Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 08:01, Donavan Stanley wrote: You're willing to run a seperate X session... Sorting top byt memory consumption shows my window manager (ratpoison) consuming less memory than the script I use to launch the frontend. When using a lowend box I would rather use the video card's memory/gpu. The PVR250 put very little load on the cpu of the box, I needed the remaining CPU and memory for decoding since I had no hardware decoder. So what you're saying is we should build a window manager into myth so that you don't have to run a window manager? I am no programmer so I really have no idea. I assume the we you are referring to is you and other myth developers? If you are a myth developer, then yes, I am saying it would be nice for mythtv to be able to run without an external window manager. Again, I assume a window manager is simply making calls to the X libraries. I am purely guessing that having myth directly call whatever functions needed to handle focus and full screen are already present in the myth code. Myth handles swapping between viewing with it's own internal viewer/menus/modules just fine. Except that's not what you're bitching about. You're complaining about not managing to full screen apps. (which is really two windows) which is one of the primary functions of a window manager. So, the capability to full screen and focus windows resides in window managers, not the X libs? Yes, it's such waste it justifies the massive development effort to do away with X. We look forward to your patch, Am I incorrect in recalling that myth can use embedded QT instead of X? I don't remember where I got that idea. Regardless, admittedly, I am pretty much a complete dumbass when it comes to coding. I hack around with various scripting languages, that is about it. I apologize if I came across as bitching. I love my mythtv and highly appreciate the obvious effort that has gone into it. No commercial product compares in my opinion. My only wish is that myth could run on lower end boxes so that I can have 10 mythboxes running on old recycled hardware :) pgpP4S1lbT8bg.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On 7/30/05, Mike Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When using a lowend box I would rather use the video card's memory/gpu. The PVR250 put very little load on the cpu of the box, I needed the remaining CPU and memory for decoding since I had no hardware decoder. Memory is not really much of a constraint for decoding. Also, small window managers, like ratpoison, or blackbox, don't consume very much memory *or* CPU. I am no programmer so I really have no idea. I assume the we you are referring to is you and other myth developers? If you are a myth developer, then yes, I am saying it would be nice for mythtv to be able to run without an external window manager. Again, I assume a window manager is simply making calls to the X libraries. I am purely guessing that having myth directly call whatever functions needed to handle focus and full screen are already present in the myth code. Myth handles swapping between viewing with it's own internal viewer/menus/modules just fine. Well, yes, window managers use the normal X11 library calls to do their work. However, you're talking about apples and oranges here. Window managers are specifically made to handle the focus and layering of windows from multiple applications. There's really no need to add this functionality to MythTV, because there are a number of fine window managers that will suit your needs perfectly. So, the capability to full screen and focus windows resides in window managers, not the X libs? For the most part, MythTV doesn't call the X11 libraries directly (the video output stuff is the exception). It uses Qt, which abstracts away a lot of stuff. This is a good thing. Am I incorrect in recalling that myth can use embedded QT instead of X? I don't remember where I got that idea. Regardless, admittedly, I am pretty much a complete dumbass when it comes to coding. I hack around with various scripting languages, that is about it. I apologize if I came across as bitching. I love my mythtv and highly appreciate the obvious effort that has gone into it. No commercial product compares in my opinion. My only wish is that myth could run on lower end boxes so that I can have 10 mythboxes running on old recycled hardware :) You can certainly use embedded Qt. You can also configure MythTV for DirectFB output, which gets X11 out of the way entirely. It's not necessarily faster, though. You don't get the benefits of XvMC or Xv when you do it that way. MythTV can run just fine on lower end machines, if you stick something like a PVR-350 in them. Of course, your definition of low-end might not agree with mine. Without hardware help, it pretty much takes a 550 MHz Pentium III to do real-time MPEG-2 decoding. MPEG-4 is even more demanding. If you do have something that fast, or faster, and 256 MB RAM, or more, and an Xv-capable video card, you shouldn't have any problem running X11 *and* a minimal window manager with your frontend. Carl Fongheiser ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On 7/25/05, Mike Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand that to be the case. However, I