Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
HI! Vitaly is a honest man! He is also listening here at Neonixie! Dieter - Original Message - From: micha...@aol.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!! Actually, I have dealt with him before as well with great results. I don't like to vouch for anyone, so can't for him, but I did not have an issue. If you were thinking of ordering, then why not ask Dieter or Juergen. If they say good, then you are pretty assured to have no issue. Michail In a message dated 5/21/2012 12:35:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckyl...@gmail.com writes: Well, im not going to order anything from him. Just the fact that he didnt post here or tubeclockdb.com first is really suspicious. On Monday, May 21, 2012 8:31:01 PM UTC+1, I wrote: My first instinct would be to think not, as it is just too easy to do what he suggests and to check with Dieter and Juergen. I would certainly do that, and then proceed with caution. Order small quantities and or small monetary amounts first. See if he will list on Ebay where you will have buyer protection. I've had to use the buyer protection myself perhaps fifteen times out of the 1500 or so purchases that I have bought on Ebay in the last twelve years, always with 100% success in getting my payment back. Ira. On 5/21/2012 12:04 PM, kay486 wrote: Hi there, i just recieved this email, it looks really suspicious. vitaly.n...@yandex.ua Hi I took your email from the nixies forums. Iam not a cheater you can check my reputation asking about me by Dieter Waechter or Juergen Grau. I have a good stock so I need new customers I am a supplier from Ukraine. I can offer you many tubes of IN and IV types for reasonable prices. ( I have IN-1, IN-2, IN-3, IN-4, IN-8, IN-8-2, IN-9, IN-12, IN-13, IN-14, IN-15, IN-16, IN-17, IN-19, and many types of IV-tubes like IV-1, IV-2, IV-3, IV-4, IV-18 and other. I work with companies like PV Electronics, Nocrotec, Juergen Grau, so I have clear reputation. If you have interest in please let me know. Best regards Vitaly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/r6Heopw2gWYJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/b0n2WsJ4MrEJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:25:39 AM UTC+1, Nocrotec wrote: HI! Vitaly is a honest man! He is also listening here at Neonixie! Dieter Ah ok, my bad. I dont want to ruin his reputation then. The reason i had dounbts about it, was that he contacted me directly. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/3Cs5hXo7mqcJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
My first instinct would be to think not, as it is just too easy to do what he suggests and to check with Dieter and Juergen. I would certainly do that, and then proceed with caution. Order small quantities and or small monetary amounts first. See if he will list on Ebay where you will have buyer protection. I've had to use the buyer protection myself perhaps fifteen times out of the 1500 or so purchases that I have bought on Ebay in the last twelve years, always with 100% success in getting my payment back. Ira. On 5/21/2012 12:04 PM, kay486 wrote: Hi there, i just recieved this email, it looks really suspicious. vitaly.n...@yandex.ua Hi I took your email from the nixies forums. Iam not a cheater you can check my reputation asking about me by Dieter Waechter or Juergen Grau. I have a good stock so I need new customers I am a supplier from Ukraine. I can offer you many tubes of IN and IV types for reasonable prices. ( I have IN-1, IN-2, IN-3, IN-4, IN-8, IN-8-2, IN-9, IN-12, IN-13, IN-14, IN-15, IN-16, IN-17, IN-19, and many types of IV-tubes like IV-1, IV-2, IV-3, IV-4, IV-18 and other. I work with companies like PV Electronics, Nocrotec, Juergen Grau, so I have clear reputation. If you have interest in please let me know. Best regards Vitaly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/r6Heopw2gWYJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. attachment: IRACOSALES.vcf
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Well, im not going to order anything from him. Just the fact that he didnt post here or tubeclockdb.com first is really suspicious. On Monday, May 21, 2012 8:31:01 PM UTC+1, I wrote: My first instinct would be to think not, as it is just too easy to do what he suggests and to check with Dieter and Juergen. I would certainly do that, and then proceed with caution. Order small quantities and or small monetary amounts first. See if he will list on Ebay where you will have buyer protection. I've had to use the buyer protection myself perhaps fifteen times out of the 1500 or so purchases that I have bought on Ebay in the last twelve years, always with 100% success in getting my payment back. Ira. On 5/21/2012 12:04 PM, kay486 wrote: Hi there, i just recieved this email, it looks really suspicious. vitaly.n...