Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Hi Lisa, Our K-2 does DIBELS and Reading a-z for comprehension. I work in the 3-5 building. We use a-z and will next year use DIBELS on those that perform poorly on that assessment. It is not an ideal assessment, but we still feel it was the best choice. DRA doesn't have a non-fiction component which is all we're using from a-z. Also the DRA takes much longer to use and is more expensive. The QRI doesn't give definitive levels - just are the students above, on or below grade level. What we're looking towards next year is to make less distinction between who is special ed. and who is remedial reading. Oftentimes there are sped students in the classes in which I work which are performing on a higher level than the RR students. I think it just depends on who they've had for teachers and whether their parents advocate for them. (I'm not talking about the low-end spec. ed students. Rather than reading specialists and special ed staff being dedicated to a particular grade we're looking to finding a schedule that would let them get pulled out for ADDITIONAL reading instruction. Currently, sped students are pulled out and RR students have us reading specialists pushing it. Much of our time is spent driving the classroom instruction and not being able to attend to our students on our caseload. So, going forward if we could find slots during the day in which, for example 5th grade students would receive services, we'd all work to provide them with phonics, fluency and/or comprehension small group instruction that would be in addition to their in class reading instruction. It would most likely involve shifting staff schedules to either come in early and leave early or the opposite in an attempt to provide much of the 5th grade support before and after school. We'd specialize in areas of reading rather than a grade level as we currently do. Has anyone tried this model? Has it been successful and what do we need to do Not sure if this is of any help. I ended up asking my own questions. Norma Baker, Reading specialist Grafton Elementary School Grafton, MA “Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.” -- Original Message -- From: Lisa McGilloway To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 (PST) Hi to all- I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use starting in grades 3 and up? Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. Lisa Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=GlRVPOecsxJMqrJdTfg4zgAAJz1RZyvLSDbNg1QwuFrBBUaOAAYAAADNAAAYQAA= ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
It is basically the exact same thing. - Original Message - From: "Lisa McGilloway" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:34 AM Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Hi to all- I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use starting in grades 3 and up? Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. Lisa Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Norma- Thanks so much for your detailed response. It gave me some information and some more questions myself. I am not familiar with Reading A-Z. We currently administer DRA's to all students at the beginning of the year. The kits that we use do have nonfiction as well as fiction to choose from. I don't feel it's a perfect assessment, but it is easy to administer and provides a look at all students' fluency, comprehension, use of reading strategies, and writing skills. Our SpEd and BSI (Basic Skills Instructors) administer other assessments on an as needed basis in response to students in their case loads. I found the way you classify your students interesting - in our district, Resource Room students are a branch of SpEd. We also use mostly a push-in model though we do have some pull out for Math. Our BSI teachers teach what would probably be considered your 'remedial' students who are identified based on their below proficiency scores on our state assessment (NJ). They are not considered part of SpEd. We are short staffed and find that our teachers are doing it all much as you described. They currently work with grade levels rather than specific areas. Although I am a certified Reading Specialist, I work primarily as a classroom teacher although I am generally given the Resource Room and below level students. We wish we could provide time to pull out students in those small targeted groups as you described but there seems to be not enough staff and not enough time. The before and after school model sounds interesting but would likely cost money which, again, we don't have. Are you talking about staff flexing their days so that they would come in earlier or stay later to provide these targeted groups? That sounds interesting. Teachers feel that DIBELS won't meet the needs of the students as we move our RTI out of our primary buildings and into our intermediate (3-6). This was where the suggestion of using AIMS web came from. Some want to continue the DRA in K-2 then shift to AIMS web in grades 3 and up. I am currently trying to do some research about this idea. Thanks again...Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, hutch1...@juno.com wrote: From: hutch1...@juno.com Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:05 PM Hi Lisa, Our K-2 does DIBELS and Reading a-z for comprehension. I work in the 3-5 building. We use a-z and will next year use DIBELS on those that perform poorly on that assessment. It is not an ideal assessment, but we still feel it was the best choice. DRA doesn't have a non-fiction component which is all we're using from a-z. Also the DRA takes much longer to use and is more expensive. The QRI doesn't give definitive levels - just are the students above, on or below grade level. What we're looking towards next year is to make less distinction between who is special ed. and who is remedial reading. Oftentimes there are sped students in the classes in which I work which are performing on a higher level than the RR students. I think it just depends on who they've had for teachers and whether their parents advocate for them. (I'm not talking about the low-end spec. ed students. Rather than reading specialists and special ed staff being dedicated to a particular grade we're looking to finding a schedule that would let them get pulled out for ADDITIONAL reading instruction. Currently, sped students are pulled out and RR students have us reading specialists pushing it. Much of our time is spent driving the classroom instruction and not being able to attend to our students on our caseload. So, going forward if we could find slots during the day in which, for example 5th grade students would receive services, we'd all work to provide them with phonics, fluency and/or comprehension small group instruction that would be in addition to their in class reading instruction. It would most likely involve shifting staff schedules to either come in early and leave early or the opposite in an attempt to provide much of the 5th grade support before and after school. We'd specialize in areas of reading rather than a grade level as we currently do. Has anyone tried this model? Has it been successful and what do we need to do Not sure if this is of any help. I ended up asking my own questions. Norma Baker, Reading specialist Grafton Elementary School Grafton, MA “Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.” -- Original Message -- From: Lisa McGilloway To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 (PST) Hi to all- I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for q
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
The maze test is suppose to be the comprehension part. It is a cloze activity that has the students choose the correct words from a choice of 3. I don't like the comprehension part because I would like it to be higher level thinking versus simply a cloze activity. But, at least the Maze test is better than nothing for a comprehension test like the DIBELS program. As for the math, there are two tests that I know of - one is a math computation and the other is a problem solving test. We don't use EDM so I'm not sure they correlate. The reports are easy to generate once all the scores have been loaded into the program. Loading the scores in is also very easy. Jenni ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not doing well with other measures. Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 > From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > Hi to all- > I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have found > many of your comments and suggestions helpful. > I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently > looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and up. > We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early population but > are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the higher grades. Does > anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was suggested that we look into > it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use starting in grades 3 and up? > Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. > Lisa > Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Math Concepts and Applications (brand new to AIMSweb) has MAJOR concept-at-appropriate-level problems for any series. Contrary to NCTM. Would not use. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Lisa McGilloway Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:29:14 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Keep us informed! Have you read richard allington's book on struggling readers! Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "hutch1...@juno.com" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:05:31 To: Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Hi Lisa, Our K-2 does DIBELS and Reading a-z for comprehension. I work in the 3-5 building. We use a-z and will next year use DIBELS on those that perform poorly on that assessment. It is not an ideal assessment, but we still feel it was the best choice. DRA doesn't have a non-fiction component which is all we're using from a-z. Also the DRA takes much longer to use and is more expensive. The QRI doesn't give definitive levels - just are the students above, on or below grade level. What we're looking towards next year is to make less distinction between who is special ed. and who is remedial reading. Oftentimes there are sped students in the classes in which I work which are performing on a higher level than the RR students. I think it just depends on who they've had for teachers and whether their parents advocate for them. (I'm not talking about the low-end spec. ed students. Rather than reading specialists and special ed staff being dedicated to a particular grade we're looking to finding a schedule that would let them get pulled out for ADDITIONAL reading instruction. Currently, sped students are pulled out and RR students have us reading specialists pushing it. Much of our time is spent driving the classroom instruction and not being able to attend to our students on our caseload. So, going forward if we could find slots during the day in which, for example 5th grade students would receive services, we'd all work to provide them with phonics, fluency and/or comprehension small group instruction that would be in addition to their in class reading instruction. It would most likely involve shifting staff schedules to either come in early and leave early or the opposite in an attempt to provide much of the 5th grade support before and after school. We'd specialize in areas of reading rather than a grade level as we currently do. Has anyone tried this model? Has it been successful and what do we need to do Not sure if this is of any help. I ended up asking my own questions. Norma Baker, Reading specialist Grafton Elementary School Grafton, MA “Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.” -- Original Message -- From: Lisa McGilloway To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 (PST) Hi to all- I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use starting in grades 3 and up? Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. Lisa Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/c?cp=GlRVPOecsxJMqrJdTfg4zgAAJz1RZyvLSDbNg1QwuFrBBUaOAAYAAADNAAAYQAA= ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Everything is easy: entering scores, choosing and printing graphs,etc. What is hard is keeping people from generalizing info obtained about a child in a very short amount of time into data about a child which they trust more than their own data. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Lisa McGilloway Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 12:29:14 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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Basically the maze test may test comprehension, but it is only comprehension at the sentence level, not paragraph or passage. For us, it is also an unfortunate measure of a child's home language register. A lot is gained or lost with the "sound right" test. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "Yingling" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 15:22:51 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? The maze test is suppose to be the comprehension part. It is a cloze activity that has the students choose the correct words from a choice of 3. I don't like the comprehension part because I would like it to be higher level thinking versus simply a cloze activity. But, at least the Maze test is better than nothing for a comprehension test like the DIBELS program. As for the math, there are two tests that I know of - one is a math computation and the other is a problem solving test. We don't use EDM so I'm not sure they correlate. The reports are easy to generate once all the scores have been loaded into the program. Loading the scores in is also very easy. Jenni ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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And vice versa, I'm sure. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: EDWARD JACKSON Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 22:31:42 To: Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not doing well with other measures. Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 > From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > Hi to all- > I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have found > many of your comments and suggestions helpful. > I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently > looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and up. > We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early population but > are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the higher grades. Does > anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was suggested that we look into > it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use starting in grades 3 and up? > Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. > Lisa > Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Read Goodman's book about DIBELS and substitute the word AIMSweb. You'd be right on about AIMSweb info. Maze is a cloze test that is multiple choice. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Lisa McGilloway Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:32:37 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Norma- Thanks so much for your detailed response. It gave me some information and some more questions myself. I am not familiar with Reading A-Z. We currently administer DRA's to all students at the beginning of the year. The kits that we use do have nonfiction as well as fiction to choose from. I don't feel it's a perfect assessment, but it is easy to administer and provides a look at all students' fluency, comprehension, use of reading strategies, and writing skills. Our SpEd and BSI (Basic Skills Instructors) administer other assessments on an as needed basis in response to students in their case loads. I found the way you classify your students interesting - in our district, Resource Room students are a branch of SpEd. We also use mostly a push-in model though we do have some pull out for Math. Our BSI teachers teach what would probably be considered your 'remedial' students who are identified based on their below proficiency scores on our state assessment (NJ). They are not considered part of SpEd. We are short staffed and find that our teachers are doing it all much as you described. They currently work with grade levels rather than specific areas. Although I am a certified Reading Specialist, I work primarily as a classroom teacher although I am generally given the Resource Room and below level students. We wish we could provide time to pull out students in those small targeted groups as you described but there seems to be not enough staff and not enough time. The before and after school model sounds interesting but would likely cost money which, again, we don't have. Are you talking about staff flexing their days so that they would come in earlier or stay later to provide these targeted groups? That sounds interesting. Teachers feel that DIBELS won't meet the needs of the students as we move our RTI out of our primary buildings and into our intermediate (3-6). This was where the suggestion of using AIMS web came from. Some want to continue the DRA in K-2 then shift to AIMS web in grades 3 and up. I am currently trying to do some research about this idea. Thanks again...Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, hutch1...@juno.com wrote: From: hutch1...