[MLO] Does sync between mobile (Android) and desktop (Windows) work properly yet?

[Riaan Eloff]

The reason I did not get the desktop version of MLO is because while 
testing it alongside the android version, sync did not work as it should.

When I say "as it should", here's the standard expectaion:  when using 
Google Photos, Google Calendar, Google Tasks, Gmail, Box, Dropbox, Skydrive 
or Google Drive (all various different services that provide "sync" between 
multiple devices), the expected outcome is:  I changed the file/service 
here on my laptop, so, within a few seconds (or minutes, if your file is 
very large and your internet connection is very slow), I should be able to 
access that file/service from my mobile device/any other device, and it 
should be synced.  Also vice versa: changing it on a mobile device will 
sync within seconds at most (sometimes minutes, except if your mobile only 
syncs over WIFI, in which case it will autosync the moment you enter wifi). 
 This is, to me...and probably the rest ov our little planet, "normal" 
operation when considering a sync service.

Here's what I experienced with MLO:  It syncs either when it "feels" like 
it, or when you force-sync.  That's why I stopped using the desktop.  I 
would rather schlep froth just using the phone version, and workaroudn as 
best I can, than (which happened to me several times during the testing 
periods) miss tasks/loose info because I changed it on my mobile while 
standing at our reception, and then, walking to my desktop to continue 
working, and finding that the changed/updated task is not there/not 
changed/updated.

So, that was my experience around the end of 2015.  Any news if this is now 
working like a normal, expected sync:  ie:  when I change something on a 
device, it is synced within seconds (at most a minute ortwo) 
AUTOMAGICALLYnot when I force-sync?

I would so like to use the desktop version in combination with the android, 
but this non-syncing is a major deal-breaker obviously!

I am not interested in "checking" or "making sure" that my device or my 
laptop is synced every time I quickly wish to use MLO.  It should auto-do 
this.

Thanks folks.

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[MLO] MyLifeOrganized 2 for Android. Released!

[Riaan Eloff]

How do I downgrade from v2 back to my previous, paid version? I tried version 
2, great and all, but I do not wish to pay 25 dollars to upgrade to it right 
now, so I simply wish to use my old version as it was.

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Re: [MLO] MyLifeOrganized 2 for Android. Released!

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi there,

Thanks for this info.  Appreciated
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On 22 December 2015 at 13:40, Marina Afanasenko <marina.afanase...@gmail.com
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> Hi Riaan,
>
> As a registered MLO user, you have $10 discount for the upgrade, so you
> have to pay only $15. If you still wish to get back to MLO 1, just contact
> our support operators: supp...@mylifeorganized.net. They will give you
> all the information regarding this.
>
> Marina
> The MyLifeOrganized Team
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Riaan Eloff <
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>
>> How do I downgrade from v2 back to my previous, paid version? I tried
>> version 2, great and all, but I do not wish to pay 25 dollars to upgrade to
>> it right now, so I simply wish to use my old version as it was.
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Re: [MLO] Re: Soon! The release of MyLifeOrganized for Android V2

[Riaan Eloff]

November went whoosh and is now gone...lol...any update on this?

On Wednesday, 18 November 2015 12:07:08 UTC+2, Marina Afanasenko (MLO Team, 
PR Manager) wrote:
>
> Hi! 
>
> UPDATE 18th November: We are performing the last tests with data 
> migration. We want to be absolutely sure that your MyLifeOrganized tasks 
> migrated smoothly to MyLifeOrganized 2. It took a little longer than we 
> expected. But our target is still to release in November.
>
> Sinserely yours, 
> Marina,
> MLO PR manager
> On behalf of the MLO Team
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:35 AM, robert roszak  > wrote:
>
>> The same thought came to me - long awaited MLO 2.0 for Android was 
>> promised by mid-November and as far as I know mid-November has past 
>> already. Don't fail your users once more MLO team!
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 5:40:28 PM UTC+1, chrisleeuk wrote:
>>>
>>> As a daily user of MLO and an android fan, I'm excited about this 
>>> release.
>>>
>>> Hopefully soon anyway, otherwise we might be getting dangerously close 
>>> to late November. 
>>>
>>> Then again, if it goes out still full of bugs we'd all be complaining 
>>> about that, so the developers can't really win.
>>>
>>> Good luck with the release.
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[MLO] In Active by Context View, how would I remove a task from a project

[Riaan Eloff]

So folks, I'm viewing my list of tasks in the Active by Context view, and 
quickly want to add a new task.  I press the red button "NEW TASK", and it 
falls somewhere under one of the currently selected tasks.  Now it is 
associated with a project as the currently selected task was.  I want to 
simply, quickly, remove this task from that project, as it was a 
stand-alone task.  How do I do this without going to projects view, 
searching for this project, then moving the task.

What I am hoping for, is a thing similar to "dependancies" where you could 
simply say "remove from project" or "add to project".

Any ideas?

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[MLO] How do I get my dated tasks to show up in my personal calendar?

[Riaan Eloff]

If one uses Google Calendar, Outlook, Thunderbird, or any of the thousands 
of other calendar apps out there, how do I get my tasks that carry a date, 
to show up in those?  Export/Sync?

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[MLO] Re: Quickly putting a task in a specific folder

[Riaan Eloff]

Cool. Ta.