@yandex.ua Hi I took your email from the nixies forums. Iam not a cheater you can check my reputation asking about me by Dieter Waechter or Juergen Grau. I have a good stock so I need new customers I am a supplier from Ukraine. I can offer you many tubes of IN and IV types for reasonable prices. ( I have IN-1, IN-2, IN-3, IN-4, IN-8, IN-8-2, IN-9, IN-12, IN-13, IN-14, IN-15, IN-16, IN-17, IN-19, and many types of IV-tubes like IV-1, IV-2, IV-3, IV-4, IV-18 and other. I work with companies like PV Electronics, Nocrotec, Juergen Grau, so I have clear reputation. If you have interest in please let me know. Best regards Vitaly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/r6Heopw2gWYJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/b0n2WsJ4MrEJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Actually, I have dealt with him before as well with great results. I don't like to vouch for anyone, so can't for him, but I did not have an issue. If you were thinking of ordering, then why not ask Dieter or Juergen. If they say good, then you are pretty assured to have no issue. Michail In a message dated 5/21/2012 12:35:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, luckyl...@gmail.com writes: Well, im not going to order anything from him. Just the fact that he didnt post here or tubeclockdb.com first is really suspicious. On Monday, May 21, 2012 8:31:01 PM UTC+1, I wrote: My first instinct would be to think not, as it is just too easy to do what he suggests and to check with Dieter and Juergen. I would certainly do that, and then proceed with caution. Order small quantities and or small monetary amounts first. See if he will list on Ebay where you will have buyer protection. I've had to use the buyer protection myself perhaps fifteen times out of the 1500 or so purchases that I have bought on Ebay in the last twelve years, always with 100% success in getting my payment back. Ira. On 5/21/2012 12:04 PM, kay486 wrote: Hi there, i just recieved this email, it looks really suspicious. _vitaly.nart@yandex.ua_ (mailto:vitaly.n...@yandex.ua) Hi I took your email from the nixies forums. Iam not a cheater you can check my reputation asking about me by Dieter Waechter or Juergen Grau. I have a good stock so I need new customers I am a supplier from Ukraine. I can offer you many tubes of IN and IV types for reasonable prices. ( I have IN-1, IN-2, IN-3, IN-4, IN-8, IN-8-2, IN-9, IN-12, IN-13, IN-14, IN-15, IN-16, IN-17, IN-19, and many types of IV-tubes like IV-1, IV-2, IV-3, IV-4, IV-18 and other. I work with companies like PV Electronics, Nocrotec, Juergen Grau, so I have clear reputation. If you have interest in please let me know. Best regards Vitaly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit _https://groups.google.com/d/https://groups.google.com/d/_ (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/r6Heopw2gWYJ) . To post to this group, send an email to _neonixie-l@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com) . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _neonixie-l+unsubscribe@neonixie-l+unsub_ (mailto:neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . For more options, visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/http://groups.google.com/_ (http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB) . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit _https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/b0n2WsJ4MrEJ_ (https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/b0n2WsJ4MrEJ) . To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Another scam happened: http://snipurl.com/23l2d7o Unbelieveable! Ebay.com DOES NOTHING!!! against it! Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Paypal will only be able to take the money back if it is still in the account. So, such a scam works in that he sells item. You pay for it. He pulls money out. A month later, you realize you aren't getting product, so you file a claim. Judgement is in your favor, but unfortunately, there is no money to get back. So, you win, but get nothing. The only way to be sure is: Transfer your money out or to your wifes account. When you pay, have it pull from a credit card. (Then your wife can refund the money back to you - Effectively purchasing the item with a CC instead of paypal balance.) After the above happens (claim, win, get nothing), you then file a claim with your CC company and they do a chargeback against paypal and that is how you get your money back. I am speaking from Experience (not with that ebay seller). After getting screwed the first time several years ago, I do the above for any larger purchase. This is not to say that the seller could get a tracking number on a shipment to you with an empty box. I have had this happen a few times as well. Paypal simply denied my claim, but at least I got a couple of pretty boxes which are empty. Many possible scams. Michail In a message dated 5/17/2012 2:06:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, marcin.r.adam...