Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 14:45, Darney Lampert wrote: Sorry continue this subject ... I´m the author original question, LEGAL information about MySQL. But I Think that my question is simple and the other answers do not make sense to me. I never said that I change original MySQL source code, and I just want know if I can use MySQL database on my comercial application without pay for it. My application ONLY access MySQL. Our basic answer is No. If you ship MySQL (server or client) with a commercial (non opensource) application you should pay. I develop a program with Delphi with access MySQL database. I'll sell my program, and ONLY give a copy of MySQL to the users, or indicate the place to download to them. Does my client need to pay a license to MySQL AB? Not, it actually you who need to pay in this case. Or you can distribute with source code (just like we do!). Other case: I develop a web-site with PHP wich access MySQL database to a client who paid for it. The users do not need to install MySQL. Does anybody need to pay something? Who? (Remember that my Web Server just run PHP and MySQL, wich are free. My site (wich is paid) uses the services provided by the web-server) In this case there is not distribution so no fee is needed. We would like to be paid in this case also but there is legal requirement for a license if you do not distribute. But we would like every one who uses MySQL for commercial services to pay for support! In this case, does my client, the web-server or I need to pay a license to MySQL AB? No, as explained above. The GPL kicks in when you *distribute* and then you can either distribute all (including your) source code or buy a commercial license from us. Please, just wellfounded answers, not personal opinions. I am the licensing guru for MySQL AB and one of the founders. /David MySQL Co-Founder Thanks At 15:51 30/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hello. I do not intent to follow-up on the issue, as you are either trolling or clueless (and not willing to inform yourself) or both. On Sat 2002-11-30 at 08:30:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like all against I see are coming from MySQL team. But I want to prevent a misconception: I am in no way affiliated to MySQL AB than being an user of their software. Bye, Benjamin. Darney Lampert Sky Informática Ltda - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Look! I already unsubscribed this. Do you understand what that mean? I have no interest to dealing with MySQL and have no time for this. You must understand that this thread was started from someone who were interested to sell his/her product that utilize MySQL. And I was trying to help both sides. One who is creating an innovative products as well as MySQL. Do you know how both sides get benefits? Actually, MySQL should appreciate them. Those folks actually help your business by moving your products. Also, you MUST understand that if one product provides the persistence service that only comes with JDBC/JDO/or similar functionality. So the product can adopt any back-end DBMS, for example, and leaving the choice of DBMS to thier customers. They will more than likely go with the *reliable* DBMS. In case the customers somehow select MySQL for thier DBMS solution, to wit, if they download and use it. You are out of luck! 1) The Product innovation group did not distributed; Their customers download it. 2) In their own license, they can declare own rights. Still want to chase them, it's your choice(I don't know what you are going to after for, but it will be your choice as well to spend the time and your own expenses.) Last, by no means least, put me out of this. I am no longer interesting to waste my time with MySQL. I already seen enough and got sense of attitudes from MySQL. Pae P.S.: If your intention was for commercializtion from the beginning, you should started with .com, not .org -- I can see your sly marketing strategy. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
-Original Message- From: David Axmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] In this case there is not distribution so no fee is needed. We would like to be paid in this case also but there is legal requirement for a license if you do not distribute. Missing 'no'? - rick cronan - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
- Original Message - From: David Axmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Darney Lampert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mysql [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL. I am the licensing guru for MySQL AB and one of the founders. With regard to MySQL software falling under the GPL licence, I was too focussed on studying the GPL licence itself, and missed this very clear section of the MySQL AB licence: As long as you never distribute (internally or externally) the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under GPL or other OSI approved license or not. In all fairness to MySQL AB, that wording is clear enough, I would say. :) My eye also caught the following blurb: We also believe that if you have strong reasons NOT to go GPL, you also have the monetary means to purchase commercial licences. Conversely, I would say: I also believe that if you have strong reasons NOT to go COMMERCIAL, you also do not have the monetary means to purchase commercial licences. In other words: relax. :) Worried people who are asking questions here to the effect of their program using MySQL requires a commercial licence, are likely people who cannot afford a commercial licence anyway. - Mark - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