On Friday, 6 November 2015 16:53:24 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riaan. The current market version of MLO Android does not support 
> custom views. The announced version 2 is due for release in November (which 
> suggests, very soon). So Here's the procedure:
> 1. holding down the CTRL key, click on each view that you want to bring to 
> Android (i.e. multi-select them.)
> 2. let go of CTRL and right-click on one of the selected views to bring up 
> a menu
> 3. Select Export
> 4. select a folder to store the export in and give it a file name ending 
> in .mfv
> 5. Hold on to that file and wait for MLO/Android v2 to be released, then 
> follow the instructions for importing views.
> -Dwight
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 6:52:08 AM UTC-5, Riaan Eloff wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dwight,
>>
>> Just again, thanks for the step-by-step process you provided in another 
>> thread regarding the contexts and the open hours etc..  I applied it, and 
>> it seems to work.  Also, thanks for this new-view idea.  Applied it, and it 
>> works.  Only pain is:  my "Inbox" still says "Inbox", and MLO will not 
>> allow me to change that.  My oCD will keep me up at nights!  :-)
>>
>> Lastly, this "NEW" View that I now created...how does one get any new 
>> views to show up in Android?  I've synced, but, not sure how to find that?
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 15:28:17 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Riann. I agree with Nick's point but I would like to take it a 
>>> little further. Just getting your tasks out of the inbox will not end the 
>>> clutter. You will just be moving the clutter to a different place. If you 
>>> are not using folders then you will be moving the clotter to the root 
>>> level, which is not a very good place for clutter.
>>>
>>> I have heard several people say that they do not use folders; usually 
>>> that means that they have not yet figured out how they want to organize 
>>> their tasks; later on it occurs to them that they could find and manage 
>>> tasks more effectively if they were organized by some or other principle, 
>>> and then they discover folders.
>>>
>>> But if it's not time for you to reach that point, there's no benefit in 
>>> rushing to it. So for now, let's agree that you want you pending tasks to 
>>> be stored as an undifferentiated tangle. Why not, as Nick said, just keep 
>>> them in the inbox? About a third to a half of my tasks are in the inbox. 
>>> I'm guessing that the issue is that you want to be able to look at just the 
>>> new stuff and you are looking at the inbox to see the new stuff but that 
>>> it/x difficult because all the old stuff is mixed in. The answer to this is 
>>> to ask yourself, how could MLO know which stuff is new? and then build a 
>>> view that applies that rule, whatever you figured out.
>>>
>>> The point (for me) of using MLO is to get stuff done and to spend as 
>>> little time as possible arranging and maintaining tasks. So any sort of 
>>> regular routine where I am going in and moving stuff around is a drag on my 
>>> productivity and something to be avoided. I try to touch each task twice, 
>>> once when I set it up and once when I finish it. A lot of the time I am 
>>> faced with your fast entry scenario and I dont have time to set the tasks 
>>> up when I capture them, and then I go to three touches per task: capture, 
>>> setup, and completion. For me, the issue you are facing comes down to 
>>> getting a clean look at tasks that have been captured but not set up. 
>>> Here's how I handle this (there are many other equally valid approaches, 
>>> maybe you will invent a new one, and you should do whatever makes you the 
>>> most productive)
>>>
>>> When I do the setup for a task, I always add a context, based on what 
>>> event or condition is going to mean that this task is ready to be 
>>> completed. I may at that time also add dates, dependencies, importance, 
>>> goals and stars. A task that has been captured but not set up has no 
>>> context. I am careful never to get a task halfway setup - if it has a 
>>> context assigned that means that any dates, dependencies etc have also been 
>>> set up. I have a view called "new" that shows tasks with no context. The 
>>> task is sorted by modification date ascending, which means that the task 
>>> that has been sitting on this view the longest is at the top. When I get a 
>>> chance I tak

[MLO] Re: Quickly putting a task in a specific folder

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Dwight,

Just again, thanks for the step-by-step process you provided in another 
thread regarding the contexts and the open hours etc..  I applied it, and 
it seems to work.  Also, thanks for this new-view idea.  Applied it, and it 
works.  Only pain is:  my "Inbox" still says "Inbox", and MLO will not 
allow me to change that.  My oCD will keep me up at nights!  :-)

Lastly, this "NEW" View that I now created...how does one get any new views 
to show up in Android?  I've synced, but, not sure how to find that?

On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 15:28:17 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riann. I agree with Nick's point but I would like to take it a little 
> further. Just getting your tasks out of the inbox will not end the clutter. 
> You will just be moving the clutter to a different place. If you are not 
> using folders then you will be moving the clotter to the root level, which 
> is not a very good place for clutter.
>
> I have heard several people say that they do not use folders; usually that 
> means that they have not yet figured out how they want to organize their 
> tasks; later on it occurs to them that they could find and manage tasks 
> more effectively if they were organized by some or other principle, and 
> then they discover folders.
>
> But if it's not time for you to reach that point, there's no benefit in 
> rushing to it. So for now, let's agree that you want you pending tasks to 
> be stored as an undifferentiated tangle. Why not, as Nick said, just keep 
> them in the inbox? About a third to a half of my tasks are in the inbox. 
> I'm guessing that the issue is that you want to be able to look at just the 
> new stuff and you are looking at the inbox to see the new stuff but that 
> it/x difficult because all the old stuff is mixed in. The answer to this is 
> to ask yourself, how could MLO know which stuff is new? and then build a 
> view that applies that rule, whatever you figured out.
>
> The point (for me) of using MLO is to get stuff done and to spend as 
> little time as possible arranging and maintaining tasks. So any sort of 
> regular routine where I am going in and moving stuff around is a drag on my 
> productivity and something to be avoided. I try to touch each task twice, 
> once when I set it up and once when I finish it. A lot of the time I am 
> faced with your fast entry scenario and I dont have time to set the tasks 
> up when I capture them, and then I go to three touches per task: capture, 
> setup, and completion. For me, the issue you are facing comes down to 
> getting a clean look at tasks that have been captured but not set up. 
> Here's how I handle this (there are many other equally valid approaches, 
> maybe you will invent a new one, and you should do whatever makes you the 
> most productive)
>
> When I do the setup for a task, I always add a context, based on what 
> event or condition is going to mean that this task is ready to be 
> completed. I may at that time also add dates, dependencies, importance, 
> goals and stars. A task that has been captured but not set up has no 
> context. I am careful never to get a task halfway setup - if it has a 
> context assigned that means that any dates, dependencies etc have also been 
> set up. I have a view called "new" that shows tasks with no context. The 
> task is sorted by modification date ascending, which means that the task 
> that has been sitting on this view the longest is at the top. When I get a 
> chance I take the top task, assign any dates, dependencies, etc, move it to 
> a folder or project if appropriate, and finally assign a context. This is 
> my equivalent of your activation. The task instantly vanishes from the new 
> list and appears on one or more other lists when it's ready to get 
> completed.
>
> If I just opened up my inbox and looked into it, it would look cluttered. 
> But my New view and my various To-Do views are pretty much orderly.
>
> Does that help?
> -Dwight
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:00:50 PM UTC-5, Nick Clark wrote:
>>
>> If you don't use folders(?) why move them out of the Inbox. I don't know 
>> what you mean by "activate" a task, it should be active unless something 
>> like dates prevent this. You can complete them in HD Inbox.
>>
>> If you are using folders and want to move a task or even a whole tree of 
>> tasks out of the Inbox to another folder, there are several ways to do 
>> this, but I find the easiest is often Cut (ctrl-X) and Paste (ctrl-V). 
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>

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[MLO] Re: Quickly putting a task in a specific folder

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Dwight,

Thanks for this response.

I think your suggestion of a "NEW" view is the simplest solution for me. 
 Then inbox will become an unused folder (or rather an unused view), since 
I will never "view" it, I will simply do the instant-add via Android's 
widget.  It still remains an unwieldy "workaround" to me, though...since, 
often times I have contexts ready to go when entering a task on-the-fly, 
but, will only really Setup (I used the word "Process" in previous posts) 
orGTD's "Defer" at a later stage.

