Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Dvorak symphony 9

[Chris Sawer]

We keep a stack of old LilyPond binaries around for corrections to older 
pieces. They are available from the LilyPond website, eg:


http://download.linuxaudio.org/lilypond/binaries/linux-64/

Version 2.14 runs fine on our CentOS 7 build server so I think you'll 
probably be ok on Fedora 22. If you get stuck let me know and I can 
rebuild the piece with tenor clef for you.


If anyone has time to update the LilyPond source to output both alto and 
tenor clef for this part, that would be great. I don't think many 
trombone players are comfortable in alto clef these days, according to 
wikipedia it used to be standard for the 1st trombone part though.


Chris




On 19/03/2016 14:32, Knute Snortum wrote:

I can send you Lilypond 2.14 if you want to go that way.  I engraved
brass.ly  with it with only warnings.

If I had to guess, Frescobaldi converted just brass.ly 
and not the other files it relies on.  I will look into that further.


Knute Snortum
(via Gmail)

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Steve Taylor > wrote:

Hi there,

I wonder of anyone can quickly solve this?  I'd like to print out
the 1st trombone part in tenor clef (rather than alto clef) as I'll
be playing it next month.

I downloaded all the files and converted them from 2.14.2 to my
latest version (2.18.0) without any apparent errors.  But running
lilypond on brass.ly  caused lots of errors
(particularly many saying "wrong type of argument") - culminating in
a segmentation fault and core dump (on Fedora 22).

http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=1793

cheers,
Steve


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Prototype MutopiaProject site is up for review

[Chris Sawer]

Many thanks to Glen, Knute, Javier and Paul for working on this.

I am looking forward to going live with the new site in the next few weeks.

Chris



On 09/02/2016 18:25, Glen Larsen wrote:

Late last year an effort was started to update the MutopiaProject.org
website. The primary goal was to upgrade the existing site to HTML5,
allowing better performance on small-format devices. We used a free and
respected web infrastructure toolkit (bootstrap
) and documented a substantial amount of the
existing code in the process.

Chris has made the prototype available for review and your feedback is
welcome:

http://www.mutopiaproject.org/new/index.html

Please note that while the prototype is working against a full archive,
the "latest additions" are a small development set. Try this on your
smart phone or tablet, browse the site, and let us know what you think.
Feedback and bug reports are welcome on all aspects of the prototype site.

The volunteers for this phase were Knute Snortum, Javier Ruiz-Alma, and
Paul Morris. All were instrumental with code, documentation, design, and
usability. They all have my thanks for being fun and professional.

-glen



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[Mutopia-discuss] mutopiaproject.org domain e-mail issues

[Chris Sawer]

Hi all,

We are currently having issues with e-mails to the mutopiaproject.org 
domain bouncing.


I hope to have the problem fixed in the next few days. In the meantime, 
messages sent to this list should still get through and we can still see 
pull requests on GitHub.


Apologies for any inconvenience.

Chris

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] OK to use devel version of LilyPond?

[Chris Sawer]

On 19/07/14 08:42, Abel Cheung wrote:

For *human* who may check out the files themselves, I do try to add
comment on header (and sometimes inline) whenever I can remember, so
other people can notice. However, the question is specifically about how
the *machine* rendering those mutopia scores would behave. As Federico
Bruni said the question is related to how mutopia website is built.

To summarize, the goal is: downloadable PDF on mutopiaproject.org
http://mutopiaproject.org looks exactly what I expect, instead of
producing surprises for everybody.


Hi Abel,

At present the compilation of pieces for the website is not fully 
automated - the version of LilyPond to be used is indeed selected by a 
human. I use the following logic:


- For development \version statements match the LilyPond version exactly 
to avoid exactly the problems you describe


- For stable \version statements 2.18.0 (and 2.18.1) I will manually 
update the \version statement to 2.18.2 before compiling. This is mainly 
because convert-ly only updates to 2.18.0 and I think it makes sense to 
compile with the latest stable version which should produce an identical 
PDF.


In any case, if there are problems with the PDF produced it can easily 
be rebuilt if required.


Regards,

Chris

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] OK to use devel version of LilyPond?

