[mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
i asked this a while back, but either didn't get many specific responses or i deleted them and can't remember what people suggested! :p anyway, i'm wanting to replace my ATI AIW 9600 non-pro in my myth frontend with a non-capture video card (i really want the AIW in my windows box, since parts of the card are going to waste currently) ... i'm def on a budget, so not looking into the highest, most cutting-edge nvidia cards, but i want something that will last me a while and is comparable to the Radeon 9600 ... i've got a transcoder already, so as long as it has a second vga-out, i'm fine ... however, if it's supported, i could always use a single-head vid card, since i've got my system's framebuffer support configured so it outputs 480p, so my hdtv works as a monitor ... but, i'm not sure if all the tv-related tweaks (hd timings, center mode stuff, etc) are all supported on a single-vga card ... i'm wanting to spend well under $100 ... anyone recommend any specific nvidia cards to check out? not interested in gaming, so 3D performance means nothing to me, only movie quality -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: i asked this a while back, but either didn't get many specific responses or i deleted them and can't remember what people suggested! :p anyway, i'm wanting to replace my ATI AIW 9600 non-pro in my myth frontend with a non-capture video card (i really want the AIW in my windows box, since parts of the card are going to waste currently) ... i'm def on a budget, so not looking into the highest, most cutting-edge nvidia cards, but i want something that will last me a while and is comparable to the Radeon 9600 ... i've got a transcoder already, so as long as it has a second vga-out, i'm fine ... however, if it's supported, i could always use a single-head vid card, since i've got my system's framebuffer support configured so it outputs 480p, so my hdtv works as a monitor ... but, i'm not sure if all the tv-related tweaks (hd timings, center mode stuff, etc) are all supported on a single-vga card ... i'm wanting to spend well under $100 ... anyone recommend any specific nvidia cards to check out? not interested in gaming, so 3D performance means nothing to me, only movie quality -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Egeekial wrote: Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. because i've found that support for hd in nvidia's linux drivers are lightyears ahead of ati's ... most every htpc site i've found says the same thing ... i've not had stability issues with nvidia or ati drivers in linux so far, so i can't say as far as one being more stable than the other -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On 5/31/05, gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i asked this a while back, but either didn't get many specific responses or i deleted them and can't remember what people suggested! :p anyway, i'm wanting to replace my ATI AIW 9600 non-pro in my myth frontend with a non-capture video card (i really want the AIW in my windows box, since parts of the card are going to waste currently) ... i'm def on a budget, so not looking into the highest, most cutting-edge nvidia cards, but i want something that will last me a while and is comparable to the Radeon 9600 ... i've got a transcoder already, so as long as it has a second vga-out, i'm fine ... however, if it's supported, i could always use a single-head vid card, since i've got my system's framebuffer support configured so it outputs 480p, so my hdtv works as a monitor ... but, i'm not sure if all the tv-related tweaks (hd timings, center mode stuff, etc) are all supported on a single-vga card ... i'm wanting to spend well under $100 ... anyone recommend any specific nvidia cards to check out? not interested in gaming, so 3D performance means nothing to me, only movie quality If you want HD-out, i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121186 -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Well, I just bought an MSI FX5200-TD128 (i.e. nvidia FX5200) and I am quite disappointed by it. Indeed the color is much more sharp than my G400 was. The G400 was very dull and washed out. But the picture (when playing recorded content/live tv) does not go anywhere near filling the 720x480 that I am running my X display at. The OSD goes quite far to the edges of the screen (although I want some overscan, I'm not getting it), but when I play content, there are large black bars to the left and right of the picture and it looks squished/tall. If I toggle the display mode (pressuably to 640x480) while playing content it comes much closer to filling the screen but then going back to the OSD, it's off the right and left edges. My content is definitely being recorded at 720x480 during live tv display but even still, same issues with borders at the sides and a tall squished (not overly so, but noticeable) picture. b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 13:54 -0400, Egeekial wrote: Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. (SDTV, i.e. s-video, component, composite) TV-Out? Are they actually doing (ST)TV-Out these days? Historically they did not. I have my copyright consortium conspiracy theories but I will spare y'all. b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Fedor Pikus wrote: If you want HD-out, i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121186 yeah, i definitely want HD-out ... i've got a transcoder that converts from VGA - component, so i'm not going to mess with the extra cost of a component-out card ... i'd like something equivalent to (or better than) the ATI AIW Radeon 9600 non-pro that i currently have (but w/o the capture) ... one of the reasons i'd like to upgrade is because i'm stuck at running in a 540p timing, so all DVD material is scaled down ... when using Xv, diagonal lines have a jagged appearance like (use a mono-spaced font): \ `\ `\ `\ instead of: \ \ \ \ \ \ on either htpcnews.com or avsforum.com (or is it avsforums.com, i forget), i was told this had to do with a lazy video card manufacturer and they suggested a nvidia card w/ a similar feature set (minus the feature of jagged lines :P) ... this is one of my reasons for not wanting to go w/ ATI ... anyone else have this problem w/ 540p or less and DVDs? i'd really like to be able to watch movies w/o this annoying problem ... thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Well, I'm not dealing with HD, so I couldn't tell you about that. I can tell you, though, that I tried using an old Geforce 256 DDR card in my Mythbox with very little luck (overlay problems, freezing, no hardware acceleration). On the other hand, I have a Radeon 9700 Pro in my desktop machine, and the ATI Linux drivers work flawlessly. The ATI drivers even came with a nice little program to setup your xorg.conf. It's a simple concept, and I can't understand why NVIDIA doesn't follow suit. It's somewhat of a pain to have to go through the FAQ to get the xorg.conf setup properly. Anyway, I probably have a skewed view of NVIDIA's Linux drivers since I was using such an old card, but I didn't want to take any chances, so I just bought a Radeon 9250 for my Mythbox. I'll let you know how it goes when I get it. gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Egeekial wrote: Why does it have to be an NVIDIA card? I have found that ATI's linux drivers are light years ahead of NVIDIA's... in terms of stability at least. because i've found that support for hd in nvidia's linux drivers are lightyears ahead of ati's ... most every htpc site i've found says the same thing ... i've not had stability issues with nvidia or ati drivers in linux so far, so i can't say as far as one being more stable than the other -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Egeekial wrote: Well, I'm not dealing with HD, so I couldn't tell you about that. I can tell you, though, that I tried using an old Geforce 256 DDR card in my Mythbox with very little luck (overlay problems, freezing, no hardware acceleration). hmm, i had a GeForce2 MX w/ S-Vid out that worked really well back in the day before i messed w/ myth (or owned an hdtv) .. On the other hand, I have a Radeon 9700 Pro in my desktop machine, and the ATI Linux drivers work flawlessly. The ATI drivers even came with a nice little program to setup your xorg.conf. It's a simple concept, and I can't understand why NVIDIA doesn't follow suit. It's somewhat of a pain to have to go through the FAQ to get the xorg.conf setup properly. i don't really care about that, since i had to go thru the xorg.conf file manually to get hdtv-out working the way i wanted to ... i actually somewhat prefer nvidia's way of doing it, because i'm yet to figure out what all the crap the ATI drivers put in the xorg.conf file mean :S (yes, i'm a control-freak geek and want to know what all those settings mean! :P) -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: If you want HD-out, i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and the GPU fried. Lonnie Borntreger ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 31 May 2005, Lonnie Borntreger wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: If you want HD-out, i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and the GPU fried. Really?!? I have 3 different systems right now with 5200-class Nvidia cards, using the 1.0.7174 nvidia driver and kernel 2.6.11.10 and all are functioning well. They are all using XFX brand variations with passive cooling, but I've also used the Mad Dog brand at CompUSA with success (at least until the crappy cooling fans seize up). One of the three systems is my mythtv box, and it's working fine. I went with this series of board based on chatter seen here last Nov-Jan, after discovering that the ATI 9200SE P.O.S. boards couldn't scale video fast enough to keep up at HDTV resolutions. Can a Ti4200 do hardware (i.e. xvideo) scaling fast enough for HDTV? -Mike -- | Mike Isely | PGP fingerprint Spammers Die!! | | 03 54 43 4D 75 E5 CC 92 | isely @ pobox (dot) com | 71 16 01 E2 B5 F5 C1 E8 | | ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On 5/31/05, Lonnie Borntreger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: If you want HD-out, i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and the GPU fried. Lonnie Borntreger Funny. I've never had any trouble with my 5200. It's fanless, and I picked it up on ebay for $50. Granted, I'm not using it for HDTV (although I plan to eventually), so maybe that's the issue. Normally I would say that you really shouldn't make a statement like the one you started with above, just based on your own experience. However, if it is true that many others you've spoken with are also having issues, perhaps I just got lucky. --Garry ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lonnie Borntreger wrote: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. My 5200s work well enough for me, under both Windows Linux. Test HD clips I've downloaded have played smoothly on my MythTV box (an Athlon XP 2400 with a no-name GeforceFX 5200). _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/ladenWhat's the most annoying thing on Usenet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCnMnTVgTKos01OwkRAltQAJ9066BK++ByQWNjaq7A3+041S0TRgCfYst3 jHyt9t52NzbPKhYqN4eJSdo= =9NyY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Scott Alfter wrote: My 5200s work well enough for me, under both Windows Linux. Test HD clips I've downloaded have played smoothly on my MythTV box (an Athlon XP 2400 with a no-name GeforceFX 5200). what kind of vid-out (not incl s-video if it has that) does your 5200 have? DVI-I, with (IIRC) a VGA connector for a 2nd display. I have a 30 LCD connected directly to the DVI output. are you doing hd? Not yet. I'm driving the display at its native resolution (1280x768); recordings, DVDs, and SVCDs get scaled appropriately. _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/ladenWhat's the most annoying thing on Usenet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCnMs9VgTKos01OwkRAsPNAJ9p2XTCs8YvSAn4VJmrdrOJnLwpTgCdEphv 6OXqT9gB2KSh8l4UlW8xO18= =uU45 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
Scott Alfter wrote: what kind of vid-out (not incl s-video if it has that) does your 5200 have? DVI-I, with (IIRC) a VGA connector for a 2nd display. which would also work great on a transcoder :) are you doing hd? Not yet. I'm driving the display at its native resolution (1280x768); recordings, DVDs, and SVCDs get scaled appropriately. scaled video look good? ie: does it look scaled or is the image clear ... the 5200 is one of the cards i'm looking at ... thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:22 -0500, Mike Isely wrote: I have 3 different systems right now with 5200-class Nvidia cards, using the 1.0.7174 nvidia driver and kernel 2.6.11.10 and all are functioning well. Does the video display (actual content, not the OSD) fill the screen? What resolution(s) are you using them at? I really want to avoid scaling vertically and preserve the 1:1 relationship of source material to destination display device (in the vertical scale anyway). b. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:29 -0600, Garry Cook wrote: On 5/31/05, Lonnie Borntreger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 10:58 -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: If you want HD-out, i.e. component TV-out, your choices start with GeForce 6200, which go for just over $100. Otherwise, there are many Geforce 5700 or even 5200 with TV-out (SVideo and composite) and dual DVI/VGA, like this one: Whatever you do, stay away from the 5200. I bought one, and had nothing but trouble (system lock-ups, oopses, crashes, etc). Went to the nVidia forums and everyone there was saying that it is a complete POS, even in Windows. So, I ebay'd a Ti4200 and it's been beautiful ever since. I had been using a GeForce2 GTS with no problems until the fan failed and the GPU fried. Lonnie Borntreger Funny. I've never had any trouble with my 5200. It's fanless, and I picked it up on ebay for $50. Granted, I'm not using it for HDTV (although I plan to eventually), so maybe that's the issue. Normally I would say that you really shouldn't make a statement like the one you started with above, just based on your own experience. However, if it is true that many others you've spoken with are also having issues, perhaps I just got lucky. Note that I didn't say it was a POS. I said that everyone on the nVidia forums said it was (and mine was a XFX card). Perhaps the many versions of driver updates since then resolved the issues with the card. And for Mike: I'm not doing HD, I was just mentioning this as a general statement(tm) not as a HD qualification. Lonnie Borntreger ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nvidia card on a budget suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Scott Alfter wrote: Not yet. I'm driving the display at its native resolution (1280x768); recordings, DVDs, and SVCDs get scaled appropriately. scaled video look good? ie: does it look scaled or is the image clear ... the 5200 is one of the cards i'm looking at ... I have no complaints, other than that it'd be nice if MythTV incorporated some DScaler-like functionality in its deinterlacer (inverse 3:2 pulldown on the fly would be nice). _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/ladenWhat's the most annoying thing on Usenet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCnQbYVgTKos01OwkRAm1XAKCg1lJ6DeBadnStTFK/Z08T+maWbwCfeISD gn5rSyDJ3Ym09dhXKOgvmuM= =TvXf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] nVidia card suggestion
