Re: No sheets on the internet?
> > Note by the way that 'sheet' is not really English in the sense you mean > it here. You should say 'slides' or 'transparencies'. A sheet you put on > your bed. Strangely enough, in Japan they also call it sheets (SHI- TSU). According to the Merriam-Webster: sheet(noun): (...) 2: a usually rectangular piece of paper; especially : one manufactured for printing (2) : a rectangular piece of heavy paper with a plant specimen mounted on it b : a printed signature for a book especially before it has been folded, cut, or bound -- usually used in plural c : a newspaper, periodical, or occasional publication d : the unseparated postage stamps printed by one impression of a plate on a single piece of paper; also : a pane of stamps Just for the folks still in doubt. =) []s, -Parn (ICQ#1693182) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ http://parn.overclocked.org/ \/ - \/ Parn's Music Station | | Game Music XMs and more! -- --Izati Aba Mehinam Eto Kafe Nan -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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On Thursday 26 April 2001 13:44, you wrote: > The PC software industry is suffering a lot because of copying, the are > investing millions of dollars to make new copy-protections etc. Their rating scheme is wrong !! They take the aproach of sold 20 products but statistics indicate fifteen copies were made, so they take their calculator and say: "This means a loss of 15 x price-of-product." However, everybody knows that of those 15 copies maybeone or two were going to be sold if the copy protection was good enough. Most copiers wouldn't buy a to high priced original, however they would buy a cheap one. I almost always buy the games once the price as dropped (even if that means that I have to wait a year (or two)) > One of the reasons that DVD is becoming the standard and DIVX isn't is > because > DVD is very expensive to copy, DIVX isn't. > (Yeah I know, you can convert DVD to DIVX yada-yada-yada) DVD is more a data carrier (like CD-ROM) and DivX is just a coding scheme for movies. Besides DVD movies are much easier to use for dummy's while DivX still demands some form a technical expertice to install and use. Even 12-o'clock-blinkers can play DVD movies but will never succeed with DivX as it is for he moment. Another point: DivX is copyrighted M$ and not a standard and appernetly (M$ isn't going to allow other producers). DVD movie encryption is slightly free-er but with license troubles for not commercial producers. David -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
RE: No sheets on the internet?
|Well, they say it's cool to be clear, so... Eh that was like 10 years ago... when people still drank 7-up Pepijn -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> Hey Manuel, Yo > > > Hmm.. lets pretend I did not hear that from someone who sells a monitor > with > > > KNOBS on msx2.com > > Knob is English! It's a 'draaiknop'. Button is a 'drukknop'. > > > > (sorry, have been watching Bottom too much lately) > > Love that. > > Then you should understand what I was meaning to say ;) > Anyway... Well, they say it's cool to be clear, so... > > By the way Sander, any news about those V9958 VDPs? > > Yup. They're probably still available. Still cheap. Great! > Communication with a Japanese company is rather slow and difficult... Please keep us updated! :-) Grtjs, Manuel - I guess I had better stop this thread now - PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? The Ultimate MSX FAQ: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my home page at http://bilderbeek.cjb.net/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Hey Manuel, > > Hmm.. lets pretend I did not hear that from someone who sells a monitor with > > KNOBS on msx2.com > Knob is English! It's a 'draaiknop'. Button is a 'drukknop'. > > (sorry, have been watching Bottom too much lately) > Love that. Then you should understand what I was meaning to say ;) Anyway... > By the way Sander, any news about those V9958 VDPs? Yup. They're probably still available. Still cheap. Communication with a Japanese company is rather slow and difficult... Greetz, Sander --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: No sheets on the internet?
> Hmm.. lets pretend I did not hear that from someone who sells a monitor with > KNOBS on msx2.com Knob is English! It's a 'draaiknop'. Button is a 'drukknop'. > (sorry, have been watching Bottom too much lately) Love that. By the way Sander, any news about those V9958 VDPs? Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? The Ultimate MSX FAQ: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my home page at http://bilderbeek.cjb.net/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: No sheets on the internet?