I agree also with the two-touch and three-touch system, which +Steve also 
refers to as you do.  This is pretty much my way of attempting to work. 
 Again, I then the "new" view is a great workaround, and I'll be using that 
for sure.

On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 15:28:17 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riann. I agree with Nick's point but I would like to take it a little 
> further. Just getting your tasks out of the inbox will not end the clutter. 
> You will just be moving the clutter to a different place. If you are not 
> using folders then you will be moving the clotter to the root level, which 
> is not a very good place for clutter.
>
> I have heard several people say that they do not use folders; usually that 
> means that they have not yet figured out how they want to organize their 
> tasks; later on it occurs to them that they could find and manage tasks 
> more effectively if they were organized by some or other principle, and 
> then they discover folders.
>
> But if it's not time for you to reach that point, there's no benefit in 
> rushing to it. So for now, let's agree that you want you pending tasks to 
> be stored as an undifferentiated tangle. Why not, as Nick said, just keep 
> them in the inbox? About a third to a half of my tasks are in the inbox. 
> I'm guessing that the issue is that you want to be able to look at just the 
> new stuff and you are looking at the inbox to see the new stuff but that 
> it/x difficult because all the old stuff is mixed in. The answer to this is 
> to ask yourself, how could MLO know which stuff is new? and then build a 
> view that applies that rule, whatever you figured out.
>
> The point (for me) of using MLO is to get stuff done and to spend as 
> little time as possible arranging and maintaining tasks. So any sort of 
> regular routine where I am going in and moving stuff around is a drag on my 
> productivity and something to be avoided. I try to touch each task twice, 
> once when I set it up and once when I finish it. A lot of the time I am 
> faced with your fast entry scenario and I dont have time to set the tasks 
> up when I capture them, and then I go to three touches per task: capture, 
> setup, and completion. For me, the issue you are facing comes down to 
> getting a clean look at tasks that have been captured but not set up. 
> Here's how I handle this (there are many other equally valid approaches, 
> maybe you will invent a new one, and you should do whatever makes you the 
> most productive)
>
> When I do the setup for a task, I always add a context, based on what 
> event or condition is going to mean that this task is ready to be 
> completed. I may at that time also add dates, dependencies, importance, 
> goals and stars. A task that has been captured but not set up has no 
> context. I am careful never to get a task halfway setup - if it has a 
> context assigned that means that any dates, dependencies etc have also been 
> set up. I have a view called "new" that shows tasks with no context. The 
> task is sorted by modification date ascending, which means that the task 
> that has been sitting on this view the longest is at the top. When I get a 
> chance I take the top task, assign any dates, dependencies, etc, move it to 
> a folder or project if appropriate, and finally assign a context. This is 
> my equivalent of your activation. The task instantly vanishes from the new 
> list and appears on one or more other lists when it's ready to get 
> completed.
>
> If I just opened up my inbox and looked into it, it would look cluttered. 
> But my New view and my various To-Do views are pretty much orderly.
>
> Does that help?
> -Dwight
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 6:00:50 PM UTC-5, Nick Clark wrote:
>>
>> If you don't use folders(?) why move them out of the Inbox. I don't know 
>> what you mean by "activate" a task, it should be active unless something 
>> like dates prevent this. You can complete them in HD Inbox.
>>
>> If you are using folders and want to move a task or even a whole tree of 
>> tasks out of the Inbox to another folder, there are several ways to do 
>> this, but I find the easiest is often Cut (ctrl-X) and Paste (ctrl-V). 
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>

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[MLO] Re: Quickly putting a task in a specific folder

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Steve, thanks for the reply.  Yes, for sure, I believe we are 
brothers-in-arms here :-)  Inbox Zero features high in my life, and I keep 
my email as clean as I can, and I would obviously like to do the same with 
my tasks in MLO.  Dwight's suggestion above, about the "NEW" view, will be 
my current workaround, BUT unfortunately, because of my OCD, I will always 
feel there's something "wrong" with the world if there's stuff in that 
inbox.  Does anyone know:  could I rename the default MLO inbox and call it 
something else, so that I may call me "NEW" view "Inbox"?  That would solve 
my OCD issue.  ;-)

On Wednesday, 4 November 2015 11:41:10 UTC+2, Steve Gledhill wrote:
>
> Riann, 
>
> First, with regard to moving things out of the inbox. You can right-click 
> (or CTRL-M) to move a task that works quite well. You can also open the 
> inbox in a new tab and drag into MLO where you like (press F3 to open the 
> tab in new window). If you do either of these with just the task in the 
> inbox then there is no outline structure in the inbox at all. Keep it flat 
> and empty and rely on your other tabs for organising.
>
> I assume you like to keep your MLO box empty for the same reason you keep 
> your email inbox and any other inboxes you have empty. I do the same and I 
> have had similar concerns about the processing time. I think that Stephen 
> and Dwight (although they seem not to understand your need for emptiness) 
> have hit on a couple of things that will help us both to achieve what we 
> want in the MLO-way:
>
> I like Dwight's idea of Capture, Setup and Complete fits in quite well 
> with GTD's Capture, Defer, Do. I particularly like the idea of No Context = 
> Not Setup. 
> Along with Stephen's point about inheriting contexts from folders I can 
> see a process that would work.
>
> I don't use contexts as much as I should because I never saw how it would 
> fit in with GTD and seemed to be an unnecessary step and I add most tasks 
> directly to the folders they belong to. However, this thread has made me 
> think again and this is how I propose to use it and it should be helpful 
> for you.
>
>
>- Create your structure outside of the inbox with inherited contexts
>- Keep your inbox as an unstructured flat list of new todos
>- Set up these todos as and when you have time. You can keep them 
>there until you have all the info you want to capture (dependencies, time, 
>effort, importance, starts etc)
>- The last thing you do is add context unless it will be moved to a 
>place where it will get these automatically
>- Move it 
>
> Your inbox will then only contain new todos or those that have not been 
> completely setup yet. In true GTD style, if you can't complete the setup 
> process for a particular task then you would still move the task out of the 
> inbox and create a new task that says: Get x info from y and update task z.
>
> I hope that helps but I understand that I could be mis-understanding what 
> you need.
> Steve 
>
> On Monday, 2 November 2015 08:50:17 UTC, Riaan Eloff wrote:
>>
>> Folks, I still have a gripe with the Inbox functionality for sure!
>>
>> It's great for getting stuff IN, but it is ridiculous for processing.  It 
>> is one massive huge schlep to get stuff OUT of the inbox, and stop the 
>> clutter.  I do not use folders.  I simply use contexts.  Projects with 
>> sub-tasks/sub-projects are a simple way to group them too.
>>
>> So, two major issues I experience:  After entering tasks into inbox (fast 
>> entry during the day as they pop into my head), when it comes to 
>> processing...I cannot simply assign/activate them.  Nope, after assiging to 
>> a context, creating a start/due date etc etc etc, I now have to go to the 
>> outline view, and physically move each and every task OUT of Inbox.  This 
>> is a HUGE hassle!  My feeling is that there should be a simple "activate" 
>> checkbox, or even simpler:  once a date/context or any change other than 
>> the simple text of the task has changed, it should AUTOMATICALLY move OUT 
>> of Inbox, as processing has taken place.
>>
>> Issue 2
>> So...I have (in the bloody inbox), now made some tasks projects, made 
>> them subtasks, have a big fat tree of tasks with dependencies etc.  I now 
>> go to the outline view, and lo-and-behold:  I cannot MOVE them OUT of inbox 
>> unless I use ALT+SHIFT+leftarrowkey  This destroys the entire tree!  It 
>> flattens the tree.  How ridiculous!?
>>
>> So, if anyone could advise where I am going wrong, please do.  This is 
>> extremely frustrating!
>>
>> On Saturday, 28 January 