On Thu, 2002-12-05 at 03:23, Pae Choi wrote: Look! I already unsubscribed this. Do you understand what that mean? I have no interest to dealing with MySQL and have no time for this. You must understand that this thread was started from someone who were interested to sell his/her product that utilize MySQL. And I was trying to help both sides. One who is creating an innovative products as well as MySQL. Do you know how both sides get benefits? Actually, MySQL should appreciate them. Those folks actually help your business by moving your products. Also, you MUST understand that if one product provides the persistence service that only comes with JDBC/JDO/or similar functionality. So the product can adopt any back-end DBMS, for example, and leaving the choice of DBMS to thier customers. They will more than likely go with the *reliable* DBMS. In case the customers somehow select MySQL for thier DBMS solution, to wit, if they download and use it. You are out of luck! 1) The Product innovation group did not distributed; Their customers download it. 2) In their own license, they can declare own rights. Still want to chase them, it's your choice(I don't know what you are going to after for, but it will be your choice as well to spend the time and your own expenses.) Last, by no means least, put me out of this. I am no longer interesting to waste my time with MySQL. I already seen enough and got sense of attitudes from MySQL. Pae P.S.: If your intention was for commercializtion from the beginning, you should started with .com, not .org -- I can see your sly marketing strategy. FYI: We did start with mysql.com. We did not get mysql.org until last year. /David - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Sorry continue this subject ... I´m the author original question, LEGAL information about MySQL. But I Think that my question is simple and the other answers do not make sense to me. I never said that I change original MySQL source code, and I just want know if I can use MySQL database on my comercial application without pay for it. My application ONLY access MySQL. I develop a program with Delphi with access MySQL database. I'll sell my program, and ONLY give a copy of MySQL to the users, or indicate the place to download to them. Does my client need to pay a license to MySQL AB? Other case: I develop a web-site with PHP wich access MySQL database to a client who paid for it. The users do not need to install MySQL. Does anybody need to pay something? Who? (Remember that my Web Server just run PHP and MySQL, wich are free. My site (wich is paid) uses the services provided by the web-server) In this case, does my client, the web-server or I need to pay a license to MySQL AB? Please, just wellfounded answers, not personal opinions. Thanks At 15:51 30/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hello. I do not intent to follow-up on the issue, as you are either trolling or clueless (and not willing to inform yourself) or both. On Sat 2002-11-30 at 08:30:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like all against I see are coming from MySQL team. But I want to prevent a misconception: I am in no way affiliated to MySQL AB than being an user of their software. Bye, Benjamin. Darney Lampert Sky Informática Ltda - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
-Original Message- From: Pae Choi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Seems like all against I see are coming from MySQL team. I know MySQL is stealing a lot of code from the public domain, inclduing the SSL part. How funny! By definition you can't steal anything from the public domain. It's free for the taking! - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Hello. This is quickly heading towards off-topic. If you are interested in a discussion of what the GPL means, a different forum would be more adequate, I think. I do not necessarily completely agree with MySQL AB's interpretation of the GPL, but since it's their product, I am fine with it. But what you wrote is simply wrong. On Fri 2002-11-29 at 19:28:09 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your software utilize the software under GPL license, you can simply add those GPL licenses as well as make a note that you are only selling, i.e. the price is only for your own software, your own software, you should be fine. The GPL never says anything about distributing a copy for free. I does not matter if you want $100.000 per copy. It only says that you also have to provide the source code (and that, if you offer to get the source seperately, you may not charge more than your transfer costs for the source - section 3.b). On Sat 2002-11-30 at 03:18:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Just to pretect your own benefit, you can add a statment saying that all rights of GPL license reserved by them. And those are provided just for your convenience. What you advocate is the same as saying that you if stick a pirated copy of windows in with your software, but disclaim in your documentation that you're only paying for your software, not the copy of windows that is not following Microsoft's licensing terms. Your example is totally out of case. No. You said implicitly, that you can disregard the GPL by simply pointing out you only included the software for convenience. With the GPL, such a notice makes no sense. Either you comply with it, in which case you need no notice, or you do not, in which case you may not distribute the program. Such a notice does not change anything. That is what Mark tried to point out. GPL says that it can freely distribute as long as the copyright is included. That is the BSD license. The GPL indeed requires to leave the copyright notice intact, too (section 1), but also requires, that you either distribute a _verbatim_ copy (section 1) or distribute any changes or additions with the exception of mere aggregation (section 2). If a program uses MySQL in any way, you cannot claim mere aggregation, IMHO. Bye, Benjamin. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Didn't you the previous posting that contains two paragraphs from GPL? And if someone wants to sell the software that use the MySQL, then simply let them downlaod it. Then you will be out of this crap. Also, PostgreSQL will be your alternative option as well. Pae P.S.: There are many commercial software using and distributing the software/packages under GPL, why don't you sue them then. Huh, you will not getting anything other than your own expenses. Hello. This is quickly heading towards off-topic. If you are interested in a discussion of what the GPL means, a different forum would be more adequate, I think. I do not necessarily completely agree with MySQL AB's interpretation of the GPL, but since it's their product, I am fine with it. But what you wrote is simply wrong. On Fri 2002-11-29 at 19:28:09 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your software utilize the software under GPL license, you can simply add those GPL licenses as well as make a note that you are only selling, i.e. the price is only for your own software, your own software, you should be fine. The GPL never says anything about distributing a copy for free. I does not matter if you want $100.000 per copy. It only says that you also have to provide the source code (and that, if you offer to get the source seperately, you may not charge more than your transfer costs for the source - section 3.b). On Sat 2002-11-30 at 03:18:58 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Just to pretect your own benefit, you can add a statment saying that all rights of GPL license reserved by them. And those are provided just for your convenience. What you advocate is the same as saying that you if stick a pirated copy of windows in with your software, but disclaim in your documentation that you're only paying for your software, not the copy of windows that is not following Microsoft's licensing terms. Your example is totally out of case. No. You said implicitly, that you can disregard the GPL by simply pointing out you only included the software for convenience. With the GPL, such a notice makes no sense. Either you comply with it, in which case you need no notice, or you do not, in which case you may not distribute the program. Such a notice does not change anything. That is what Mark tried to point out. GPL says that it can freely distribute as long as the copyright is included. That is the BSD license. The GPL indeed requires to leave the copyright notice intact, too (section 1), but also requires, that you either distribute a _verbatim_ copy (section 1) or distribute any changes or additions with the exception of mere aggregation (section 2). If a program uses MySQL in any way, you cannot claim mere aggregation, IMHO. Bye, Benjamin. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
All who haven't read GPL FAQ, go and read it: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html Current discussion is covered beginning from: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifiedJustBinary http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Also, discussion here reminded me MySQL vs Progress case when subsidiary of Progress named NuSphere violated MySQL AB rights in similar way as defended now by some persons. It is very similar to current discussion, so I think it is correct to include Eben Moglen's point of view here: http://www.gnu.org/press/mysql-affidavit.html Tonu - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
If MySQL plays so dirty, go with PostgreSQL. It's been known to be better and more acceptable in all platforms. Ex, they have triggers, etc that MySQL does not have. Pae - Original Message - From: Tonu Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL. All who haven't read GPL FAQ, go and read it: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html Current discussion is covered beginning from: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#ModifiedJustBinary http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Also, discussion here reminded me MySQL vs Progress case when subsidiary of Progress named NuSphere violated MySQL AB rights in similar way as defended now by some persons. It is very similar to current discussion, so I think it is correct to include Eben Moglen's point of view here: http://www.gnu.org/press/mysql-affidavit.html Tonu - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
One final thouhgt for the people who wish to sell your own products. You can distribute your own products, but let your customers download the GPL packages. In that way, you are not distributing that. And you can include your license saying that something like any utilziation of third-party packages will be solely your(i.e., your customers) responsibilities. In that way, you do not have to concern about legal obligations while at the same time you can freely sell your own products. Pae P.S.: Just for MySQL, you should appreciate those people who make their products utilizing MySQL. That will actually help your business by helping MySQL move more. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 14:46, Pae Choi wrote: If MySQL plays so dirty, go with PostgreSQL. It's been known to be better and more acceptable in all platforms. Ex, they have triggers, etc that MySQL does not have. FUD. I pointed to information of FSF and people not related to MySQL. Seems like you name FSF understanding about GPL dirty. I can't agree with you. Tõnu - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