I'm looking at (eventually) replacing my ATI AIW Radeon 9600 non-pro that's in my mythfrontend machine with an nVidia card ... any suggestions? not looking for anything super-high-end, but something that's scalable ... i've got a crescendo systems transcoder, so i really only need VGA-out, since it converts from VGA-component (technically, i could get away w/ only 1 output, but i'm not sure if 1 output cards have all the tv-related stuff built-in, so i'm expecting to get a dual-head card anyway) i orig bought the AIW so i could do a dual-boot on the HTPC and do capture stuff if i wanted (before I messed w/ myth and before i had a separate tuner card), but now it'd be really nice to throw that AIW in my desktop, esp since my DVD+/-RW is in that box now (after total restructuring of my network!:) and *hopefully* a dual-layer burner is in the not-so-distant future ;) thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card suggestion
Even if you don't plan to use it now, if you're getting an NVidia card, look for one with component out (also called HDTV-out). I picked up GeForce 6200 from Newegg, very nice card. DVI, VGA, S-video, component out, supposedly can even do dual-screen (monitor and TV), I'm going to try it out next. If you need dual DVI-out, your options are somewhat limited, you need a GeForce 6600-series card (or 6800, but that's an overkill). Fedor On 5/24/05, gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking at (eventually) replacing my ATI AIW Radeon 9600 non-pro that's in my mythfrontend machine with an nVidia card ... any suggestions? not looking for anything super-high-end, but something that's scalable ... i've got a crescendo systems transcoder, so i really only need VGA-out, since it converts from VGA-component (technically, i could get away w/ only 1 output, but i'm not sure if 1 output cards have all the tv-related stuff built-in, so i'm expecting to get a dual-head card anyway) i orig bought the AIW so i could do a dual-boot on the HTPC and do capture stuff if i wanted (before I messed w/ myth and before i had a separate tuner card), but now it'd be really nice to throw that AIW in my desktop, esp since my DVD+/-RW is in that box now (after total restructuring of my network!:) and *hopefully* a dual-layer burner is in the not-so-distant future ;) thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card suggestion
Fedor Pikus wrote: Even if you don't plan to use it now, if you're getting an NVidia card, look for one with component out (also called HDTV-out). I picked up GeForce 6200 from Newegg, very nice card. DVI, VGA, S-video, component out, supposedly can even do dual-screen (monitor and TV), I'm going to try it out next. If you need dual DVI-out, your options are somewhat limited, you need a GeForce 6600-series card (or 6800, but that's an overkill). naw, definitely don't need dual DVI out ... only have my TV connected to this box, no monitors or anything else -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card suggestion
On Tue, May 24, 2005 at 12:46:47PM -0700, Fedor Pikus wrote: Even if you don't plan to use it now, if you're getting an NVidia card, look for one with component out (also called HDTV-out). I picked up GeForce 6200 from Newegg, very nice card. DVI, VGA, S-video, component out, supposedly can even do dual-screen (monitor and TV), I'm going to try it out next. If you need dual DVI-out, your options are somewhat limited, you need a GeForce 6600-series card (or 6800, but that's an overkill). The thing that bugs me about these higher end video cards is that they seem to eat a lot of power, put out a lot of heat, and thus need lots of cooling. Many require fans these days and you have to hunt for heatsink versions, but even then there is more heat for system fans to put out. Sad because we aren't using the actual fancy things that require all this heat unless we are also doing gaming. Component out of course requires no fancy circuits, and xvideo requires only the basics. Fancy mpeg decoding needs a bit more but nothing like what these GPUs are built for. One hopes as HTPC becomes popular, nvidia or the rest will be motivated to make a chip designed for it. No fancy graphics, just the basic memory needed for 1080i, alpha channel layers for OSD, and a bit of mp2/mp4 assist. Cheap and low heat! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card suggestion
The thing that bugs me about these higher end video cards is that they seem to eat a lot of power, put out a lot of heat, and thus need lots of cooling. Many require fans these days and you have to hunt for heatsink versions, but even then there is more heat for system fans to put out. If you don't need the component video out, then this is what I bought after reading about it here on the list: http://www.bestbargainpc.com/chgefx12afrs.html The card has no fan. I have a 19 Samsung hooked to the DVI. Works very well indeed. Karsten ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Hi
Morten,
Here
are the configuration files for the two setups. Both have been installed
following Jarod Wilsons guide.
My
own MythTV runs on FC1 with MythTV 0.16 and the attachments modules.conf and
XF86Config are from that PC.
The
other MythTV runs on FC3 with MythTV 0.17 and the attachments modprobe.conf and
xorg.conf are from that PC.
I do
not remember all details in the files but here are some
comments:
-
XF86Config, Section Module: I added vnc to be able of remote control the
display. I also think that I added the v4l line but I am not sure. I had to
comment out the glx line. Otherwise the system would freeze on startup. So no
OpenGL acceleration on that PC.
-
XF86Config, Section ServerFlags: I added this section to turn the screen saver
off
-
XF86Config, Section Monitor: I added the "TVOutput" option.Some of the
Options in the "Monitor" and "Device" sections can be placed in either
section.
-
XF86Config, Section Device: I changed the driver to "nvidia" and downloaded it
according to Jarods guide. It works with the options "TVStandard", "TVOutFormat"
and "ConnectedMonitor", while I have not been able to make "RenderAccel"
(freezes the system) and "TVOverScan" work. Make sure that the TV is connected
when the PC is started even though you use the
"ConnectedMonitor".
- XF86Config, Section
Screen: I added the option for the vnc passwordfile.
- modules.conf: There is
an alias for the nvidia driver. I am not sure that I added that, so probably the
installation did that automatically.
- xorg.conf, Section
Module: Again I added vnc and v4l. This PC runs with glx without
problems.
- xorg.conf, Section
ServerFlags: Added to turn screen saver off.
- xorg.conf, Section
Device: Again the driver is "nvidia" and I use the options "TVStandard",
"TVOutFormat" and "ConnectedMonitor". Note that this PC uses a FX5200 with both
composite andS-Video connectors. Both are used, one goes to the main TV,
while the other goes via a VHS to three other TVs. I am not sure that the
"TVOutFormat" has any effect. Apparently the board detects which connectors are
used during startup and uses only
those.