don't want to run a window manager just to get mplayer to behave correctly. My previous setup was a dual 400MHz PII - adding a window manager to the mix added unnecessary complexity and maintenance. I squeezed it for every ounce of memory and CPU :) You're willing to run a seperate X session... Sorting top byt memory consumption shows my window manager (ratpoison) consuming less memory than the script I use to launch the frontend. Regardless, it seems to me that it should work correctly without one. So what you're saying is we should build a window manager into myth so that you don't have to run a window manager? Requiring a window manager to manage a full screen app seems sloppy. Except that's not what you're bitching about. You're complaining about not managing to full screen apps. (which is really two windows) which is one of the primary functions of a window manager. Heck, someday I would like to get rid of X completely use embedded QT. The entire X windowing system along with a window manager is overkill for a single purpose pvr/media box. Yes, it's such waste it justifies the massive development effort to do away with X. We look forward to your patch, ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
I certainly would have thought that most WM's are lighter than two X sessions, but I may be wrong on that. Of course you are absolutely correct. Now I will have to figure out how to completely disable all aspects of a completely new window manager :) Just for the record, I wanted to do the same thing... no WM at all. I still use my script which fires up a bare X (no xmd/gdm/kdm), and runs just what I want. I have chosen 'ratpoison' as my WM of choice. Perfect for a PVR... no decorations/titlebars, etc. Everything is full-screen, and you can pull up a terminal with a keystroke that mimics the 'screen' terminal program. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss* * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 05:58 am, Cory Papenfuss spammed: I have chosen 'ratpoison' as my WM of choice. Perfect for a PVR... no decorations/titlebars, etc. Everything is full-screen, and you can pull up a terminal with a keystroke that mimics the 'screen' terminal program. Cory, do you have to tweak any rc files or with ratpoison? I spent a couple of hours last night attempting to tweak .twmrc and .fvwmrc to get twm or fvwm2 working. Both times there was one or two problems that I could not get around. For example, with twm, attempting to schedule a recording by using the program schedule would bring the program schedule up in the background. pgp2b0mA1stGM.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Mike Green wrote: On Tuesday 26 July 2005 05:58 am, Cory Papenfuss spammed: I have chosen 'ratpoison' as my WM of choice. Perfect for a PVR... no decorations/titlebars, etc. Everything is full-screen, and you can pull up a terminal with a keystroke that mimics the 'screen' terminal program. Cory, do you have to tweak any rc files or with ratpoison? I spent a couple of hours last night attempting to tweak .twmrc and .fvwmrc to get twm or fvwm2 working. Both times there was one or two problems that I could not get around. For example, with twm, attempting to schedule a recording by using the program schedule would bring the program schedule up in the background. The only ratpoison setting I tried to mess with was to fix the overscan my tvout stuff does. With ratpoison, whatever window is active, it is made fullscreen. I also believe that if a new window is drawn, it becomes active and is thus fullscreen. Toggling from one to the other requires a screen-like keystroke... 'Ctrl-t, 0' for the 0th window, etc. Pulling up an xterm is 'Ctrl-t, n' for a New window. Hope that helps all I can suggest is to give it a try. It's about as lightweight as a window manager can be. -Cory -- * * Cory Papenfuss* * Electrical Engineering candidate Ph.D. graduate student * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University * * ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 06:58:44AM -0400, Cory Papenfuss wrote: Of course you are absolutely correct. Now I will have to figure out how to completely disable all aspects of a completely new window manager :) The problem with MythTV and mplayer is probably with window managers that use the click to focus model by default. With MythTV and mplayer you definitely want to automatically focus on the top window. I have chosen 'ratpoison' as my WM of choice. Perfect for a PVR... no decorations/titlebars, etc. Everything is full-screen, and you can pull up a terminal with a keystroke that mimics the 'screen' terminal program. Ditto. I wouldn't use ratpoison on a desktop machine, but it's great for the XBOX. On my desktop I use KDE and run MythTV in a window. That way I can watch it PIP-style while doing other things. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
Ratpoison SET ME FREE :) For those who really don't see the need to run a window manager, but have the mplayer focus issue, give ratpoison a try. I tried almost every window manager and could not get any of them tweaked just right. After installing ratpoison I just added /usr/bin/ratpoison to my .xinitrc and now it all works flawlessly :) No config files, no tweaking, it menubars, titles, or borders. Best of all, using mplayer to watch external videos works without much hassle. Thanks guys, I appreciate the pointer. Signed, One happy camper mythtv owner. pgp5Ng6YwzcwJ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