> We all agree about this, that's why I said piracy does not really have a great > influence on the success of a computer. It can have in the long run. One of the reasons that DVD is becoming the standard and DIVX isn't is because DVD is very expensive to copy, DIVX isn't. (Yeah I know, you can convert DVD to DIVX yada-yada-yada) Greetz, Sander --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Helleuwz... > Um, he announced a single MSX chip already last year on MSX Denyuu Land. Yes, but now he announced specifications. He gave us a lot more information. > Note by the way that 'sheet' is not really English in the sense you mean it here. You should say 'slides' or 'transparencies'. A sheet you put on your bed. Strangely enough, in Japan they also call it sheets (SHI- TSU). Hmm.. lets pretend I did not hear that from someone who sells a monitor with KNOBS on msx2.com (sorry, have been watching Bottom too much lately) > Also note the new MSX will not be a PC like MSX, but an MSX like PC. A cheap, small computer, that as a bonus is MSX compatible via FPGA and emulation. Yup.. I had already figured that one out all by myself ;) > Just my $200,01... ;-) Hmm.. what ever happend to the Euro? :) Sander --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> Hm, on the other hand, the main reason why people *do* copy CDs is the fact that > the prices are so ridiculously high! Same holds for software... YUp. It's a vicious circle. (Pun intended) > > Again.. read what I said: people LIKE Martos. > 'scuse me again. I wrote 'Martos' but meant 'ppl like Martos'... Just being a 'mierenneuker' here ;) > > What if someone like Martos cracks old roms to be used on the MSX-Player > > (as far as I understood, the old ROM-games on the internet will be useless, > > because you need the encrypted version from MSX-Server) > Then the MSX-Player will be the next flop, I guess... Indeed. So lets do everything we can to prevent that from happening. > Another $200 ;-) Damn.. The value of this mailinglist is rising dramatically! Greetz, Sander --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Helleuwz... > About the fact that he used to crack games, what can I say? Most games he > cracked were not for sale in Europe, so at least for me was the only way to > get them (and no, I don't think piracy was the reason that made Japanese > companies decide not to sell in Europe). I am almost absolutely sure that the reason the games were not available was because of the low (no) sales, because of the excessive cracking and copying. > Obviously, setting up the MSX-Server means money, but do they really > want to pay it selling old ROMs that nearly everybody has? Nowadays, > with more and more developers going into open source, maybe that's not > a good idea. The emulator is going to be free, and probably open-source. Lots of ROMs are going to be free. For some you will have to pay. You could also buy new (sunrise etc.) games on MSX Server. > IMHO, if the new MSX project finally succeed or not won't be > cause of piracy, but because the effort the companies put on it. As someone > said in the list, just take a look at PC: everybody copies games since the > very beginning, and still going on. The PC software industry is suffering a lot because of copying, the are investing millions of dollars to make new copy-protections etc. I'm not saying copying is the sole reason that MSX died. But the succes of the MSX Revival also depends on us and our behaviour. Let's act like responsible adults from now on ;))) > Phew, I used to write *small* mails :) Hehe ;) Sander --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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>(I believe you currently need a > state-of-the-art PDA to be able to use it, the other PDA's are too slow! I have noticed that even the Gameboy emulator Palmboy runs too slow on my Palm IIIxe and it is difficult to play because there aren't enough control buttons. So I wonder how fast the MSX Player will be. On the other hand, I'll need a new colour PDA anyway to play MSX games. So that's good for the market: MSX as an argument for buying a new PDA! Anyway, what we consider state-of-the-art today will be standard in one or two years time. Pierre -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> Hm, on the other hand, the main reason why people *do* copy CDs is the fact that > the prices are so ridiculously high! Same holds for software... In the case of software that's even more the case. I am often willing to pay 40 guilders for an original CD because then I get a nice CD and box etc. and it will support the group who has created the CD. But paying !whello! 100 guilders!!! for a game I will probably only play for a week or so??? No way. The only game I know I have really played for a long time and am playing again was Final Fantasy VII (which I have bought). Okay this is REALLY getting off-topic (oh jolly fun fun). Anyways I rather see MSX-Player as a kind of 'campaign'. And if the MSX-Player is distributed in mass (it's free so that shouldn't be too big a problem), and the fee's on the MSX-Server are low (or not there at all for old games), then I definately think it could become a success... As long as the marketing-job is handles well and the MSX-Player isn't too slow (I believe you currently need a state-of-the-art PDA to be able to use it, the other PDA's are too slow! I think that might pose a problem). ~Grauw -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: No sheets on the internet?
Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > I was talking about the emulator... > > Grtjs, Manuel Erm, what the hell was I thinking in? I shouldn't be working and writing mails at the same time... :) Grtx, Cleme -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > > > It's not US who should be buying those games, but people who have never hea rd about MSX before. Which is a much bigger market. The emulator will be spread MASSIVELY. Most people who will get it, won't know about where to get soft. > > > > I'm not sure of this. As the new MSX (or whatever it would be) is out, ga me developers would focus on using > the full capabilities of it, so would the big market be interested in old gam es? (so to say, Game Boy Advanced > can use old GB games, but most ppl won't buy them). I was talking about the emulator... Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? The Ultimate MSX FAQ: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my home page at http://bilderbeek.cjb.net/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Manuel Bilderbeek wrote: > It's not US who should be buying those games, but people who have never heard about >MSX before. Which is a much bigger market. The emulator will be spread MASSIVELY. >Most people who will get it, won't know about where to get soft. > I'm not sure of this. As the new MSX (or whatever it would be) is out, game developers would focus on using the full capabilities of it, so would the big market be interested in old games? (so to say, Game Boy Advanced can use old GB games, but most ppl won't buy them). > > And the fact that PC is successful is not due to its good games or whatever. It's >becuase it is in every home and office nowadays, multipurpose... > We all agree about this, that's why I said piracy does not really have a great influence on the success of a computer. Grtx, Cleme -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> As for the sheets: Kazuhiko Nishi has proven he still thinks of the European > MSX > scene very highly, by letting us be the first in the world to hear the > announcement > of the singlechip MSX. If he does not like the sheets on the internet, we Um, he announced a single MSX chip already last year on MSX Denyuu Land. > will have > to respect that and remove them from the internet. Nishi himself didn't complain about it nor did he ever say things were confidential. However, Nasu said it might be better not to publish everything. Note by the way that 'sheet' is not really English in the sense you mean it here. You should say 'slides' or 'transparencies'. A sheet you put on your bed. Strangely enough, in Japan they also call it sheets (SHI- TSU). Also note the new MSX will not be a PC like MSX, but an MSX like PC. A cheap, small computer, that as a bonus is MSX compatible via FPGA and emulation. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: >Obviously, setting up the MSX-Server means money, but do they really >want to pay it selling old ROMs that nearly everybody has? Nowadays, >with more and more developers going into open source, maybe that's not It's not US who should be buying those games, but people who have never heard about MSX before. Which is a much bigger market. The emulator will be spread MASSIVELY. Most people who will get it, won't know about where to get soft. And the fact that PC is successful is not due to its good games or whatever. It's becuase it is in every home and office nowadays, multipurpose... Just my $200,01... ;-) Grtjs, Manuel PS: MSX 4 EVER! (Questions? The Ultimate MSX FAQ: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/) PPS: Visit my home page at http://bilderbeek.cjb.net/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Saner Zuidema wrote: > I quoted a lot, so you can read I wrote we were -=[PARTLY]=- responsible. True. I need glasses, obviously 8-) > You might have noticed that a lot of music-companies aren't doing very > well at all at the moment. Even large companies like the Free Record Shop > are suffering from the fact that a lot of people are copying cd's nowadays. > As for the software, I don't know the hard facts. But one reason the prices > are so rediculously high is because otherwise there would be no profits at all. Hm, on the other hand, the main reason why people *do* copy CDs is the fact that the prices are so ridiculously high! Same holds for software... > Again.. read what I said: people LIKE Martos. 