Re: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together
Thanks Jennifer. Here the union is strong enough that many have balked at any attempts to direct teacher pro d (schools have committees of teachers that determine the direction for the next year). Yes principals develop pro d. type stuff in staff meetings (the good ones do). [Also we are in the middle of a long job action with our very Draconian provincial government, which has been sanctioned by the UN for its rejection of normal bargaining procedures -- this doesn't help!] I think part of the difference for us is that our elementary schools in particular are -- I think ?? -- smaller than many in the US. The school I went to (as a kid in Oregon) had two full classes at each grade level (and yes classes were bigger then). Our elementary schools, K-7, are typically about 200 to 250 or so. A "department" would consist of just three or four primary teachers for example. When principals *do* focus on more important improvement topics, it generally relates to the 'school goals' (from internal assessments every five years or so) rather than on info from outside (good pro d. or workshops or whatever). [Please correct me, anyone, if US schools are different than I think? Also, our districts are often quite big as to both area and numbers, where I think the US has (often) many small districts?] I think the CIFP format does lay out pretty well something that could fit with quite varied skill and experience levels; it looks good and I'll be saving it in case I can helpfully pass it along to anyone. ;-) Thanks, Linda Rightmire SD #73 Kamloops, BC On 6/17/12, Palmer, Jennifer wrote: > Linda, CFIP is not mandated by the state per se but strongly encouraged. It > IS mandated by my district but each principal seems to have a slightly > different take on it. > > It's usually a process employed by grade level teams or at secondary, > departments. > > I like the protocol because I've seen it work. The nice thing about a > detailed protocol is that if everyone agrees on the protocol, personality > and politics are removed from many discussions. And, dont think of this > occurring all in one meeting. A cycle might last two or three meetings over > a period of time... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:47 PM, "Linda Rightmire" > wrote: > >> Hi Jennifer, >> >> I found that format pretty interesting! Initially I wondered if it was >> more >> work/detail/etc. than necessary but I see you recommend it highly. Could >> you make a few remarks re that? We have 'school based team' meetings >> which >> would typically include outside the building personnel (speech >> pathologist, >> others) and I'm interested to think this format would help get people >> onto >> the same page. I guess what I often see is that you have teachers at >> various skill/expertise levels; then you also have district personnel >> that >> sometimes have long standing biases (pro phonics or direct instruction is >> typical) -- and people sometimes work at cross purposes or literally have >> difficulty understanding each other. >> >> Can you describe a typical setting and just say a bit more about its use? >> History also -- this is state-wide, and mandated? Just curious and if you >> have time. >> >> Linda Rightmire >> SD #73 Kamloops, BC >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Palmer, Jennifer >> >> wrote: >> >>> I would highly recommend Maryland's CFIP model for team data analysis... >>> You can find more at .http://mdk12.org/process/cfip/index.html >>> >>> Jennifer L. Palmer EdD >>> Instructional Facilitator >>> >>> National Board Certified Teacher >>> >>> >>> >>> Magnolia Elementary (home school) >>> >>> 901 Trimble Road >>> >>> Joppa, MD 21085 >>> >>> 410-612-1553 >>> >>> Fax 410-612-1576 >>> >>> "In every child a touch of greatness!!' >>> >>> Proud of our Title One School >>> >>> >>> >>> Norrisville Elementary >>> >>> 5302 Norrisville Road >>> >>> White Hall, MD 21161 >>> >>> 410-692-7810 >>> >>> Fax 410-692-7812 >>> >>> Where Bright Futures Begin!! >>> >>> >>> From: >>> mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org[mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer= >>> hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Licette Morales [ >>> licet...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1
Re: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together
Linda, CFIP is not mandated by the state per se but strongly encouraged. It IS mandated by my district but each principal seems to have a slightly different take on it. It's usually a process employed by grade level teams or at secondary, departments. I like the protocol because I've seen it work. The nice thing about a detailed protocol is that if everyone agrees on the protocol, personality and politics are removed from many discussions. And, dont think of this occurring all in one meeting. A cycle might last two or three meetings over a period of time... Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:47 PM, "Linda Rightmire" wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > I found that format pretty interesting! Initially I wondered if it was more > work/detail/etc. than necessary but I see you recommend it highly. Could > you make a few remarks re that? We have 'school based team' meetings which > would typically include outside the building personnel (speech pathologist, > others) and I'm interested to think this format would help get people onto > the same page. I guess what I often see is that you have teachers at > various skill/expertise levels; then you also have district personnel that > sometimes have long standing biases (pro phonics or direct instruction is > typical) -- and people sometimes work at cross purposes or literally have > difficulty understanding each other. > > Can you describe a typical setting and just say a bit more about its use? > History also -- this is state-wide, and mandated? Just curious and if you > have time. > > Linda Rightmire > SD #73 Kamloops, BC > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Palmer, Jennifer > wrote: > >> I would highly recommend Maryland's CFIP model for team data analysis... >> You can find more at .http://mdk12.org/process/cfip/index.html >> >> Jennifer L. Palmer EdD >> Instructional Facilitator >> >> National Board Certified Teacher >> >> >> >> Magnolia Elementary (home school) >> >> 901 Trimble Road >> >> Joppa, MD 21085 >> >> 410-612-1553 >> >> Fax 410-612-1576 >> >> "In every child a touch of greatness!!' >> >> Proud of our Title One School >> >> >> >> Norrisville Elementary >> >> 5302 Norrisville Road >> >> White Hall, MD 21161 >> >> 410-692-7810 >> >> Fax 410-692-7812 >> >> Where Bright Futures Begin!! >> >> ________ >> From: >> mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org[mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer= >> hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Licette Morales [ >> licet...