelly AB"
>
> it can also be very limiting.?? It basically takes open-ended questions
> that are typically asked on the CT Mastery Test, and provides two things: #1
> - the reading strategy behind being able to respond to the question, and #2,
> ? strategies for the written response.? The danger is that folks focus on
> the written response BEFORE really thinking about what has to occur DURING
> reading in order to even answer the question.
>
> Nancy Boyles does provide great picture book titles, fiction and
> nonfiction, to support the thinking, which is helpful for teachers who are
> not yet comfortable unpacking the picture books in their own collection.?
> What I do like about her suggested titles is that they are well written, by
> a variety of authors, many are newer titles and are multicultural.??
> Hope that helps.
> Martha
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/25/09 11:53 AM, "debhold...@aol.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
> Has anyone read and used the book:? That's a Grea Answer by Nancy Boyles??
> Would
> you recommend this purchase?? Why or why not?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Deb Holden
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[MOSAIC] Nancy Boyles

2009-07-25 Thread Domina . Natasha
I teach outside of New Haven, inside the range of districts devoted to Nancy 
Boyles, and just got my masters in reading from the university where she 
teaches, so I had to buy many of her books.  My opinion is that her books are 
very good for finding worksheets you can xerox and use right away with 
students.  They are quite structured.  They also are very explicit about what 
students should say/write in response to texts.  I think they can be good 
resources for beginning teachers, teachers who are just starting to move away 
from just working out of a teacher guide, or when a teacher just doesn't have a 
lot of time and needs to pull something quickly.  I think teachers who already 
do a lot with comprehension and have read To Understand by Ellin Keene or books 
in that vein might find that Nancy doesn't push either students or teachers 
hard enough.  I've also attended a lot of workshops with the Reading and 
Writing Project that Lucy Calkins heads, and have read lots of books written by 
people connected to that.  I feel like those people and their writings bring up 
important questions, push me to grapple with the answers, and ultimately help 
make me become smarter and inspire me to grow as a teacher.  I feel like Nancy 
Boyles writes about similar important ideas relating to comprehension, but more 
gives teachers the answers she has come up with.  There are sometimes when I 
appreciate how she articulates comprehension ideas and breaks them down 
explicitly to share with children, but her books aren't professional 
development books I treasure and reread.  I do have several on my shelves and 
pull them out on Mondays when I didn't work hard enough over the weekend and 
need to grab something to give students.  Rather than a mentor, Nancy Boyles 
(through her books) is more like the colleague who hands you worksheets in the 
xerox room.

That's my opinion.  There are lots of people in my district who LOVE her.  (I'm 
not sure whether those people are teacher who read Lucy Calkins or Ellin Keene 
or Debby Miller, though.)

Natasha

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Has anyone read and used the book:? That's a Grea Answer by Nancy Boyles?? 
Would you recommend this purchase?? Why or why not?

Thank you.

Deb Holden


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Re: [MOSAIC] SSR & gaps in reading series

2009-07-25 Thread beverleepaul
What is LBD?
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-Original Message-
From: Carmen Matsuura 

Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:02:00 
To: MOSAIC
Subject: [MOSAIC] SSR &  gaps in reading series




> I am required to use the HM reading series. At grade level 4 what they 
> call phonics is not what I consider phonics. > 

 

 

I feel your pain.  We will be required to use the LBD reading series in grades 
K-5 starting this year. It is lacking in so many areas.  Luckily, we've been 
told to keep the program pure at the beginning and then we may be able to bring 
in other components/ideas (literature circles, authentic texts, etc.) to fill 
in the gaps.  Hopefully you'll be able to do the same and provide for phonics 
teaching using real texts.

 

In The Book Whisperer, Donalyn Miller was able to fill in the gaps and in 
particular provide for SSR even though she was required to follow a program.


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Re: [MOSAIC] Groups

2009-07-25 Thread Joanne Stano

Elisa,

I was catching up and read about your writing club.  I would love to  
have your notes.  I teach 3rd grade and have a lunch time book club.


