Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-03 Thread AGF poemproducer 
I think these women mostly refer to not becoming mothers
put workforce into something else
and not reproducing and not bearing children

as far as i understand

i think in fact it could benefit nature also

just if we think we are not nature

which i think we are actually
and i lobve my child moe than anything in the world

my fav part is when Paul Stamets says 
that earth invented the internet so it can safe itself
http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world 


so … its techno FEMINISM

so does not refer to men’s actions

but to womens control i think

interesting

> On 03 May 2016, at 17:07, Tom Kohut  wrote:
> 
> While there are obviously damaging changes to "nature" (as though the meaning 
> of that terms was obvious and univocal), not all "changing nature" is morally 
> wrong, surely. (The eradication of smallpox, for example, seems to me to be 
> an unambiguously good and progressive action). 
> 
> Tom
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 3, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> agree. we _are_ changing nature at an increasingly accelerated rate.
>> the damage is irreversible.
>> - alan
>> 
>>> On Tue, 3 May 2016, Annie Abrahams wrote:
>>> 
>>> for me it seems as if you are all dreaming
>>> please smile at your neighbour in the morning
>>> Annie
>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:59 PM, ruth catlow 
>>> wrote:
>>> This all rather got away from me this week :-(
>>> Every post is bursting with so much juice.
>>> 
>>> But this is a cause for great cheer!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> and a Promethean feminism:
>>> 
>>> "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge
>>> of injustice, or a basis for any political justification
>>> whatsoever!
>>> If nature is unjust, change nature!"
>>> 
>>> (Xenofeminist music is a thing:
>>> https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e )
>>> 
>>> Thank you all for everything so far.
>>> 
>>> :)
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Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-03 Thread Tom Kohut 
While there are obviously damaging changes to "nature" (as though the meaning 
of that terms was obvious and univocal), not all "changing nature" is morally 
wrong, surely. (The eradication of smallpox, for example, seems to me to be an 
unambiguously good and progressive action). 

Tom

Sent from my iPad

> On May 3, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> agree. we _are_ changing nature at an increasingly accelerated rate.
> the damage is irreversible.
> - alan
> 
>> On Tue, 3 May 2016, Annie Abrahams wrote:
>> 
>> for me it seems as if you are all dreaming
>> please smile at your neighbour in the morning
>> Annie
>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:59 PM, ruth catlow 
>> wrote:
>>  This all rather got away from me this week :-(
>>  Every post is bursting with so much juice.
>> 
>>  But this is a cause for great cheer!
>> 
>>  
>>  and a Promethean feminism:
>> 
>>  "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge
>>  of injustice, or a basis for any political justification
>>  whatsoever!
>>  If nature is unjust, change nature!"
>> 
>>  (Xenofeminist music is a thing:
>>  https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e )
>>  
>>  Thank you all for everything so far.
>> 
>>  :)
>>  Ruth
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>> languages", and finds that not only does it demonstrate a brilliant history
>> in performance art, but, it is also a sharp and poetic critique about
>> language and everyday culture.
>> New project with Daniel Pinheiro and Lisa Parra : Distant Feeling(s)
> 
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Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-03 Thread Alan Sondheim 



agree. we _are_ changing nature at an increasingly accelerated rate.
the damage is irreversible.
- alan

On Tue, 3 May 2016, Annie Abrahams wrote:


for me it seems as if you are all dreaming


please smile at your neighbour in the morning
Annie



On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:59 PM, ruth catlow 
wrote:
  This all rather got away from me this week :-(
  Every post is bursting with so much juice.


  But this is a cause for great cheer!

  
  and a Promethean feminism:

  "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge
  of injustice, or a basis for any political justification
  whatsoever!
  If nature is unjust, change nature!"

  (Xenofeminist music is a thing:
  https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e )
  
  Thank you all for everything so far.

  :)
  Ruth


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Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-03 Thread AGF poemproducer 
Annie, i think for many young women this is really a real discussion
and it is because they are poor or not making enough of a living in fact
in a western world

they invest in education and they are insanely smart… yes
but they see the deep disfuntionality of the system
and the way of the middle class is their rejection

