Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I forgot to say that INTEL graphics are ok too. 2013/9/18 Julio Jiménez > Hi all! > > After several years, it seems that the problem still persists. My > observations: > > ATI AMD proprietary fglrx graphics driver: all is fine. > NVIDIA propietary graphics driver: all is fine > Radeon xorg driver: using EXA is fine if you disable EXAPixmaps. If you > do not use EXA is ok too.(Of course you suffer a performance degrading) > NOUVEAU: The only computer I have tested, with a GeForce 8400 GS.. a total > headache. (using skins with bitmaps, fades...) > > In computers with this problem, you can run MSEIDE with -ns option and all > is mostly fine but if you click in a fileselection component (like MSE > config dialog) you still see artifacts even with no skin option (-ns) do > these components use fades/skins...? > > I wonder why other toolkits like Gtk2, Cairo, Qt don't show this problem. > Perhaps they use their own implementation for stretched bitmaps.. dunno. > > I would like to know how other MSE users deal with this issue. > > > Thank you! > > -- > Julio Jiménez Borreguero > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
There are lots of reports about EXA issues. I can fill a bug report, but probably you are more indicated to do it. You know how MSE interact with xrender in deep ;) About NOUVEAU xorg driver... I'm unable to make it working properly. Not using skins is a temporal solution, but still getting issues. You can try it enabling EXAPixmaps in radeon (IIRC you have ATI card). run MSEide with -ns option, open Configure MSEide dialog... do click in filenameedit widgets.. you'll see graphics corruption of just a gray rectangle filling the widget... That's why asked if these widgets use skins or fades... 2013/9/18 Martin Schreiber > On Wednesday 18 September 2013 18:16:58 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > > > I wonder why other toolkits like Gtk2, Cairo, Qt don't show this problem. > > Perhaps they use their own implementation for stretched bitmaps.. dunno. > > > Because the X11 driver devels test there work with the mainstream toolkits. > > > I would like to know how other MSE users deal with this issue. > > > Somebody should make bug reports at freedesktop.org. > I tried to find workarounds for Radeon in MSEgui, no success. > > Martin > > > -- > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, > SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack > includes > Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
NOUVEAU == Youd be a lucky LUNUXer if have these working : 1) any ATI HD+ drivers (me've even stopped downloading & trying these) 2) NOUVEAU powered NVidia. It's definitely a driver's issue. -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Wednesday 18 September 2013 18:16:58 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > I wonder why other toolkits like Gtk2, Cairo, Qt don't show this problem. > Perhaps they use their own implementation for stretched bitmaps.. dunno. > Because the X11 driver devels test there work with the mainstream toolkits. > I would like to know how other MSE users deal with this issue. > Somebody should make bug reports at freedesktop.org. I tried to find workarounds for Radeon in MSEgui, no success. Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/18 Ivanko B > NOUVEAU > == > Youd be a lucky LUNUXer if have these working : > 1) any ATI HD+ drivers (me've even stopped downloading & trying these) > ATI open source drivers (radeon) working fine: - Use radeon.modeset=0 (this makes radeon using another hw acceleration than EXA) - Add Option EXAPixmaps off to your xorg.conf, xorg.conf.d config file First option is the best for old ATI cards (IMHExperience...) Second choice is working in all my ATI HD* Cards > 2) NOUVEAU powered NVidia. > No way to disable EXA.. change modeset makes use of VESA driver and max resolution is 1024x768.. of course MSE runs fine with VESA > > It's definitely a driver's issue. > > I think is the combination of drivers and KMS enabled. If you disable KMS all is fine too (but some drivers are unable to work without KMS) -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/18 Martin Schreiber > > Somebody should make bug reports at freedesktop.org. > I tried to find workarounds for Radeon in MSEgui, no success. > > Done (from your bug report at OpenSuse list...) ;) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69543 -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I think is the combination of drivers and KMS enabled. == KMS=framebuffer VGA, correct ? Then there're possible problems with MTRR sharing & their modes (write-through, write-combining,..). -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