@gmail.com writes: The 'matveynaibay' sells IN-18's on Ebay again. Again they are dirt cheap. But how this scam works? I understand that Ebay/PayPal would reimburse my purchase if I didn't get the item. They would simply take the money back from his PayPal account. So, how their scam works? Also, Dieter: On May 16 you have warned us about this seller. But they started at Ebay only one day earlier on May 15! How comes? What am I missing? I almost clicked 'buy it now'. I assumed this is a new seller who wants to build up a reputation first and that's why sells so cheap. Then recalled this discussion. Marcin On 16 May, 21:52, Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com wrote: Hi! I must warn you of another seller who offers IN-18 Nixie tubes cheap but does never ship!!! Ebay ID: matveynaibay All other data: unknown DO NOT BUY FROM HIM I guess he is part of the Ukrain Nixie cheater mafia!! Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
matveynaibay has 0 feedbacks. That should be a BIG RED FLAG not to buy. I never buy from anyone on ebay with less than 98 positive out of every 100 feedbacks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/zVR9XZQjKkMJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
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.. and even then, I always have a look at those 2 negative feedbacks. If the seller has 99.995% feedback but the handful of negs in the past month look really crooked, I won't buy. Also, at this point, I pretty much won't buy anything from a seller that is in NJ. I don't know why, but NJ is quickly turning into the Nigeria of the US. -Adam On 5/17/2012 11:07 AM, coggs wrote: matveynaibay has 0 feedbacks. That should be a BIG RED FLAG not to buy. I never buy from anyone on ebay with less than 98 positive out of every 100 feedbacks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To view this discussion on the web, visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/neonixie-l/-/zVR9XZQjKkMJ. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Also, Dieter: On May 16 you have warned us about this seller. But they started at Ebay only one day earlier on May 15! How comes? What am I missing? Well, you see I am well-informed about that very quickly. The reason is that I have friends in Russia and Ukrain. And I think I know all important tube sellers there. All of those are honest people, and they know abut the new scam coming up with Nixie tubes. The sellers already know that this is poison for their business and they claim it aswell. One of these looks like he knows more about that - and he immediately informs me about new actions of the gang. I'm counting on all honest Ukrain sellers - and I hope they will help me stopping the gang. It must be done from there - not from outside. I can't tell you more about it, since I'm not sure who is listening here. Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Hi! Paypal will only be able to take the money back if it is still in the account. Are you sure? I think they can take the money back. If there is no balance in the account, and Paypal decides to refund to the buyer, the balance of the receiver will get negative. Am I right? So, such a scam works in that he sells item. You pay for it. He pulls money out. A month later, you realize you aren't getting product, so you file a claim. Judgement is in your favor, but unfortunately, there is no money to get back. So, you win, but get nothing. Can anyone confirm that? This is not to say that the seller could get a tracking number on a shipment to you with an empty box. I have had this happen a few times as well. Paypal simply denied my claim, but at least I got a couple of pretty boxes which are empty. Many possible scams. I can also not confirm that. I have had a broken Super high voltage power supply with a small defect. I proofed it with a video, and got back half of the money of my own estimation of what the unit is worth with the defect. If an empty box would have been sent (never had that) - I think Paypal surey would refund. The trick of the gangsters is different (see my recent emails for the explination) Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Are you sure? - Yes If there is no balance in the account, and Paypal decides to refund to the buyer, the balance of the receiver will get