Re: What does asterisk mean against a mailbox name?

[jkinz]

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 10:32:02PM +0100, Chris G wrote:
> Here's an example of what I mean:-
> 
> -- Mutt: Directory [=Li], File mask: !^\.[^.]
> ->   ../  Apr 23 21:45   4.0K
>  alug*Apr 23 21:15   4.2K
>  digikam* Apr 23 21:1510K
>  fcmod*   Apr 23 21:1513K
>  ifcdflt  Apr 23 21:52   4.8K
>  ifcmods* Apr 23 21:2626K
>  ifcoffer Apr 23 21:44   5.0K
>  ifcwant* Apr 23 22:2625K
>  ixionApr 23 22:12   4.2K
>  mutt Apr 23 22:25   7.0K
>  vile*Apr 23 21:15   4.1K
>  xm-l Apr 23 22:15   6.5K
> 
> What do those asterisks indicate?

You have an email from a celebrity in those mailboxes.

It never fails... :) Better mailto: mutt solution..

[jkinz]

I believe I mentioned I wouldn't optimize that script I just
posted if I ran across a better solution  :-) 

Next window I opened.. 
http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=57446


#!/bin/bash

# USAGE:
#
#rename this script to XXX-newterminal to start new terminal
window
#with cmd=XXX and args=as passed (e.g., XXX=mutt)
#when cmd completes, terminal window will close.

#GEOMETRY="-geometry 120x40"
TERMINAL="x-terminal-emulator"

CMD=$(basename "$0")
CMD="${CMD%*-newterminal}"
exec $TERMINAL $GEOMETRY -e "$CMD" "$@"


 END #


Not tested yet but it looks promising

Jeff Kinz

setting firefox about:config to invoke or start mutt when clicking a mailto: link

[jkinz]

To setup firefox to invoke mutt when clicking a "mailto:"; link: 

#1 - goto the "about:config:" page in firefox by placing
 about:config in the address bar.

#2 - right click anywhere on the page and select "new" and 
 then "string"

#3 - enter the string :
  network.protocol-handler.app.mailto 
 into the new string field and click OK.

#4 - paste the string 
  network.protocol-handler.app.mailto
 into the "filter" field (at the top) 

#5 - when that single entry appears right click on the value
 entry for it and select "modify"  

#6 - enter the pathname of the script you created to run mutt in
 some kind of xterm window.  "/usr/bin/mutt" won't cut it.

 Mine is "/usr/local/bin/mailtomutt"  which is based on a
 script I found on the web somewhere (sorry I have forgotten
 who made it but I give that person credit whoever they are.)

The script is a little slow. It has 14 or so spawned processes
which could be replaced by internal Bash parameter
expansions.  Here is script I found on the web; modified to 
invoke mutt under the KDE konsole terminal app:

#!/bin/bash
MAILTO_URL="$1"

#Strip off the protocol
MAIL_DATA=$(echo "$MAILTO_URL" | /bin/sed -s 's/^mailto://')

#Get Recipient and strip it off
RECIPIENT=$(echo "$MAIL_DATA" | cut -d? -f1 -)
MAIL_DATA=$(echo "$MAIL_DATA" | /bin/sed -s s/^$RECIPIENT//)

#Get Subject,BCC, and CC
SUBJECT=$(echo "$MAIL_DATA" | /bin/sed -s 's/.*?subject=//' \
| /bin/sed -s 's/?.*//')
BCC=$(echo "$MAIL_DATA" | /bin/sed -s 's/.*?bcc=//' | /bin/sed -s 's/?.*//')
CC=$(echo "$MAIL_DATA" | /bin/sed -s 's/.*?cc=//' | /bin/sed -s 's/?.*//')

# Call mutt in a term
/usr/bin/konsole -e /usr/bin/mutt "$RECIPIENT" -b "$BCC" -c "$CC" -s "$SUBJECT"

## END 

It's very slow to pop up the mutt window, so I'm sure I'll eventually
upgrade those $( echo blah | sed ) transforms to PE expressions, unless
I come across a better solution in the meantime.

The first goal was just to get "something" working so I could
respond to ads on craigslist with a single click... :) 

Jeff Kinz.


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Re: newbie install

[jkinz]

On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 06:21:47PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote:
> 
> FWIW, the statement is correct as stated.  A statement which is
> phrased as an absolute which is not always true is false (i.e. not
> true).
> 

Derek has accumulated enough clarity points to win his pedant pendant
for the year 2009!  Congratulations Derek!  ;-) 

Derek Hey - are you going to BLU on the 18-th? I wonder if they
will anything new on Linux TCO. I need another club to swing in 
the myriad Win vs Lin engagements

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Re: sendmail?