@juno.com Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:05 PM Hi Lisa, Our K-2 does DIBELS and Reading a-z for comprehension. I work in the 3-5 building. We use a-z and will next year use DIBELS on those that perform poorly on that assessment. It is not an ideal assessment, but we still feel it was the best choice. DRA doesn't have a non-fiction component which is all we're using from a-z. Also the DRA takes much longer to use and is more expensive. The QRI doesn't give definitive levels - just are the students above, on or below grade level. What we're looking towards next year is to make less distinction between who is special ed. and who is remedial reading. Oftentimes there are sped students in the classes in which I work which are performing on a higher level than the RR students. I think it just depends on who they've had for teachers and whether their parents advocate for them. (I'm not talking about the low-end spec. ed students. Rather than reading specialists and special ed staff being dedicated to a particular grade we're looking to finding a schedule that would let them get pulled out for ADDITIONAL reading instruction. Currently, sped students are pulled out and RR students have us reading specialists pushing it. Much of our time is spent driving the classroom instruction and not being able to attend to our students on our caseload. So, going forward if we could find slots during the day in which, for example 5th grade students would receive services, we'd all work to provide them with phonics, fluency and/or comprehension small group instruction that would be in addition to their in class reading instruction. It would most likely involve shifting staff schedules to either come in early and leave early or the opposite in an attempt to provide much of the 5th grade support before and after school. We'd specialize in areas of reading rather than a grade level as we currently do. Has anyone tried this model? Has it been successful and what do we need to do Not sure if this is of any help. I ended up asking my own questions. Norma Baker, Reading specialist Grafton Elementary Scho
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Boy all the comments I'm reading are exactly what I've noticed about using the AIMS Web in my school. How is it gaining such popularity? It doesn't seem like many people really like it. I know it is quick and makes jazzy, colorful graphs. . .but so what! Maybe it will start losing momentum soon. (I sure hope so.) Jeanne - Original Message - From: "EDWARD JACKSON" To: Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not doing well with other measures. Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Hi to all- I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use starting in grades 3 and up? Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. Lisa Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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Yeah Lisa, I did mean flex staffing. Which someone else mentioned Richard Allington's book on Struggling Readers. That's where I got the idea. We have 3 reading specialists in my building. One other and myself come in early 3 days a week (and leave early). We're doing fluency work with 3rd graders trying to alleviate some of the need before we get them. She does 5th and I do 4th currently. Obviously this is with only some of those who need help and is dependent on them getting rides. We did it for the 1st half of the year. 5 out of 11 moved out and now see the other reading specialist once a week and we're now seeing the rest of them and 5 new kids moved into the open slots. We just felt that if we could assist some that were good candidates for fluency intervention (which doesn't solve the problem for everyone) that hopefully our caseloads would eventually go down. A recent PD day in which the reading spec. from K-2, 3-5 and 6th grade met, we found out that 2nd grade were teaching things that kids are expected to learn in 3rd and 4th and other things are being left out. Hopefully going forward this will improve and we'll see less gaps. Based on Allington's book I've been trying to advocate since I got to this district a couple of years ago that all sped teachers, reading spec. and the music dept staff do flex hours. 1/2 come in early and leave early and the other 1/2 the opposite. Band is an hour for 5th graders once a week. It ends up being down time for the rest of the 5th graders. Then there's chorus and instrument lessons.. I in no way think this should go away, but rather think it could be done primarily before and after school. Some of my remedial reading students leave during reading for their instrument lesson. Duh! They're not only not getting extra instruction, they're not even getting the regular amt. If we could offer 30 min of intense phonics, or fluency or comprehension before and after school to all of those who are able to get there.. It just makes more sense. Then it would be additional reading instruction rather than supplanting which is what it's supposed to be. norma “Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.” -- Original Message -- From: Lisa McGilloway To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 13:32:37 -0800 (PST) Norma-     Thanks so much for your detailed response. It gave me some information and some more questions myself.     I am not familiar with Reading A-Z. We currently administer DRA's to all students at the beginning of the year. The kits that we use do have nonfiction as well as fiction to choose from. I don't feel it's a perfect assessment, but it is easy to administer and provides a look at all students' fluency, comprehension, use of reading strategies, and writing skills. Our SpEd and BSI (Basic Skills Instructors) administer other assessments on an as needed basis in response to students in their case loads.      I found the way you classify your students interesting - in our district, Resource Room students are a branch of SpEd. We also use mostly a push-in model though we do have some pull out for Math. Our BSI teachers teach what would probably be considered your 'remedial' students who are identified based on their below proficiency scores on our state assessment (NJ). They are not considered part of SpEd.      We are short staffed and find that our teachers are doing it all much as you described. They currently work with grade levels rather than specific areas. Although I am a certified Reading Specialist, I work primarily as a classroom teacher although I am generally given the Resource Room and below level students. We wish we could provide time to pull out students in those small targeted groups as you described but there seems to be not enough staff and not enough time. The before and after school model sounds interesting but would likely cost money which, again, we don't have. Are you talking about staff flexing their days so that they would come in earlier or stay later to provide these targeted groups? That sounds interesting.      Teachers feel that DIBELS won't meet the needs of the students as we move our RTI out of our primary buildings and into our intermediate (3-6). This was where the suggestion of using AIMS web came from. Some want to continue the DRA in K-2 then shift to AIMS web in grades 3 and up. I am currently trying to do some research about this idea.      Thanks again...Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, hutch1...@juno.com wrote: From: hutch1...@juno.com Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: mosaic@l
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I'm not a classroom teacher, I'm a reading specialist. We use Everyday Math and I know the 1st grade teachers I work with don't like the math portion of the AIMS Web. Generating reports is very easy but as others mentioned earlier, we already have information about who needs help and who is doing okay. It's just 3 days per year I don't get to teach because I'm testing. Between benchmarking 3 times per year and all the progress monitoring the teachers have to do, there is less time for them to teach too. The poor students are yet again tested. The poor things, in my opinion are already over tested. After giving the AIMS Web, in my school anyway, we then pick interventions that are "researched based" one size fits all programs. They may be implemented by a teacher, a 5th grader, a HS student, a computer program or just about anyone or anything they can get their hands on. Isn't that grand! Another thing that someone else mentioned, I'm noticing too. It seems like the students who we see as doing well in the classroom don't necessarily do well on the test and vice versa. Students who self-correct while reading or think about meaning don't do as well because the timed reading portion is all based on speed. Isn't that what we want students to do when they are reading, read really fast and not think about what they are reading? (JK!) Argh! - Original Message - From: "Lisa McGilloway" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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Not as long as there is RTI and progress monitoring Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "Jeanne Crider" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:41:38 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Boy all the comments I'm reading are exactly what I've noticed about using the AIMS Web in my school. How is it gaining such popularity? It doesn't seem like many people really like it. I