'scuse me again. I wrote 'Martos' but meant 'ppl like Martos'... > What if someone like Martos cracks old roms to be used on the MSX-Player > (as far as I understood, the old ROM-games on the internet will be useless, > because you need the encrypted version from MSX-Server) Then the MSX-Player will be the next flop, I guess... Another $200 ;-) Eric -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Somebody, somewhere, said: > > > I can only say that I see people like Martos as > > > a huge threat to the entire revival project. > > I don't. The revival project is largely open source. How would you 'crack' > > and illegaly copy open source. Plus, you assuming that Martos is still > > interested in crackin & copying software... > > Again.. read what I said: people LIKE Martos. > What if someone like Martos cracks old roms to be used on the MSX-Player > (as far as I understood, the old ROM-games on the internet will be useless, > because you need the encrypted version from MSX-Server) Ok, I've met Martos personally so maybe I could say sth about him. Last time I saw him (a long time ago, actually) he was "out of the business" of cracking. In fact, he was involved in the development of some kind of game with Manuel Pazos, although finally things didn't work out due to studies, I think. About the fact that he used to crack games, what can I say? Most games he cracked were not for sale in Europe, so at least for me was the only way to get them (and no, I don't think piracy was the reason that made Japanese companies decide not to sell in Europe). Whenever I've found some original game I've been interested in, I've buyed it if the price was reasonable, which wasn't always. Check out e-bay if you wanna laugh your ass about how much money is asking ppl for games. Obviously, setting up the MSX-Server means money, but do they really want to pay it selling old ROMs that nearly everybody has? Nowadays, with more and more developers going into open source, maybe that's not a good idea. I'd be for the idea of retiring the ROMs from Internet if (and only if :)) they do not ask money for the ones they place on MSX-Server. This would mean that anyone who wants to download the ROM would have to do it from them, this way they would have lots of connections (and bucks, through advertisments and that sort of things). IMHO, if the new MSX project finally succeed or not won't be cause of piracy, but because the effort the companies put on it. As someone said in the list, just take a look at PC: everybody copies games since the very beginning, and still going on. As I see it, Nishi's ideas are great because they mean MSX users will have a common goal, and we can put our effort together instead of trying to "save" MSX everybody at the same time but with different projects. Phew, I used to write *small* mails :) Grtx, Cleme -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> > We MSX users were partly responsible for the failure of the MSX system. > > A lot of companes stopped developing software for MSX because of the low > > sales (because of excessive copying). > I honestly have my doubts about that. Of course, the excessive copying was > *a* reason, but I don't think it was *the* reason. *The* reason was that > over the years more commercially interesting platforms, like PC and all the > game consoles, appeared and MSX was getting out-dated and obsolete. > The lack of a proper successor to the MSX2 (*) and main hardware developers > bailing out was IMHO the main reason MSX died. I quoted a lot, so you can read I wrote we were -=[PARTLY]=- responsible. May I remind you to the fact that a lot of companies, including Konami continued developing software for the MSX long after its 'death' Another thing, that might not be well-known is that MicroCabin offered to release translated versions of their games (English, off course), but it turned out that the MSX users in the Netherlands were not interested. An English version would be nice, but they did not want to pay for it. They already had copied the original version! > Besides, haven't you noticed the fact that there's a CD toaster in almost > every PC nowadays? Copying games and other software is as easy as > alt.crackz.com. > I don't see that stopping companies from writing software for the PC... You might have noticed that a lot of music-companies aren't doing very well at all at the moment. Even large companies like the Free Record Shop are suffering from the fact that a lot of people are copying cd's nowadays. As for the software, I don't know the hard facts. But one reason the prices are so rediculously high is because otherwise there would be no profits at all. > (*) No, I don't see MSX-2+ as a proper successor. The only improvement > being some more screen resolutions, which were a lot harder to program for, > and (*hurray*) horizontal scrolling. The turbo-R was a step in the right > direction, though... The most interesting development towards an MSX-3 > I've seen sofar is the MSX380 project from Mr. Padial - but it's unfortunately > about 10 years too late... Yup, Maybe the 2 mistakes Nishi was talking about. 