negative. - You can't have a negative balance. Paypal is not a credit system. That's why it is a DEBIT account. You must have money in the account to buy something (unless you sign up for the actual Credit Card). Think of Paypal as a DEBIT card you can buy at a grocery store - like gift card. You have no money means you can not spend any. Am I right? - No Empty box: You think paypal would give you money back simply saying the box was empty? Heh. Try it. They are not fools either. If they started that, then everyone would be claiming empty box. Of course ebay will mark the sellers account, so that if several claims are made against a seller, they will then look into the seller as bad and possibly do something about it. Another scam issue is proof of shipping. If you don't ship with ONLINE trackable proof (UPS tracking, USPS delivery confirmation), then you as a seller will automatically lose any claim against you. Again, speaking from experience. (I sell a LOT on ebay - my ebay IDs have over 16000 feedback, so I have had to deal with MANY issues). Another thing to noteIf UPS or USPS loses a package, meaning I ship from Seattle to Sacramento, but UPS loses the package at the hub, then the person will win the claim. Even though I have proof of shipping and tracking to the destination city, but it didn't arrive at the house - paypal will award the buyer the money (Even though the buyer refused shipping insurance). - To make it worse... UPS (a month later) finds the package and delivers it (this time a keyboard to Los Angeles), paypal having already found in favor of the buyer will not give the funds back to the seller. (So, seller is out the product and the money, while the buyer will get both. - Even worse, the seller has the negative feedback from they buyer that ebay will not remove even though the buyer got his money and product. Yes, I got more. Signed - NotBitterAtPaypal PS. Sorry for the long post. In a message dated 5/17/2012 2:18:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@nocrotec.com writes: Hi! Paypal will only be able to take the money back if it is still in the account. Are you sure? I think they can take the money back. If there is no balance in the account, and Paypal decides to refund to the buyer, the balance of the receiver will get negative. Am I right? So, such a scam works in that he sells item. You pay for it. He pulls money out. A month later, you realize you aren't getting product, so you file a claim. Judgement is in your favor, but unfortunately, there is no money to get back. So, you win, but get nothing. Can anyone confirm that? This is not to say that the seller could get a tracking number on a shipment to you with an empty box. I have had this happen a few times as well. Paypal simply denied my claim, but at least I got a couple of pretty boxes which are empty. Many possible scams. I can also not confirm that. I have had a broken Super high voltage power supply with a small defect. I proofed it with a video, and got back half of the money of my own estimation of what the unit is worth with the defect. If an empty box would have been sent (never had that) - I think Paypal surey would refund. The trick of the gangsters is different (see my recent emails for the explination) Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Thanks Michail, that was very informative! - Original Message - From: micha...@aol.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!! snip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
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- You can't have a negative balance. Michail, it looks loke you are wrong (not sure)... but many notes at the internet tell that a negtive balance is possible. Look one example here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=585995 Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
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I can confirm that, happened to me some time ago: I used a separate bank account for all my Ebay stuff (and this was the bank account assigned to PayPal), and I forgot to wire money there. When I paid with PayPal for some auction the money got sent but I got a notification that my bank account (the one I used for PayPal) was not covered, so I had a negative balance. PayPal gave me two weeks to wire money to my account in order to even out the negative balance. Jens - You can't have a negative balance. Michail, it looks loke you are wrong (not sure)... but many notes at the internet tell that a negtive balance is possible. Look one example here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=585995 Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