but some drivers are unable to work without KMS = These may only be framebuffer-based ones ( "fbdev.drv" accomp by "UseFBDev=true"). -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/18 Ivanko B > I think is the combination of drivers and KMS enabled. > == > KMS=framebuffer VGA, correct ? Then there're possible problems with > http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/KernelModeSetting/ > MTRR sharing & their modes (write-through, write-combining,..). Probably.. and lots of more things... Who knows ;) -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I was thinking in nouveau driver :) 2013/9/18 Ivanko B > but some drivers are unable to work without KMS > = > These may only be framebuffer-based ones ( "fbdev.drv" accomp by > "UseFBDev=true"). > > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/18 Martin Schreiber > > I tried to find workarounds for Radeon in MSEgui, no success. > What about not using xrender stretched bitmaps and make all required the images in fpc? but probably too much work and poor performance -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On 2013-09-18 19:44, Julio Jiménez wrote: > No way to disable EXA.. change modeset makes use of VESA driver and max > resolution is 1024x768.. of course MSE runs fine with VESA > Not sure if I understood you statement correctly. I run the X11 VESA driver here, under FreeBSD 9.1 and my resolution is 2560x1440 Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Wednesday 18 September 2013 21:42:12 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2013/9/18 Martin Schreiber > > > I tried to find workarounds for Radeon in MSEgui, no success. > > What about not using xrender stretched bitmaps and make all required the > images in fpc? but probably too much work and poor performance Client side pixel rendering is a nogo for me because then every pixel must go over the wire. Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
By default (with no xorg.conf) logs said was unable to set other screen resolutions. Probably I had to set the modeline in xorg.conf to enable other resolutions. I didn't investigate it.. was only trying to set nouveau driver working with MSEide. Regards. 2013/9/19 Graeme Geldenhuys > On 2013-09-18 19:44, Julio Jiménez wrote: > > No way to disable EXA.. change modeset makes use of VESA driver and max > > resolution is 1024x768.. of course MSE runs fine with VESA > > > > Not sure if I understood you statement correctly. I run the X11 VESA > driver here, under FreeBSD 9.1 and my resolution is 2560x1440 > > > Regards, > - Graeme - > > -- > fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal > http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ > > > > -- > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, > SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack > includes > Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I have observed that if you switch from one working area to another, when you return all is rendered fine, It looks something related to refresh/invalidate. I haven't tested if invalidating the widget may help... Regards 2013/9/19 Martin Schreiber > On Wednesday 18 September 2013 21:42:12 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > 2013/9/18 Martin Schreiber > > > > > I tried to find workarounds for Radeon in MSEgui, no success. > > > > What about not using xrender stretched bitmaps and make all required the > > images in fpc? but probably too much work and poor performance > > Client side pixel rendering is a nogo for me because then every pixel must > go > over the wire. > > Martin > > > -- > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, > SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack > includes > Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Thursday 19 September 2013 09:48:36 Julio Jiménez wrote: > I have observed that if you switch from one working area to another, when > you return all is rendered fine, It looks something related to > refresh/invalidate. I haven't tested if invalidating the widget may help... > I think something goes wrong with clipping mask plane. IIRC widget refreshing does not help. What happens if you build with -dmse_flushgdi? It then doesn't use an intermediate pixmap for flicker free drawing. Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/19 Martin Schreiber > > I think something goes wrong with clipping mask plane. IIRC widget > refreshing > does not help. What happens if you build with -dmse_flushgdi? It then > doesn't > use an intermediate pixmap for flicker free drawing. > > Compiling with -dmse_flushgdi is working fine, no artifacts nor half screen updates... but rendering is slower... -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Thursday 19 September 2013 10:43:24 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2013/9/19 Martin Schreiber > > > I think something goes wrong with clipping mask plane. IIRC widget > > refreshing > > does not help. What happens if you build with -dmse_flushgdi? It then > > doesn't > > use an intermediate pixmap for flicker free drawing. > > Compiling with -dmse_flushgdi is working fine, no artifacts nor half screen > updates... but rendering is slower... And flickering. Maybe moving of the intermediate pixmap to screen or painting to pixmap is not reliable. Another candidate is xrendersetpicturecliprectangles(). Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Wednesday 18 September 2013 20:37:24 Julio Jiménez wrote: > There are lots of reports about EXA issues. I can fill a bug report, but > probably you are more indicated to do it. You know how MSE interact with > xrender in deep ;) > > About NOUVEAU xorg driver... I'm unable to make it working properly. > > Not using skins is a temporal solution, but still getting issues. You can > try it enabling EXAPixmaps in radeon (IIRC you have ATI card). run MSEide > with -ns option, open Configure MSEide dialog... do click in filenameedit > widgets.. you'll see graphics corruption of just a gray rectangle filling > the widget... That's why asked if these widgets use skins or fades... > I saw artefacts without fades too. For example in objectinspector there can be not painted white or garbage areas. With fades the problems are more visible it seeems. Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/19 Martin Schreiber > > I saw artefacts without fades too. For example in objectinspector there > can be > not painted white or garbage areas. With fades the problems are more > visible > it seeems. > > Yes, that's why I asked if you were using fades in tfilenameedit components... (mse config dialog).. with -ns it shows garbage (see the pics attached to the bug report) I wonder if it's really a bug or it's related to xrender usage... but if it works with propietary drivers.. and with open source intel drivers too so may be a issue related to ati and radeon open source drivers. -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Thursday 19 September 2013 11:49:15 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2013/9/19 Martin Schreiber > > > I saw artefacts without fades too. For example in objectinspector there > > can be > > not painted white or garbage areas. With fades the problems are more > > visible > > it seeems. > > Yes, that's why I asked if you were using fades in tfilenameedit > components... (mse config dialog).. with -ns it shows garbage (see the pics > attached to the bug report) > There are no fades in file dialog. There is a fade in component edit button of objectinspector. I removed it for a test, the artefacts still exist. So it seems current radeon problem(s) don't depend on xrender image stretching. > I wonder if it's really a bug or it's related to xrender usage... but if it > works with propietary drivers.. and with open source intel drivers too so > may be a issue related to ati and radeon open source drivers. I don't know. Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/19 Martin Schreiber > > > > > may be a issue related to ati and radeon open source drivers. > I meant nouveau*(nvidia) and radeon :) -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I got it working fine using nouveau driver too.. just had to disable thee hw acceleration. I added to xorg.conf Section "Device" Identifier "Nouveau" Driver "nouveau" Option "NoAccel" "on" EndSection Like for EXAPixmaps "off" there is a performance penalization, but this is better than nothing and the affected computers are used for work only :D So it seems the issue is related to graphics acceleration, not only EXA. Now only left to wait for a FreeDesktop developer ;) Cheers -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Hallo Graeme, Du schriebst am Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:32:20 +0100: > > No way to disable EXA.. change modeset makes use of VESA driver and max > > resolution is 1024x768.. of course MSE runs fine with VESA > > Not sure if I understood you statement correctly. I run the X11 VESA > driver here, under FreeBSD 9.1 and my resolution is 2560x1440 ^^^ This might be the reason, there _are_ differences between the systems. If Julio runs Linux, which he probabely does, it is quite possible that the VESA driver doesn't support all the built-in firmware functionality, as it is mainly provided as a fallback if nothing else is available. It may be that FreeBSD relies much more on the higher level support of graphics cards (such as the VESA functions), while Linux tries to get closer to the "real" hardware, in hope to achieve some more performance. Trade off here is that Linux takes longer and is somewhat more restricted in what it supports. -- -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On 2013-09-19 21:43, Sieghard wrote: > This might be the reason, there _are_ differences between the systems. > If Julio runs Linux, which he probabely does, it is quite possible that the > VESA driver doesn't support all the built-in firmware functionality, as it > is mainly provided as a fallback if nothing else is available. Nope, I installed X11 via FreeBSD's ports system (from source code). The FreeBSD ports system downloads the source code directly from the people that create each port. In this case the servers of X.Org. So the VESA driver I'm running should be the exact same source code and driver used under all X11 systems (Linux included). The probably difference is that I use a xorg.conf file to specify exactly what I want, because I know what hardware I have. I don't leave it up to chance and let the X11 software _try and detect_ what I have. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Hallo Graeme, Du schriebst am Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:57:45 +0100: > > If Julio runs Linux, which he probabely does, it is quite possible that > > the VESA driver doesn't support all the built-in firmware ... > Nope, I installed X11 via FreeBSD's ports system (from source code). The ... > driver I'm running should be the exact same source code and driver used > under all X11 systems (Linux included). Sounds somewhat like it, but there could still be decisive differences - much of this software abounds with conditional compilation statements implementing target specific functionality - or non-functionality. But I don't have the code around now, and not _quite_ the spare time needed to analyze it... > The probably difference is that I use a xorg.conf file to specify This could be a factor, the auto detection mechanisms aren't always too brilliant in guessing what can be used and what should be left, that's right. But there might be other factors, too. E.g., if the driver cannot get sufficient memory for a higher resolution, it cannot support it. And that's completely outside the drivers competence. Anyway, it's not easy to tell why Julio's machine doesn't provide full resolution when using the VESA driver. -- -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
VESA, UVESA & KMS (DRM based) Nouveau/Radeon disallow any h/w accelarating but simpliest area copying in rare cases. With modern hardware, they can be considered as deep fallbacks. Graeme, it seem that You had to switch to a large LED backlight monitor (27 inches me guess). How did You tune its backlight & brightness level so that your eyes feel comfortable ? Me still can't adopt to LED backlight of my monitor with its 200 Hz PWM backlignt regulator. 2013/9/21 Sieghard > Hallo Graeme, > > Du schriebst am Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:57:45 +0100: > > > > If Julio runs Linux, which he probabely does, it is quite possible that > > > the VESA driver doesn't support all the built-in firmware > ... > > Nope, I installed X11 via FreeBSD's ports system (from source code). The > ... > > driver I'm running should be the exact same source code and driver used > > under all X11 systems (Linux included). > > Sounds somewhat like it, but there could still be decisive differences - > much of this software abounds with conditional compilation statements > implementing target specific functionality - or non-functionality. > But I don't have the code around now, and not _quite_ the spare time > needed to analyze it... > > > The probably difference is that I use a xorg.conf file to specify > > This could be a factor, the auto detection mechanisms aren't always too > brilliant in guessing what can be used and what should be left, that's > right. > But there might be other factors, too. E.g., if the driver cannot get > sufficient memory for a higher resolution, it cannot support it. And > that's completely outside the drivers competence. > Anyway, it's not easy to tell why Julio's machine doesn't provide full > resolution when using the VESA driver. > > -- > -- > (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung > nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) > --- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz > --- > > > > > -- > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, > SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack > includes > Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Julio's machine doesn't provide full resolution when using the VESA driver = To get all supported resolutions, there's UVESA driver (kernel module + v86d userspace tuner) instead. Its drawback is unable to have booting penguins (earliest stage graphic console) :) 2013/9/21 Ivanko B > VESA, UVESA & KMS (DRM based) Nouveau/Radeon disallow any h/w accelarating > but simpliest area copying in rare cases. With modern hardware, they can be > considered as deep fallbacks. > > Graeme, it seem that You had to switch to a large LED backlight monitor > (27 inches me guess). How did You tune its backlight & brightness level so > that your eyes feel comfortable ? Me still can't adopt to LED backlight of > my monitor with its 200 Hz PWM backlignt regulator. > > > > 2013/9/21 Sieghard > >> Hallo Graeme, >> >> Du schriebst am Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:57:45 +0100: >> >> > > If Julio runs Linux, which he probabely does, it is quite possible >> that >> > > the VESA driver doesn't support all the built-in firmware >> ... >> > Nope, I installed X11 via FreeBSD's ports system (from source code). The >> ... >> > driver I'm running should be the exact same source code and driver used >> > under all X11 systems (Linux included). >> >> Sounds somewhat like it, but there could still be decisive differences - >> much of this software abounds with conditional compilation statements >> implementing target specific functionality - or non-functionality. >> But I don't have the code around now, and not _quite_ the spare time >> needed to analyze it... >> >> > The probably difference is that I use a xorg.conf file to specify >> >> This could be a factor, the auto detection mechanisms aren't always too >> brilliant in guessing what can be used and what should be left, that's >> right. >> But there might be other factors, too. E.g., if the driver cannot get >> sufficient memory for a higher resolution, it cannot support it. And >> that's completely outside the drivers competence. >> Anyway, it's