And if that doesn't work for you, try consuming Ratpoison and just get it over with. Mike Green wrote: Ratpoison SET ME FREE :) For those who really don't see the need to run a window manager, but have the mplayer focus issue, give ratpoison a try. I tried almost every window manager and could not get any of them tweaked just right. After installing ratpoison I just added /usr/bin/ratpoison to my .xinitrc and now it all works flawlessly :) No config files, no tweaking, it menubars, titles, or borders. Best of all, using mplayer to watch external videos works without much hassle. Thanks guys, I appreciate the pointer. Signed, One happy camper mythtv owner. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Thank you for your time, --== R i c h a r d B r o n o s k y ==-- Nearly all viruses and spyware are designed to use Microsoft internet products. Protect yourself by avoiding Internet Explorer Outlook/Outlook Express. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:10:27 -0500 Mike Green wrote: Ratpoison SET ME FREE :) For those who really don't see the need to run a window manager, but have the mplayer focus issue, give ratpoison a try. I tried almost every window manager and could not get any of them tweaked just right. After installing ratpoison I just added /usr/bin/ratpoison to my .xinitrc and now it all works flawlessly :) No config files, no tweaking, it menubars, titles, or borders. Best of all, using mplayer to watch external videos works without much hassle. actually I must admit that sometimes fluxbox gives me a stray titlebar when mplayer runs an external video. If I am annoyed enough by it I hit the F button twice to turn fullscreen off then on again. I will therefore try ratpoison and see what happens :) cheers, Nick Thanks guys, I appreciate the pointer. Signed, One happy camper mythtv owner. Nick Rout ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
I asked this question a while back and never came across an answer. I tried everything, including all of the various -fstype switches to mplayer. Nothing would give mplayer the focus. I eventually settled for a hack that involves running mplayer in a separate X session and using chvt to switch back and forth. I created two shell scripts, one to launch the new X session, another to get rid of the blue band that appears behind mplayer when using an nvidia card. Here are my scripts. -- cut below - #!/bin/sh # This is /usr/local/bin/watchvideo # # Note that /usr/bin/chvt must be suid root (chmod u+s /usr/bin/chvt) if # mythfrontend is not being run as root. # # verify args if [ $# -ne 1 ]; then echo usage: watchvideo /path/to/video/video.mpg exit 1 else video=$* fi if [ ! -f $video ]; then echo failure: invalid video: $video exit 1 fi # # switch over to different terminal, start new X session. # /usr/bin/chvt 8 X :2 vt8 sleep 5 export DISPLAY=:2 xhost + # # only needed if using nvidia drivers and you get the blue band # /usr/local/bin/setcolorkey /dev/null 21 # # Start mplayer in the 2nd X session. Change mplayer options to # what you need, particularly the -ao and -vo switches. # /usr/bin/mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv -ao alsa $video # # Ugly hack - kill the 2nd X session, change back to mythfrontend on vt7 # kill -9 `cat /tmp/.X2-lock` sleep 5 /usr/bin/chvt 7 -- cut above - Here is my /usr/local/bin/setcolorkey, in case you need it. -- cut below - #!/bin/sh # setcolorkey - remove the blue band that shows up with nvidia cards # when using mplayer and the nvidia binary drivers. This requires # the xvattr utility. Note if not running as root, xvattr needs to # be suid root (chmod u+s /usr/bin/xvattr). # export DISPLAY=:2 # Give mplayer time to start up. sleep 5 # Fix the blue band /usr/bin/xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048 -- cut above - Plug /usr/local/bin/watchvideo into your setup for watching videos, instead of directly calling mplayer. pgpq4PXen1TaS.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
I asked this question a while back and never came across an answer. I tried everything, including all of the various -fstype switches to mplayer. Nothing would give mplayer the focus. what windowmanager are you using? I settled on fluxbox as working fine. I eventually settled for a hack that involves running mplayer in a separate X session and using chvt to switch back and forth. I created two shell scripts, one to launch the new X session, another to get rid of the blue band that appears behind mplayer when using an nvidia card. Here are my scripts. [snip] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Monday 25 July 2005 04:18 pm, Nick Rout spammed: I asked this question a while back and never came across an answer. I tried everything, including all of the various -fstype switches to mplayer. Nothing would give mplayer the focus. what windowmanager are you using? I settled on fluxbox as working fine. No windowmanager. Why do I need a windowmanager, it is a pvr :) pgp7JeDo9HlSw.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