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:41 PM >> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group >> Subject: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I had a quick question about how teachers on this list look at students >> work/ assessments. >> >> Do you do it collaboratively? Is so do you use a specific protocol? >> >> Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. >> >> Thank you >> Liz >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> >> > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together
Teachers lead it. I help when I am needed! Unions have no problem with it because individual teams now drive it... As long as time is provided for teachers with in contractual obligations. Most schools use faculty meeting time for teams to meet. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:14 PM, "Linda Rightmire" wrote: > Oops -- perhaps I have misunderstood (we live rurally and I'm trying to > load the video, haltingly, our slow version of high speed). > > I thought this referred to consulting re instruction for a student with > special needs -- now I see it looks like a generalized classroom > improvement? I find it amazing if you have a mandated format for teacher > supervisors and teachers to discuss the improvement of each classroom > teacher's actual teaching. Here, the union has blocked even a much more > generalized 'teacher as researcher' approach (which many find wonderful but > many will say, "I do my own pro. d., thanks"). > > So there is a person *not* the principal in each school who is helping > people seek improvement in this way? > > Thanks for additional info, > Linda > > > On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Linda Rightmire > wrote: > >> Hi Jennifer, >> >> I found that format pretty interesting! Initially I wondered if it was >> more work/detail/etc. than necessary but I see you recommend it highly. >> Could you make a few remarks re that? We have 'school based team' meetings >> which would typically include outside the building personnel (speech >> pathologist, others) and I'm interested to think this format would help get >> people onto the same page. I guess what I often see is that you have >> teachers at various skill/expertise levels; then you also have district >> personnel that sometimes have long standing biases (pro phonics or direct >> instruction is typical) -- and people sometimes work at cross purposes or >> literally have difficulty understanding each other. >> >> Can you describe a typical setting and just say a bit more about its use? >> History also -- this is state-wide, and mandated? Just curious and if you >> have time. >> >> Linda Rightmire >> SD #73 Kamloops, BC >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Palmer, Jennifer < >> jennifer.pal...@hcps.org> wrote: >> >>> I would highly recommend Maryland's CFIP model for team data analysis... >>> You can find more at .http://mdk12.org/process/cfip/index.html >>> >>> Jennifer L. Palmer EdD >>> Instructional Facilitator >>> >>> National Board Certified Teacher >>> >>> >>> >>> Magnolia Elementary (home school) >>> >>> 901 Trimble Road >>> >>> Joppa, MD 21085 >>> >>> 410-612-1553 >>> >>> Fax 410-612-1576 >>> >>> "In every child a touch of greatness!!' >>> >>> Proud of our Title One School >>> >>> >>> >>> Norrisville Elementary >>> >>> 5302 Norrisville Road >>> >>> White Hall, MD 21161 >>> >>> 410-692-7810 >>> >>> Fax 410-692-7812 >>> >>> Where Bright Futures Begin!! >>> >>> >>> From: >>> mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org[mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer= >>> hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Licette Morales [ >>> licet...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:41 PM >>> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group >>> Subject: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I had a quick question about how teachers on this list look at students >>> work/ assessments. >>> >>> Do you do it collaboratively? Is so do you use a specific protocol? >>> >>> Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Liz >>> ___ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >>> ___ >>> Mosaic mailing list >>> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >>> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >>> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >>> >>> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >>> >>> >> > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together