Re: [MLO] Remove from Inbox

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Dwight, thanks for the reply.  I think I'm just not clear enough on what 
is bugging me  :-)

I would like to use the inbox as an actual inbox.

Firstly, as software that openly claims to be in support of the GTD method, 
the first thing one wants to do with inbox items is process them, and get 
them out of the inbox.  MLO does not allow this to be in any way 
semi-automated (eg, say I assign a context, move it out of the inbox...it 
has now been processed - or, say I assign a date/time to it, move it out of 
the inbox, since it has now been processed).  Sure, I understand what you 
are saying about completing many IN the inbox...cool...that happens here 
too, and then they are checked off an disappear from view.  I'm talking 
about the ones that will take long/are projects etc.

Secondly, ignoring GTD for a moment, and ignoring the fact that MLO is 
presented as GTD-supporting software, the absolute clutter in the inbox is 
relentless.  So, I've entered 12 tasks/ideas/thoughts/projects during the 
day.  Now, I start processing them, including sub-tasks, other new tasks 
that relate, etc etc etc, and, at the end of my review time, I sit with say 
42 items in the Inbox which will require attention over the next 
day/wek/month or even year.  So, tomorrow, I start entering new tasks again 
as I think of them, receive instructions, or get creative.  Now, at 
tomorrow's review, I have 42 already processed, sorted and ready-to-do 
items, mixed in with another 7 unprocessed items.  That's just a mess!  :-)

I reiterate, I want to use the inbox to capture ideas.  But, they cannot 
all stay mingled with each other in there, because, when I start 
processing, it takes s much time checking which have been paid 
attention to, which are new etc etc etc.  So, this is my gripe with the 
current functionality of the inbox.

Now, moving on...yes, as +robisme correctly says below...you can manually 
do this.  True.  Yet, again, the manual process is also quite wanting. 
 Let's take my example of the 42 processed item,s from before.  So, I've 
got 42 items that are either projects, sub-tasks, tasks, essentially things 
that need to be done over the coming day/week, month/year.  Now I simply 
want to move them, manually, out of the inbox, so that they don't clutter 
it.  I go to outline view, and want to move them there, out of the inbox 
into the "root" of the outline view.  So, now I have to do it one major 
task at a time.  One cannot select all and CTRL-M, neither can one select 
all and ALT+SHIFT_LeftArrow, because in both cases the hierarchy get's 
thrown away.  This is my issue with the manual method.  It throws away 
hierarchy (which I may just have spent 25 minutes creating, since things 
were all related/dependant.  So of the 24 items, say 16 are top-level 
(start of a hierarchy or and individual task), I now have to select ONLY 
the ones that are single tasks, move them.  Then I have to select each 
hierarchy tree individually, and move them one-by-one.

To be quite honest, I do actually NOT want to use folders.  I am happy to 
put everything right there in the root of outline mode.  BUT, the only way 
one can get something OUT of inbox, is to actually MOVE it with 
ALT-SHIFT-LeftArrow, which loses hierarchy no matter what you do, OR, the 
only other alternative, CTRL-M, which, at least, KEEPS hierarchy, so long 
as it is done ONE top-level item at a time.

To me, the simplest route would be - let the inbox be an inbox to gather 
things.  Once I have done anything more than just plain enter a task (ie, 
assigned a category, setup dependency, assigned a date, changed priority), 
automatically remove it from inbox, and put it in the root of outline.  OR, 
for even better functionality, allow a button/checkmark that says "ACTIVE", 
meaning:  "This task has been processed, and is ready to be done".  If 
"Active" is not a good idea, use the word "PROCESSED", indicating the same 
thing.

Does this clarify a bit more what exactly my concern here is?

On Saturday, 24 October 2015 15:13:01 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riaan.
> Different people set up their MLO outlines in very different ways, so the 
> folders can end up with very different  meanings. How would MLO know. 
> Without you telling it,  which folder sould house a project that you have 
> just set up?
>
> On the other hand,  a lot of my tasks get captured into the inbox then 
> completed and checked off within a few hours, still in the inbox,  often 
> without even having been assigned a context. The objective is to spend more 
> time getting things done and less time managing the queue. If MLO were to 
> start sending my tasks off somewhere else, i don't think that would make me 
> any more productive. 
> -Dwight 
>
> Ps in case you missed it, MLO have announced a major upgrade to MLO for 
> Android  targeted for November.
>
> On Oct 23, 2015

Re: [MLO] Re: Closed Contexts Showing Up When Task Is Also In Open Context

[Riaan Eloff]

Thanks for this Dwight.  You lost me at (NOT((Contexts contains

Ok, just kidding.  Thanks for this, will try and apply to see how well I 
get it to work.Did go through Section 5, but either skimmed to much, or 
didn't realize I'm looking the views info.  But, yes, the advanced stuff is 
missing big-time.