No. You are complete WRONG. I am encouraging people who trying to sell their own products same as GPL. So I am in the same line. In addition, I am not expecting anyone has to agree with me. That includes you as well. And do not accuse me in such comment. You are starting the flame. This is a warning! Pae - Original Message - From: Tonu Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL. On Sat, 2002-11-30 at 14:46, Pae Choi wrote: If MySQL plays so dirty, go with PostgreSQL. It's been known to be better and more acceptable in all platforms. Ex, they have triggers, etc that MySQL does not have. FUD. I pointed to information of FSF and people not related to MySQL. Seems like you name FSF understanding about GPL dirty. I can't agree with you. Tõnu - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Hi. On Sat 2002-11-30 at 06:43:11 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't you the previous posting that contains two paragraphs from GPL? I saw these paragraphs. How do they relate to anything of this discussion? They are taken out of context from the Preamble of the license and only state some general intention. If you want to make a point, please refer to the legal binding part. And if someone wants to sell the software that use the MySQL, then simply let them downlaod it. Then you will be out of this crap. You obviously understand the GPL differently than the FSF does (see the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html). The MySQL list is not the appropriate forum to discuss this. Also, PostgreSQL will be your alternative option as well. PostgreSQL is an interesting database, but the question was whether software using MySQL must be distributed under GPL. P.S.: There are many commercial software using and distributing the software/packages under GPL, You keep repeating that, but this proves nothing. First, doing something does not make it right. Second, there are quite some possibilities for commercial software to comply with GPL. If you want to make a point relevant to this list, cite a specific commercial software package which is using a GPL product in a similar situation as using MySQL would mean. why don't you sue them then. Because I do not own the copyright on this software? Only the copyright holder can sue. Well, as I said last time, the question is what MySQL AB thinks is legally and it is up to them to sue if they consider it appropriate. And it is ill-advised to suggest people to disregard what MySQL AB thinks the GPL means. I seriously wonder if you are just trolling. Regards, Benjamin. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Seems like all against I see are coming from MySQL team. I know MySQL is stealing a lot of code from the public domain, inclduing the SSL part. How funny! I already mentioned in the previous message. I am only encouraging the people to create more innovative works, and Open Source based product team, MySQL, is actually discouraging them. How beautiful! Once again, all product inventors, use your own license to pretoect your own rights. And let your customers download any troublesome packages if necessary. Pae - Original Message - From: Benjamin Pflugmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pae Choi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL. Hi. On Sat 2002-11-30 at 06:43:11 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't you the previous posting that contains two paragraphs from GPL? I saw these paragraphs. How do they relate to anything of this discussion? They are taken out of context from the Preamble of the license and only state some general intention. If you want to make a point, please refer to the legal binding part. And if someone wants to sell the software that use the MySQL, then simply let them downlaod it. Then you will be out of this crap. You obviously understand the GPL differently than the FSF does (see the GPL FAQ: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html). The MySQL list is not the appropriate forum to discuss this. Also, PostgreSQL will be your alternative option as well. PostgreSQL is an interesting database, but the question was whether software using MySQL must be distributed under GPL. P.S.: There are many commercial software using and distributing the software/packages under GPL, You keep repeating that, but this proves nothing. First, doing something does not make it right. Second, there are quite some possibilities for commercial software to comply with GPL. If you want to make a point relevant to this list, cite a specific commercial software package which is using a GPL product in a similar situation as using MySQL would mean. why don't you sue them then. Because I do not own the copyright on this software? Only the copyright holder can sue. Well, as I said last time, the question is what MySQL AB thinks is legally and it is up to them to sue if they consider it appropriate. And it is ill-advised to suggest people to disregard what MySQL AB thinks the GPL means. I seriously wonder if you are just trolling. Regards, Benjamin. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: [OT] LEGAL information about MySQL.
Hello. I do not intent to follow-up on the issue, as you are either trolling or clueless (and not willing to inform yourself) or both. On Sat 2002-11-30 at 08:30:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems like all against I see are coming from MySQL team. But I want to prevent a misconception: I am in no way affiliated to MySQL AB than being an user of their software. Bye, Benjamin. I know MySQL is stealing a lot of code from the public domain, inclduing the SSL part. How funny! I already mentioned in the previous message. I am only encouraging the people to create more innovative works, and Open Source based product team, MySQL, is actually discouraging them. How beautiful! [...] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