Joanne/Ohio
jst...@wadsnet.com
On Jul 23, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Waingort Jimenez, Elisa wrote:


Hi,
I did a writing club this past year with the grades 1 - 3 at my  
school.  I never expected to get the response I got and I didn't  
turn anyone away.  During the year a few kids dropped out (they  
called it quitting, which for some reason the term "quitting"  
bothers me but that's another post) but for the most part they all  
stayed for the entire year - end of October - end of April.  I had  
to do two lunch times to accomodate the numbers.  This year I'm  
planning to just do one day (two days back-to-back was a bit too  
much for me) and limit the numbers to 25, preferrably 20.  I did a  
presentation on writing club at my local teachers convention.  If  
you are interested I can send it to you offline and if you have any  
specific questions, please feel free to ask.  Also, this year one of  
the 1st grade teachers is thinking of doing writing club for the  
grade ones which means I could just focus on the upper grades.

Elisa

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

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even touched. They must be felt within the heart.

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I would like to get some suggestions from you guys on ideas for  
starting some sort of book club, writing club, poetry club, etc. to  
do with students either during lunch, before or after school. What  
things have you done? This is my third year as a reading specialist  
at a K-5 school.I don't know if I want to target remedial readers or  
high readers. My principal is all for doing things above and beyond  
and I would like to bring something fresh to the table this year. I  
appreciate any suggestions you may have.


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[MOSAIC] SSR & gaps in reading series

2009-07-25 Thread Carmen Matsuura


> I am required to use the HM reading series. At grade level 4 what they 
> call phonics is not what I consider phonics. > 

 

 

I feel your pain.  We will be required to use the LBD reading series in grades 
K-5 starting this year. It is lacking in so many areas.  Luckily, we've been 
told to keep the program pure at the beginning and then we may be able to bring 
in other components/ideas (literature circles, authentic texts, etc.) to fill 
in the gaps.  Hopefully you'll be able to do the same and provide for phonics 
teaching using real texts.

 

In The Book Whisperer, Donalyn Miller was able to fill in the gaps and in 
particular provide for SSR even though she was required to follow a program.


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Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher

2009-07-25 Thread rr1981
Yes I agree that aren't phonics.  I must have a phonics objective 
listed for each week in language arts, and this is what I will be 
using.


Rosie-who is phonically challenged!


-Original Message-
From: beverleep...@gmail.com
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 


Sent: Sat, Jul 25, 2009 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher










I can't believe HM calls this phonics!  Paul McKee must be spinning in 
his

grave!!
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-Original Message-
From: "John Ferrara" 

Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:21:27
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email 
Group

Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher


Rosie, you are right, it's not phonics . I have to use HM, too. Those 
pieces
of language that we mostly focus on: roots, endings, prefixes, 
suffixes,
compound words, etc. in 3rd, 4th , 5th are officially called 
"structural
analysis" and aren't technically phonics, but go hand in hand with 
phonics

once the students have the basics of phonics down. Structural analysis
contributes to improving vocabulary and reading fluency in the upper 
elem.

grades.

- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher


I am required to use the HM reading series.  At grade level 4 what 

they
call phonics is not what I consider phonics.  For instance ...base 

words,
suffixes, contractions, word roots, and homophones.  In my mind this 

is not

phonics,  I would call this word work.

Rosie


-Original Message-
From: Jackson,Jane A 
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group

Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher










Phonic Instruction should be in all grades through grade 6.. and when 

done
effectively will impact students reading when continued through grade 

8...
Spelling skills are increased -- word recognition and retention, as 

well

as
meaning are impacted. Look through the research. You will find that
phonics is
most effective when taught with direct explicit instruction - and 

then

taken
right into the text. Lesson on the spelling and formation of the 

mouth and

sound
plus as students are older and you add affixes they directly change 

the
meanings. Phonics instruction at upper grades also allows the student 

to

look at
language origins. But, again -- each time there is instruction in 

phonics

you
must locate it in the book or passage you are reading and discuss it 

in

context.
That's where students make the connection between reading is writing 

--

writing
is for reading and spelling it appropriately makes it readable!