On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 07:01:35 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riaan. There is actually some pretty good documentation on how to 
> manage views in section 5.3 of the User's Guide. The most important part is 
> Task Filtering, section 5.3.2. Unfortunately, the documentation on Advanced 
> Filtering is sparse, and that's where the really magical stuff happens. The 
> view you are looking for is an example of a view that requires the use of 
> Advanced Filtering.
>
> I'm assuming that you are using the Active Actions view. That would be 
> good because Active Actions doen't have any Advanced Filters, so we can 
> just write the filter we need. If you want to use some other view that 
> starts out with an Advanced Filter then we would need to somehow join the 
> new rules to the old ones, which is a little more complex.
>
> Before writing the filter we need to think about what is exactly needed. I 
> believe it goes like this:
> If a task has the @Work context and also has the @Calls context, and if 
> the @Work context is currently closed, then exclude the task from the view, 
> regardless of whether the @Calls context is open.
>
> To say the same thing in formal notation, tasks would pass the filter if:
> (NOT((Contexts contains @Work) AND (Contexts contains @Calls) AND (Context 
> @Work is closed)))
> this can be simplified using boolean logic (this is just logic so far, 
> nothing to do with MLO) to
> (contexts does not contain @Calls) OR (contexts does not contain @Work) OR 
> (context contains @Work and it's open)
>
> ok, here we go.
> 1. Open MLO on Windows
> 2. Is the left panel (view properties) showing? If not, hit Alt-F1 to 
> display it.
> 3. We want the left panel to say Views at the top followed by a list of 
> availableviews. If it shows a view name at the top followed by the specs 
> for that view, then you should click on the view name once to bring up the 
> view list.
> 4. Find the view Active Actions and click on it to highlight it, them 
> click on the VIEWS title to bring up the view properties
> 5. find the Advanced section in the view properties. If it's collapsed, 
> click the twistie to expand it.
> 6. tick the checkbox for Add Advanced 
> 7. click the Setup button to bring up the Setup Advanced Filtering window
> 8. click the big blue plus sign to add a blank rule
> 9. click the first dropdown box and select "contexts"
> 10. click the second dropdown box and select "does not contain"
> 11. click the third dropdown box and select @Calls
> 12. click the fourth dropdown box and select OR
> 13. click the blue plus at the end of the line to add another rule
> 14. click the first dropdown box and select "contexts"
> 15. click the second dropdown box and select "does not contain"
> 16. click the third dropdown box and select @Work
> 17. click the fourth dropdown box and select OR
> 18. click the blue plus at the end of the line to add another rule
> 19. click the first dropdown box and select "contexts"
> 20. click the second dropdown box and select "contains (consider 
> open/closed)"
> 21. click the third dropdown box and select @Work
> 22. click the OK button at the bottom of the popup to save these rules.
> 23. At the bottom of the left panel hit Save View and type in a view name, 
> like Limited Calls
>
> Done. Now you should be able to select a view "limited calls" and see your 
> tasks, except that work calls will be hidden when work is closed.
>
> You may also want to create a new workspace, set this as the default view 
> for the workspace, and lock the workspace to this default view
>
> -Dwight
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Dwight
> MLO Betazoid on Windows, Cloud and Android SGN2
> On 10/30/2015 6:21 PM, Riaan Eloff wrote:
>
> Thanks Dwight.  I would actually love to mess around with custom views. 
>  Where could I learn more about this?  Have read the manual, it does not 
> seem to say much on the subject.  And, can they be used for Android once 
> created?
>
> On Friday, 30 October 2015 15:02:35 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote: 
>>
>> Hi, Riann. The thing about MLO is that there are usually several ways to 
>> handle each issue, and none of them are "right" or "wrong" they are just 
>> for different people. Sometimes it comes down to whether you would rather 
>> spend more time and deal with more complexity

Re: [MLO] Having trouble putting tasks into "Someday/Never", if I use Start Date a lot.

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Dwight, thanks for the reply.  Ok, so when I say "TODO", I mean the 
"TODO" icon in the left pane of MLO for windows.  It has several sub-icons: 
 Active by context, active by project, etc.  Mostly I use Active by 
Context.  Sometimes simply Active Tasks.  So, yes, that's the TODO I'm 
referring to.  So, the views I currently use are the default views with 
which MLO starts.  Please advise troubleshooting process?

On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 15:02:30 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riaan. Could you please be a little more specific about what you are 
> doing when you "go to todo list"? Do you mean that you load a particular 
> view? What view is it?
>
> Hidden tasks are excluded from the Active Actions view. If you are seeing 
> them in an unmodified Active Actions view, then we have some 
> troubleshooting to do.
>
> If you are using some other view then we need to see whether that view has 
> a (HideInToDo is False) rule in the advanced filter - this is what makes 
> the hidden tasks not appear.
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 3:49:55 AM UTC-5, Riaan Eloff wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dwight,
>>
>> I have a someday context.  I have gone into the context (F8) and selected 
>> "HIDE IN TODO LIST", yet, when going to todo list it shows up...what am I 
>> doing wrong?
>>
>>

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[MLO] Re: Quickly putting a task in a specific folder

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Nick.

I want to move them out of the inbox, because the inbox gets cluttered. 
 Tomorrow, when I review (wanting to process all new tasks that I gathered 
into the inbox today), I have a hierarchy of many, many, many tasks, which 
are all already processed and lined up for doing at specific times or under 
certain contexts etc, and they are mixed in with all the new tasks I just 
entered on-the-fly.  This makes processing an extremely hairy time.  Very 
tough.  I want to use inbox ONLY to capture new tasks.  Once I process them 
(assign to a date/assign to a context/setup the project hierarchy etc), I 
do not want them showing in the inbox.  The quick once-off-ers (the 
two-minute stuff), are fine in inbox, cause they get done right there and 
then, and are checked as done and are gone.  The processed stuff is what 
gets messy.

I don't really want to use folders.  I use the "root" of the Outline mode 
in fact to simply place all active tasks that should not be in inbox.  So, 
I just want the task out of inbox, but still be an active task showing up 
in Active by...or any other relevant view.

In terms of moving with CTRL+M, yes, one can do this, and it's a great 
alternative at the moment.  Problem is:  you cannot move all 40/50 items 
that you just processed out of the inbox in one fluid motion, because that 
will then destroy (loose/ignore), the hierarchy which was just setup during 
review time.  Thus, one has to go to every hierarchy tree, and move it 
one-by-one...another unduly tedious task.

Due to this way of working, I have been forced to use folders.  I have a 
"Processed" folder, into which I move everything as I process it.

On Tuesday, 3 November 2015 01:00:50 UTC+2, Nick Clark wrote:
>
> If you don't use folders(?) why move them out of the Inbox. I don't know 
> what you mean by "activate" a task, it should be active unless something 
> like dates prevent this. You can complete them in HD Inbox.
>
> If you are using folders and want to move a task or even a whole tree of 
> tasks out of the Inbox to another folder, there are several ways to do 
> this, but I find the easiest is often Cut (ctrl-X) and Paste (ctrl-V). 
>
> Nick
>
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: Closed Contexts Showing Up When Task Is Also In Open Context

[Riaan Eloff]

Thanks Dwight.  I would actually love to mess around with custom views. 
 Where could I learn more about this?  Have read the manual, it does not 
seem to say much on the subject.  And, can they be used for Android once 
created?