know it is quick and makes jazzy, colorful graphs. . .but so what! Maybe it will start losing momentum soon. (I sure hope so.) Jeanne - Original Message - From: "EDWARD JACKSON" To: Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's > school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not > doing well with other measures. > > > Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist > Broken Bow, NE > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > Join me > >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 >> From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com >> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? >> >> Hi to all- >> I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have >> found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. >> I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently >> looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and >> up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early >> population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the >> higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was >> suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use >> starting in grades 3 and up? >> Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. >> Lisa >> Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee >> >> >> >> ___ >> Mosaic mailing list >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. >> >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. >> > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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What do you mean by this statement about the MCAP test on Aimsweb? Thanks, Jenni Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Math Concepts and Applications (brand new to AIMSweb) has MAJOR concept-at-appropriate-level problems for any series. Contrary to NCTM. Would not use. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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We use a universal screener in my school called "STEEP". Is this similar to AIMS web? From the descriptions you are giving, it must be! We give reading fluency, reading comprehension, math fluency, and math focal points three times a year. We also get beautiful graphs. Cathy -Original Message- From: beverleep...@gmail.com To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 12:02 am Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? All the portions are timed. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "Jeanne Crider" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:39:16 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? I'm not a classroom teacher, I'm a reading specialist. We use Everyday Math and I know the 1st grade teachers I work with don't like the math portion of the AIMS Web. Generating reports is very easy but as others mentioned earlier, we already have information about who needs help and who is doing okay. It's just 3 days per year I don't get to teach because I'm testing. Between benchmarking 3 times per year and all the progress monitoring the teachers have to do, there is less time for them to teach too. The poor students are yet again tested. The poor things, in my opinion are already over tested. After giving the AIMS Web, in my school anyway, we then pick interventions that are "researched based" one size fits all programs. They may be implemented by a teacher, a 5th grader, a HS student, a computer program or just about anyone or anything they can get their hands on. Isn't that grand! Another thing that someone else mentioned, I'm noticing too. It seems like the students who we see as doing well in the classroom don't necessarily do well on the test and vice versa. Students who self-correct while reading or think about meaning don't do as well because the timed reading portion is all based on speed. Isn't that what we want students to do when they are reading, read really fast and not think about what they are reading? (JK!) Argh! - Original Message - From: "Lisa McGilloway" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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Hi, here is some information, I hope it will help. As for DIBELS and AIMSWEB, the creators of these screeners were once on the same team..so they are similar in some respect. There is no perfect screener.if we remember to assess with a triangulation of assessments this will help us address our student's need early and effective. I'm sorry, I don't know who to give credit for this quote but I could not have said it better, the teacher knows their student best, "What is hard is keeping people from generalizing info obtained about a child in a very short amount of time into data about a child which they trust more than their own data. " I also would suggest the following books. Here's a good book review on What Really Matters for Struggling Readers, chapter by chapter. http://www.readingonline.org/articles/reviews/whatmatters/index.html Also, What Really Matters in Response To Intervention is also very informative. Reviewed by Pearson, http://www.mypearsonstore.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=0205627544 http://www.pattan.net/files/RTI/Sec-RtII-Tier2&3.pdf This document provides a sampling of interventions which may be used for Tier II and/or Tier III instruction, ( 2-12th grade) depending upon the grouping and duration. This list is not an endorsement of any product or program, neither is it exhaustive. Rather, it is intended to provide initial guidance to schools and school teams in the identification and selection of intervention resources to meet the learning needs of students they serve. More extensive information on interventions can be obtained from the following websites: • Florida Center for Reading Research: http://www.fcrr.org/FCRRReports/CReportsCS.aspx?rep=supp • BestEvidenceEncyclopedia: http://www.bestevidence.org/ • WhatWorks Clearinghouse: http://ies.ed.gov/ncee/wwc/ Hillary Marchel Reading Specialist march...@hawthorn73.org-elementary North "El fin de toda educacion debe ser seguramente el servicio a otros." ~ Cesar Chavez "The end of all education should surely be service to others." On Feb 7, 2010, at 4:28 PM, beverleep...@gmail.com wrote: Keep us informed! Have you read richard allington's book on struggling readers! Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "hutch1...@juno.com" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:05:31 To: Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Hi Lisa, Our K-2 does DIBELS and Reading a-z for comprehension. I work in the 3-5 building. We use a-z and will next year use DIBELS on those that perform poorly on that assessment. It is not an ideal assessment, but we still feel it was the best choice. DRA doesn't have a non-fiction component which is all we're using from a-z. Also the DRA takes much longer to use and is more expensive. The QRI doesn't give definitive levels - just are the students above, on or below grade level. What we're looking towards next year is to make less distinction between who is special ed. and who is remedial reading. Oftentimes there are sped students in the classes in which I work which are performing on a higher level than the RR students. I think it just depends on who they've had for teachers and whether their parents advocate for them. (I'm not talking about the low-end spec. ed students. Rather than reading specialists and special ed staff being dedicated to a particular grade we're looking to finding a schedule that would let them get pulled out for ADDITIONAL reading instruction. Currently, sped students are pulled out and RR students have us reading specialists pushing it. Much of our time is spent driving the classroom instruction and not being able to attend to our students on our caseload. So, going forward if we could find slots during the day in which, for example 5th grade students would receive services, we'd all work to provide them with phonics, fluency and/or comprehension small group instruction that would be in addition to their in class reading instruction. It would most likely involve shifting staff schedules to either come in early and leave early or the opposite in an attempt to provide much of the 5th grade support before and after school. We'd specialize in areas of reading rather than a grade level as we currently do. Has anyone tried this model? Has it been successful and what do we need to do Not sure if this is of any help. I ended up asking my own questions. Norma Baker, Reading specialist Grafton Elementary School Grafton, MA “Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.” -- Original Message -- From: Lisa McGilloway To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" > Subject