2+- Almost no improvements turboR - Too late, and no V9990 > > I can only say that I see people like Martos as > > a huge threat to the entire revival project. > I don't. The revival project is largely open source. How would you 'crack' > and illegaly copy open source. Plus, you assuming that Martos is still > interested in crackin & copying software... Again.. read what I said: people LIKE Martos. What if someone like Martos cracks old roms to be used on the MSX-Player (as far as I understood, the old ROM-games on the internet will be useless, because you need the encrypted version from MSX-Server) > Just my $200 (yes, I value my own opinion X-)) Hmm... ;)) Greetz, Sander --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Sander Zuidema wrote: > I agree with Anne on this one. > We MSX users were partly responsible for the failure of the MSX system. > A lot of companes stopped developing software for MSX because of the low > sales (because of excessive copying). I honestly have my doubts about that. Of course, the excessive copying was *a* reason, but I don't think it was *the* reason. *The* reason was that over the years more commercially interesting platforms, like PC and all the game consoles, appeared and MSX was getting out-dated and obsolete. The lack of a proper successor to the MSX2 (*) and main hardware developers bailing out was IMHO the main reason MSX died. Besides, haven't you noticed the fact that there's a CD toaster in almost every PC nowadays? Copying games and other software is as easy as alt.crackz.com. I don't see that stopping companies from writing software for the PC... (*) No, I don't see MSX-2+ as a proper successor. The only improvement being some more screen resolutions, which were a lot harder to program for, and (*hurray*) horizontal scrolling. The turbo-R was a step in the right direction, though... The most interesting development towards an MSX-3 I've seen sofar is the MSX380 project from Mr. Padial - but it's unfortunately about 10 years too late... > Some people adore Martos and are glad he's back in the MSX scene. Is he? > I can only say that I see people like Martos as > a huge threat to the entire revival project. I don't. The revival project is largely open source. How would you 'crack' and illegaly copy open source. Plus, you assuming that Martos is still interested in crackin & copying software... Just my $200 (yes, I value my own opinion X-)) Eric -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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It would be nice if 'the japanese people' and the 'japanese community' would enter this discussion here. Now we only have interpretations and secondhand contacts... It is not that important to me, but someone brave and involved enough could simply ask Nishi about his opinion on having the sheets and other info on the web? His mail address is on the first sheet. It is not important enough to me because I do not believe that we will see a new MSX as successor in the MSX, MSX2, 2+ and Turbo-R line. It is still commercially not interesting enough to build a PC-like MSX (Nishi told us he would not make the new MSX to be a PC competitor). So in the base design there is a single-chip with a huge potential for pervasive computing that as a side effect will play MSX games in some situations. And games do not interest me. An intelligent device like a micro wave oven that happens to be controlled by this MSX chip, well, it will be nice to have but not because i can play MSX games on it. Nishi sheets on my site will go offline. My site is about connecting the MSX (the old one..) to the real world with do-it-yourself electronics and programming information for that. Not about games (the game downloading part of the MSX player does not interest me at all). So the sheets do not contribute to what I am trying to achieve with my site. If Anne is concerned about my opinion on his opinion on the sheets online, i would say sorry. Please regard it just as a (mis)interpretation. Hans (just a personal opinion) -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> If your view on my opinion was about the ROMs and other copyrighted MSX > software only, then you are right. I really think we should take all the > copyrighted MSX software offline. Just to TRY to get the MSX PLAYER a bit > popular. As soon as those old games become commercial interesting again and > the copyrights 'revive' a bit, we should learn something from the past. We > should stick together and try to convince everyone it is for the sake of MSX > that the software will only be available via the official ASCII MSX server. > Yes, ASCII will make money that way, but ASCII will also see that the > MSX-system is something they should go on with. I assure you, when the > emulator fails, we won't see any new MSX.. I say let's wait for the MSX-Player and MSX-Server first... Would be a shame if Nishi's plans don't work out and we have lost all stuff we collected through time, eh? I also think we should leave the files not available on the MSX-Server online at funet. ~Grauw -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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I agree with Anne on this one. We MSX users were partly responsible for the failure of the MSX system. A lot of companes stopped developing software for MSX because of the low sales (because of excessive copying). Some people adore Martos and are glad he's back in the MSX scene. I can only say that I see people like Martos as a huge threat to the entire revival project. As for the sheets: Kazuhiko Nishi has proven he still thinks of the European MSX scene very highly, by letting us be the first in