No windowmanager. Why do I need a windowmanager, it is a pvr :) Because the window manager helps handle which app is in focus. Many people not using a window manager run into focus issues. Even a very small lightweight windowmanager would likely fix your problem. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Monday 25 July 2005 04:37 pm, Greg Estabrooks spammed: No windowmanager. Why do I need a windowmanager, it is a pvr :) Because the window manager helps handle which app is in focus. Many people not using a window manager run into focus issues. Even a very small lightweight windowmanager would likely fix your problem. I understand that to be the case. However, I don't want to run a window manager just to get mplayer to behave correctly. My previous setup was a dual 400MHz PII - adding a window manager to the mix added unnecessary complexity and maintenance. I squeezed it for every ounce of memory and CPU :) Now that I have upgraded, at some point I might add a window manager. Regardless, it seems to me that it should work correctly without one. Requiring a window manager to manage a full screen app seems sloppy. Heck, someday I would like to get rid of X completely use embedded QT. The entire X windowing system along with a window manager is overkill for a single purpose pvr/media box. pgpRvpqJE7PG5.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:49:48 -0500 Mike Green wrote: On Monday 25 July 2005 04:37 pm, Greg Estabrooks spammed: No windowmanager. Why do I need a windowmanager, it is a pvr :) Because the window manager helps handle which app is in focus. Many people not using a window manager run into focus issues. Even a very small lightweight windowmanager would likely fix your problem. I understand that to be the case. However, I don't want to run a window manager just to get mplayer to behave correctly. My previous setup was a dual 400MHz PII - adding a window manager to the mix added unnecessary complexity and maintenance. I squeezed it for every ounce of memory and CPU :) Yes well I would like to do the same, and agree with your sentiments. However fluxbox is pretty darned light. I also tried evilwm, which is lighter still. however I still had focus issues so I moved up to fluxbox. I understand that openbox has a similar heritage to flux, but I am not sure which is lighter. i don't propose to change something that is now working :) I certainly would have thought that most WM's are lighter than two X sessions, but I may be wrong on that. Now that I have upgraded, at some point I might add a window manager. Regardless, it seems to me that it should work correctly without one. Requiring a window manager to manage a full screen app seems sloppy. Heck, someday I would like to get rid of X completely use embedded QT. The entire X windowing system along with a window manager is overkill for a single purpose pvr/media box. Agreed, see above. -- Nick Rout ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
On Monday 25 July 2005 18:37, Nick Rout wrote: I certainly would have thought that most WM's are lighter than two X sessions, but I may be wrong on that. Of course you are absolutely correct. Now I will have to figure out how to completely disable all aspects of a completely new window manager :) pgpBv0ljxyWrI.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
shorn of comments this is my .xinitrc 9for the user that runs mythfrontend) [ -f $HOME/.Xdefaults ] xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults xsetroot -solid \#400040 xsetroot -cursor_name top_left_arrow /usr/bin/fluxbox exec mythfrontend I'm not even sure now where the first 3 lines came from. It is handy to have the root window colour changed from black so you can distinguish it from a blank screen. I probably should redirect the output of the fluxbox line to /dev/null, and will do so when I get the inclination. On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:34:15 -0500 Mike Green wrote: On Monday 25 July 2005 18:37, Nick Rout wrote: I certainly would have thought that most WM's are lighter than two X sessions, but I may be wrong on that. Of course you are absolutely correct. Now I will have to figure out how to completely disable all aspects of a completely new window manager :) -- Nick Rout ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] mplayer still not in focus
trying to play a simple .avi in mythtv, and even with the /dev/null 21 trick does keep it in focus. Is there anyway to keep mplayer in focus? basically if you hit the esc, q or any other key, mplayer wont respond. Interesting enough, launch mythtv from a windowmanager and mplayer works fine. ~/.xinitrc # OSD xmodmap -e keycode 158 = o # Pause xmodmap -e keycode 232 = p xmodmap -e keycode 110 = p xmodmap -e keycode 177 = p # Volume xmodmap -e keycode 174 = 9 xmodmap -e keycode 176 = 0 # Mute xmodmap -e keycode 160 = m # PageUp/PageDown xmodmap -e keycode 152 = Next xmodmap -e keycode 233 = Prior # Quit xmodmap -e keycode 54 = Escape xmodmap -e keycode 222 = Escape # slow mouse for ati-remote /usr/X11R6/bin/xset m 5 10 # turn off screen blanking /usr/X11R6/bin/xset s noblank /usr/X11R6/bin/xset s off /usr/X11R6/bin/xset -dpms #fluxbox #wmaker mythbackend mythfrontend ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