i am not saying they are right
just wanted to send stuff out

i think all thoughts are relevant

hugs

> On 03 May 2016, at 13:54, Annie Abrahams  wrote:
> 
> as if you started everything alll over again
> 
> the thoughts seem elitist to me
> 
> as if you forgot to be human
> 
> I feel a big hatred for what seems pretentious to me
> 
> I want concrete divers ideas, propositions of how to act, behave now
> 
> The discussion, made me remember the quarrels between the troskist and 
> leninist fractions at the university 
> and then I thought I have had this once, not again
> don't dream
> 
> please smile on your neighbour in the morning
> 
> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Annie Abrahams  > wrote:
> for me it seems as if you are all dreaming
> 
> 
> please smile at your neighbour in the morning
> Annie
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:59 PM, ruth catlow  > wrote:
> This all rather got away from me this week :-(
> Every post is bursting with so much juice.
> 
> 
> But this is a cause for great cheer!
> 
> 
> and a Promethean feminism: 
> 
> "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge of injustice, 
> or a basis for any political justification whatsoever! 
> If nature is unjust, change nature!" 
> 
> (Xenofeminist music is a thing: 
> https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e 
>  ) 
> 
> Thank you all for everything so far.
> 
> :)
> Ruth
> 
> 
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> 
>  from "estranger to e-stranger: Living in between languages", and finds that 
> not only does it demonstrate a brilliant history in performance art, but, it 
> is also a sharp and poetic critique about language and everyday culture. 
> 
> New project with Daniel Pinheiro and Lisa Parra : Distant Feeling(s)  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Gretta Louw reviews my book 
> 
>  from "estranger to e-stranger: Living in between languages", and finds that 
> not only does it demonstrate a brilliant history in performance art, but, it 
> is also a sharp and poetic critique about language and everyday culture. 
> 
> New project with Daniel Pinheiro and Lisa Parra : Distant Feeling(s)  
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Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-03 Thread Annie Abrahams 
as if you started everything alll over again

the thoughts seem elitist to me

as if you forgot to be human

I feel a big hatred for what seems pretentious to me

I want concrete divers ideas, propositions of how to act, behave *now*

The discussion, made me remember the quarrels between the troskist and
leninist fractions at the university
and then I thought I have had this once, not again
don't dream

please smile on your neighbour in the morning

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Annie Abrahams  wrote:

> for me it seems as if you are all dreaming
>
>
> please smile at your neighbour in the morning
> Annie
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:59 PM, ruth catlow 
> wrote:
>
>> This all rather got away from me this week :-(
>> Every post is bursting with so much juice.
>>
>>
>> But this is a cause for great cheer!
>>
>> 
>> and a Promethean feminism:
>>
>> "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge of
>> injustice, or a basis for any political justification whatsoever!
>> If nature is unjust, change nature!"
>>
>> (Xenofeminist music is a thing:
>> https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e )
>> 
>> Thank you all for everything so far.
>>
>> :)
>> Ruth
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Gretta Louw reviews my book
> 
> from "estranger to e-stranger: Living in between languages", and finds that
> not only does it demonstrate a brilliant history in performance art, but,
> it is also a sharp and poetic critique about language and everyday culture.
>
> New project with Daniel Pinheiro and Lisa Parra : Distant Feeling(s)
> 
>



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it is also a sharp and poetic critique about language and everyday culture.

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Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-03 Thread Annie Abrahams 
for me it seems as if you are all dreaming


please smile at your neighbour in the morning
Annie



On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:59 PM, ruth catlow 
wrote:

> This all rather got away from me this week :-(
> Every post is bursting with so much juice.
>
>
> But this is a cause for great cheer!
>
> 
> and a Promethean feminism:
>
> "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge of
> injustice, or a basis for any political justification whatsoever!
> If nature is unjust, change nature!"
>
> (Xenofeminist music is a thing:
> https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e )
> 
> Thank you all for everything so far.
>
> :)
> Ruth
>
>
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it is also a sharp and poetic critique about language and everyday culture.

New project with Daniel Pinheiro and Lisa Parra : Distant Feeling(s)

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Re: [NetBehaviour] "If nature is unjust, change nature!" Re: Accelerationism

2016-05-02 Thread AGF poemproducer 
fyi

xenofeminism manifesto
http://www.laboriacuboniks.net/ 

and this ...
http://www.nts.live/shows/guests/episodes/agf-w-rojava-15th-april-2016 



best agee

> On 02 May 2016, at 18:59, ruth catlow  wrote:
> 
> This all rather got away from me this week :-(
> Every post is bursting with so much juice.
> 
> 
> But this is a cause for great cheer!
> 
> 
> and a Promethean feminism: 
> 
> "In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge of injustice, 
> or a basis for any political justification whatsoever! 
> If nature is unjust, change nature!" 
> 
> (Xenofeminist music is a thing: 
> https://soundcloud.com/yoneda-lemma/sets/d-n-e 
>  ) 
> 
> Thank you all for everything so far.
> 
> :)
> Ruth
> 
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