[jkinz]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 06:55:26PM -0500, Sahil Tandon wrote:
> jk...@kinz.org wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 01:33:47PM -0500, Sahil Tandon wrote:
> > > jkinz mentioned the connecting "system"; that is to say, the connecting
> > > client.  That client needn't be the MX for the domain from which email
> > > is arriving.
> > 
> > Negative, "system" --  that is to say "domain" in this case. 
> 
> system != domain in technical discourse, so no.
> 
> > Consider yourself surprised..
> 
> Consider yourself corrected.
> 
> > email systems (domains) that don't have mx's will find themselves having
> > problems despite the fact that its not an rfc requirement. 
> 
> Truism.  That is an entirely different statement than saying (as you did 
> in your original post)

You can interpret it any way you like to make your position
correct. and you will. That petty game is played by many.

I'm mostly interested in conveying useful information.

Anyone who wants to send out their own email will find their life
better with an mx record, just like "tandon.net" has. 

its "almost" a requirement (quoting what I actually said.)






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Re: sendmail?

[jkinz]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 01:33:47PM -0500, Sahil Tandon wrote:
> jkinz mentioned the connecting "system"; that is to say, the connecting
> client.  That client needn't be the MX for the domain from which email
> is arriving.

Negative, "system" --  that is to say "domain" in this case. 

Consider yourself surprised..

email systems (domains) that don't have mx's will find themselves having
problems despite the fact that its not an rfc requirement. 

Re: sendmail?

[jkinz]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:22:08AM -0500, Sahil Tandon wrote:
> bill lam wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008, David Maus wrote:
> > > So you *could* set up such software on your box that does the
> > > delivery but you probably wouldn't be happy with this solution as some
> > > mail providers do not accept delivery attempts from dynamic ip
> > > addresses for spam prevention. 
> > 
> > More specifically, it needs a mx record in order to delivery email. I
> > don't think dynamic ip host will provide you a mx record.  If you
> > register a domain name, you can setup your own mx records, however if
> > spams were sent, it will be blacklisted.
> 
> This is false; you do not need an MX record to send or receive mail.

True, but many email systems will no longer accept email that
comes from a system/address with no valid MX record.  Yet another
spam defense technique. As a result, if you don't have an MX
record much of your mail may be rejected, so these days having an
MX record is "almost" a requirement.

Jeff Kinz
> 
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Re: sendmail?

[jkinz]

On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 04:34:03AM -0500, zirath wrote:
> Is there a way to set up mutt to send mail directly from our dynamic dsl 
> address rather than thru the provider's mail server?

Yes, there is a way. You set up Sendmail or some other MTA to
accept mail from mutt.

If that is all you do, It probably won't work.  Many ISP's block
outgoing port 25 traffic and virtually ALL isp's will
not accept incoming port 25 traffic from dynamically assigned IP
addresses. Because that is where most spam comes from..

To get around that you need to use a service like mailhop from
Dyndns.org.  Thats what I do.

I am on a dynamically assigned IP (comcast cable), and I use 
Dyndns.orgs services to give myself "real" (SMTP) in and out.
As well as using them for dynamic IP tracking so people can get 
to my web pages. (Describing my web pages as "minimal" is
overkill. :-) )

There are some annual charges but they are minimal.

Jeff Kinz


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Re: Sourcing scripts, screen flashes.

[jkinz]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 01:56:39PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
> * Ryan Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-09-10 06:32]:
> > Since I've added source lines for a couple scripts, when
> > I start up mutt, the screen flashes several times.
> > source "~/.mutt/hooks/folder.recip.sh ~/.Mail/lists/"|
> > source "~/.mutt/hooks/folder.recip.sh ~/.Mail/people/"|
> > That sort of thing.
> 
>   source filename
>   source filename|
> 
> "filename foo" is *not a filename, i suppose.

Hi Sven - I'm trying to understand what you meant by this.
I'm guessing here - but does the vertical bar have to come at the 
end of the script name ?  Not at the end of the command line ?

Or does the sourced file have to limnit itself to mutt commands?
(I assume from the .sh ending of Ryan's files that the files being
sourced are shell scripts)

Or should Ryan be trying a wrapper script to encapsulate the 
logic above ? something like :

source ~/mywrapper!

== example file "mywapper" =
#!/bin/sh
~/.mutt/hooks/folder.recip.sh ~/.Mail/lists/
~/.mutt/hooks/folder.recip.sh ~/.Mail/people/
  end file =


Sometimes even reading the manual is not sufficient.  The admirable
terseness of UNIX/Linux documentation sometimes cause gaps in
understanding which are not apparent to those who are already familiar
with the topics being examined.  I believe this is one of those times.

