Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 11/6/05, mos wrote: Sure but if people have commercial applications that use InnoDb, then what? Is there a surprise tax waiting for them next year? Nothing changes for the licenses you already have. If you have an application that is both incompatible with the GPL and depends on InnoDB and you want to buy new licenses you might find them more expensive or unavailable. If Oracle is that much in favor of continuing the InnoDb contract with MySQL, why didn't they pre-announce it saying the terms and conditions would be the same as before. Or are they going to change the contract so they collect $500 or even $1000 extra for every commercial application that is distributed with InnoDb? If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? An upgrade to PostgreSQL? Even if Oracle wants to shut that down and buys RedHat, Fujitsu, NTT, EnterpiseDB, Pervasive etc., it is still BSD licensed :) Nothing has changed. You had a single-vendor solution where the vendor could do with their prices what it wanted to do. You have a single-vendor solution where the vendor can do with their prices what it needs to do. It's a lot like seeing a neighboring army surround your oil fields and then hear them say, No cause for alarm! We're here to help you improve your pumping efficiencies!. You just have to wonder how sincere are they? Should I trust Larry Ellison with the deed to my house? I can't help but smile by the thought of Larry Ellison becoming an Open Source convert who does not want to license InnoDB to MySQL at all but just releases the next version as GPL-only. If you buy a share you can go ask him himself during the next shareholder event :) Jochem
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 5 Nov 2005, at 03:47, Ezra Taylor wrote: They will crush anyone that gets in there way. Well, if recent events are any indication, Oracle's approach to 'crushing' the opposition is to give them very large amounts of money. If that's being crushed, I'm up for it. Marcus -- Marcus Bointon Synchromedia Limited: Putting you in the picture [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.synchromedia.co.uk -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
At 08:33 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. Sure but if people have commercial applications that use InnoDb, then what? Is there a surprise tax waiting for them next year? The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html From the website: InnoDB's contractual relationship with MySQL comes up for renewal next year. Oracle fully expects to negotiate an extension of that relationship. Terms of the transaction were not disclosed. It seems to me Oracle now has MySQL AB by the short and curlies. bg Negotiating a fair contract renewal could be painful under these conditions, don't you think? If Oracle is that much in favor of continuing the InnoDb contract with MySQL, why didn't they pre-announce it saying the terms and conditions would be the same as before. Or are they going to change the contract so they collect $500 or even $1000 extra for every commercial application that is distributed with InnoDb? If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. And did he say at what cost to the MySQL developers? It never struck me that Larry Ellison was a humanitarian who wanted a competitor to succeed. (Did Larry hit his head?vbg) Did Oracle give you any reason as to why they wanted to buy InnoDb? Are they going to be replacing Oracle's row locking with InnoDb? If they're not going to be using InnoDb, why buy it? This is looking more like a preemptive strike against MySQL. In which case, why would they honor the next contract? It's a lot like seeing a neighboring army surround your oil fields and then hear them say, No cause for alarm! We're here to help you improve your pumping efficiencies!. You just have to wonder how sincere are they? Should I trust Larry Ellison with the deed to my house? Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
At 08:59 PM 11/4/2005, you wrote: At 21:49 -0500 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra Ezra, Your basis for claiming that Heikki is the enemy is ... what? I think that is all tongue in cheek. If Heikki can retire on a beach some place for the rest of his life, then I'm all for it. I just would like to see Oracle state what will be in the next agreement with MySQL AB so programmers don't have this foreboding fear that the giant is coming to town to wreck havoc on the villagers. Mike (already building torches and catapults to keep the monster at bay) On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul DuBois, MySQL Documentation Team Madison, Wisconsin, USA MySQL AB, www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 16:45 -0600, mos wrote: If this happens, what alternative will MySQL be offering their users who need transactions and RI? The GPLed version of InnoDB? -- Jasper Bryant-Greene General Manager Album Limited e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.album.co.nz/ b: http://jbg.name/ p: 0800 4 ALBUM (0800 425 286) or +64 21 232 3303 a: PO Box 579, Christchurch 8015, New Zealand -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 11/5/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us I think InnoDB/Oracle is going to meet all their obligations to their paying customers, licensers and licensees. If there is a mismatch between what you consider 'fair' and the actual obligations of InnoDB/Oracle you have not done your homework before choosing a database and I hope it will be a valuable lesson. Jochem
RE: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
-Original Message- From: Fabricio Mota [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: zaterdag 5 november 2005 3:56 To: Ezra Taylor Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Subject: RES: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that ex- pects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor Is there anyone who can shed some light on this without the anti-Orcacle hysteronics? What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out, is still a pertinent question. Thanks, - Mark -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
On 11/5/05, Mark wrote: Is there anyone who can shed some light on this without the anti-Orcacle hysteronics? No. Those who know have to go through proper channels. Oracle is a public company and the disclosure of its future actions has to go through proper channels or it will incur the wrath of the SEC. This mailinglist is not a proper channel, so all you will get here are links to the official press release and a rehash of previous speculation. (Rehashes are rarely better then the original, so if you care for the quality of the speculation the archive of this list is a good place to start.) Jochem
Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out in 2006???
Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? TIA Mike -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
There is always Postgres if you're that paranoid ;-) --Harry Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RES: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
There are several opinions... I would like to forecast the real intentions of Oracle... FM -Mensagem original- De: Ezra Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviada em: sexta-feira, 4 de novembro de 2005 23:46 Cc: mysql@lists.mysql.com Assunto: Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
At 21:49 -0500 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra Ezra, Your basis for claiming that Heikki is the enemy is ... what? On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul DuBois, MySQL Documentation Team Madison, Wisconsin, USA MySQL AB, www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out
Relax Paul: If you noticed it put the words Haha Haha at the end of my statement. Anyway, as I said, Oracle is out to make money. They will crush anyone that gets in there way. Ezra On 11/4/05, Paul DuBois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 21:49 -0500 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor wrote: Last one people: I just realized that Heikki is monitoring our post pertaining to innodb. This guy/gal is an oracle employee. The enemy is amongst us. Beware. Haha Haha Ezra Ezra, Your basis for claiming that Heikki is the enemy is ... what? On 11/4/05, Ezra Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Mysql users: Just to remind you all, Oracle is a business that expects to make money. As you all know, Mysql is a threat to the fat cats such as Oracle,DB2,MSSql and others. If you think Oracle is going to play fair with us then you will believe that crack will one day be a multi vitamin. For those you that don't know what crack is, it's a drug that will fuck your life up. Ezra Taylor On 11/4/05, Heikki Tuuri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, - Original Message - From: mos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: mailing.database.myodbc Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:11 AM Subject: Heikki: What will become of InnoDb once MySQL license runs out Heikki, I am about to start a large MySQL project that requires transactions and I need to know if InnoDb will be around for MySQL after MySQL's license for InnoDb runs out in 2006. the current GPL version of MySQL/InnoDB will of course be available then by the very nature of the GPL license. The MySQL AB - Innobase Oy OEM agreement is about commercial non-GPL MySQL/InnoDB licenses. About that agreement I want to refer to the official press release of Oracle Corporation: http://www.oracle.com/innodb/index.html If yes, will you still be supporting it or will it be up to MySQL AB? I want to refer to the official press release where Charles Rozwat, Oracle's Executive Vice President in charge of Database and Middleware Technology says: Oracle intends to continue developing the InnoDB technology and expand our commitment to open source software. TIA Mike Regards, Heikki Tuuri Vice President, server technology Oracle Corporation -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe: http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Paul DuBois, MySQL Documentation Team Madison, Wisconsin, USA MySQL AB, www.mysql.com -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