From: mosaic-bounces+jjackso=nwmissouri@literacyworkshop.org on 

behalf

of
Jeanne Garringer
Sent: Wed 7/22/2009 7:42 AM
To: mosaic listserve
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher




 I have taught for 18 years in either grades K or 1, and I am a 

real
proponent of systematic phonics instruction as providing a solid base 

of
letter/sound representation in terms of decoding strategies for 

beginning
readers.  Please check out the National Reading Panel's findings in 

the

area of
phonics.  The information is very comprehensive and serves as a good
rationale
in terms of a research base for using phonics instruction in your
classroom.

Now in terms of "do all children need phonics?", not all children
learn in
the same fashion, so I would advocate a more "balanced" approach that
would
include whole language instruction as well as the phonics.  Afterall, 

our

goal
is for every word to eventually become a sight word.  I have found 

that

phonics
instruction is most helpful for my students that struggle; however, 

my

stronger
readers use phonics skills to help them decode more difficult words 

and

when
they are writing to help them spell words.

 The bottom line is "gaining meaning" from text.  Children can 

decode

words
all day, but if they aren't gaining meaning from what they are 

reading,

then
technically they are not "reading".  So yes, teach phonics along side
other word
recognition strategies in order to catch all readers.  Make sure that
these
skills are taught and applied in context of real text.  Decodeable 

phoncis

texts
tend to be boring and have very little plot.  The children don't like 

them

either.

 You say that you teach 2nd grade so if your K and 1st grade 

teachers

have
provided your children with a solid reading base (including phonics), 

you

can
focus more fully on teaching the comprehension strategies such as 

those

outlined
in Mosaic of Thought.  I hope this helps.

Jeanne Garringer






Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:06:36 +
From: swill...@comcast.net
To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Subject: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher



Hello All,



I'm a second gra

Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher

2009-07-25 Thread beverleepaul
I can't believe HM calls this phonics!  Paul McKee must be spinning in his 
grave!!
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-Original Message-
From: "John Ferrara" 

Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 16:21:27 
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email 
Group
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher


Rosie, you are right, it's not phonics . I have to use HM, too. Those pieces 
of language that we mostly focus on: roots, endings, prefixes, suffixes, 
compound words, etc. in 3rd, 4th , 5th are officially called "structural 
analysis" and aren't technically phonics, but go hand in hand with phonics 
once the students have the basics of phonics down. Structural analysis 
contributes to improving vocabulary and reading fluency in the upper elem. 
grades.

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher


>I am required to use the HM reading series.  At grade level 4 what they 
>call phonics is not what I consider phonics.  For instance ...base words, 
>suffixes, contractions, word roots, and homophones.  In my mind this is not 
>phonics,  I would call this word work.
>
> Rosie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jackson,Jane A 
> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 
> 
> Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Phonic Instruction should be in all grades through grade 6.. and when done
> effectively will impact students reading when continued through grade 8...
> Spelling skills are increased -- word recognition and retention, as well 
> as
> meaning are impacted. Look through the research. You will find that 
> phonics is
> most effective when taught with direct explicit instruction - and then 
> taken
> right into the text. Lesson on the spelling and formation of the mouth and 
> sound
> plus as students are older and you add affixes they directly change the
> meanings. Phonics instruction at upper grades also allows the student to 
> look at
> language origins. But, again -- each time there is instruction in phonics 
> you
> must locate it in the book or passage you are reading and discuss it in 
> context.
> That's where students make the connection between reading is writing -- 
> writing
> is for reading and spelling it appropriately makes it readable!
>
> 
>
> From: mosaic-bounces+jjackso=nwmissouri@literacyworkshop.org on behalf 
> of
> Jeanne Garringer
> Sent: Wed 7/22/2009 7:42 AM
> To: mosaic listserve
> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher
>
>
>
>
>  I have taught for 18 years in either grades K or 1, and I am a real
> proponent of systematic phonics instruction as providing a solid base of
> letter/sound representation in terms of decoding strategies for beginning
> readers.  Please check out the National Reading Panel's findings in the 
> area of
> phonics.  The information is very comprehensive and serves as a good 
> rationale
> in terms of a research base for using phonics instruction in your 
> classroom.
>
> Now in terms of "do all children need phonics?", not all children 
> learn in
> the same fashion, so I would advocate a more "balanced" approach that 
> would
> include whole language instruction as well as the phonics.  Afterall, our 
> goal
> is for every word to eventually become a sight word.  I have found that 
> phonics
> instruction is most helpful for my students that struggle; however, my 
> stronger
> readers use phonics skills to help them decode more difficult words and 
> when
> they are writing to help them spell words.
>
>  The bottom line is "gaining meaning" from text.  Children can decode 
> words
> all day, but if they aren't gaining meaning from what they are reading, 
> then
> technically they are not "reading".  So yes, teach phonics along side 
> other word
> recognition strategies in order to catch all readers.  Make sure that 
> these
> skills are taught and applied in context of real text.  Decodeable phoncis 
> texts
> tend to be boring and have very little plot.  The children don't like them
> either.
>
>  You say that you teach 2nd grade so if your K and 1st grade teachers 
> have
> provided your children with a solid reading base (including phonics), you 
> can
> focus more fully on teaching the comprehension strategies such as those 
> outlined
> in Mosaic of Thought.  I hope this helps.
>
> Jeanne Garringer
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:06:36 +
>> From: swill...@comcast.net
>> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
>> Subject: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a second grade school teacher.  Throughout my time in school the
> great
> phonics controversy has popped up more than once.  I would like your take 
> on the
> topic.  Do all children need to be taught phonics?  Why or why not?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Than