On Friday, 30 October 2015 15:02:35 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, Riann. The thing about MLO is that there are usually several ways to 
> handle each issue, and none of them are "right" or "wrong" they are just 
> for different people. Sometimes it comes down to whether you would rather 
> spend more time and deal with more complexity to craft a solution that 
> exactly matches up with the way you work, or do something that is a lot 
> easier and simpler and comes close to how you work.
>
> Nick's solution is the simple one in this case. You have to change the way 
> you work to tag every call as to whether it's personal or work, and then it 
> works. 
>
> If you wanted to go for the crafted solution in this case, you would 
> create a custom view that's just like the view you are using now, but with 
> a filter added to say, basically, that if a task has both "calls" and 
> "work" contexts, it is to be displayed only during the hours when "work" is 
> open. Then you can go back to tagging tasks "work" if they are for work and 
> "calls" if they are calls and MLO will know what to do if they are both. 
> It's not hard when you know how, but it involves a plunge into the complex, 
> fiddly but incredibly powerful advanced filtering setup. Would you like to 
> try this? Let me know and I will step you through it.
> -Dwight
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2015 at 5:42:30 AM UTC-4, Riaan Eloff wrote:
>>
>> Thnx
>> On Oct 30, 2015 10:25 AM, "Nick Clark" <nick.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The task shows because you have included an active context in it. I 
>>> think the only way to prevent this is to have two contexts, "Personal 
>>> Calls" and "Work Calls" and set the active times appropriately. You may be 
>>> able to include these within the context "Calls" to see the whole picture 
>>> when both are active, but i'd need to experiment a bit to see the effect.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [MLO] Having trouble putting tasks into "Someday/Never", if I use Start Date a lot.

[Riaan Eloff]

Hi Dwight,

I have a someday context.  I have gone into the context (F8) and selected 
"HIDE IN TODO LIST", yet, when going to todo list it shows up...what am I 
doing wrong?

On Wednesday, 11 March 2015 00:24:46 UTC+2, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>
> Hi, John.
>
>  
>
> I’m going to assume that this is for Windows, ok?
>
>  
>
> Go to the all tasks view, zoom in to the Someday/Never folder, save the 
> current view as Someday, and assign it to a tab.
>
>  
>
> When you open an MLO session start by clicking the Someday tab then hit F3 
> to create a helper window showing the contents of the Someday folder. You 
> can minimize it if you like. Notice that “Someday” now shows up as a 
> separate item in your taskbar.
>
>  
>
> Back to the main window – switch to whatever other tab you want to use to 
> do your work. When you encounter a task that needs to go to “someday”, 
> click and drag the task(s) to the taskbar, and hover over the “someday” 
> item. The someday window will open. Continue dragging the task(s) to the 
> someday window and drop them there. If you had a someday context assigned 
> to the folder itself and you have the settings set correctly, the tasks 
> will inherit the someday context.
>
>  
>
> Done.
>
> -Dwight
>
>  
>
> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> mylifeo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *John Smith
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 4:46 PM
> *To:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [MLO] Having trouble putting tasks into "Someday/Never", if I 
> use Start Date a lot.
>
>  
>
> Hi 
>
>  
>
> I'm having trouble putting things into (and out of) Someday/Never.
>
>  
>
> Background
>
> I've made my "Someday/Never" file a folder, which for which I have ticked 
> "Hide Branch in To-Do". This means that it doesn't appear in my Active 
> tasks views - all good so far.
>
> I am also putting more an more stuff into the future using Start Date 
> (e.g. if someone hasnt got back to me in say 5 days, then give chase). This 
> works fine so long as I live mostly in the Active Tasks view, however if I 
> move to All Task view, then things become irritatingly cluttered up with 
> stuff I definitely don't want to see yet !  
>
>
> So the problem is that if I want to move a task into my Someday/Never 
> folder, the only way I even see this folder is to go to the "All Tasks" 
> view. But that view is now is horribly cluttered up with future stuff. And 
> because I am moving task up around with mostly with hotkeys (e.g. 
> Shift/Alt/arrow-key), all these things for the future a mighty pain.
>
>  
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>  
>
> J
>
>  
>
>  
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[MLO] Re: Quickly putting a task in a specific folder

[Riaan Eloff]

Folks, I still have a gripe with the Inbox functionality for sure!

It's great for getting stuff IN, but it is ridiculous for processing.  It 
is one massive huge schlep to get stuff OUT of the inbox, and stop the 
clutter.  I do not use folders.  I simply use contexts.  Projects with 
sub-tasks/sub-projects are a simple way to group them too.

So, two major issues I experience:  After entering tasks into inbox (fast 
entry during the day as they pop into my head), when it comes to 
processing...I cannot simply assign/activate them.  Nope, after assiging to 
a context, creating a start/due date etc etc etc, I now have to go to the 
outline view, and physically move each and every task OUT of Inbox.  This 
is a HUGE hassle!  My feeling is that there should be a simple "activate" 
checkbox, or even simpler:  once a date/context or any change other than 
the simple text of the task has changed, it should AUTOMATICALLY move OUT 
of Inbox, as processing has taken place.

Issue 2
So...I have (in the bloody inbox), now made some tasks projects, made them 
subtasks, have a big fat tree of tasks with dependencies etc.  I now go to 
the outline view, and lo-and-behold:  I cannot MOVE them OUT of inbox 
unless I use ALT+SHIFT+leftarrowkey  This destroys the entire tree!  It 
flattens the tree.  How ridiculous!?

So, if anyone could advise where I am going wrong, please do.  This is 
extremely frustrating!

On Saturday, 28 January 2012 04:02:21 UTC+2, Ram Rachum wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I want to have a keyboard shortcut for putting the currently-selected task 
> in a specific folder.
>
> For example, every time I press Ctrl-Alt-W I want MLO to put the selected 
> task in my Work folder.
>
> Can that be accomplished with MLO?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ram.
>

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Re: [MLO] Re: Closed Contexts Showing Up When Task Is Also In Open Context

[Riaan Eloff]

Thnx
On Oct 30, 2015 10:25 AM, "Nick Clark"  wrote:

> The task shows because you have included an active context in it. I think
> the only way to prevent this is to have two contexts, "Personal Calls" and
> "Work Calls" and set the active times appropriately. You may be able to
> include these within the context "Calls" to see the whole picture when both
> are active, but i'd need to experiment a bit to see the effect.
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[MLO] Re: Newbie question: How well would MLO match my requirements? (list provided)

[Riaan Eloff]

Joel, who are the competitors for MLO?  And do they compare?  I ask this 
because I am where John is...VERY DESPERATE, TRIED MANY - my situation is 
also one of:  there's nothing else even close out there, so I'll have to 
settle for MLO.  Don't mistake this to mean it is bad.  It does have 
EXTREMELY handy functions and comes so close to being exactly what the GTD 
method requires.  But, I am also at:  wayyy too fiddley and messy and 
invoplved to learn.  SO, please suggest any others, I'd love to try them 
out before buybing Pro.