- xorg.conf, Section
Screen: Again the vnc password
file.
- modprobe.conf: Again
an alias for the nvidia kernel
module.
I also turned off the
screen saver a couple of places in the window managers and in the BIOS of the
PCs.
Best
regards
Niels
Dybdahl
-Original Message-From: Morten Rønseth
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31. marts 2005
23:05To: Discussion about mythtvSubject: Re:
[mythtv-users] nVidia cardHi Niels,Coild you
possible send me a short desription of your setup - XF86Config/xorg.conf,
module loading etc. - off the list? I would greately appreciate it
:-)Cheers,-MortenNiels Dybdahl wrote:
I do not think that extra RAM will have any
effect.
I also tried and gave up on a Radeon 7000 card
(with FC1). I then got a nVidia GeForce4 MX440 which works without problems.
I have helped somebody with a MythTV with a nVidia FX5200 which worked with
the same setup as the MX440. Just a matter of using the "nvidia" driver,
setting a number of Options which are described in nVidias documentation on
the web, loading some modules and turning off all kinds of screen
savers.
Best regards
Niels Dybdahl
-
Original Message -----
From:
Morten Rønseth
To:
Discussion about mythtv
Sent:
Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject:
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Ok, thanks all!So bottom line is, it's a great
card for mythtv use.But, would I be better off getting an fx 5500?
Is it worth putting the extra money into a 256MB version rather than a
128MB? Would an MSI card be a good choice?How hard is it to get TV
out going?I've given up on my Radeon 7000 card, cannot make tv out
work under Mandrake 10.1 (I've tried all the drivers - radeon, ati.2, ...)
its just beyond me.Thanks again, this list is great
help!Cheers,-MortenJoseph A.
Caputo wrote:
On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rønseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Garry,
What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which
claim to be
doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very
probable).
Chances are, it's not "MPEG2 Decoding", it's more "MPEG2 Hardware
Assistance" (In other words, XvMC)
Actually, I think some of the Nvidia cards actually do sport full MPEG
decoders... it's just that the full decoder isn't sup
Re: Fw: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Title: Message
Thanks Niels!
This will be of great help!
Cheers,
-Morten
Niels Dybdahl wrote:
Hi Morten,
Here are the configuration files for the
two setups. Both have been installed following Jarod Wilsons guide.
My own MythTV runs on FC1 with MythTV 0.16
and the attachments modules.conf and XF86Config are from that PC.
The other MythTV runs on FC3 with MythTV
0.17 and the attachments modprobe.conf and xorg.conf are from that PC.
I do not remember all details in the files
but here are some comments:
- XF86Config, Section Module: I added vnc
to be able of remote control the display. I also think that I added the
v4l line but I am not sure. I had to comment out the glx line.
Otherwise the system would freeze on startup. So no OpenGL acceleration
on that PC.
- XF86Config, Section ServerFlags: I added
this section to turn the screen saver off
- XF86Config, Section Monitor: I added the
"TVOutput" option.Some of the Options in the "Monitor" and "Device"
sections can be placed in either section.
- XF86Config, Section Device: I changed the
driver to "nvidia" and downloaded it according to Jarods guide. It
works with the options "TVStandard", "TVOutFormat" and
"ConnectedMonitor", while I have not been able to make "RenderAccel"
(freezes the system) and "TVOverScan" work. Make sure that the TV is
connected when the PC is started even though you use the
"ConnectedMonitor".
-
XF86Config, Section Screen: I added the option for the vnc passwordfile.
-
modules.conf: There is an alias for the nvidia driver. I am not sure
that I added that, so probably the installation did that automatically.
-
xorg.conf, Section Module: Again I added vnc and v4l. This PC runs with
glx without problems.
-
xorg.conf, Section ServerFlags: Added to turn screen saver off.
-
xorg.conf, Section Device: Again the driver is "nvidia" and I use the
options "TVStandard", "TVOutFormat" and "ConnectedMonitor". Note that
this PC uses a FX5200 with both composite andS-Video connectors. Both
are used, one goes to the main TV, while the other goes via a VHS to
three other TVs. I am not sure that the "TVOutFormat" has any effect.
Apparently the board detects which connectors are used during startup
and uses only those.
-
xorg.conf, Section Screen: Again the vnc password file.
-
modprobe.conf: Again an alias for the nvidia kernel module.
I also
turned off the screen saver a couple of places in the window managers
and in the BIOS of the PCs.
Best
regards
Niels
Dybdahl
-Original Message-----
From: Morten Rnseth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 31. marts 2005 23:05
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Hi Niels,
Coild you possible send me a short desription of your setup -
XF86Config/xorg.conf, module loading etc. - off the list? I would
greately appreciate it :-)
Cheers,
-Morten
Niels Dybdahl wrote:
I do not think that extra RAM
will have any effect.
I also tried and gave up on a
Radeon 7000 card (with FC1). I then got a nVidia GeForce4 MX440 which
works without problems. I have helped somebody with a MythTV with a
nVidia FX5200 which worked with the same setup as the MX440. Just a
matter of using the "nvidia" driver, setting a number of Options which
are described in nVidias documentation on the web, loading some modules
and turning off all kinds of screen savers.
Best regards
Niels Dybdahl
-
Original Message -
From:
Morten Rnseth
To:
Discussion about mythtv
Sent:
Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject:
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Ok, thanks all!
So bottom line is, it's a great card for mythtv use.
But, would I be better off getting an fx 5500? Is it worth putting the
extra money into a 256MB version rather than a 128MB? Would an MSI card
be a good choice?
How hard is it to get TV out going?
I've given up on my Radeon 7000 card, cannot make tv out work under
Mandrake 10.1 (I've tried all the drivers - radeon, ati.2, ...) its
just beyond me.
Thanks again, this list is great help!
Cheers,
-Morten
Joseph A. Caputo wrote:
On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rnseth
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Garry,
What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which
claim to be
doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very
probable).