Re: [MOSAIC] Nancy Boyles

2009-07-25 Thread Kelly Andrews-Babcock
Deb,
Our whole building was bought the book by our principal. Teachers have enjoyed 
it very much. Nancy came to our school, that was great too. It is based on the 
CMT (CT mastery test) strand questions, which would help you if you teach in 
CT. As a coach, I think it offers good ideas to scaffold teaching to answer 
specific open-ended questions. What ends up happening though is  that teachers 
then are only teaching to those questions and there is so much more to reading 
than answering open-ended responses. I have seen this happen before and am 
guilty of it myself. One book become the "be all, end all" and we forget about 
all the other important strategies and aspects of teaching reading that are 
necessary for our students to become strong, life-long readers.
Kelly AB


On 7/25/09 11:53 AM, "debhold...@aol.com"  wrote:

Has anyone read and used the book:? That's a Grea Answer by Nancy Boyles?? 
Would you recommend this purchase?? Why or why not?

Thank you.

Deb Holden
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Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher-Framing

2009-07-25 Thread rr1981
Another hmm,  how do children learn to read in countries where there is 
no system based on phonics.  For instance, Japan or China?  Is there a 
corresponding sound to each symbol?  Or is it more just sight 
recognition of each symbol?  Do the symbols mean different things in 
different contexts?


Rosie


-Original Message-
From: Waingort Jimenez, Elisa 
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 


Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2009 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher-Framing










Hmm.  You got me thinking, Nancy.  The thing about the phonics vs. 
whole
language frame is that there is no vs since phonics is one of the 
cueing systems
we use as readers and whole language is a philosophy of teaching and 
learning,
and for some of us it's also the way we live our lives.  On a very 
basic level,
whole language teaching is about looking at the whole (comprehension) 
and then
moving into the parts (the pieces that help us to become better 
comprehenders).
But, if we don't recognize that we are already comprehending when we 
approach a
piece of text due to our background knowledge (schema) and other cues 
that the
text provides us, then we are stuck in the false dichomoty of phonics 
vs whole
language.  For example, my almost-five-year-old son can read the 
McDonalds logo
and20knows that he can get a Happy Meal with a toy and that there is a 
playground
at McDonalds despite the fact that he has never set foot in a 
McDonald's in his
life.  He is comprehending the "McDonalds text" due to TV commercials, 
his
friends experiences, etc.  Whole language teachers understand that 
there is no
contest here because we understand this fundamental difference.  
However, many
teachers have been led to believe that there is a "legitimate war" 
(still) being
waged out there (and that it should continue) and phonics is the way to 
go
because the way children learn to read is to phonicate them to death.  
Of
course, this may be considered the extreme but so is the phonics vs. 
whole
language nondebate, as far as I'm concerned.  If we can begin to 
understand this

a little better then maybe we will all be in a position to fight back.