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Dieter, My point is that YOU (as a seller) will NOT get the money. Really, the scammer now has a negative balance? What matters is that you are scammed the money and will NOT get it back from the fake paypal account. And, even after you won the claim which they have no money, it is done. If they later add money to their account, paypal doesn't come back later and say, look what we got for you. I will find a couple of such paypal emails I have received about 'winning claim, but no funds available' and forward to you. - I will forward them directly to you. I can create a second email account. aol/yahoo/gmail, etc. Use a stolen credit card, buy a clock from you. 2 months later, a charge back happens from the CC company to paypal. Paypal then charges against the account. The fake paypal account is then stopped, but you can't collect because it would have been from a stolen card (chargeback) - This is why bitcoin is being saught after. Even dwolla payments now have chargebacks (they changed their TOS because they used to say no chargebacks). Michail In a message dated 5/17/2012 3:03:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@nocrotec.com writes: Michail, it looks loke you are wrong (not sure)... but many notes at the internet tell that a negtive balance is possible. Look one example here: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=585995 Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Issue is we are comparing legit negative balance to scam negative balance. A scammed negative doesn't matter. The person scammed can't collect from a scammer. Like Jens said. He bought ebay stuff. Now, if he didn't wire money into his account (if he was a scammer), he still would have received the stuff he bought on ebay, and not have paid anything. Those people would have been scammed. Paypal would have taken the money back from them. They would not have the product or the money. Michail Your PayPal account can have a negative balance if: * You tried to make a payment with your bank account, but the payment didn't go through. * There wasn't enough money in your PayPal account to cover a purchase. * An unauthorized payment was made from your PayPal account. * We issued a refund from your account to cover a buyer complaint. * We reversed a payment that wasn't eligible for PayPal Seller Protection. In a message dated 5/17/2012 3:18:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webmas...@jb-electronics.de writes: I can confirm that, happened to me some time ago: I used a separate bank account for all my Ebay stuff (and this was the bank account assigned to PayPal), and I forgot to wire money there. When I paid with PayPal for some auction the money got sent but I got a notification that my bank account (the one I used for PayPal) was not covered, so I had a negative balance. PayPal gave me two weeks to wire money to my account in order to even out the negative balance. Jens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Hi! My point is that YOU (as a seller) will NOT get the money. Well, but I am the buyer I can create a second email account. aol/yahoo/gmail, etc. Use a stolen credit card, buy a clock from you. 2 months later, a charge back happens from the CC company to paypal. Paypal then charges against the account. The fake paypal account is then stopped, but you can't collect because it would have been from a stolen card (chargeback) - This is why bitcoin is being saught after. Even dwolla payments now have chargebacks (they changed their TOS because they used to say no chargebacks). Hm. I had this case also (here as a seller), and the Paypal seller protection gave me back the money, since I sent the package registered, to a confirmed Address, within the given time period. But I know - you are right - if one of these 3 things do not apply, Paypal will not give you back the money. Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
OK, then we got it now: We issued a refund from your account to cover a buyer complaint. That is what I meant first. Dieter - Original Message - From: micha...@aol.com To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!! Issue is we are comparing legit negative balance to scam negative balance. A scammed negative doesn't matter. The person scammed can't collect from a scammer. Like Jens said. He bought ebay stuff. Now, if he didn't wire money into his account (if he was a scammer), he still would have received the stuff he bought on ebay, and not have paid anything. Those people would have been scammed. Paypal would have taken the money back from them. They would not have the product or the money. Michail Your PayPal account can have a negative balance if: a.. You tried to make a payment with your bank account, but the payment didn't go through. b.. There wasn't enough money in your PayPal account to cover a purchase. c.. An unauthorized payment was made from your PayPal account. d.. We issued a refund from your account to cover a buyer complaint. e.. We reversed a payment that wasn't eligible for PayPal Seller Protection. In a message dated 5/17/2012 3:18:15 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webmas...