Chances are, it's not "MPEG2 Decoding", it's more &
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Hi, Maybe silly question, but what is "XvMC"? Would such a card offload the CPU when viewing an mpeg2 stream? Cheers, -Morten Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rnseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not "MPEG2 Decoding", it's more "MPEG2 Hardware Assistance" (In other words, XvMC) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rnseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TrnsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
--- Morten Rønseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Maybe silly question, but what is XvMC? Would such a card offload the CPU when viewing an mpeg2 stream? Cheers, -Morten Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rønseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not MPEG2 Decoding, it's more MPEG2 Hardware Assistance (In other words, XvMC) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rønseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TårnåsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users XvMC is XVideo-MotionCompensation, and yes it takes some of the load off the CPU. It may just be me, but I have had problems getting XvMC to work correctly in myth so I'm currently not using it. In my case it seems that if I use agpgart or NvAGP and XvMC the system becomes unstable, hard lockups, screen freezing, etc. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rønseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not MPEG2 Decoding, it's more MPEG2 Hardware Assistance (In other words, XvMC) Actually, I think some of the Nvidia cards actually do sport full MPEG decoders... it's just that the full decoder isn't supported under Linux. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Ok, thanks all! So bottom line is, it's a great card for mythtv use. But, would I be better off getting an fx 5500? Is it worth putting the extra money into a 256MB version rather than a 128MB? Would an MSI card be a good choice? How hard is it to get TV out going? I've given up on my Radeon 7000 card, cannot make tv out work under Mandrake 10.1 (I've tried all the drivers - radeon, ati.2, ...) its just beyond me. Thanks again, this list is great help! Cheers, -Morten Joseph A. Caputo wrote: On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rnseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not "MPEG2 Decoding", it's more "MPEG2 Hardware Assistance" (In other words, XvMC) Actually, I think some of the Nvidia cards actually do sport full MPEG decoders... it's just that the full decoder isn't supported under Linux. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx http://www.webfx.no Morten Lerskau Rnseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Odinsvei 15c +47 6680 9191 1413 Trnsen+47 9343 4357 Norway ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Morten, Depends a lot on your primary use. I don't think many 5500 (and higher) cards are passively cooled, so they'll probably be louder than a passively-cooled 5200. If all you want to do is (HD)TV playback, the 5200 seems to be a great choice (based on others' comments). If you want to do more, then a 5500 (or better) might be the ticket. For example: For ME, I wanted a QUIET card (for MythTV watching), but one with enough power to run recent games well. I wound up going with an MSI GeForce 6600GT/AGP model NX6600GT-VTD128 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-150depa=0). I CAN vouch for the quietness (it's completely swamped by my case/PS fans), but I don't yet have MythTV fully operational, so I can't comment on the speed/capabilities. I don't play a lot of commercial games, but it's great for Racer (http://www.racer.nl/). Personally, I'd DEFINITELY stick to nVidia cards under Linux, at least for now. From other posts, ATI is still a ways behind on their Linux drivers. So think about what you want it for and go from there... Good luck, Alan Morten Rønseth wrote: Ok, thanks all! So bottom line is, it's a great card for mythtv use. But, would I be better off getting an fx 5500? Is it worth putting the extra money into a 256MB version rather than a 128MB? Would an MSI card be a good choice? How hard is it to get TV out going? I've given up on my Radeon 7000 card, cannot make tv out work under Mandrake 10.1 (I've tried all the drivers - radeon, ati.2, ...) its just beyond me. Thanks again, this list is great help! Cheers, -Morten Joseph A. Caputo wrote: On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rønseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not MPEG2 Decoding, it's more MPEG2 Hardware Assistance (In other words, XvMC) Actually, I think some of the Nvidia cards actually do sport full MPEG decoders... it's just that the full decoder isn't supported under Linux. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx http://www.webfx.no Morten Lerskau Rønseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Odinsvei 15c +47 6680 9191 1413 Tårnåsen+47 9343 4357 Norway ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
I do not think that extra RAM will have any effect. I also tried and gave up on a Radeon 7000 card (with FC1). I then got a nVidia GeForce4 MX440 which works without problems. I have helped somebody with a MythTV with a nVidia FX5200 which worked with the same setup as the MX440. Just a matter of using the "nvidia" driver, setting a number of Options which are described in nVidias documentation on the web, loading some modules and turning off all kinds of screen savers. Best regards Niels Dybdahl - Original Message - From: Morten Rønseth To: Discussion about mythtv Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card Ok, thanks all!So bottom line is, it's a great card for mythtv use.But, would I be better off getting an fx 5500? Is it worth putting the extra money into a 256MB version rather than a 128MB? Would an MSI card be a good choice?How hard is it to get TV out going?I've given up on my Radeon 7000 card, cannot make tv out work under Mandrake 10.1 (I've tried all the drivers - radeon, ati.2, ...) its just beyond me.Thanks again, this list is great help!Cheers,-MortenJoseph A. Caputo wrote: On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rønseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not "MPEG2 Decoding", it's more "MPEG2 Hardware Assistance" (In other words, XvMC) Actually, I think some of the Nvidia cards actually do sport full MPEG decoders... it's just that the full decoder isn't supported under Linux. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx http://www.webfx.no Morten Lerskau Rønseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Odinsvei 15c +47 6680 9191 1413 Tårnåsen+47 9343 4357 Norway ___mythtv-users mailing listmythtv-users@mythtv.orghttp://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Hi Niels, Coild you possible send me a short desription of your setup - XF86Config/xorg.conf, module loading etc. - off the list? I would greately appreciate it :-) Cheers, -Morten Niels Dybdahl wrote: I do not think that extra RAM will have any effect. I also tried and gave up on a Radeon 7000 card (with FC1). I then got a nVidia GeForce4 MX440 which works without problems. I have helped somebody with a MythTV with a nVidia FX5200 which worked with the same setup as the MX440. Just a matter of using the "nvidia" driver, setting a number of Options which are described in nVidias documentation on the web, loading some modules and turning off all kinds of screen savers. Best regards Niels Dybdahl - Original Message - From: Morten Rnseth To: Discussion about mythtv Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card Ok, thanks all! So bottom line is, it's a great card for mythtv use. But, would I be better off getting an fx 5500? Is it worth putting the extra money into a 256MB version rather than a 128MB? Would an MSI card be a good choice? How hard is it to get TV out going? I've given up on my Radeon 7000 card, cannot make tv out work under Mandrake 10.1 (I've tried all the drivers - radeon, ati.2, ...) its just beyond me. Thanks again, this list is great help! Cheers, -Morten Joseph A. Caputo wrote: On Thursday 31 March 2005 0:24, Robert Johnston wrote: On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rnseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not "MPEG2 Decoding", it's more "MPEG2 Hardware Assistance" (In other words, XvMC) Actually, I think some of the Nvidia cards actually do sport full MPEG decoders... it's just that the full decoder isn't supported under Linux. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx http://www.webfx.no Morten Lerskau Rnseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Odinsvei 15c +47 6680 9191 1413 Trnsen+47 9343 4357 Norway ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx http://www.webfx.no Morten Lerskau Rnseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Odinsvei 15c +47 6680 9191 1413 Trnsen+47 9343 4357 Norway ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 09:58 -0800, Alan Hagge wrote: Morten, Depends a lot on your primary use. I don't think many 5500 (and higher) cards are passively cooled, so they'll probably be louder than a passively-cooled 5200. If all you want to do is (HD)TV playback, the 5200 seems to be a great choice (based on others' comments). If you want to do more, then a 5500 (or better) might be the ticket. For example: For ME, I wanted a QUIET card (for MythTV watching), but one with enough power to run recent games well. I wound up going with an MSI GeForce 6600GT/AGP model NX6600GT-VTD128 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-150depa=0). I CAN vouch for the quietness (it's completely swamped by my case/PS fans), but I don't yet have MythTV fully operational, so I can't comment on the speed/capabilities. I don't play a lot of commercial games, but it's great for Racer (http://www.racer.nl/). Personally, I'd DEFINITELY stick to nVidia cards under Linux, at least for now. From other posts, ATI is still a ways behind on their Linux drivers. Is there any difference between a 5200 and a 6200 or a 6600 for pure Myth HDTV use? I don't care about games, simply MPEG-2 decoding. Some 6200s/6600s have component out dongles. Do any 5200s do? I have seen stuff that suggests that they can with the proper dongle. Does anybody even use it? Especially since some cards are rumored to have MPEG-2 decoding on the chip, I'd hate to buy the wrong one if the drivers would support it one day. -- Seth Heckard / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] nVidia card
Hi all, I'm cosidering bying an nVidia FX 5200 card for my mythbox since it does hardware mpeg2 decoding and has a video scaler. Any comment on using this card? Any experiences, good or bad? Cheers, -Morten -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rnseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TrnsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Morten Rønseth wrote: Hi all, I'm cosidering bying an nVidia FX 5200 card for my mythbox since it does hardware mpeg2 decoding and has a video scaler. Any comment on using this card? Any experiences, good or bad? Cheers, -Morten** -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rønseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TårnåsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users It does hardware mpeg2 decoding? Are you sure about that? -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
I would say more people use that video card for MythTV then any other card. If you want it to be quiet make sure and get one that doesn't have a fan, just a heatsink. Aaron On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:21:09 -0600, Michael J. Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morten Rønseth wrote: Hi all, I'm cosidering bying an nVidia FX 5200 card for my mythbox since it does hardware mpeg2 decoding and has a video scaler. Any comment on using this card? Any experiences, good or bad? Cheers, -Morten** -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rønseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TårnåsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users It does hardware mpeg2 decoding? Are you sure about that? -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:37:55 -0500, Aaron Aguilar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say more people use that video card for MythTV then any other card. If you want it to be quiet make sure and get one that doesn't have a fan, just a heatsink. Aaron On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:21:09 -0600, Michael J. Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morten Rønseth wrote: Hi all, I'm cosidering bying an nVidia FX 5200 card for my mythbox since it does hardware mpeg2 decoding and has a video scaler. Any comment on using this card? Any experiences, good or bad? Cheers, -Morten** -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rønseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TårnåsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users It does hardware mpeg2 decoding? Are you sure about that? -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown When I first built my system, about 2 months ago, I picked up one of these cards on ebay for $50. No fan, just a heatsink. Love it. Garry ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Cheers, -Morten Garry Cook wrote: On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:37:55 -0500, Aaron Aguilar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say more people use that video card for MythTV then any other card. If you want it to be quiet make sure and get one that doesn't have a fan, just a heatsink. Aaron On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:21:09 -0600, Michael J. Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morten Rnseth wrote: Hi all, I'm cosidering bying an nVidia FX 5200 card for my mythbox since it does hardware mpeg2 decoding and has a video scaler. Any comment on using this card? Any experiences, good or bad? Cheers, -Morten** -- --- WEB-fx Morten Lerskau Rnseth http://www.webfx.no Odinsvei 15c mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1413 TrnsenTlf.: (47) 6680 9191 Norway Mob : (47) 9343 4357 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users It does hardware mpeg2 decoding? Are you sure about that? -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown When I first built my system, about 2 months ago, I picked up one of these cards on ebay for $50. No fan, just a heatsink. Love it. Garry ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- --- WEB-fx http://www.webfx.no Morten Lerskau Rnseth mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Odinsvei 15c +47 6680 9191 1413 Trnsen+47 9343 4357 Norway ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:21:08 +0200, Morten Rønseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Garry, What make is it? I've seen various cards on ebay, some of which claim to be doing mpeg2 decoding...