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All the portions are timed. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "Jeanne Crider" Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:39:16 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? I'm not a classroom teacher, I'm a reading specialist. We use Everyday Math and I know the 1st grade teachers I work with don't like the math portion of the AIMS Web. Generating reports is very easy but as others mentioned earlier, we already have information about who needs help and who is doing okay. It's just 3 days per year I don't get to teach because I'm testing. Between benchmarking 3 times per year and all the progress monitoring the teachers have to do, there is less time for them to teach too. The poor students are yet again tested. The poor things, in my opinion are already over tested. After giving the AIMS Web, in my school anyway, we then pick interventions that are "researched based" one size fits all programs. They may be implemented by a teacher, a 5th grader, a HS student, a computer program or just about anyone or anything they can get their hands on. Isn't that grand! Another thing that someone else mentioned, I'm noticing too. It seems like the students who we see as doing well in the classroom don't necessarily do well on the test and vice versa. Students who self-correct while reading or think about meaning don't do as well because the timed reading portion is all based on speed. Isn't that what we want students to do when they are reading, read really fast and not think about what they are reading? (JK!) Argh! - Original Message - From: "Lisa McGilloway" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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When districts are pressured to report, report, report, I think they turn to such measures in frustration. They are easy and quick and spew pretty data. We need to coin some sort of phrase that is the statistical equivalent of don't judge a book by its cover. Didn't Einstein already have something to say about measurement? Ah, yes: “Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.” Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: jeann...@charter.net > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:41:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > Boy all the comments I'm reading are exactly what I've noticed about using > the AIMS Web in my school. How is it gaining such popularity? It doesn't > seem like many people really like it. I know it is quick and makes jazzy, > colorful graphs. . .but so what! Maybe it will start losing momentum soon. > (I sure hope so.) > Jeanne > - Original Message - > From: "EDWARD JACKSON" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > > > > > No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's > > school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not > > doing well with other measures. > > > > > > Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist > > Broken Bow, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > > Join me > > > >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 > >> From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com > >> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > >> > >> Hi to all- > >> I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have > >> found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. > >> I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently > >> looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and > >> up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early > >> population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the > >> higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was > >> suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use > >> starting in grades 3 and up? > >> Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. > >> Lisa > >> Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Mosaic mailing list > >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >> > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >> > > > > ___ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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How do I get myself removed from this mailing list? Kyle Fritze - Original Message - From: "EDWARD JACKSON" To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 6:16:26 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? When districts are pressured to report, report, report, I think they turn to such measures in frustration. They are easy and quick and spew pretty data. We need to coin some sort of phrase that is the statistical equivalent of don't judge a book by its cover. Didn't Einstein already have something to say about measurement? Ah, yes: “Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.” Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: jeann...@charter.net > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:41:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > Boy all the comments I'm reading are exactly what I've noticed about using > the AIMS Web in my school. How is it gaining such popularity? It doesn't > seem like many people really like it. I know it is quick and makes jazzy, > colorful graphs. . .but so what! Maybe it will start losing momentum soon. > (I sure hope so.) > Jeanne > - Original Message - > From: "EDWARD JACKSON" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > > > > > No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's > > school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not > > doing well with other measures. > > > > > > Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist > > Broken Bow, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > > Join me > > > >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 > >> From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com > >> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > >> > >> Hi to all- > >> I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have > >> found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. > >> I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently > >> looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and > >> up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early > >> population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the > >> higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was > >> suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use > >> starting in grades 3 and up? > >> Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. > >> Lisa > >> Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Mosaic mailing list > >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >> > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >> > > > > ___ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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DITTO I can't stand all these emails. Bernadette Reed Indian Peaks Elementary School -Original Message- From: mosaic-bounces+reed_bernadette=stvrain.k12.co...@literacyworkshop.org [mailto:mosaic-bounces+reed_bernadette=stvrain.k12.co...@literacyworksho p.org] On Behalf Of Kyle%20Fritze-%20klfritze%40comcast.net Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 1:10 PM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? How do I get myself removed from this mailing list? Kyle Fritze - Original Message - From: "EDWARD JACKSON" To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 6:16:26 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? When districts are pressured to report, report, report, I think they turn to such measures in frustration. They are easy and quick and spew pretty data. We need to coin some sort of phrase that is the statistical equivalent of don't judge a book by its cover. Didn't Einstein already have something to say about measurement? Ah, yes: "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: jeann...@charter.net > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:41:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > Boy all the comments I'm reading are exactly what I've noticed about using > the AIMS Web in my school. How is it gaining such popularity? It doesn't > seem like many people really like it. I know it is quick and makes jazzy, > colorful graphs. . .but so what! Maybe it will start losing momentum soon. > (I sure hope so.) > Jeanne > - Original Message - > From: "EDWARD JACKSON" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > > > > > No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's > > school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not > > doing well with other measures. > > > > > > Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist > > Broken Bow, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > > Join me > > > >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 > >> From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com > >> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > >> > >> Hi to all- > >> I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have > >> found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. > >> I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently > >> looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and > >> up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early > >> population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the > >> higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was > >> suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use > >> starting in grades 3 and up? > >> Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. > >> Lisa > >> Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Mosaic mailing list > >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >> > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >> > > > > ___ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http:/