[Chris Sawer]

On 08/07/14 11:18, Abel Cheung wrote:

On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:21 PM, David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:

file with a \version 2.18.2 header (possibly with a comment after it
that 2.19.whatever yields preferable spacing) while producing the PDF
using 2.19.whatever.


Thanks, but in that case how would the generation scripts in mutopia
decide which version to use? Or just use version indicated by
\version?


Contributions can be compiled with development LilyPond, that's 
generally not a problem as long as the new version works with our 
existing scripts. I compiled one with 2.19.7 today without any issues.


http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=1957

The \version in the .ly file should match the version of LilyPond that 
you want us to compile with.


Regards,

Chris


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Status of latest update task

[Chris Sawer]

Thanks again to those who have contributed to the phase 2 update task, 
and also to Glen for organising it.

I am still working through the 2.18 updates and hope to have them all 
added to the website within the next two weeks.

In other news, new contributions are now being added more rapidly than 
before, although corrections are being processed more slowly due to the 
need to proofread/check them.

I have updated the website following Federico's suggestions a few weeks 
ago. Some more work is needed in the area of CC Public Domain licenses 
which is now high on my priority list.

Any feedback is welcome.

Regards,

Chris



On 26/01/14 21:01, Chris Sawer wrote:
 Thanks indeed. A quick update from my side - my current priorities are
 as follows:

 (1) Add new contributions - I believe I am currently up-to-date with
 recent contributions. If you have sent one and not received a reply then
 please re-send it.

 (2) New tagline work including latest CC licenses

 (3) Update website text following suggestions from Federico Bruni

 (4) Improve compilation scripts/procedure so that I can process 2.18
 updates more easily and quickly

 (5) Action 2.18 update pull requests

 I intend to have these finished by the end of February. Sorry that it
 means waiting a bit longer for the 2.18 updates but once the updating is
 more automated I should be able to process them more quickly in the future.

 Regards,

 Chris


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Status of latest update task

[Chris Sawer]

Thanks indeed. A quick update from my side - my current priorities are 
as follows:

(1) Add new contributions - I believe I am currently up-to-date with 
recent contributions. If you have sent one and not received a reply then 
please re-send it.

(2) New tagline work including latest CC licenses

(3) Update website text following suggestions from Federico Bruni

(4) Improve compilation scripts/procedure so that I can process 2.18 
updates more easily and quickly

(5) Action 2.18 update pull requests

I intend to have these finished by the end of February. Sorry that it 
means waiting a bit longer for the 2.18 updates but once the updating is 
more automated I should be able to process them more quickly in the future.

Regards,

Chris





On 25/01/14 17:26, Glen Larsen wrote:
 It has been a little over 2 weeks since this task was started and I am
 happy to say that 14 of the 15 tasks have pull requests submitted. A big
 Thank You! to the volunteers who helped get Mutopia clear of LilyPond 1.x:

 Karsten Richter
 Valentin Villenave
 Javier Ruiz-Alma
 Francisco Vila
 Federico Bruni
 Calixte Faure

 I plan to post another block of update targets to clear the lowest 2.x
 versions.

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] copyright status

[Chris Sawer]

On 12/01/14 12:17, hheb...@sdf.org wrote:
 I typeset a little piece in lilypond and wanted to contribute it to
 the mutopia project.  However, I have doubts about its copyright
 status.  It is an arrangement for cello solo and piano of a JS Bach
 piece.  It was arranged by Sam Franko which died in May 1937.  The
 score I used as source is available at IMSLP:

 http://tx0.org/7fv

Hi, thanks for your proposed contribution.

The IMSLP copyright page gives quite a useful summary of worldwide 
copyright law.

http://imslp.org/wiki/IMSLP:Public_Domain

For Mutopia, we require all three columns in the copyright table to be 
green (USA, Canada and EU/life+70). To summarise:

- Work must have been first published in 1922 or earlier
- Composer and editor must have died in 1943 or earlier

I am not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell, your piece fulfils both 
these requirements:

- First published in 1915
- Editor died in 1937 and composer somewhat earlier :-)

On this basis, I think it can be accepted in Mutopia.