(which I have come to relise isn't very probable). Chances are, it's not MPEG2 Decoding, it's more MPEG2 Hardware Assistance (In other words, XvMC) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:44:41PM -0800, Brad Templeton wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:08:56PM -0800, Scott Alfter wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:42:38PM -0500, Bill Smith wrote: A couple of brands that use passive cooling on their 5200s are Gainward (in my MythTV box) and Albatron (just bought one yesterday to replace an All-In-Wonder Radeon). I bought both of these at Fry's; they're probably available elsewhere for a little less than the $70 I paid, but local availability is a Good Thing. Drivers are available for both x86 and AMD64. I got a gigabyte one for $52 a while back, check with froogle or shopper.com Passive cooling. But unable to drive my HDTV over DVI, and others report the same thing on other cards with the same chip. It works for me (the Gainward card is in the Myth box). I guess we need to ask, who is driving their HDTV with DVI at 1080i from an Nvidia FX 5200? Is everybody failing or is it just a few, ie. some combination of the card/driver and the receiver chip in some TVs? Native resolution for mine is 1280x768, so I've not tried anything different. I had a 720p modeline running on it briefly (I had another LCD briefly that wanted 720p), but I've not tried 1080i. I don't yet have a HDTV source for it, but I figure I might as well get all the pieces in place before 5 July rolls around. On a sidenote, I downloaded the HDTV samples Jarod Wilson (?) had put up a while back. I was able to get the 1080i sample to play back smoothly for the first time yesterday on a Socket 939 Athlon 64 3500, once I replaced the AIW Radeon. I suppose I could upgrade the MythTV box from its current Athlon XP 2400 to an Athlon 64, but (1) I'm having trouble getting mythfrontend running on Gentoo Linux for AMD64 and and (2) a processor upgrade would be cheaper and simpler. If I just get the fastest Athlon XP I can find (Newegg lists a Barton-core 3200 with 512K cache), will this provide smooth playback of 1080i HDTV? (The 2400 I have now plays 720p acceptably, but 1080i playback is jerky.) So you have the myth player compiled for 64 bit? Yes, but as soon as it starts playing video, the frontend crashes. I'm running 0.16, with the same ebuild (it's Gentoo) that's on the Myth box. Would be quite interested in your processor idle times on the AMD64 with the 64 bit version and the 32 bit if you are willing to try it. I need to get the frontend running first. I suppose I could just try playing the clips in mplayer or xine, but I would need to either figure out how to build 32-bit apps on an AMD64 system or copy binaries from an x86 system (the latter might be the easier way to go). I can build 32-bit binaries on x86 and install/run them on AMD64 (it's how I got LILO working), but building 32-bit binaries on AMD64 (outside a 32-bit chroot, which I haven't set up yet) is a little bit trickier. _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/ladenWhat's the most annoying thing on Usenet? pgpAVgiNmHu6r.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 08:59:24AM -0800, Scott Alfter wrote: It works for me (the Gainward card is in the Myth box). Yes, there are reports of working at 720p. What we want to find out is if anybody is doing 1080i to an HDTV over DVI/HDMI from the 5200, and if so, to what TVs. Several of us have tried to make this work and get a double vision problem where the two half-frames are out of vertical alignment by about 20 lines, I think. Progressive modes would of course not have this issue. I need to get the frontend running first. I suppose I could just try playing the clips in mplayer or xine, but I would need to either figure out how to build 32-bit apps on an AMD64 system or copy binaries from an x86 system (the latter might be the easier way to go). I can build 32-bit binaries on x86 and install/run them on AMD64 (it's how I got LILO working), but building 32-bit binaries on AMD64 (outside a 32-bit chroot, which I haven't set up yet) is a little bit trickier. I believe you just give the option -m64 or -m32 to your compiler. gcc says that -m64 still uses 32 bit int, is that normal on athlon64? In my recent hunts, I have been surprised to learn that Athlon systems, in spite of performing evenly with the faster-clocked Intel systems, seem to get lower memory bandwidth. I have two Athlon XP 3000 systems with 400mhz FSB, and 200 MHZx2 DDR memory (PC3200) and they both have much lower memory bandwidth than 3200 mb/second, while my P4 system does reach this bandwidth. I'm trying to figure if I have something configured wrong, but other benchmarks I see report the same thing. I would be curious if other folks were willing to compile lvbench (or apt-get it on debian) and try the bw_mem 100M rd test to check read bandwidth on your various systems. Or alternately, run memtest86 and see what it reports. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 12:23 -0800, Brad Templeton wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 08:59:24AM -0800, Scott Alfter wrote: It works for me (the Gainward card is in the Myth box). Yes, there are reports of working at 720p. What we want to find out is if anybody is doing 1080i to an HDTV over DVI/HDMI from the 5200, and if so, to what TVs. Several of us have tried to make this work and get a double vision problem where the two half-frames are out of vertical alignment by about 20 lines, I think. Progressive modes would of course not have this issue. I'm very interested in the description of the this problem you see when doing 1080i over a DVI/HDMI cable. I'll have to look at it again, but it seems that what you are describing is exactly what I see on my Ti4200 doing the same thing. I haven't looked at it in a while, but I always found it hard to describe the problem. Usually I just ended up calling it messed up. But I could still sort of make out images, like the nvidia logo, etc. I'm hopeful that someone will figure this out... I'd hate to have to buy a VGA-component converter when there's an all digital option... -- Aran Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 02:57:45PM -0600, Aran Cox wrote: On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 12:23 -0800, Brad Templeton wrote: On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 08:59:24AM -0800, Scott Alfter wrote: It works for me (the Gainward card is in the Myth box). Yes, there are reports of working at 720p. What we want to find out is if anybody is doing 1080i to an HDTV over DVI/HDMI from the 5200, and if so, to what TVs. Several of us have tried to make this work and get a double vision problem where the two half-frames are out of vertical alignment by about 20 lines, I think. Progressive modes would of course not have this issue. I'm very interested in the description of the this problem you see when doing 1080i over a DVI/HDMI cable. I'll have to look at it again, but it seems that what you are describing is exactly what I see on my Ti4200 doing the same thing. I haven't looked at it in a while, but I always found it hard to describe the problem. Usually I just ended up calling it messed up. But I could still sort of make out images, like the nvidia logo, etc. I'm hopeful that someone will figure this out... I'd hate to have to buy a VGA-component converter when there's an all digital option... It's a driver bug of some kind. With the very same card (FX 5200) I was able to drive the TV at 1080i in a Windows machine using the powerstrip software. I asked the powerstrip software guy for any hints of what he was doing that might be making the difference, I never heard back an answer on that. In a way, seeing that was bad for me. Had I not seen it drive the display under Windows, I would have given up much sooner, and switched to analog as I did. Instead I pounded away, hoping there was some magic modeline. Unfortunately few people report the problem in the nvnews forums, I guess because most of the people trying to do hdtv from linux are here. Go over to nvnews linux forum and add comments about it, perhaps the bug can get escalated. So what cards have people been able to get 1080i on linux over DVI to work from? One thing I have not tried is radeon cards with the ATI binary driver. Their docs said it didn't work on 2.6.9 kernel so I never tried it, but I have heard it does work so would be interested in reports from folks about that. Cards with DVI output that can do 1920x1080i in AGP 1.5v are not that common. The main vendors are Nvidia (with which we have problems) and ATI (other problems.) I guess we need a wiki database on this. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
--- Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we need to ask, who is driving their HDTV with DVI at 1080i from an Nvidia FX 5200? I am. I have a Pioneer PRO-610HD CRT based RPTV and I'm driving it with an nVidia 5200 FX at 1080i. The TV only accepts this modeline on its VGA input. CBS and NBC broadcasts at 1080i look really good. Smooth motion (except for 3:2 pulldown judders). ABC and FOX at 720p look pretty bad. Lots of motion and scaling artifacts introduced by the conversion from 720p to 1080i. Jaggies on diagonals are particularly bad. I'm using an Intel 530 (3 GHz) processor, after failing with Athlon XP 2500 and 2800 processors. I just threw money at it until it worked. Secondly, the theory is that before too long, MythTV will have nice support for xvmc. I have not heard of anyone working on this. It's a known problem but not an easy one. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 01:44:43AM -0800, Joe Barnhart wrote: --- Brad Templeton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess we need to ask, who is driving their HDTV with DVI at 1080i from an Nvidia FX 5200? I am. I have a Pioneer PRO-610HD CRT based RPTV and I'm driving it with an nVidia 5200 FX at 1080i. The TV only accepts this modeline on its VGA input. CBS and NBC broadcasts at 1080i look really good. Smooth motion (except for 3:2 pulldown judders). ABC and FOX at 720p look pretty bad. Lots of motion and scaling artifacts introduced by the conversion from 720p to 1080i. Jaggies on diagonals are particularly bad. Yes, this is annoying. I don't know what the native resolution of that CRT is, but what I found really strange was an HDTV I had which like all DLPs today had a native resolution of 1280x720, but would only take input at 1080i, not 720p. I sent it back for that an many reasons. Few TVs really have 1080 lines native resolution, though some of the CRTs do, and apparently some very high end units of other types do. In a few years, like everything this will drop. So the call continues -- I know you corrected yourself about using VGA -- anybody driving their HDTV at 1080i with DVI (or HDMI if that's what you have, since that is comaptible with DVI) I'm using an Intel 530 (3 GHz) processor, after failing with Athlon XP 2500 and 2800 processors. I just threw money at it until it worked. Actually, the Athlon XP 3000 seems able to do it, but yes, it does from time to time max out the CPU. Secondly, the theory is that before too long, MythTV will have nice support for xvmc. I have not heard of anyone working on this. It's a known problem but not an easy one. You're right, I don't know where it sits in the priority chain. The EPIA people seem really keen on it, so I presumed there was work being done on it. Since mplayer does the job just fine with xvmc, the solution does exist, one could possibly even rip out their code to some degree. Good idea in general -- I have always found it very user unfriendly that MythTV has different UIs when playing TV vs. a dvd or video (where it invokes mplayer). ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:42:38PM -0500, Bill Smith wrote: If you can find a 5200 without a fan, that would be my recommendation as a starting point. A couple of brands that use passive cooling on their 5200s are Gainward (in my MythTV box) and Albatron (just bought one yesterday to replace an All-In-Wonder Radeon). I bought both of these at Fry's; they're probably available elsewhere for a little less than the $70 I paid, but local availability is a Good Thing. Drivers are available for both x86 and AMD64. On a sidenote, I downloaded the HDTV samples Jarod Wilson (?) had put up a while back. I was able to get the 1080i sample to play back smoothly for the first time yesterday on a Socket 939 Athlon 64 3500, once I replaced the AIW Radeon. I suppose I could upgrade the MythTV box from its current Athlon XP 2400 to an Athlon 64, but (1) I'm having trouble getting mythfrontend running on Gentoo Linux for AMD64 and and (2) a processor upgrade would be cheaper and simpler. If I just get the fastest Athlon XP I can find (Newegg lists a Barton-core 3200 with 512K cache), will this provide smooth playback of 1080i HDTV? (The 2400 I have now plays 720p acceptably, but 1080i playback is jerky.) _/_ / v \ Scott Alfter (remove the obvious to send mail) (IIGS( http://alfter.us/Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/ladenWhat's the most annoying thing on Usenet? pgpfU7t5nzrwQ.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] nVidia card choices, and processors for HDTV playback
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:08:56PM -0800, Scott Alfter wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:42:38PM -0500, Bill Smith wrote: A couple of brands that use passive cooling on their 5200s are Gainward (in my MythTV box) and Albatron (just bought one yesterday to replace an All-In-Wonder Radeon). I bought both of these at Fry's; they're probably available elsewhere for a little less than the $70 I paid, but local availability is a Good Thing. Drivers are available for both x86 and AMD64. I got a gigabyte one for $52 a while back, check with froogle or shopper.com Passive cooling. But unable to drive my HDTV over DVI, and others report the same thing on other cards with the same chip. I guess we need to ask, who is driving their HDTV with DVI at 1080i from an Nvidia FX 5200? Is everybody failing or is it just a few, ie. some combination of the card/driver and the receiver chip in some TVs? On a sidenote, I downloaded the HDTV samples Jarod Wilson (?) had put up a while back. I was able to get the 1080i sample to play back smoothly for the first time yesterday on a Socket 939 Athlon 64 3500, once I replaced the AIW Radeon. I suppose I could upgrade the MythTV box from its current Athlon XP 2400 to an Athlon 64, but (1) I'm having trouble getting mythfrontend running on Gentoo Linux for AMD64 and and (2) a processor upgrade would be cheaper and simpler. If I just get the fastest Athlon XP I can find (Newegg lists a Barton-core 3200 with 512K cache), will this provide smooth playback of 1080i HDTV? (The 2400 I have now plays 720p acceptably, but 1080i playback is jerky.) So you have the myth player compiled for 64 bit? Would be quite interested in your processor idle times on the AMD64 with the 64 bit version and the 32 bit if you are willing to try it. Some programs way faster on 64 bit, some programs run _slower_. I have not tried the Ath64 myself, but experience right now has the Pentium 4 (at 3ghz) blowing away the Athlon 3000 at 2.2ghz. I expect it to possibly be _worse_ on the A64-3000 which is at 2ghz, but would be very interested in test results in both 32 bit and 64 bit mode to see if this is true. As you probably know, AMD puts Intel mhz equivalent numbers on their processors but actually runs them much slower. Their processors are better designed and so can do many applications at the same speed as the faster-clocked Pentiums. But not all applications, and mpeg clearly seems to be in the class of apps that do much, much better on a Pentium. However, that said, the Athlon XP 3000 is able to play HDTV video clips with about 20% spare CPU. (The P4 plays them with 50 to 60% spare cpu, though I am also getting better memory bandwidth on my P4 so that may be part of the issue.) Secondly, the theory is that before too long, MythTV will have nice support for xvmc. When it does, you will be able to play HDTV with just about anything, perhaps even a cheap Sempron 2000 or 2ghz Celery D. Perhaps even less than that. I have run xvmc from mplayer, and it is clean and smooth and takes only 30% of the CPU of the Athlon-3000. If you have faith in that working, then in fact you want to cut back on your processor, because more processor means more heat and more noise. Which actually might reverse the advice about AMD vs. Intel! ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