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I agree with Einstein and Lori Jackson. What are we doing with this dastardly data? Let's count what's important. Laurie Tandy From California - The Testing State When districts are pressured to report, report, report, I think they turn to such measures in frustration. They are easy and quick and spew pretty data. We need to coin some sort of phrase that is the statistical equivalent of don't judge a book by its cover. Didn't Einstein already have something to say about measurement? Ah, yes: “Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.” Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist Broken Bow, NE EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > From: jeann...@charter.net > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:41:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > Boy all the comments I'm reading are exactly what I've noticed about using > the AIMS Web in my school. How is it gaining such popularity? It doesn't > seem like many people really like it. I know it is quick and makes jazzy, > colorful graphs. . .but so what! Maybe it will start losing momentum soon. > (I sure hope so.) > Jeanne > - Original Message - > From: "EDWARD JACKSON" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > > > > > No first hand experience but word of mouth has not been good. My husband's > > school is dissatisfied because kids that do well with this measure are not > > doing well with other measures. > > > > > > Lori Jackson M.Ed.Reading Specialist > > Broken Bow, NE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD > > Join me > > > >> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 07:34:36 -0800 > >> From: lisamcgill...@yahoo.com > >> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> Subject: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > >> > >> Hi to all- > >> I have been a 'voyeur' on the site for quite a while now and have > >> found many of your comments and suggestions helpful. > >> I am a member of our district's RTI committee and we are currently > >> looking at ways to 'roll out' our RTI from grades K-2 into grades 3 and > >> up. We use DIBELS as one of our screening measures with this early > >> population but are thinking it won't meet our needs as we move into the > >> higher grades. Does anyone have any information on AIMS Web? It was > >> suggested that we look into it as an alternative to DIBELS or to use > >> starting in grades 3 and up? > >> Thanks so much for your help and suggestions. > >> Lisa > >> Grade 6 Teacher/RTI Committee > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Mosaic mailing list > >> Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > >> To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > >> http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > >> > >> Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > >> > > > > ___ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > > > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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We use it at the middle school level. I find it's not especially useful for this age group/reading development. I feel where most of our kids struggle is with critical thinking - something that the maze and fluency piece don't measure. I feel that some of our kids who are identified at first, "learn" how to do these probes but not necessarily how to "read" better. Does this make sense? Does anyone else use it at the middle school level? Or do you use something else? ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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Absolutely it makes sense! Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: reading Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:20:36 To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? We use it at the middle school level. I find it's not especially useful for this age group/reading development. I feel where most of our kids struggle is with critical thinking - something that the maze and fluency piece don't measure. I feel that some of our kids who are identified at first, "learn" how to do these probes but not necessarily how to "read" better. Does this make sense? Does anyone else use it at the middle school level? Or do you use something else? ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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This is our first year using AIMSWeb at the middle school. It is helping us to identify students who may need an interventionbut we use additional data to make those decisions. We have made errors with student placements into interventions, but it is a starting point. All students get the MAZE three times per year. Students who score in the bottom 25% get a CBM. Then we look at their CBMs and other data to decide further action. The jury is still out as far as whether or not it has been useful. I feel that perhaps we could be doing the same thing by more closely analyzing the data we already have. Our students are tested to death...MAPS 3 times per year, ISAT, and AIMSweb 3 times per year. TOO MUCH! Barb On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:20:36 -0600 reading wrote: We use it at the middle school level. I find it's not especially useful for this age group/reading development. I feel where most of our kids struggle is with critical thinking - something that the maze and fluency piece don't measure. I feel that some of our kids who are identified at first, "learn" how to do these probes but not necessarily how to "read" better. Does this make sense? Does anyone else use it at the middle school level? Or do you use something else? ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. Barb Underdown Literacy Staff Developer Mannheim Middle School Melrose Park, IL 60164 847-455-5020 ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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Thanks for those answers, Jeanne. I too agree that we are spending way too much time testing students when we could be teaching them. Thanks to our state and federal governments for that. When will they ask teachers how to handle these things? Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Jeanne Crider wrote: From: Jeanne Crider Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 9:39 PM I'm not a classroom teacher, I'm a reading specialist. We use Everyday Math and I know the 1st grade teachers I work with don't like the math portion of the AIMS Web. Generating reports is very easy but as others mentioned earlier, we already have information about who needs help and who is doing okay. It's just 3 days per year I don't get to teach because I'm testing. Between benchmarking 3 times per year and all the progress monitoring the teachers have to do, there is less time for them to teach too. The poor students are yet again tested. The poor things, in my opinion are already over tested. After giving the AIMS Web, in my school anyway, we then pick interventions that are "researched based" one size fits all programs. They may be implemented by a teacher, a 5th grader, a HS student, a computer program or just about anyone or anything they can get their hands on. Isn't that grand! Another thing that someone else mentioned, I'm noticing too. It seems like the students who we see as doing well in the classroom don't necessarily do well on the test and vice versa. Students who self-correct while reading or think about meaning don't do as well because the timed reading portion is all based on speed. Isn't that what we want students to do when they are reading, read really fast and not think about what they are reading? (JK!) Argh! - Original Message - From: "Lisa McGilloway" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Thanks so much for the response about AIMS web. If you have a minute I have a few other questions: Do you find it easy to use and generate reports? What do you think of the comprehension piece (not sure what a comprehension 'maze' is?)? What about the Math portion? We use Everyday Math and I am curious as to how it may correlate with that. Thanks so much for any information you can share! Lisa --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Yingling wrote: From: Yingling Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:35 PM We've been using AIMSWeb for 3 years now for at least K-5 (I think maybe higher also). The fluency CBMs are just like DIBELS. Aimsweb also has a comprehension maze test and a couple of math tests. It gives a lot of reports as to how a student is doing based on class, school, etc... It's an okay start as to identifying students for RTI services. I don't think you should use it solely to place students into RTI intervention groups. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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BRAVO! We do these assessments for NCLB and the district. As educated teachers we know it is so much more. I would love to know what Tim Rasinski had replied...I just love the fact that he responded to you..shows passion and commitment. You should sell your assessment package..shows your PASSION and commitment for excellence. Job well done. Hillary Marchel Reading Specialist march...@hawthorn73.org-elementary North "El fin de toda educacion debe ser seguramente el servicio a otros." ~ Cesar Chavez "The end of all education should surely be service to others." On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:20 AM, tk...@aol.com wrote: I love reading this discussion of Aimsweb! I was so frustrated when our district used this program last year. It goes against EVERY single thing I know about reading instruction and reading assessment. Remember: "What gets measured, gets done!" I knew I did not want teaching for fast reading to get "done" in our district. I even emailed Tim Rasinski last year and got a great response about how he felt these 1 minute assessments were a travesty! We (reading specialists) decided to write our own progress monitoring assessments that actually assess real reading: ALL aspects of fluency, accuraccy, comprehension (literal and inferential). We bought rigby texts and have created over 150 tests from levels 3-34. I don't think we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started (over 800 pages of assessments!), and I'm not sure we would do it again. Now that it is done though, we are happy we did! We feel we actually get useful information this year. Yes, it does take longer to administer (although we don't do them every week), but as the IRA says, we shouldn't sacrifice quality for efficiency. I say that anyone who is really unhappy with what they are using should keep speaking up and searching for something that makes sense! Tricia Burke Reading Specialist ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org . Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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I love reading this discussion of Aimsweb! I was so frustrated when our district used this program last year. It goes against EVERY single thing I know about reading instruction and reading assessment. Remember: "What gets measured, gets done!" I knew I did not want teaching for fast reading to get "done" in our district. I even emailed Tim Rasinski last year and got a great response about how he felt these 1 minute assessments were a travesty! We (reading specialists) decided to write our own progress monitoring assessments that actually assess real reading: ALL aspects of fluency, accuraccy, comprehension (literal and inferential). We bought rigby texts and have created over 150 tests from levels 3-34. I don't think we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started (over 800 pages of assessments!), and I'm not sure we would do it again. Now that it is done though, we are happy we did! We feel we actually get useful information this year. Yes, it does take longer to administer (although we don't do them every week), but as the IRA says, we shouldn't sacrifice quality for efficiency. I say that anyone who is really unhappy with what they are using should keep speaking up and searching for something that makes sense! Tricia Burke Reading Specialist ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
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You are fortunate that you had administrators that were willing to allow you to do this. I was forced out of my la content specialist position because the new superintendent brought in a curriculum coordinator. He claimed she knew a lot about literacy. (I was given the choice of teaching 6th grade or retiring. Since this would have been my last year, I retired.) I now learn that teachers are being forced to use the basal with fidelity. They are not allowed to use any of the lessons from the comprehension toolkit, no writing lessons outside of the very poor basal instruction. They have no time for reading workshop, literature circles or writing workshop! All practices that were embraced by most teachers. Understandably, the teachers are upset. I don't know how many are closing their doors and doing what they know best, either. I'd like to think that the assessments will prove how wrong this instruction is, but in 2 of the 4 schools, the students come to school with such great backgrounds that they will probably progress. Unfortunately, the better teachers know that those children would have done better with a combination of basal instruction and reading workshop. How sad! Carol - Original Message - From: tk...@aol.com To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:20:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? I love reading this discussion of Aimsweb! I was so frustrated when our district used this program last year. It goes against EVERY single thing I know about reading instruction and reading assessment. Remember: "What gets measured, gets done!" I knew I did not want teaching for fast reading to get "done" in our district. I even emailed Tim Rasinski last year and got a great response about how he felt these 1 minute assessments were a travesty! We (reading specialists) decided to write our own progress monitoring assessments that actually assess real reading: ALL aspects of fluency, accuraccy, comprehension (literal and inferential). We bought rigby texts and have created over 150 tests from levels 3-34. I don't think we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started (over 800 pages of assessments!), and I'm not sure we would do it again. Now that it is done though, we are happy we did! We feel we actually get useful information this year. Yes, it does take longer to administer (although we don't do them every week), but as the IRA says, we shouldn't sacrifice quality for efficiency. I say that anyone who is really unhappy with what they are using should keep speaking up and searching for something that makes sense! Tricia Burke Reading Specialist ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
I agree with you, but we had pretty extensive support for them. It was really some teachers, both effective and not so effective, who were allowed to do whatever they wanted, regardless of expectations that really did us in. I had worked for 7 years to get a uniform balanced literacy program, and we were pretty close. That's sad too. Carol - Original Message - From: "Sarah Storkson" To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 10:12:20 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? Some teachers are not able to make decisions about what is effective though. That is where they are better off being forced to use the basal than to go off on their own and do things that are showing no progress in their students. Sad, but true! On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:58 AM, hccarl...@comcast.net wrote: > You are fortunate that you had administrators that were willing to allow you > to do this. I was forced out of my la content specialist position because the > new superintendent brought in a curriculum coordinator. He claimed she knew a > lot about literacy. (I was given the choice of teaching 6th grade or > retiring. Since this would have been my last year, I retired.) > I now learn that teachers are being forced to use the basal with fidelity. > They are not allowed to use any of the lessons from the comprehension > toolkit, no writing lessons outside of the very poor basal instruction. They > have no time for reading workshop, literature circles or writing workshop! > All practices that were embraced by most teachers. Understandably, the > teachers are upset. I don't know how many are closing their doors and doing > what they know best, either. > I'd like to think that the assessments will prove how wrong this instruction > is, but in 2 of the 4 schools, the students come to school with such great > backgrounds that they will probably progress. Unfortunately, the better > teachers know that those children would have done better with a combination > of basal instruction and reading workshop. > How sad! > Carol > - Original Message - > From: tk...@aol.com > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:20:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > I love reading this discussion of Aimsweb! I was so frustrated when > our district used this program last year. It goes against EVERY single > thing I know about reading instruction and reading assessment. > Remember: "What gets measured, gets done!" I knew I did not want > teaching for fast reading to get "done" in our district. I even > emailed Tim Rasinski last year and got a great response about how he > felt these 1 minute assessments were a travesty! > > We (reading specialists) decided to write our own progress monitoring > assessments that actually assess real reading: ALL aspects of fluency, > accuraccy, comprehension (literal and inferential). We bought rigby > texts and have created over 150 tests from levels 3-34. I don't think > we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started (over 800 > pages of assessments!), and I'm not sure we would do it again. Now > that it is done though, we are happy we did! We feel we actually get > useful information this year. Yes, it does take longer to administer > (although we don't do them every week), but as the IRA says, we > shouldn't sacrifice quality for efficiency. > > I say that anyone who is really unhappy with what they are using should > keep speaking up and searching for something that makes sense! > > Tricia Burke > Reading Specialist > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > -- > SECURITY REMINDER: > DO NOT give your e-mail login and password to anyone. EduTech will NEVER ask > you to provide this information. If this message is asking for personal > information, it did not come from EduTech. - Vaccine2 > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mo