Regards,

Chris


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] 3 requests to improve the project communication (and hopefully get new contributors)

[Chris Sawer]

Hi Federico and all,

Thanks for starting this discussion.

On 04/01/14 12:36, Federico Bruni wrote:
 1. I'ts been suggested[1] to add (on the website) a reference to the
 github way of contributing.
[...]

I agree, I would like to describe how to contribute using this method 
and add the information to the website.

 2. The same github user who didn't know about the github repo tried to
 send a contribution by email and never got a reply[2]. Too bad.

This is clearly not good enough and I would like to apologise to anyone 
in this situation.

I made an effort to try and work regularly on Mutopia throughout 
December, and intend to continue this effort into 2014. I have a week 
scheduled at the end of February (24th-28th) to review how things are 
going and plan for the future.

 I strongly suggest that contributions are sent to this list

I am happy to accept contributions sent to this list, and can add it to 
the website as a more public way of contributing.

I also plan to add any e-mail contributions which I can't process 
immediately (eg. complicated ones) as GitHub issues so the contributor - 
and anyone else - can track their progress.

 3. Licenses - http://www.mutopiaproject.org/legal.html
 Can you please add on that page the reason why licenses are limited to
 public domain, CC By and CC By-Sa?
 Cc By-Sa-Nc is not listed because it's not approved as free cultural
 license?
 http://creativecommons.org/freeworks

Yes, I will go through all the new CC licenses and update that page with 
some more information following your suggestion.

Regards, and best wishes to all for 2014.

Chris


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] update of Sicilienne (Op 78) by Gabriel Fauré

[Chris Sawer]

On 09/12/12 21:24, Felix Janda wrote:
 Would it be possible to send new/updated pieces as patches (git format-email)
 to the mailing list (to be imported with git am)? Then you can take one patch
 at the time.

Yes, although pull requests are more convenient and they also integrate 
nicely into the GitHub issue tracker.

If I keep up-to-date with pull requests then it won't be much of an 
issue.  :-)

Chris



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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] re contribution

[Chris Sawer]

On 04/02/12 18:40, corallina wrote:
 I posted mid last year that I would be willing to help with mutopia, mostly
 on some administrative things like getting some of my submissions
 in place.   Unfortunately I was delayed on a project (barn roof) until now.

That sounds like a nice project to be working on.  :-)

Thanks for the offer of help last year. Quite a number of people 
responded, and our plan was to put in place a system to allow the work 
to be distributed and co-ordinated amongst volunteers.

Unfortunately there have been some problems with the system that was 
installed (FusionForge). It is not currently in a fully usable state 
which is preventing us from making real progress.

I don't have any time to work on it now. If anyone has experience of 
FusionForge, or fancies diving into a large PHP/MySql based project to 
figure out how to make it work, then let us know.

In the meantime I am dealing with new music contributions (not doing 
very well at staying up-to-date, sorry) and Javier is helping out with 
corrections and fixes.

 Please advise what I can do as my last submission has some files
 with japanese hiragana text and I would like to see how they come
 out mutopiaproject.org

Ultimately all files end up in Git, and are compiled using latest stable 
LilyPond on my Ubuntu box (currently Ubuntu 11.04 with LilyPond 2.14.2 
from the LilyPond website).

If you want to send me an example piece I would be happy to run it 
through and send you back the PDF.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Mutopia - going forward

[Chris Sawer]

A further update :-

Getting GIT and the bug tracking system running has taken longer than 
expected, however we are aiming to have it in place for the beginning of 
September.

Once this is running I will start putting issues into it and those who 
have volunteered to help in various ways will be able to do so.

I should be able to spend a reasonable amount of time working on Mutopia 
from September until the end of the year. In January I move back to the 
UK and will have less time available. I hope by that point the new team 
will be running smoothly.

Thanks for your patience.

Regards,

Chris



On 03/07/11 23:18, Chris Sawer wrote:
 Dear all,

 Thanks for all the responses and offers of help received in response to
 my e-mail below, both on and off-list. Those who responded off-list have
 been asked to join the mailing list so hopefully everyone will see this.