Just to make my point as redundant as I can make it:  whole language 
teachers

teach phonics but phonics teachers can't teach whole language.
Make sense?
Elisa

Elisa Waingort
Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual
Dalhousie Elementary
Calgary, Canada

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touched.

They must be felt within the heart.
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On another listserv, some of us are talking about
George Lakoff's book. 
In
it he talks about how political dialogue shapes our thoughts by the 
frames

that  surround it. Apparently the mind set of the separation of whole
language and  phonics has framed some thinking by some posters here.  
Whole
language  teachers have been stating and restating the point that whole 
language


includes phonics. Several whole language teachers have posted that  
whole
language includes phonics, and yet people are still repeating that they 
are
exclusive of each other. Since this is a list about comprehension, I  
think
this is a perfect example of how to tackle this kind of problem if it 
was  in

our classroom. What strategies should be used to help increase
understanding?  And as whole language teachers, do any of you have any 
ideas of

how we
can  reframe this long held belief to strengthen understandings about 
whole

language  and let others know it is a strong and current theory of how
children learn to  read?

Nancy


In a message dated 7/23/2009 12:54:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ds...@aol.com writes:

I have  been reading the responses to your question.  I think we need a 


balance of phonics and whole language.  My father taught high  school
English,
he always pushed phonics which I found difficult at  time.  I also  
loved

reading which he gave me.  As student  I wish I was given a balance of
both.
Today we need=2
0to look at the  strengths of our students to see to  
direct

our
teaching.  We  can't use just one way to teach children words and  
reading.


This is what differentiation is all about.

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[MOSAIC] Read Alouds

2009-07-25 Thread Jennifer Ashley Giancarlo
I have taught kindergarten for the past two years and I would have to 
say reading aloud to them while they sit on on the carpet is one of 
their favorite parts of the whole day. Even if you don't teach primary 
its great to pick a chapter book and read it to your class when you 
have some time before lunch, dismissal, or an extra five or ten minutes 
here or there.





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Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher

2009-07-25 Thread John Ferrara
Rosie, you are right, it's not phonics . I have to use HM, too. Those pieces 
of language that we mostly focus on: roots, endings, prefixes, suffixes, 
compound words, etc. in 3rd, 4th , 5th are officially called "structural 
analysis" and aren't technically phonics, but go hand in hand with phonics 
once the students have the basics of phonics down. Structural analysis 
contributes to improving vocabulary and reading fluency in the upper elem. 
grades.


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From: 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher


I am required to use the HM reading series.  At grade level 4 what they 
call phonics is not what I consider phonics.  For instance ...base words, 
suffixes, contractions, word roots, and homophones.  In my mind this is not 
phonics,  I would call this word work.


Rosie


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From: Jackson,Jane A 
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 


Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher










Phonic Instruction should be in all grades through grade 6.. and when done
effectively will impact students reading when continued through grade 8...
Spelling skills are increased -- word recognition and retention, as well 
as
meaning are impacted. Look through the research. You will find that 
phonics is
most effective when taught with direct explicit instruction - and then 
taken
right into the text. Lesson on the spelling and formation of the mouth and 
sound

plus as students are older and you add affixes they directly change the
meanings. Phonics instruction at upper grades also allows the student to 
look at
language origins. But, again -- each time there is instruction in phonics 
you
must locate it in the book or passage you are reading and discuss it in 
context.
That's where students make the connection between reading is writing -- 
writing

is for reading and spelling it appropriately makes it readable!



From: mosaic-bounces+jjackso=nwmissouri@literacyworkshop.org on behalf 
of

Jeanne Garringer
Sent: Wed 7/22/2009 7:42 AM
To: mosaic listserve
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher




 I have taught for 18 years in either grades K or 1, and I am a real
proponent of systematic phonics instruction as providing a solid base of
letter/sound representation in terms of decoding strategies for beginning
readers.  Please check out the National Reading Panel's findings in the 
area of
phonics.  The information is very comprehensive and serves as a good 
rationale
in terms of a research base for using phonics instruction in your 
classroom.