(I still prefer this to the "step by step robot" instructions that 
are frequently passed off as documentation by some publishers.)
("click this, now click that, select from a list. etc... ")

> 
> > Anything I can do to avoid this?
> 
> rtfm?!

Which part of the manual would explain this please ?

I'm asking because I grepped the manual and I can't find anything about
how sourcing a file would cause screen flashes.  The only other thing
I can think of would be that a command in Ryan's scripts somehow invoke
the clear/redraw screen function (^L) in mutt.


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[jkinz]

On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:10:11AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote:
> 
> "Linux" is in "evitable" ==>  "Linux is inevitable."

Yes.  Quote from John "Maddog" Hall circa 1994 Linux Lectures.
(and quite true IMHO).

Word riddles are different from a plain scrambles in that they
require leaps of logic.  Mark's answer is correct.  The diagram of
his logic (presented by the quote marks) is a little different 
from the way I would present it:  

"Linux is" in "evitable"

Here's a simple one:
mind
matter

= "Mind over matter"

Sadly now everyone with a keyboard and access to Google now knows
the answer. :)  (you fools!  Now look what you've done!) ;-)

Next time I post a riddle in my sig I'll have to put a disclaimer in it
to send answers directly to me for private verification.

But that will make my sig even longer.. :-) 

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Re: rtfm dammit

[jkinz]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 02:03:00PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-09-06 11:52]:
> > List reply ?  there's a LIST REPLY ?   Time for more RTM !
> 
> argh!

hee hee, you are SO easy to tweak! :)
> 
> > (I'm afraid Elm is still programmed into my fingers, just like vi. :)
> 
> and apparently the nine line signature
> with the trailing spaces is, too...

Actually my sig is at least ELEVEN lines, but hey, whose counting ?
( FYI - The last part of the sig has a word riddle in it)

> 
> so, fix your From+MID+sig and upgrade to mutt 1.4.
> or just go back to elm.

No Thanks, I'm happy with my from line,.  I've used it that way for almost
twenty years.

As for upgrading to a newer version of mutt - yeah - whenever I upgrade
my Linux distro I'll be happy to.  Otherwise, I have a life with more
than enough to do writing and promoting Open Source software instead of
trying to turn people off from it.

> 
> some people should stay with elm, pine, whatever so you can
> recognize and filter them by the User-Agent header line.
> them using mutt just gives a false impression... *hrmpf*
> 
> Sven  [ntiboa]

Someday Sven will realize that mutt is a tool, not a religion. (maybe.. )
(Now "where" did I put my flameproof suit / )

> 

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Re: location of signature.

[jkinz]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 01:37:20AM -0400, Paul Brannan wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:49:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Top posting sends the message "I am so much more important than all
> > several hundred of you others on this list that I don't care how much of
> > your time I waste."
> > 
> > Bottom posting says "I respect the others on this list and I will take a
> > little extra time to make sure I don't waste the time of all the hundreds
> > of others on this list."
> 
> I disagree.  While bottom posting is appropriate for most public forums
> (because discussions on these forums generally involve a point-by-point
> debate), there is a valid use for top posting.  In particular, if
> someone sends you a long email (and it is necessary and/or appropriate
> to quote the email or a large portion of it), then replying at the top
> saves the reader the time of scrolling to the bottom to find the reply.
> Generally, this situation arises in personal emails much more so than it
> does in public forums.

Two Points - first My discussion was only about posting to lists and
newsgroups, not personal emails (where anything goes, top post away:)).

Second - Even on a long email top posting is problematic for the same
reasons already given.  Thats why you have an editor.  Delete the
extraneous portions of the long email and include only the portions
being replied to.  If the result is still long then it at least has all
of the necessary context.  To do otherwise is taking the easy way out.
Which is no great sin actually.  "See the amazing egress!"

> 
> BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt
> folder?  My procmailrc searches for "^TO.*mutt-users", but mutt-users
> doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow).
> What part of the header should I be filtering on?
> 
> I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the
> post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to
> reply to the list.  Any ideas why?

List reply ?  there's a LIST REPLY ?   Time for more RTM !
(I'm afraid Elm is still programmed into my fingers, just like vi. :)

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Re: location of signature.

[jkinz]

On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 10:10:31AM +0100, Sam Bashton wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 01:37:20AM -0400, Paul Brannan wrote:
> > BTW, why did this post show up in my inbox rather than in my mutt
> > folder?  My procmailrc searches for "^TO.*mutt-users", but mutt-users
> > doesn't seem to be anywhere in the headers (unless I missed it somehow).
> > What part of the header should I be filtering on?
> > 
> > I also notice that neither list-reply nor group-reply works with the
> > post I am responding to; I had to paste mutt-users into the Cc: line to
> > reply to the list.  Any ideas why?
> 
> I had the same problem, so procmail now filters on the Return-Path: line.
> Seems to work so far at least..