 Valentin is in the process of setting up GIT and the bug tracking
 system. Once this is available I will start putting contributions and
 corrections into it.

 However that's no good if people don't know what to do with them, so I
 have compiled a list of instructions of how I update pieces in Mutopia,
 along with the scripts for doing so. They will work on Linux or Mac OS,
 java and bash are required. See:

 http://www.mutopiaproject.org/UsefulScripts/
 http://www.mutopiaproject.org/UsefulScripts/readme.html

 If you have volunteered to work on updating and/or adding new pieces to
 Mutopia please take a look at the scripts and see how they work.

 The scripts are a bit clunky but generally get the job done. I am
 planning to move all the java stuff to python, along with the website
 backend (currently in perl) so that python, bash and lilypond are the
 only prerequisites for building the website.

 Please feel free to have a play with the scripts. They should work on
 any recent Mutopia contributions, eg. search by LilyPond version for
 those using 2.14.

 Again, thanks for the offers of help, and we can hopefully get started
 on the backlog of contributions soon.

 All offers of help which this message doesn't apply to (translations,
 etc.) have been logged and I will respond in due course.

 There is also the website backend to look at; a nice lump of perl for
 some brave programmer to unravel. ;-)

 Chris


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Mutopia - going forward

[Chris Sawer]

Dear all,

Thanks for all the responses and offers of help received in response to 
my e-mail below, both on and off-list. Those who responded off-list have 
been asked to join the mailing list so hopefully everyone will see this.

Valentin is in the process of setting up GIT and the bug tracking 
system. Once this is available I will start putting contributions and 
corrections into it.

However that's no good if people don't know what to do with them, so I 
have compiled a list of instructions of how I update pieces in Mutopia, 
along with the scripts for doing so. They will work on Linux or Mac OS, 
java and bash are required. See:

http://www.mutopiaproject.org/UsefulScripts/
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/UsefulScripts/readme.html

If you have volunteered to work on updating and/or adding new pieces to 
Mutopia please take a look at the scripts and see how they work.

The scripts are a bit clunky but generally get the job done. I am 
planning to move all the java stuff to python, along with the website 
backend (currently in perl) so that python, bash and lilypond are the 
only prerequisites for building the website.

Please feel free to have a play with the scripts. They should work on 
any recent Mutopia contributions, eg. search by LilyPond version for 
those using 2.14.

Again, thanks for the offers of help, and we can hopefully get started 
on the backlog of contributions soon.

All offers of help which this message doesn't apply to (translations, 
etc.) have been logged and I will respond in due course.

There is also the website backend to look at; a nice lump of perl for 
some brave programmer to unravel.  ;-)

Chris



On 12/06/11 12:16, Chris Sawer wrote:
 Dear all,

 I am pleased to report that a plan is being put together to get Mutopia
 up-and-running again. Thanks to Valentin Villenave we are moving the
 source repository to a publicly accessible GIT server and starting a bug
 tracking system. This should allow us to divide tasks between a number
 of volunteers rather than one person having to do everything.

 The following message has been posted on the website asking for volunteers:

 Project update June 2011

 Mutopia has not been actively maintained for around a year. However a
 new team is being put together to work through the backlog and get
 Mutopia up-and-running again. Could you help us? We are looking for
 volunteers to help with the following roles:

 - Adding new contributions sent to us
 - Applying corrections to existing pieces
 - Upgrading pieces written with old LilyPond versions
 - Redeveloping website (programming)
 - Redeveloping build scripts (programming)
 - Translation of website
 - Delegating incoming e-mail (front desk)
 - Answering legal queries (English)
 - Answering general queries (English)
 - Answering queries in non-English languages
 - Maintaining projects in progress page and chasing/removing old ones

 Any help that can be offered will be appreciated. Thanks to Javier
 Ruiz-Alma who is looking at applying corrections to existing pieces.

 The backend is currently an unpleasant mixture of Perl and Java but I am
 looking to move to Python for both the website and build scripts. A
 start has already been made on this.

 I would like to apologise to all those who have contributed pieces and
 sent corrections that have not yet been added to the website. I hope we
 can work through the backlog over the next few weeks.