Now in terms of "do all children need phonics?", not all children 
learn in
the same fashion, so I would advocate a more "balanced" approach that 
would
include whole language instruction as well as the phonics.  Afterall, our 
goal
is for every word to eventually become a sight word.  I have found that 
phonics
instruction is most helpful for my students that struggle; however, my 
stronger
readers use phonics skills to help them decode more difficult words and 
when

they are writing to help them spell words.

 The bottom line is "gaining meaning" from text.  Children can decode 
words
all day, but if they aren't gaining meaning from what they are reading, 
then
technically they are not "reading".  So yes, teach phonics along side 
other word
recognition strategies in order to catch all readers.  Make sure that 
these
skills are taught and applied in context of real text.  Decodeable phoncis 
texts

tend to be boring and have very little plot.  The children don't like them
either.

 You say that you teach 2nd grade so if your K and 1st grade teachers 
have
provided your children with a solid reading base (including phonics), you 
can
focus more fully on teaching the comprehension strategies such as those 
outlined

in Mosaic of Thought.  I hope this helps.

Jeanne Garringer






Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:06:36 +
From: swill...@comcast.net
To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Subject: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher



Hello All,



I'm a second grade school teacher.  Throughout my time in school the

great
phonics controversy has popped up more than once.  I would like your take 
on the

topic.  Do all children need to be taught phonics?  Why or why not?





Thank you,

2nd grade School Teacher
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Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher

2009-07-25 Thread rr1981
I am required to use the HM reading series.  At grade level 4 what they 
call phonics is not what I consider phonics.  For instance ...base 
words, suffixes, contractions, word roots, and homophones.  In my mind 
this is not phonics,  I would call this word work.


Rosie


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From: Jackson,Jane A 
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 


Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 11:07 pm
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher










Phonic Instruction should be in all grades through grade 6.. and when 
done
effectively will impact students reading when continued through grade 
8...
Spelling skills are increased -- word recognition and retention, as 
well as
meaning are impacted. Look through the research. You will find that 
phonics is
most effective when taught with direct explicit instruction - and then 
taken
right into the text. Lesson on the spelling and formation of the mouth 
and sound

plus as students are older and you add affixes they directly change the
meanings. Phonics instruction at upper grades also allows the student 
to look at
language origins. But, again -- each time there is instruction in 
phonics you
must locate it in the book or passage you are reading and discuss it in 
context.
That's where students make the connection between reading is writing -- 
writing

is for reading and spelling it appropriately makes it readable!



From: mosaic-bounces+jjackso=nwmissouri@literacyworkshop.org on 
behalf of

Jeanne Garringer
Sent: Wed 7/22/2009 7:42 AM
To: mosaic listserve
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher




 I have taught for 18 years in either grades K or 1, and I am a 
real
proponent of systematic phonics instruction as providing a solid base 
of
letter/sound representation in terms of decoding strategies for 
beginning
readers.  Please check out the National Reading Panel's findings in the 
area of
phonics.  The information is very comprehensive and serves as a good 
rationale
in terms of a research base for using phonics instruction in your 
classroom.


Now in terms of "do all children need phonics?", not all children 
learn in
the same fashion, so I would advocate a more "balanced" approach that 
would
include whole language instruction as well as the phonics.  Afterall, 
our goal
is for every word to eventually become a sight word.  I have found that 
phonics
instruction is most helpful for my students that struggle; however, my 
stronger
readers use phonics skills to help them decode more difficult words and 
when

they are writing to help them spell words.

 The bottom line is "gaining meaning" from text.  Children can 
decode words
all day, but if they aren't gaining meaning from what they are reading, 
then
technically they are not "reading".  So yes, teach phonics along side 
other word
recognition strategies in order to catch all readers.  Make sure that 
these
skills are taught and applied in context of real text.  Decodeable 
phoncis texts
tend to be boring and have very little plot.  The children don't like 
them

either.

 You say that you teach 2nd grade so if your K and 1st grade 
teachers have
provided your children with a solid reading base (including phonics), 
you can
focus more fully on teaching the comprehension strategies such as those 
outlined

in Mosaic of Thought.  I hope this helps.