@jb-electronics.de writes: I can confirm that, happened to me some time ago: I used a separate bank account for all my Ebay stuff (and this was the bank account assigned to PayPal), and I forgot to wire money there. When I paid with PayPal for some auction the money got sent but I got a notification that my bank account (the one I used for PayPal) was not covered, so I had a negative balance. PayPal gave me two weeks to wire money to my account in order to even out the negative balance. Jens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Ok - not to drag it on, we can all agree that dealing with scammers and paypal go hand in hand. Just be careful. There is always an angle. What's even more funny about this paypal stuff is that I just got an email from a friend in Germany. She states that she is starting her new job at Paypal in June. Ug. Well, now I might have an IN. Ha! :) Michail 206-920-6312 In a message dated 5/17/2012 4:10:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@nocrotec.com writes: OK, then we got it now: We issued a refund from your account to cover a buyer complaint. That is what I meant first. Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Wow, His auction ended with a buy now and immediately relisted. A couple of times. So fast that it doesn't even show in his selling history. At only $26.50 per tube, I am even tempted to get screwed on that one. Ok, maybe not. Michail In a message dated 5/16/2012 12:53:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, i...@nocrotec.com writes: Hi! I must warn you of another seller who offers IN-18 Nixie tubes cheap but does never ship!!! Ebay ID: matveynaibay All other data: unknown DO NOT BUY FROM HIM I guess he is part of the Ukrain Nixie cheater mafia!! Dieter PS: please also note the following warnings: - Original Message - From: Dieter Waechter i...@nocrotec.com To: Neonixies neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!! Hi! I must warn you of another seller who offers IN-18 Nixie tubes cheap but does never ship!!! Ebay ID: petrovpavel1009 All other data: unknown DO NOT BUY FROM HIM I guess he is part of the Ukrain Nixie cheater mafia!! Dieter PS: please also note the following warnings: Hi! Be aware of the following Person who sells IN-18 tubes but does not ship!!! Ebay ID: gennadiy.yakimovsky Name: Gennadiy Yakimovskiy City: Perm Street: Tumakova 95 Country: Russian Federation ZIP: 615315 Of course these data are fake. It looks like he is part of the cheater gang from Ukrain. Dieter And this one: Attention! Be careful - Nixie tube cheaters! Hi Nixie Friends! I must warn you of the following persons who offered me IN-18 Nixie tubes, which I paid, but never received. They did not answer me, although I was waiting for more than one month. And more: I saw they sell further at ebay, but do not answer any requests from me also if asked over Ebay. One of the gangsters called me, but now that telephone numbers are dead. The data of the persons are: Ebay ID: vogavoga Email addresses they use: pbogdal (at) gmail.com voga_voga (at) yahoo.com raul_frey (at) yahoo.com pbogdal (at) googlemail.com sales (at) vogavoga.com aleksandrar (at) ukr.net Names Adresses they use: Raul Frey, 45 Esquire Drv., 90245 CA, USA, Phone : +1-2069059585, +44(0)2069059585, Fax : +1 555 3653, Webpage: http://vogavoga.com Notes: Fax number is fake. 555 prefix is always on the movies as a fake phone number. Main number is 206, which is a Seattle, WA phone number google maps: There is no such address as: 45 Esquire Drive, El Segundo, CA 90245 Actually, there is not even an Esquire Drive, Blvd, Street, Ave, or Court in El Segundo. Registrant: Aleksandra Manilova, Poliakova 3a, flat 111, Zaporozhye, Zaporizka obl 69098, Ukraine, aleksandrar (at) ukr.net, Phone: +380662733023 Other Names and addresses they use: Kostyantyn Shugaylo, Lenina ave.149, flat.74, 69035 Zaporizhie, Ukraine owner of flat is: Артемова Н.В Ленина Пр., дом 149, кв. 74 Artemova N.V., Lenina ave.149, flat. 74 Phone: +380612348803 Piotr Bogdal, unkown address, Poland Unona Oliynik, 12 aprelia, 69035 Zaporizhie, Ukraine Be careful! Do not buy from them! Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Yes, because we all want Nixie tubes with a single element (Our Name). So, I would like to purchase 1x Nixie - Michail Those come with various fonts? Michail In a message dated 5/16/2012 1:31:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webmas...