not easy to tell why Julio's machine doesn't provide full >> resolution when using the VESA driver. >> >> -- >> -- >> (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung >> nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) >> --- >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz >> --- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! >> 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, >> SharePoint >> 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack >> includes >> Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. >> >> http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk >> ___ >> mseide-msegui-talk mailing list >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk >> > > -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Hi The true problem is the artifacts when using EXA acceleration. I'm not going to use VESA son I didn't want to waste time investigating why it detected and dropped the true monitor resolution and fall to 1024x768. As I said it was probably because no xorg.con supplied and this will be fixes setting the proper modeline in xorg.conf. This was a try when using nouveau.modeset=0 to avoid KMS. For some ATI cards, when you use radeon.modeset=0 it drops EXA and uses XAA and all is fine. You have MSEide working and your radeon card uses hardware acceleration. To make NOUVEAU working, you have to drop HW acceleration for the moment. If you are lucky and your nvidia card is working fine with nvidia propietary drivers.. then you can use it. From my experience some nvidia cards + propietary drivers = nightmare. The bug has been reported, only left to wait :) Thanks. -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
What I did in the mean time. For ATI cards. Added file /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf content: options radeon modeset=0 Added to xorg.conf (or your xorg config file...) Device section: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" in this way, I have MSEide working fine and have hardware acceleration. 3D performance is worse than using EXA but 2D is really fine. My perception is that it's faster using 2D than EXA. (XAA was the old and working acceleration method) Haven't tried if nouveau supports XAA I hope this helps other MSE users. Cheers. -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Am 21.09.2013 09:49, schrieb Julio Jiménez: > What I did in the mean time. > > For ATI cards. > > Added file /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf > content: options radeon modeset=0 > > Added to xorg.conf (or your xorg config file...) Device section: > > Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" > > in this way, I have MSEide working fine and have hardware acceleration. > 3D performance is worse than using EXA but 2D is really fine. My > perception is that it's faster using 2D than EXA. (XAA was the old and > working acceleration method) > > Haven't tried if nouveau supports XAA > > > I hope this helps other MSE users. > Thanks, I'll add it to README.TXT. Martin -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Hello Ivanko, On 2013-09-20 23:05, Ivanko B wrote: > Graeme, it seem that You had to switch to a large LED backlight monitor (27 > inches me guess). How did You tune its backlight & brightness level so that > your eyes feel comfortable ? Correct, I switched from a dual 19" LCD setup to a single 27" LCD setup. I am currently using the 27" DELL U2711 IPS display, which is absolutely brilliant. I also bought the Sound Bar add-on, so I really have no clutter on my desk, and all the screen [desktop] space I need. As for brightness, I used to set it manually. During the day I have it at 50%, and at night I used to set it down to about 10%. Since then I discovered the utility app "redshift" [and f.lux], which is available for all platforms (Linux/FreeBSD, Windows and MacOSX). You set your Lon/Lat position, and it automatically adjusts your monitor at dusk or dawn. Redshift changes the color profile at night to give it a slight red/pink'ish tint, which might look odd for the first 20 seconds (if you did a instant switch, and not a gradual switch) - but your eyes will thank you a thousand times over! :) Redshift: http://jonls.dk/redshift/ f.lux: http://justgetflux.com/ Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On 2013-09-21 09:18, Julio Jiménez wrote: > As I > said it was probably because no xorg.con supplied and this will be fixes > setting the proper modeline in xorg.conf. I don't specify manual modeline's in my xorg.conf - I simply specify the monitro display size, and the resolution I'm interested in. Attached is my xorg.conf if you want it as a reference. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "AutoAddDevices" "false" Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/local/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/OTF" FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" # FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "dri" Load "dbe" Load "dri2" Load "glx" Load "extmod" Load "record" # Load "type1" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" Option "XkbModel" "pc104" Option "XkbLayout" "us" # Option "XkbVariant" "dvorak" Option "XkbVariant" "dvorak-alt-intl" # Option "XkbVariant" "dvp" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" # Option "Device" "/dev/ums1" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName"Monitor Model" DisplaySize 2560 1440 EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "ShadowFB" # [] #Option "Rotate"# #Option "fbdev" # #Option "debug" # [] Identifier "Card0" Driver "vesa" # Driver "intel" VendorName "Intel Corporation" BoardName "Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller" # BusID "PCI:0:2:0" # Option "AccelMethod" "sna" Option "AccelMethod" "uxa" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor"Monitor0" DefaultDepth 24 Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "2560x1440" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Enable" EndSection -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
2013/9/21 Graeme Geldenhuys > On 2013-09-21 09:18, Julio Jiménez wrote: > > As I > > said it was probably because no xorg.con supplied and this will be fixes > > setting the proper modeline in xorg.conf. > > I don't specify manual modeline's in my xorg.conf - I simply specify the > monitro display size, and the resolution I'm interested in. > Yes, it's another option :) BTW, I only have ATI cards around.. so I can't test it. It happened doing a quick test on a computer of a colleague. I haven't problems configuring my computers :D -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
Correct, I switched from a dual 19" LCD setup to a single 27" LCD setup. I am currently using the 27" DELL U2711 IPS display, which is absolutely brilliant. == Me also had to swicth to 27 inches monitor (combo with analog+digital TV) "LG 27MA53D-PZ" IPS) - 1920x1080 for highly expected large 0.31mm (82 DPI) "grain" to move away from too small (0.26 mm = 96 DPI) LCD details. But 0.31 has been revealed to be still too small grain. And me still can't get what my eyes suffer from - too much contrast against environnment, or too much brightness (really the least workable level is appox 30%), or stroboscopic effect of PWM backlight (disappers at approx 75% wich is too high even in daylight). So, Your proposal "http://justgetflux.com/"; loks quite promisable. BTW, some IPS monitors (mine for instance) have BRG not RGB pixel order - which needs adjustment of subpixel antialaising. -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA+ Linux issues
On Saturday 21/09/2013 at 14:34, Ivanko B wrote: Me also had to swicth to 27 inches monitor (combo with analog+digital TV) "LG 27MA53D-PZ" IPS) - 1920x1080 for highly expected large 0.31mm I was specifically looking for the higher resolution 27" displays. I couldn't find many, but glad I spotted and choose the U2711. Another well know monitory is the 27" Apple Display - but at a crazy high price. As I mentioned, mine runs at native resolution of 2560x1440, but my X11 is setup to auto-set the dpi (not the ridiculous hard-coded 96dpi that Windows loves). Thus my fonts look a descent size and easy readable, even on such high resolution. Keyboards and Monitors are two things I'll rather pay more for, and know I get quality. They greatly affect my working performance, seeing that I program many hours per day. Regards, - Graeme - -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA+ Linux issues
but glad I spotted and choose the U2711 == A good monitor :). Also features the quite rare (for 27'') CCFL (no LED PWM issues to eyes) backlight. -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/22/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=64545871&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On Saturday 21 September 2013 10:49:54 Julio Jiménez wrote: > What I did in the mean time. > > For ATI cards. > > Added file /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf > content: options radeon modeset=0 > > Added to xorg.conf (or your xorg config file...) Device section: > > Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" > > in this way, I have MSEide working fine and have hardware acceleration. 3D > performance is worse than using EXA but 2D is really fine. My perception is > that it's faster using 2D than EXA. (XAA was the old and working > acceleration method) > On my OpenSUSE 12.3 radeon still uses EXA with this settings, please see attachments. Martin options radeon modeset=0 Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" Screen 2 "Screen2" RightOf "Screen1" InputDevice"Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice"Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/updates" ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/URW/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/sgi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/" FontPath "built-ins" EndSection Section "Module" Load "glx" Load "extmod" Load "vnc" Load "record" Load "dri2" Load "dbe" Load "dri" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName"Monitor Model" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName"Monitor Model" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor2" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName"Monitor