To comment on support:  I mailed support with three questions.

The first question was "How would it affect me if I had the PRO version of 
Android vs the FREE version of Desktop, considering Cloudsync needs to 
synce between them, and they have different levels of functionality (ie: 
 dependencies, recurrence, etc etc etc)".  Bear in mind, I had downloaded 
Android version, purchased pro.  Their respondes:  "There is no free 
version of desktop, and please read on the website the differences between 
Standard and Pro". MY GOODNESS!!! WHAT AN IDIOTIC RESPONSE!?!?  I have 
already read the differences, THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING.  Second, they do not 
go ahead and answer the question, they just remain with:  there is no free 
one.  Obviously I must be on a "free trial" version.  This response just 
seems like some lazy, not-feeling-like-doing-any-work response?!

Second question was: "I have a context:  Work, with open and closed hours, 
then I have a context:  Calls, with no hours, as I often use this for 
personal call to-dos also.  When including a work-call in both these 
contexts, it shows up the whole weekend.  How do I solve this?".  Their 
response:  Ask the users on the forum. (Nicer words, very "PC", but that's 
what they said.  Ask the users on the forum.

Third question:  "Am I able to disable ONLY location-based reminders on 
Android?  I want to have reminders active, but I do NOT want location based 
active.  There is only an option for "enable/disable reminders", but this 
is for all reminders".   No response as yet.  Fair enough, it's only been 
two days, and they were quite quick on the other two.  But...ynot 
the greatest experience.

On Saturday, 29 November 2014 22:50:29 UTC+2, Joel Azaria wrote:
>
> With all due respect to you Dwight (and I do respect your tenacity and 
> contributions here), I'd posit that you are precisely the " early 
> adopters are happy to tolerate lots of complexity and difficulties of use" 
> John refers to.  
>
> If you would look past that horizon you would see tremendous sense in what 
> he's saying about mainstream users.  In fact he's said pretty much the same 
> as I have many times past (though perhaps more eloquently than I've ever 
> managed to muddle through my frustrations and anger.)
>
> I also suspect that as a beta tester your perception of being a "regular" 
> user is somewhat skewed.  In particular your view of how effective the 
> feedback loop to the devs is.  Frankly it's way to invovled for an average 
> user to bother navigating.  As an ex-IT pro and one still involved in 
> technology for a living I think I rate above the average user and I too am 
> frustrated by the feedback loop to the point that I won't bother engaging 
> with it.  I think that's a very important point for Andrey and co. to take 
> from this though who can tell if they'll find reason to bother.
>
> @Andrey - if you do take time to read this post, reread John Smith's post 
> above many times.  In particular pay close attention to the parts about 
> momentum and the rate's at which MLO competitors are growing/gaining 
> visilbility and ask yourself why exactly it is that even with the major 
> rewrite that was MLO 4 why there's still no momentum gain and this product, 
> as fine as it is on a TECHNICAL level, remains an also-ran on the 
> Productivity/GTD playing field.
>
> Joel.
>
>
> On Friday, November 28, 2014 5:26:06 PM UTC-5, Dwight Arthur wrote:
>>
>> Hi, John. My answers are a little different from Joel's. 
>>
>> Just to get it out of the way, I will start with #12. I'd like to break 
>> it into three parts: Listening to users and being guided by user requests, 
>> quick turnaround on requested enhancements, and communicating plans and 
>> status back to users.
>>
>> In my opinion (others may disagree) a substantial amount of the 
>> development of MLO since I got involved with it a few years ago has been 
>> based on, and guided by user requests. There are some long-standing 
>> requests that have not been addressed but I do believe that the development 
>> team deserves credit for giving serious consideration to user requests.
>>
>> MLO seems to have a longer development cycle than many other apps. I 
>> won't speculate as to why, but I will say that it's not uncommon for the 
>> time between releases to be quite long, and for users to become quite 
>> impatient with the wait for features that have been promised but not yet 
>> 

[MLO] Re: Closed Contexts Showing Up When Task Is Also In Open Context

[Riaan Eloff]

Folks, I have a related problem:

I have a context, say "Work".  The open hours are set to Mon-Fri 08:00 - 
17:00.  I have a task there to contact a certain person about a certain 
issue.

I also have a context "Calls".  Obviously, since the task I mentioned above 
will be relevant when I am able to make phone calls, I include it in this 
context also.  Yet, personal calls are also included in this context, so 
this context is not limited to working hours.

Yet, now, this phone call shows up the whole weekend, while I am OUTSIDE 
the open hours of WORK.  How does one resolve this in a multiple context 
scenario?

Thnx

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[MLO] Remove from Inbox

[Riaan Eloff]

I created my first task in Android.  Made it a project, created subtasks, 
contexted it etc etc etc.  What concerns me is that the project & tasks 
still show in INBOX.  Should INBOX not simply be for capturing"everything", 
but, once you've processed, should it not remove itself from Inbox and go 
somewhere else, before being checked off?

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[MLO] Re: Android: How do I make a task active?

[Riaan Eloff]

scoobie, you said it!  I was at the point of simply deleting it from my 
device and my desktop, and NOT purchasing it.  Since I'm a bit of a techie 
geek and love troubleshooting stuff, I decided to give it one more try 
before removing, and came here.  I can imagine my wife taking one try, then 
simply removing it because it is extremely user-unfriendly.

On Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:34:10 UTC+2, scoobie wrote:
>
> This is a good example of how MLO isn't intuitive enough for first 
> time users, you must be loosing sales due to this - people who try it 
> out then abandon it as its too complicated 
>
> On Oct 30, 4:41 am, Empire Builder  wrote: 
> > You need to enter "move" mode and drag the task to some other folder. 
> >  Yeah, it's sort of a pain.  Sometimes I leave the tasks in the inbox; 
> you 
> > can filter by context to see the tasks that don't have a context.

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[MLO] Re: Android: How do I make a task active?