@jb-electronics.de writes: There are so many people around trying to make their own Nixie tubes, if I were you I would just wait a year or so and then benefit from the Neonixie-family discount... Only kidding, but I am curious how far along you other guys are on making tubes. Jens Wow, His auction ended with a buy now and immediately relisted. A couple of times. So fast that it doesn't even show in his selling history. At only $26.50 per tube, I am even tempted to get screwed on that one. Ok, maybe not. Michail In a message dated 5/16/2012 12:53:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _info@nocrotec.com_ (mailto:i...@nocrotec.com) writes: Hi! I must warn you of another seller who offers IN-18 Nixie tubes cheap but does never ship!!! Ebay ID: matveynaibay All other data: unknown DO NOT BUY FROM HIM I guess he is part of the Ukrain Nixie cheater mafia!! Dieter PS: please also note the following warnings: - Original Message - From: Dieter Waechter _i...@nocrotec.com_ (mailto:i...@nocrotec.com) To: Neonixies _neonixie-l@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!! Hi! I must warn you of another seller who offers IN-18 Nixie tubes cheap but does never ship!!! Ebay ID: petrovpavel1009 All other data: unknown DO NOT BUY FROM HIM I guess he is part of the Ukrain Nixie cheater mafia!! Dieter PS: please also note the following warnings: Hi! Be aware of the following Person who sells IN-18 tubes but does not ship!!! Ebay ID: gennadiy.yakimovsky Name: Gennadiy Yakimovskiy City: Perm Street: Tumakova 95 Country: Russian Federation ZIP: 615315 Of course these data are fake. It looks like he is part of the cheater gang from Ukrain. Dieter And this one: Attention! Be careful - Nixie tube cheaters! Hi Nixie Friends! I must warn you of the following persons who offered me IN-18 Nixie tubes, which I paid, but never received. They did not answer me, although I was waiting for more than one month. And more: I saw they sell further at ebay, but do not answer any requests from me also if asked over Ebay. One of the gangsters called me, but now that telephone numbers are dead. The data of the persons are: Ebay ID: vogavoga Email addresses they use: pbogdal (at) gmail.com voga_voga (at) yahoo.com raul_frey (at) yahoo.com pbogdal (at) googlemail.com sales (at) vogavoga.com aleksandrar (at) ukr.net Names Adresses they use: Raul Frey, 45 Esquire Drv., 90245 CA, USA, Phone : +1-2069059585, +44(0)2069059585, Fax : +1 555 3653, Webpage: _http://vogavoga.com_ (http://vogavoga.com/) Notes: Fax number is fake. 555 prefix is always on the movies as a fake phone number. Main number is 206, which is a Seattle, WA phone number google maps: There is no such address as: 45 Esquire Drive, El Segundo, CA 90245 Actually, there is not even an Esquire Drive, Blvd, Street, Ave, or Court in El Segundo. Registrant: Aleksandra Manilova, Poliakova 3a, flat 111, Zaporozhye, Zaporizka obl 69098, Ukraine, aleksandrar (at) ukr.net, Phone: +380662733023 Other Names and addresses they use: Kostyantyn Shugaylo, Lenina ave.149, flat.74, 69035 Zaporizhie, Ukraine owner of flat is: Артемова Н.В Ленина Пр., дом 149, кв. 74 Artemova N.V., Lenina ave.149, flat. 74 Phone: +380612348803 Piotr Bogdal, unkown address, Poland Unona Oliynik, 12 aprelia, 69035 Zaporizhie, Ukraine Be careful! Do not buy from them! Dieter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to _neonixie-l@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com) . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _neonixie-l+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . For more options, visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB_ (http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB) . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to _neonixie-l@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com) . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to _neonixie-l+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com) . For more options, visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB_ (http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB) . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Don't say that. I just bought 100 tubes and now I hope they will arrive. I was given a tracking number so will watch it currently. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Tony Adams sa...@amt-electronics.com wrote: Hi, Very good advice, I've had to do so in the past with a couple of other sellers and have had no problems to date with ebay and paypal issuing a refund. The problem this time was I trusted the seller to sort it out. I know better for next time and it's a shame I'll now have to be a bit more suspicious when there is a problem, even with sellers I've trusted in the past. Dieter, the seller is polivoks-russia. Tony. On Apr 18, 3:48 am, Adam Jacobs a...