Model" EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz", ### : "%" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "NoAccel" # [] #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "Dac6Bit" # [] #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] #Option "BusType" # [] #Option "CPPIOMode" # [] #Option "CPusecTimeout" # #Option "AGPMode" # #Option "AGPFastWrite" # [] #Option "AGPSize" # #Option "GARTSize" # #Option "RingSize" # #Option "BufferSize"# #Option "EnableDepthMoves" # [] #Option "EnablePageFlip"# [] #Option "NoBackBuffer" # [] #Option "DMAForXv" # [] #Option "FBTexPercent" # #Option "DepthBits" # #Option "PCIAPERSize" # #Option "AccelDFS" # [] #Option "IgnoreEDID"# [] #Option "CustomEDID"# [] #Option "DisplayPriority" # [] #Option "PanelSize" # [] #Option "ForceMinDotClock" # #Option "ColorTiling" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "RageTheatreCrystal"# #Option "RageTheatreTunerPort" # #Option "RageTheatreCompositePort" # #Option "RageTheatreSVideoPort" # #Option "TunerType" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocPath" # #Option "RageTheatreMicrocType" # #Option "ScalerWidth" # #Option "RenderAccel" # [] #Option "SubPixelOrder" # [] #Option "ClockGating" # [] #Option "VGAAccess" # [] #Option "ReverseDDC"# [] #Option "LVDSProbePLL" # [] #Option "AccelMethod" # #Option "DRI" # [] #Option "ConnectorTable
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I forgot to say XAA was dropped in newer xorg versions, still working in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Debian 7. For new xorg versions, disabling EXAPixmaps or disabling acceleration is the only way for the moment. -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I couldn't find many, but glad I spotted and choose the U2711. Another well know monitory is the 27" Apple Display - but at a crazy high price. === Me was affaraid this (and some ohers) model because of huge crystall effect shown by "www.overclockers.ru/images/lab/2013/08/06/1/98_kristaleffect_big.jpg" magnified by the small pixel size (the 5th column, the pre-last line on the picture) But it seems that this effect was highly exaggerated as to real feeling, correct ? BTW, DELL U2317H(M) shows exceptionally nice pixel structure & better colors (col=2nd, line= 5th from the bottom). Why didn't You choose the one ? Because of its LED backlight (= eye PWM issues) ? People say that U2317HM doesn't expose the PWM issues even with its LED backlight. -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On 23/09/13 10:06, Ivanko B wrote: > Me was affaraid this (and some ohers) model because of huge crystall > effect shown by I have never heard of the "crystal effect" before. No idea what it is, sorry. > But it seems that this effect was highly exaggerated as to real > feeling, correct ? All I can say is that the display as a whole and the color accuracy is fantastic, and the input ports are plenty. It also has a built-in card-reader and USB ports. > BTW, DELL U2317H(M) shows exceptionally nice pixel structure & better > colors (col=2nd, line= 5th from the bottom). Why didn't You choose the > one ? Because it is only a 23" display, and only has 1920x1080 resolution. I wanted specifically a IPS display with 2560x1440 or higher resolution to replace my dual monitor setup, and still give me enough desktop space for applications to work side-by-side (eg: debugging, coding etc.) I bought my U2711 about 1.5 years ago, and it just works! BTW: Since then Dell has released a newer U2711 - I think with less input ports (or they removed the card reader or something), but it could swivel 90 degrees to make a vertical display. I'm still very happy I got the one I did though. Regards, Graeme -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
I have never heard of the "crystal effect" before. No idea what it is, sorry. == That mean the effect was really exaggerated. DELL U2317H(M) == Oops,sure - me did a mistake. Cheaper U2713HM (edge W-LED, 16mln color) & pro U2713H (matrix BG-LED, high-contrast, 1bln color) -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
On 23/09/13 11:11, Ivanko B wrote: > Oops,sure - me did a mistake. Cheaper U2713HM (edge W-LED, 16mln > color) & pro U2713H (matrix BG-LED, high-contrast, 1bln color) I just went on the Dell website, and it seems the U2711 has been replaced by the U2713H model. I haven't looked in more detail to see what is different. If memory serves me well, I thing the U2711 (after my model) also switched to the more power efficient LED setup - no idea if that affects color accuracy etc. Regards, Graeme. -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] About xrender and stretched bitmaps + EXA + Linux issues
They also changed screen coating - possibly because of the mentioned crystall effect many sensitive people complain on. When selectiong a new monitor, me also got affraid of these (as revealed today - vaste ones) complains. -- LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just $49.99! 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows 8, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. BEST VALUE: New Multi-Library Power Pack includes Mobile, Cloud, Java, and UX Design. Lowest price ever! Ends 9/20/13. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