I have been using :
* ^Sender.*mutt.org

And it hasn't missed any mutt emails (yet).
This puts emails from all mutt lists in the same folder.

I prefer to filter on X-List-ID but the mutt list doesn't provide this
header.


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Re: location of signature.

[jkinz]

On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 06:01:48PM -0600, Peter T. Abplanalp wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 07:49:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > As for the manner on this group, you are correct.  This group can
> > be a little rougher in its treatment of newbies than most others.
> > I'm not sure why they think they have to be but its just the select few
> > self-appointed/self-anointed ego-geek types.  Not untypical.  Don't let
> > 'em bust your chops too much.  
> 
> anyone who thinks bo's treatment was rough hasn't been on very many
> lists.  of course, the off list emails might have been the ones that
> were rough.

I think I'm referring mostly to Linux oriented lists which have topics
that tend to attract newbies.  They are not subjected to as much abuse
there I guess because most of those people feel a little bit like they
are trying to attract more people to Open Source as opposed to trying
to frighten them away. :)

Quoting Sven "Mutt is not for everyone" is an OK premise but I do
worry that the way the message is delivered has a negative affect on
how Open Source is perceived by persons who have been the recipients
of those messages.


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Re: location of signature.

[jkinz]

On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 05:00:19PM -0500, Bo Peng wrote:
> This will be my last post about this topic. I am not gonna waste more
> time on this trivial issue, even if it is important to many of you. 

Hi Bo,
One time, about, oh, twenty or so years ago I felt the same way you currently
do about top posting.  I was "gently" educated then as you are being now. :)

Over time I came to understand why bottom posting is so important.  Its
actually very simple.

When you top post to a list or newsgroup you are doing what's easy
for you.  It saves you time.  Unfortunately it causes the waste of time
for every other person on the list.  Why - because top posting removes
your response from the context you are responding to. People must spend
extra time to look for what you are responding to in order to understand
what the discussion is about. (and no, they can't just remember, they
get hundreds of emails a day.)

Top posting sends the message "I am so much more important than all
several hundred of you others on this list that I don't care how much of
your time I waste."

Bottom posting says "I respect the others on this list and I will take a
little extra time to make sure I don't waste the time of all the hundreds
of others on this list."

I realize that you may not agree with this but please understand that
it is both the official and unofficial law of most email lists and
newsgroups on the internet.  Those places that don't use it are just
full of clueless newbies like I was, (hope its a "was" :) ), that just
haven't figured out that they are needlessly wasting tons of time.

As for the manner on this group, you are correct.  This group can
be a little rougher in its treatment of newbies than most others.
I'm not sure why they think they have to be but its just the select few
self-appointed/self-anointed ego-geek types.  Not untypical.  Don't let
'em bust your chops too much.  

There will always be some folks like that around.  In this case those
folks just happen to be very knowledgeable about the issue at hand (how
to use mutt) so nobody in this list will be trying to reign in their
behavior even if it is unnecessary IMHO.

Regarding the use of bandwidth, see below

> 
> I do not know exactly how many people reply before quoted message but
> over 90% of my daily emails are in this style and I can see this kind of
> emails all over the Internet. Maybe they are all bad-mannered people,
> maybe they are all corrupted by M$, I feel quite comfortable with this
> style and will continue to use it. 
>  
> In this discussion, many replies are polite and informative but others
> are cynical and rude, even they are written in 'good style'. I can sit
> down and argue with you about compared to web, ftp, mp3, rm, how much
> bandwidth is used for emails but I decide to quit this discussion just
> because many of you are too righteous to hear about it.

People subscribe to email lists and newsgroups so anything posted to those
lists or groups is automatically delivered.  The subscribers don't get a
choice and if we do the math - 1 email times hundreds or thousands of
subscribers we can see that its a very bad idea to use anymore bandwidth than
the absolute minimum when posting.  Think of it as a broadcast.  The other
things you mentioned are individual activities initiated by the users choice so
the expenditure of bandwidth is under their control.  When you post/broadcast
you are making the choice to expend other people bandwidth without their
consent so use as little of it as you can.  Its just another application of
the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

(man, I can't believe I actually had to put that in a post :) )

And seeing how long this is I'd better stop now before I use any mor..