the world to hear the announcement of the singlechip MSX. If he does not like the sheets on the internet, we will have to respect that and remove them from the internet. Greetings, Sander Zuidema --- Webmaster benjamin B. - http://www.benjaminb.demon.nl/ Listen to benjamin B. - http://stage.vitaminic.nl/benjamin_b./ Webmaster MSX resource center - http://www.msx.org/ Join the msx.org RC5 team- http://msx.xs4all.nl/ -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> > The 'take all MSX info that is not officialy permitted off the web' is > > Anne's interpretation. And that would make the revival/survival of MSX much > > more difficult. So do not remove it please! > > or at least... not for now... yet. > (that probably isn't very correct english but you should get my point) It bothered me a bit already that Hans redirected my words into 'my opinion'. I decided not to react on it. Now Laurens is copying Hans' part and reacts on it. I DO need to say something about it now Actually, I will quote myself: Message from Anne de Raad, 23-4-2001, 8:26 about the sheets published : 'Seriously, I don't want you to take them offline. I don't see any harm in publishing them. It is actually quite interesting for the people who weren't there. I ONLY want to tell you what the japanese people thought of it.' Please Hans, could you mind this statement before you conclude I want everything off the web? You're message was from 23-4-2001 at 16:11, so you read my quote above already. I only want to give the list the view of the japanese on this subject. www.msx.org did a wise thing and took the sheets offline already. Let me put it this way, it will stabilize and improve our contacts with the japanese MSX community. If your view on my opinion was about the ROMs and other copyrighted MSX software only, then you are right. I really think we should take all the copyrighted MSX software offline. Just to TRY to get the MSX PLAYER a bit popular. As soon as those old games become commercial interesting again and the copyrights 'revive' a bit, we should learn something from the past. We should stick together and try to convince everyone it is for the sake of MSX that the software will only be available via the official ASCII MSX server. Yes, ASCII will make money that way, but ASCII will also see that the MSX-system is something they should go on with. I assure you, when the emulator fails, we won't see any new MSX.. Anne -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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> The 'take all MSX info that is not officialy permitted off the web' is > Anne's interpretation. And that would make the revival/survival of MSX much > more difficult. So do not remove it please! or at least... not for now... yet. (that probably isn't very correct english but you should get my point) ~Grauw -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
RE: No sheets on the internet?
If Nishi wanted to have the information kept quiet, he would have said so. Or marked the handouts as Confidential, Not for distribution, Nondisclosure, put a copyright notice on it or an official statement. As it is now (as you can see at the scans i made on www.geocities.com/msxhans) the sheets are very 'unofficial', only the first contains the text ASCII Corporation. Nishi was not at all in his public speech or answers occupied with keeping things secret. He even promised to make some sources Open source and make other info in the future better available to small developers. The 'take all MSX info that is not officialy permitted off the web' is Anne's interpretation. And that would make the revival/survival of MSX much more difficult. So do not remove it please! -Original Message- From: Nestor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 23 April 2001 15:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: No sheets on the internet? > In english, I just warned Bart for publishing the sheets on the internet. It > could be that ASCII or Nishi is not that happy about publishing his sheets. > They are copyrighted. Don't scare me now! So what happens with my text files version of MSX2 Technical Handbook?? 8-) *** XIX MSX USERS MEETING IN BARCELONA: APRIL 29th 2001 *** -- Konami Man - AKA Nestor Soriano (^^)v http://www.konamiman.com- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 18281450 "Celebrating the imprudences must be unfailingly consequent with it said, not for the fact in itself, but for some that another onomatopoeia to the use" -- -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: No sheets on the internet?
>> In english, I just warned Bart for publishing the sheets on the internet. It >> could be that ASCII or Nishi is not that happy about publishing his sheets. >> They are copyrighted. > Don't scare me now! So what happens with my text files version of MSX2 > Technical Handbook?? 8-) That handbook is 'old stuff'. The sheets, however contained info on what Nishi is planning for the future - *that*'s relevant info for competitors... Eric -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