[Riaan Eloff]

Rob, I must agree with you.  I tried MLO months (maybe a year or two?) ago, 
and simply moved on.  Been using GTasks since.  Yet, the one thing missing 
from Gtasks (which is an extremely simply interface for Google's Tasks, and 
auto-syncs effortlessly with Google) is the whole idea of "Next Task". 
 This is quite literally the only thing that I miss, and, these past few 
weeks I started searching once again for something along those lines.  Came 
across MLO, didn't even look at it, remembering my past experience.  Then, 
while looking specifically for GTD hierarchial task lists, it popped up 
again, and I noted the "NEXT ACTION" feature.

I installed it, tried it again, and gave up again.

Because I didn't find anything else yet, and because I'm a bit of a 
troubleshooter/techie geek, I decided to try and dig deeper, but, your 
experience is mine too.  It is waay too over complicated and unwieldy to 
qualify as a GTD app.  It is super powerful, but it lacks simplicity for 
those who want to do GTD (which holds that the tools SHOULD NOT get in the 
way).  Yet, currently, I am desperate enough that I will try and learn 
this, so that hopefully, after qualifying in my Doctorate Degree of MLO, I 
would actually be able to use it transparently :-)  But for sure, it needs 
simplicity, with the super power as additional/optional 
activatable/user-selectable features.

On Tuesday, 1 November 2011 09:48:35 UTC+2, Rob wrote:
>
> Thanks again, your tip did make it possible for me to use Active by 
> Context (which didn't work until I unhid the inbox). I guess first 
> off, I should clarify that I don't have the desktop version, so there 
> might be some things you've mentioned that I'm missing out on. 
>
> It seems like most of the people here have been using MLO long enough 
> that it's very difficult for them to appreciate the potential problems 
> a new user might run into. And even once they have been made aware of 
> the problems, they choose to dismiss the problems as indicators of 
> MLO's sheer awesomeness. Well, here I am, and I'm doing my best to 
> inform you of all my difficulties as I encounter them. 
>
> I do appreciate the other more advanced workflows that people use for 
> adding as many layers of organization as desired. MLO is promoted 
> first and foremost as a GTD tool, so I'm just coming from the 
> perspective of the other GTD tools I've tried--namely, that the tool 
> should permit you to rapidly do as much or as little organization as 
> desired, then get out of the way. 
>
> To answer your question about where a task would go after it's been 
> processed, I've already made one suggestion--a catch-all "Active 
> Tasks" folder. Or maybe it would be called "Unassigned Tasks." Or it 
> could be configurable. The name doesn't really matter; only that it's 
> not the Inbox, because the Inbox should not contain items that have 
> already been processed. If I could really have my way, I would just 
> rename the current inbox folder in the outline to "Unassigned." Then 
> the actual Inbox would simply be the holding area for quickly-added 
> items _before_ they go into the outline (and the Inbox itself would 
> not need to be shown in the outline). 
>
> As I mentioned in the other thread, there's nothing that would stop 
> you from organizing your tasks as you do now; but just to be safe, I 
> did suggest that the "remove from inbox after processing" feature be 
> an option that can be configured from the main program settings (or 
> elsewhere, as appropriate). There are other ways to implement the 
> feature, as well--such as having a combobox at the top of the inbox 
> that lets you select the parent folder for the next task(s) you are 
> about to process, or just letting you select the parent folder/task 
> from the Edit Task screen. (Personally, I found it very confusing that 
> I couldn't set the parent folder/task from the Edit Task screen.) 
>
> But getting back on topic, the only difference between the simplest 
> implementation and the current behavior would be that new users like 
> myself would have a much easier time picking up the app and using it 
> without having to put their evaluation on hold while jumping through 
> hoops--i.e, register on the discussion board, post questions, and hope 
> someone from the community has a really great workaround. Other people 
> I know would have tried it, assumed it was broken, and moved onto the 
> next tool. I myself lost a lot of my enthusiasm for MLO while I was 
> waiting for answers, and the first few that I got were good 
> workarounds but also gave me the impression that MLO was going to be a 
> hassle to use. I'm warming up to it again, but at this point I still 
> can't say whether this is the tool I'm going to stick with. Users who 
> are new to MLO should be able to start using it without having to 
> learn all of its idiosyncrasies. 
>
> A few final comments that might help other new users: it wasn't clear 
> to me from the start 

[MLO] Re: Context Hours

[Riaan Eloff]

I agree with what Dwight is saying.  Many of my contexts also share similar 
hours, and I would like to simply copy them across, or, even link them to 
each other.

On Wednesday, 5 January 2011 17:09:06 UTC+2, Dwight wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm working on how I will use open/closed hours for contexts. I 
> have difficulty with a couple of things and thought maybe some of you 
> would have suggestions: 
>  - the user interface for setting the hours is kind of difficult for 
> me to use, requiring two-handed manipulation of my laptop's trackpad. 
> I see that MLO can read the result back to me in text form, would it 
> be useful to anyone besides me to be able to *enter* the hours in text 
> form? My ideal would be a control like the one that's used to control 
> recurrence where I would be able to say something like "weekdays 
> 9am-5pm" or "the second saturday of every month" or "every third day" 
>  - I feel like there should be some coordination of hours across 
> contexts. For example, I have a @computer context which includes a 
> +web context. Any time I adjust the hours for @computer I have to 
> separately adjust the hours for +web. Do you have this issue and what 
> do you do about it? My ideal would be that I define +web as inheriting 
> the schedule of @computer. As an alternative it would be nice if I 
> could -copy- the revised schedule of @computer and -paste- it to +web. 
> This would be easier if MLO accepted text entries for context 
> schedule. 
>  - like a few others that have posted to the list, I find that my 
> schedule can be somewhat variable, and sometimes I have access to a 
> resource at a time its context is scheduled closed and vice versa. I 
> typically handle this by clicking on the "include closed" box, however 
> this also brings in lots of other contexts that are scheduled to be 
> closed and are in fact closed. I can filter for just the context in 
> question but I can no longer easily compare tasks across multiple 
> *open* contexts and make a good decision about which one to do next. I 
> saw a suggestion about configuring contexts as "always open" or 
> "always closed" and scheduling a repeating reminder to flip it open or 
> flip it closed. This would be good for cases where I have little 
> ability to predict the actual schedule for a resource. In cases where 
> I can predict a schedule that's generally right with occasional 
> exceptions, this would cause the schedule to be lost whenever there's 
> an exception. Ideally I'd like to enter an override that would say 
> "@computer is open until 1AM" or @errands is closed today" and have 
> this override vanish when it expires. 
>
> In addition to these issues I'd love to hear from anyone else who has 
> found a way to make context schedules better match the availability of 
> real-world resources. 
>
> Thanks, 
> -Dwight 
>
>

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