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Re: spam harvesting

[jkinz]

On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 04:31:54PM -0700, Will Yardley wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 11:04:21AM -0500, Aaron Goldblatt wrote:
> 
> > > an fyi so yall know it's happening, my email address used exclusively 
> > > for mutt-users and mutt-dev has been harvested for spam.  i believe i 
> > > posted to mutt-users exactly once, and never to mutt-dev.
> 
> > Unfortunately even if this list weren't archived with our email-addresses
> > intact the list could still be mined for addresses by someone who just 
> > signed up to the list and listened.
> > 
> > Unless the spammer was a total idiot there would be no way to tell them 
> > apart anybody else on the list who is just a listener.
> 
> Yes, but it's much less likely to happen... a spammer would have to go
> to a lot of effort (comparatively) to sign up for a list like this...
> and spamming a list of largely technical people would be dumb anyway.
> 
> It's much more likely for addresses to get harvested from a list
> archive, since a crawler will find them.

Hi Will, nice to hear from you.
Yes, you're quite right, a crawler harvesting from the archive is more likely
than a harvesting "listener".

My point was that in the long run it makes no difference. Even if email
addresses are obscured in the archive the spammers can still harvest from 
the list.

Some already do this although perhaps not this list yet. (We can only hope.)

I still like my "Most gratifying Solution". :)

> > My favorite for "Most gratifying solution" is to find the 
> > SOB's and  'em.
> > 
> > Unfortunately that's probably illegal.  Too bad.


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Re: Attachments MIME- or UUencoded

[jkinz]

On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 06:23:31PM -0400, Andre Berger wrote:
> * Sven Guckes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2002-08-31 18:20 -0400:
> > * Andre Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-08-31 17:50]:
> > > My PDA (Psion S3a, from 1994) understands UU- or MIME-encoded
> > > attachments. How can I send such attachments with mutt?
> > 
> > you guys from Bonndorf never seize to amaze me.
> 
> It's "Bonn", Germany
> 
> > you are not aiming to become a politican, are you?
> 
> Do you have anything useful to say?
> 
> -Andre

Hi Andre,

I'm a little confused which is not unusual.  :)

Are you running Linux on a PDA ?  

Or are you using your PDA as a Linux terminal somehow?




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Re: spam harvesting

[jkinz]

On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 11:04:21AM -0500, Aaron Goldblatt wrote:
> an fyi so yall know it's happening, my email address used exclusively 
> for mutt-users and mutt-dev has been harvested for spam.  i believe i 
> posted to mutt-users exactly once, and never to mutt-dev.
> 
Hi Aaron,
Sorry you got spammed.

Unfortunately even if this list weren't archived with our email-addresses
intact the list could still be mined for addresses by someone who just 
signed up to the list and listened.

Unless the spammer was a total idiot there would be no way to tell them 
apart anybody else on the list who is just a listener.

Since there is now way to tell the innocent from the guilty there
would is no way to stop it.

I use procmail and it stops most of the spam using RBLS lists.

There are some "relatively" new schemes out there which, if widely adopted
will actually put a virtual stop to spam.  My favorite for "best technical
solution" is called "Camram".  

http://www.camram.org

My favorite for "Most gratifying solution" is to find the 
SOB's and  'em.

Unfortunately that's probably illegal.  Too bad.

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Re: a change towards freedom (was: Outlook and "inline attachments")

[jkinz]

On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 02:34:59PM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote:
> 
> anyway, what good is it to wait to change jobs?
> if all changed jobs then they's swap one place
> with windows with another place using windows.
> the change must be within the system itself.
> and i am not only talking about operating systems..
> 
> there needs be a change towards freedom of choice.
> 
> 
> then again, i'm not sure whether giving users a
> choice will make all of them happy.  see my page
> http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/forwhom.php3
> 
> still - the bottom line is:
> if your boss is too dense to realize that he is using broken
> software then he should pay you twice as much to use it, too!
> 
> Sven  [twice as much *at least*]

Heh - that would be nice.  Of course from the employer's point of view
They are already paying us to use software thats broken and if it means
so much to us then they'll pay us half as much to use software
that not broken.  Ouch!   

The market sets the pays scales, not the value of the work done,
unfortunately.

I think that as Linux gets a bigger market share that the market will
eventually recognize its value.  However most companies are going to 
continue to use, ahem "Less Elegant" software such as Outlook and Lotus 
Notes because of the integrated groupware functions they have.

When the Linux world has a mail client with integrated groupware functions
then we will have a very strong argument for exiting from those "less 
elegant" software products.

Is anybody working on a plug-in for mutt to add this kind of thing ?

Of course knowing how much I have to learn about mutt there probably is
some obvious groupware functionality which I just don't know about. :)


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