Jeanne Garringer






Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:06:36 +
From: swill...@comcast.net
To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Subject: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher



Hello All,



I'm a second grade school teacher.  Throughout my time in school the 

great
phonics controversy has popped up more than once.  I would like your 
take on the

topic.  Do all children need to be taught phonics?  Why or why not?





Thank you,

2nd grade School Teacher
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Re: [MOSAIC] phonics question- 2nd grade teacher

2009-07-25 Thread rr1981
I have never really "got" phonics.  When  my students have to sort 
words into categories based on their phonics rules I always have to a 
colleague tell me the answer.  I obviously did not learn to read this 
way...and I have two college degrees.


Rosie


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Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 7:21 pm
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Once again.. 
 

Whole language includes phonics instruction. 

Phonics instruction is part of whole language teaching. 

Whole language teachers teach phonics as part of their language 
program. 

 

OK, I guess that's more than once. 
 

sigh 

Renee 
 


On Jul 22, 2009, at 3:20 PM, Jeanne Crider wrote: 
 

Yes phonics is important, but within a balanced approach.  You > 
can't be only phonics based nor can you only use "whole language".  > 
You have to look at each child as an individual and base your > 
instruction on their needs.  Of course you can't memorize all the > 
words in the English language, that's where meaning comes in to > play. 
Meaning is what reading is all about. 



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Phonics is a necessary component of learning to read.  You can't >> 
memorize all of the words in the English language.  You need >> skills 
to know how to approach a words you don't know.  I did a >> lot of 
subbing in the middle schools during the whole language >> time.  The 
kids who had no phonics stood out and had no clue how >> to approach 
words they hadn't memorized. 



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Re: [MOSAIC] integrating picture books in all content areas

2009-07-25 Thread rr1981
I got a grant for about 10 titles of this author, with 7 books of each 
title.  I plan to use them to introduce math concepts in small groups.


Rosiec


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Megan,
I've just purchased a series of picture books for math called MathStart 
by
Stuart J Murphy, published by Harper Collins.  There are 3 levels:  
Level
1--ages 3 and up,  Level 2--ages 6 and up, and Level 3--ages 7 and up.  
Also
included are suggestions for adults to use with children, activities to 
help

extend the concepts presented, and other books that reinforce the same
concept.  The web site is: _www.mathstartbooks.com_
(http://www.mathstartbooks.com) .
My 6 year old granddaughter loves these books.

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Re: [MOSAIC] Maybe we should begin a whole language umbrella again

2009-07-25 Thread EDWARD JACKSON

For those interested in joining an online TAWL, please visit us at:
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Re: [MOSAIC] Student Teaching Advise

2009-07-25 Thread SooZQ55164
My biggest advice would be to listen and watch with an open mind. When it  
is your turn to start teaching, take a few minutes to jot down some ideas of 
how  you thought your lesson went and if you had it to do all over again, 
what would  you do differently. If you keep a journal, you'll start to notice 
trends or  personal growth (or both).
As for the your critic teacher, I would say that not turning over the reins 
 can happen for a number of reasons. Personality could be one. She might 
not have  thought you were ready. Maybe there was something that need to be 
taught in a  certain way and it was just easier to do that way due to time. I 
think that some  student teachers forget that the responsibility for 
children ultimately lies  with the classroom teacher. Also, I have had a few 
teachers that came to me  thinking they had nothing to learn. They had learned 
it 
all in their coursework  so they just needed to get student teaching over 
with so they could get a job  and do everything their way. I feel sorry for 
those teachers because they missed  out on so many learning opportunities. 
 
Finally, I would just add that it is about depth of understanding and NOT  
breadth of coverage. If your teacher makes a suggestion to you even though 
you  might not agree, try it out and see what happens. You might be surprised!
 
Good luck!
Sue
 
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tifd...@hotmail.com writes:


Hi,  my name is Tiffany Heikkila and I am a student in the special 
education  program at Wayne State University.  I will be graduating in the 
spring of 
 2010! I am going to be student teaching in the fall in a second grade  
classroom.  I want to know if there is anyone who can give me advice on  what 
it takes to be an excellent student teacher.  Also, in my  pre-student 
teaching, I was assigned with a teacher who never let me take  control.  If 
this 
situation is to happen in my student teaching, how  would I conference with 
the teacher about having more control in a way that  would not come over as 
being rude or pushy?