 I think Mutopia is still unique in offering sheet music with full source
 files that can be edited using free software. I hope we can maintain it
 as a useful resource going forward.

 Regards,

 Chris


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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Scales Arpeggios - your thoughts please

[Chris Sawer]

Mark Van den Borre wrote:
 2010/2/3 Andrew Thorne redre...@hotmail.com:
 I have just finished writing out scales and arpeggios for treble clef brass
 instruments and I wandered whether you think this is suitable for submission
 to Mutopia? I am printing the files or emailing them to pupils on a regular
 basis, so I am sure the demand is there.
[...]
 Should I just submit them?
 Yes please!

I agree with Mark, I'd love to see scales for a whole range of 
instruments on Mutopia.

Not quite sure how they will fit into the composer/style/instrument 
structure but I'll try to come up with something appropriate.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] mutopia headers

[Chris Sawer]

corallina wrote:
 I also included every header leaving  some of the headers blank like this.
 mutopiapoet =  
 I would like to hear some opinions as to whether there is a preference
 for handling these headers.
 Comment them out or leave them blank or put in something like unknown or n/a

If a header isn't relevant (eg. poet for music with no lyrics), it's 
best to leave it out.

 The more info field looks useful and I am wondering if there are any
 caveats in just dumping information into this field.

You can put information in it, and it will be displayed in a purple box 
on the piece's information page, eg:

http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=499

If there is a large amount of information on a group of pieces, then you 
can have a separate page for the collection, eg:

http://www.mutopiaproject.org/cgibin/piece-info.cgi?id=245
http://www.mutopiaproject.org/collections/mozstrq/index.html

Chris

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[Mutopia-discuss] Help with corrections

[Chris Sawer]

Hi all,

We have had quite a few people sending in corrections recently, which is
great news. The ability to correct mistakes in the archive is one of
Mutopia's main advantages over other sheet music sites.

However... many of the pieces in question were created with old versions
of LilyPond. I have several installed on various virtual machines but
often don't have the right one.

Unfortunately I am struggling to find the time to make these corrections
so am wondering if anyone would like to help? Basically the pieces in
question either need upgrading to a current LilyPond version, or an old
version of LilyPond needs to be compiled and installed (usually
non-trivial on modern machines).

Would anyone like to help out with this? The ideal would be for someone
to offer to be in charge of making corrections; they would check that
the correction is valid, and upgrade/update the files on Mutopia as
appropriate.

Chris

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] repository

[Chris Sawer]

Jay Anderson wrote:
 However a subversion-like system have some advantages. It handle complex
 file hierarchies, scheduled compilation, versioning, etc...
 
 Mutopia is stored in one large subversion already. Some versioning is
 visible to users already (eg.
 http://mutopiaproject.org/ftp/DukasP/DukasVillanelle/DukasVillanelle.log).
 I believe there are some grander plans, but I don't know what those
 might be.

Hi,

As Jay says we already use Subversion for versioning. I would like to 
provide public read-only access at some point, possibly through a 
mirrored svn server.

The main problem with a wiki-style Mutopia is the changing LilyPond 
syntax. I maintain various builds of LilyPond going back quite some time 
(including using various old flavours of Linux running on virtual 
machines) but even so, the chances of being able to recompile any given 
piece is fairly small. Trying to keep all builds available on one server 
would be very difficult.

I'm off on vacation shortly but will catch up with the discussion (and 
hopefully Mutopia contributions) when I'm back next week.

Chris

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] How active is the project these days?

[Chris Sawer]

Garrett Fitzgerald wrote:
 I just submitted the first of Cavallini's 30 Caprices to the 
 contributions address, and I just wanted to check on the current project 
 status. I see there hasn't been much activity here lately: is the site 
 being actively updated?

Hi,

The project is very active, the mailing list less so!

If you use the 'Advanced Search' page, you will discover that 76 pieces 
have been added or updated in the last four weeks.

If pieces conform to the specification on the 'How to Contribute' page, 
then they will usually be added within a day or two. Corrections 
requiring obscure LilyPond versions, and other queries, may take longer.

Chris

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