Oops -- perhaps I have misunderstood (we live rurally and I'm trying to load the video, haltingly, our slow version of high speed). I thought this referred to consulting re instruction for a student with special needs -- now I see it looks like a generalized classroom improvement? I find it amazing if you have a mandated format for teacher supervisors and teachers to discuss the improvement of each classroom teacher's actual teaching. Here, the union has blocked even a much more generalized 'teacher as researcher' approach (which many find wonderful but many will say, "I do my own pro. d., thanks"). So there is a person *not* the principal in each school who is helping people seek improvement in this way? Thanks for additional info, Linda On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Linda Rightmire wrote: > Hi Jennifer, > > I found that format pretty interesting! Initially I wondered if it was > more work/detail/etc. than necessary but I see you recommend it highly. > Could you make a few remarks re that? We have 'school based team' meetings > which would typically include outside the building personnel (speech > pathologist, others) and I'm interested to think this format would help get > people onto the same page. I guess what I often see is that you have > teachers at various skill/expertise levels; then you also have district > personnel that sometimes have long standing biases (pro phonics or direct > instruction is typical) -- and people sometimes work at cross purposes or > literally have difficulty understanding each other. > > Can you describe a typical setting and just say a bit more about its use? > History also -- this is state-wide, and mandated? Just curious and if you > have time. > > Linda Rightmire > SD #73 Kamloops, BC > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Palmer, Jennifer < > jennifer.pal...@hcps.org> wrote: > >> I would highly recommend Maryland's CFIP model for team data analysis... >> You can find more at .http://mdk12.org/process/cfip/index.html >> >> Jennifer L. Palmer EdD >> Instructional Facilitator >> >> National Board Certified Teacher >> >> >> >> Magnolia Elementary (home school) >> >> 901 Trimble Road >> >> Joppa, MD 21085 >> >> 410-612-1553 >> >> Fax 410-612-1576 >> >> "In every child a touch of greatness!!' >> >> Proud of our Title One School >> >> >> >> Norrisville Elementary >> >> 5302 Norrisville Road >> >> White Hall, MD 21161 >> >> 410-692-7810 >> >> Fax 410-692-7812 >> >> Where Bright Futures Begin!! >> >> ____ >> From: >> mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org[mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer= >> hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Licette Morales [ >> licet...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:41 PM >> To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group >> Subject: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I had a quick question about how teachers on this list look at students >> work/ assessments. >> >> Do you do it collaboratively? Is so do you use a specific protocol? >> >> Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. >> >> Thank you >> Liz >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive >> >> > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together
Hi Jennifer, I found that format pretty interesting! Initially I wondered if it was more work/detail/etc. than necessary but I see you recommend it highly. Could you make a few remarks re that? We have 'school based team' meetings which would typically include outside the building personnel (speech pathologist, others) and I'm interested to think this format would help get people onto the same page. I guess what I often see is that you have teachers at various skill/expertise levels; then you also have district personnel that sometimes have long standing biases (pro phonics or direct instruction is typical) -- and people sometimes work at cross purposes or literally have difficulty understanding each other. Can you describe a typical setting and just say a bit more about its use? History also -- this is state-wide, and mandated? Just curious and if you have time. Linda Rightmire SD #73 Kamloops, BC On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Palmer, Jennifer wrote: > I would highly recommend Maryland's CFIP model for team data analysis... > You can find more at .http://mdk12.org/process/cfip/index.html > > Jennifer L. Palmer EdD > Instructional Facilitator > > National Board Certified Teacher > > > > Magnolia Elementary (home school) > > 901 Trimble Road > > Joppa, MD 21085 > > 410-612-1553 > > Fax 410-612-1576 > > "In every child a touch of greatness!!' > > Proud of our Title One School > > > > Norrisville Elementary > > 5302 Norrisville Road > > White Hall, MD 21161 > > 410-692-7810 > > Fax 410-692-7812 > > Where Bright Futures Begin!! > > > From: > mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org[mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer= > hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Licette Morales [ > licet...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:41 PM > To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group > Subject: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together > > Hello everyone, > > I had a quick question about how teachers on this list look at students > work/ assessments. > > Do you do it collaboratively? Is so do you use a specific protocol? > > Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. > > Thank you > Liz > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
Re: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together
I would highly recommend Maryland's CFIP model for team data analysis... You can find more at .http://mdk12.org/process/cfip/index.html Jennifer L. Palmer EdD Instructional Facilitator National Board Certified Teacher Magnolia Elementary (home school) 901 Trimble Road Joppa, MD 21085 410-612-1553 Fax 410-612-1576 "In every child a touch of greatness!!' Proud of our Title One School Norrisville Elementary 5302 Norrisville Road White Hall, MD 21161 410-692-7810 Fax 410-692-7812 Where Bright Futures Begin!! From: mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org [mosaic-bounces+jennifer.palmer=hcps@literacyworkshop.org] on behalf of Licette Morales [licet...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 1:41 PM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: [MOSAIC] Checking student work together Hello everyone, I had a quick question about how teachers on this list look at students work/ assessments. Do you do it collaboratively? Is so do you use a specific protocol? Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. Thank you Liz ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
[MOSAIC] Checking student work together
Hello everyone, I had a quick question about how teachers on this list look at students work/ assessments. Do you do it collaboratively? Is so do you use a specific protocol? Any comments and suggestions would be very helpful. Thank you Liz ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