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Some teachers are not able to make decisions about what is effective though. That is where they are better off being forced to use the basal than to go off on their own and do things that are showing no progress in their students. Sad, but true! On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:58 AM, hccarl...@comcast.net wrote: > You are fortunate that you had administrators that were willing to allow you > to do this. I was forced out of my la content specialist position because the > new superintendent brought in a curriculum coordinator. He claimed she knew a > lot about literacy. (I was given the choice of teaching 6th grade or > retiring. Since this would have been my last year, I retired.) > I now learn that teachers are being forced to use the basal with fidelity. > They are not allowed to use any of the lessons from the comprehension > toolkit, no writing lessons outside of the very poor basal instruction. They > have no time for reading workshop, literature circles or writing workshop! > All practices that were embraced by most teachers. Understandably, the > teachers are upset. I don't know how many are closing their doors and doing > what they know best, either. > I'd like to think that the assessments will prove how wrong this instruction > is, but in 2 of the 4 schools, the students come to school with such great > backgrounds that they will probably progress. Unfortunately, the better > teachers know that those children would have done better with a combination > of basal instruction and reading workshop. > How sad! > Carol > - Original Message - > From: tk...@aol.com > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:20:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > I love reading this discussion of Aimsweb! I was so frustrated when > our district used this program last year. It goes against EVERY single > thing I know about reading instruction and reading assessment. > Remember: "What gets measured, gets done!" I knew I did not want > teaching for fast reading to get "done" in our district. I even > emailed Tim Rasinski last year and got a great response about how he > felt these 1 minute assessments were a travesty! > > We (reading specialists) decided to write our own progress monitoring > assessments that actually assess real reading: ALL aspects of fluency, > accuraccy, comprehension (literal and inferential). We bought rigby > texts and have created over 150 tests from levels 3-34. I don't think > we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started (over 800 > pages of assessments!), and I'm not sure we would do it again. Now > that it is done though, we are happy we did! We feel we actually get > useful information this year. Yes, it does take longer to administer > (although we don't do them every week), but as the IRA says, we > shouldn't sacrifice quality for efficiency. > > I say that anyone who is really unhappy with what they are using should > keep speaking up and searching for something that makes sense! > > Tricia Burke > Reading Specialist > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > > -- > SECURITY REMINDER: > DO NOT give your e-mail login and password to anyone. EduTech will NEVER ask > you to provide this information. If this message is asking for personal > information, it did not come from EduTech. - Vaccine2 > ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web?
Thanks to all who weighed in on this. I wish we had the time and support to create our own meaningful assessments. I think everyone is paranoid about having data, data, data and research-based assessments and interventions. I would love to do a study where we take two classes that are similar in make-up and have one teacher use a basal, scripted lessons, and constant testing and have the other teacher use a workshop approach to reading and writing which stresses authentic experiences and strategies. My hunch is that the workshop approach would work. But too many administrators are afraid, in this era of high stakes testing, to trust in that. Hopefully some of us will continue fighting the good fight for what we know is best for children. Thanks again...Lisa --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Sarah Storkson wrote: From: Sarah Storkson Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? To: "Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group" Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 11:12 AM Some teachers are not able to make decisions about what is effective though. That is where they are better off being forced to use the basal than to go off on their own and do things that are showing no progress in their students. Sad, but true! On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:58 AM, hccarl...@comcast.net wrote: > You are fortunate that you had administrators that were willing to allow you > to do this. I was forced out of my la content specialist position because the > new superintendent brought in a curriculum coordinator. He claimed she knew a > lot about literacy. (I was given the choice of teaching 6th grade or > retiring. Since this would have been my last year, I retired.) > I now learn that teachers are being forced to use the basal with fidelity. > They are not allowed to use any of the lessons from the comprehension > toolkit, no writing lessons outside of the very poor basal instruction. They > have no time for reading workshop, literature circles or writing workshop! > All practices that were embraced by most teachers. Understandably, the > teachers are upset. I don't know how many are closing their doors and doing > what they know best, either. > I'd like to think that the assessments will prove how wrong this instruction > is, but in 2 of the 4 schools, the students come to school with such great > backgrounds that they will probably progress. Unfortunately, the better > teachers know that those children would have done better with a combination > of basal instruction and reading workshop. > How sad! > Carol > - Original Message - > From: tk...@aol.com > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:20:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] RTI - Any info on AIMS Web? > > I love reading this discussion of Aimsweb! I was so frustrated when > our district used this program last year. It goes against EVERY single > thing I know about reading instruction and reading assessment. > Remember: "What gets measured, gets done!" I knew I did not want > teaching for fast reading to get "done" in our district. I even > emailed Tim Rasinski last year and got a great response about how he > felt these 1 minute assessments were a travesty! > > We (reading specialists) decided to write our own progress monitoring > assessments that actually assess real reading: ALL aspects of fluency, > accuraccy, comprehension (literal and inferential). We bought rigby > texts and have created over 150 tests from levels 3-34. I don't think > we knew what we were getting ourselves into when we started (over 800 > pages of assessments!), and I'm not sure we would do it again. Now > that it is done though, we are happy we did! We feel we actually get > useful information this year. Yes, it does take longer to administer > (although we don't do them every week), but as the IRA says, we > shouldn't sacrifice quality for efficiency. > > I say that anyone who is really unhappy with what they are using should > keep speaking up and searching for something that makes sense! > > Tricia Burke > Reading Specialist > > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. > > ___ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. > > Search the MOSAIC archiv