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[MOSAIC] Mickelson Exxon Mobile Teachers Academy

2009-07-25 Thread SooZQ55164
 
I just returned from some of the best professional development I have ever  
received in the areas of math and science. The Mickelson Exxon Mobile 
Teacher  Academy was a whirlwind week of fantastic hands on learning sessions. 
My 
head is  still spinning. Golfer Phil Mickleson, his wife Amy and 
Exxon-Mobile put on a  state of the art academy for teachers in grades 3-5! We 
were 
treated like  royalty! I would encourage anyone who is interested to go to: 
sendmyteacher.com  to find out more!!
 
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Re: [MOSAIC] Maybe we should begin a whole language umbrella again

2009-07-25 Thread EDWARD JACKSON

Literacies for All--which is linked through NCTE, as is the online TAWL group.


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Re: [MOSAIC] Maybe we should begin a whole language umbrella again

2009-07-25 Thread drmarinaccio

 


 No that is perfect:) How do you get on this list?


 

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Maybe I misunderstand what you all are writing about, but there is a list for 
whole langauage.  Right?  It's called Teachers Applying Whole Language.  Or are 
you thinking of something different?
Jan


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Re: [MOSAIC] Maybe we should begin a whole language umbrella again

2009-07-25 Thread drmarinaccio

 Thanks so much Lori. What is the name of the Whole Language Group conference:)?


 


 

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And there is a whole language umbrella conference, but the name was changed to 
help folks retain funding.


Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist
Broken Bow, NE






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> Maybe I misunderstand what you all are writing about, but there is a list for 
whole langauage.  Right?  It's called Teachers Applying Whole Language.  Or are 
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[MOSAIC] Nancy Boyles

2009-07-25 Thread debholden1
Has anyone read and used the book:? That's a Grea Answer by Nancy Boyles?? 
Would you recommend this purchase?? Why or why not?

Thank you.

Deb Holden
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Re: [MOSAIC] Independant Reading

2009-07-25 Thread Hamilton, Whitney
I have my students engage in SSR when I meet with guided reading groups.  It 
works very well because I spend several weeks setting up how to choose books 
and what this time should look and sound like.  

Whitney Hamilton, Third Grade
Kit Carson Elementary
450 Tates Creek Road
Richmond, KY  40475

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Does anyone have any comments about idenpendant reading and their practices
in the classroom with DEAR time of Silent Sustained Reading?
Thanks,
Jaclyn
Second Grade Teacher
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Re: [MOSAIC] Grouping Students

2009-07-25 Thread ck...@mail.usf.edu

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Date: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:02:49 pm
To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" 

From: lindafa...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Grouping Students



I use the end-of-year benchmark information to help me know where to reassess 
each student.  I find that so many kids do not read regularly across the summer 
that these e-o-y scores are often not valid in September.  Once the results are 
compiled, I can then create my guided reading groups.  I use the Fountas and 
Pinnell Benchmark assessment kit. 



Linda 




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Hello Everyone,   

I am preparing for the upcoming school year.  I was wondering, 
in the beginning of the year how do you place students into reading 
groups?   Do you look at the previous years? test scores?  Or do you 
just place them based on  teacher observation?   

Thank you, 
Karen 

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Re: [MOSAIC] Read Alouds (Brooke Harman)

2009-07-25 Thread drmarinaccio

 OR before the child is born:)


 


 

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Subject: [MOSAIC] Read Alouds (Brooke Harman)













The power of reading aloud to children before they ever enter school is imense. 
There have been many studies done on this topic, most that I have researched 
was 
with infants and toddlers and outcomes of these children were far better?off 
then children who had no to little literacy experiences at home. Reading aloud 
should and must start when a child is born. There was much brain research done 
that related to the development of an infant's brain and by the time an infant 
is one they have mastered the sounds of their spoken language, so that is a 
perfect opportunity to be sharing with your child great literature. Also is it 
recommended by researchers that a minimum of three read alouds a day is needed. 
I am also researching this topic! :)? 



? 

Thanks, Brooke
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