@jacobs.us wrote: Always use the ebay resolution center. Never let a claim lapse. I would take this as an $80 lesson and be glad that it wasn't far more money. :) If you let the claim lapse, you are telling ebay that you no longer have a dispute. I always start the resolution center case _immediately_ whenever anything starts to go wrong. It is often good at lighting a fire under the seller, even in the best of circumstances. If they respond but they aren't solving it, then escalate it to ebay customer service. They _ALWAYS_ favor the buyer. -Adam On 4/17/2012 6:13 PM, Tony Adams wrote: Over the last few months I have bought a number of parcels of IV11s from an ebay seller who regularly posts them in lots of 100. They arrived well packed and without difficulties so I had no worries when asked to buy a batch directly. I bought 2 further parcels through ebay after that direct purchase which arrived OK but no sign of the batch bought directly. I opened a paypal case and was told it would be sorted out 'we have traded many times trust us' so I let the claim lapse. Of course nothing arrived and requests for tracking numbers for that parcel have been unanswered so I'm out of pocket for 100x IV11 tubes. I've also now been blocked from bidding on their items which has the effect of preventing me contacting the seller through ebay. Very disappointing as it was such a small purchase, why bother doing that for less than $80?.. On Apr 9, 9:37 am, Dieter Waechteri...@nocrotec.com wrote: Attention Attention!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Always use the ebay resolution center. Never let a claim lapse. I would take this as an $80 lesson and be glad that it wasn't far more money. :) If you let the claim lapse, you are telling ebay that you no longer have a dispute. I always start the resolution center case _immediately_ whenever anything starts to go wrong. It is often good at lighting a fire under the seller, even in the best of circumstances. If they respond but they aren't solving it, then escalate it to ebay customer service. They _ALWAYS_ favor the buyer. -Adam On 4/17/2012 6:13 PM, Tony Adams wrote: Over the last few months I have bought a number of parcels of IV11s from an ebay seller who regularly posts them in lots of 100. They arrived well packed and without difficulties so I had no worries when asked to buy a batch directly. I bought 2 further parcels through ebay after that direct purchase which arrived OK but no sign of the batch bought directly. I opened a paypal case and was told it would be sorted out 'we have traded many times trust us' so I let the claim lapse. Of course nothing arrived and requests for tracking numbers for that parcel have been unanswered so I'm out of pocket for 100x IV11 tubes. I've also now been blocked from bidding on their items which has the effect of preventing me contacting the seller through ebay. Very disappointing as it was such a small purchase, why bother doing that for less than $80?.. On Apr 9, 9:37 am, Dieter Waechteri...@nocrotec.com wrote: Attention Attention!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!!
Ccay you tell us the Ebay ID and all other data please? Thanks Dieter - Original Message - From: Tony Adams sa...@amt-electronics.com To: neonixie-l neonixie-l@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:13 AM Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Attention!! NEW Nixie tube cheater at Ebay!!! Over the last few months I have bought a number of parcels of IV11s from an ebay seller who regularly posts them in lots of 100. They arrived well packed and without difficulties so I had no worries when asked to buy a batch directly. I bought 2 further parcels through ebay after that direct purchase which arrived OK but no sign of the batch bought directly. I opened a paypal case and was told it would be sorted out 'we have traded many times trust us' so I let the claim lapse. Of course nothing arrived and requests for tracking numbers for that parcel have been unanswered so I'm out of pocket for 100x IV11 tubes. I've also now been blocked from bidding on their items which has the effect of preventing me contacting the seller through ebay. Very disappointing as it was such a small purchase, why bother doing that for less than $80?.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups neonixie-l group. To post to this group, send an email to neonixie-l@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to neonixie-l+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/neonixie-l?hl=en-GB.
