RE: [newbie] Linux saves MS's butt.
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 07:44, Frankie wrote: Bill Gates didn't make people idiots, God did. Hate the user, not the developer. Next... Brandon Vanderberg www.clueless.m$killedmydoggy.andi'mgonnacry.whaaa.com Linux User #34.5 | Linux machine 123amicoolyet472notyet340now?987NO!needlongersig05789 Kernel 9.12.45customsupercoolAllYourThreadsAreBelongToUs Current load = WhoGivesAFlyingFock | Average Load = NoOneDoes Number of times aterm has been run since last reboot = 12,638 (cuz people wanna know that) My signature isn't long enough to make me l33t yet... This computer is %100 Microsoft tolerant. I drive a 1971 Ford Truck. I can work on any part of it, so everybody driving anything else must suck. And the people that make those other cars are trying to take over the world and must be kill- ... er... sued. - B. Vanderberg (about 5 minutes ago) FRANKI: While I agree with that to a degree.. I don't think its the whole picture.. M$ is about money.. not software, they have an extremely bad record with regards to security problems and just buggy software.. and yet they still ship now, fix later. Considering they use their monopoly to expand into new markets at every given chance.. you'd think they would make a better effort to lock down their sortware.. but each time they release a new OS, its quickly followed by a new biggest ever type flaw.. like XP and uPnP and now 2003 and the rpc flaw that blaster is based on. M$ probably isn't unhappy about this at all, in their minds its probably just good PR for getting Paladium pushed though later on. I'll just quote Douglas Adams, writing about Windows 95 in an article in 'The Guardian' 'The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he, by peddling second-rate technology, who led them into it in the first place.' Paul M Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] text to speech?
On Sunday 17 August 2003 16:53, Anarky wrote: A V Flinsch wrote: I just built a linux box to be used for reading texts to a blind friend using festival http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ Festival comes with a tool text2wave which can be used to create a .wav file and then you can just burn it to a cd. I tried fetsival once .. and I couldn't use it any way .. very hard .. I could really use a gui ... and the sound quality .. is it anythign to be compared with ATT Natural Voices? FYI festival is in contrib for 9.1 . HTH, -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Mdk is cash flow positive!
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 21:46, Frankie wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ed tharp Sent: Monday, 18 August 2003 9:08 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Mdk is cash flow positive! On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 19:06, owenb wrote: There may be some help at hand. When LH the makers of translation software got in hot water and closed their US office I received assistance from the Action Editor of Smart Computing Magazine . If several of us write maybe the public airing of the dissatisfaction about Mandrakes attitude featured in a national magazine will reach management in France. [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax 402-479-2104 Actually the Action Editor pursued LH to their corporate headquarters in Belgium. hell,,, I would rather suffer in silence than give someone something negative to print about MandrakeSoft. FRANKI: Yes, I agree with Ed, The last thing Mandrake soft need right now is bad press.. We want them to fix the problem, not go bust.. However once they get on top of their financial woes... But even then, I am a fan of Mandrake and would rather get them customers, rather then lose them. But something should be done. I myself have had only good experiances with Mandrakestore, but I appear to be in the minority. Maybe someone should put up a Mandrake, Whats the deal? website and get it slashdotted. They always seem to notice stuff when it gets onto /. regards Franki htmlfixit.com well my Club membership was about to expire, so I renewed, and they have a little text box for comments about the store, and I mentioned this thread, that everyone seems like we would like to be able to improve the store somehow. Maybe putting a little 'money were my mouth is' might get some attention too. heck I bet if they had a even a little run on membership renewals, they would sit up and notice the comments if everyone mentioned they want improvements in customer service quality. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] dead hd?
I arrived at work to find messages about EXT3FS errors sprawled across the monitor. Getting a login prompt and trying to log in, it sounds like there a gremlin inside the computer laughing at me evilly (heee heee heee). This sounds really bad. So it can't be rebooted. It says Error reading block 474 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. /dev/hda1: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY (i.e., without -a or -p options) So, if I run fsck and get Error reading block (short read again) and asks to ignore error. Yes is default and it goes again with a different inode number. Is there any hope, or is it fried? Todd -- Name that tune #17: So you say there's a race of men in the trees; you're for tough legistlation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Troubleshooting
I had mouse problems after installing a few upgrades Saturday. I assumed that the problems were software problems, forgetting all I know about troubleshooting. I then uninstalled everything I had done, and some other crap too because everything I did still left me with a wonky mouse. Big mistake. Troubleshooting: Remember to do the easiest thing first. Make sure the plug is in the wall. THEN undo whatever you just did. Problem was a fubar mouse, courtesy of Microsoft. Just another ms device leaving my office. Now where did I leave all those RPM's? sigh Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mdk is cash flow positive!
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:11:23 -0400, Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As to the poor quality of the manuals (which triggered this thread): I spent most of my working life working for manufacturing companies. One of the first lessons I learned was that if the product doesn't meet the customer's expectations, don't ship it. Based on what I've read, the defect should have been apparent when the original shipment of manuals were inspected at Mandrake (QC 101). Worse, given that this was first noted on the Club Forum back in late May, why do they continue to ship them? Printing can be an expensive endeavor. I'm sure Mandrake, once they heard of the poor quality, decided they simply couldn't afford to print more. The real question is how they came to the conclusion these things are 1) definitive rather than basic, and 2) acceptable quality. But then again, perhaps they are good enough for the majority of book buyers. I doubt these things are flying off the shelves. By the way, is the definitive guide the same book sold in the boxed sets? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] VNC with sound?
Hey, that's sounds just crazy enough to work. It hadn't occurred to me that sound is served on Linux boxes. (And why wouldn't it be? Everything else is!) Miark On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you connect to a sound server like esound, NAS or arts across a network. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] VNC with sound?
On 16 Aug 2003 15:17:42 +1000, Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about using a thin client solution that would allow for you to export the display and have you make use of the hardware on the local machine? Interesting. Any recommendations on specific packages? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Test Message
This is a test message. For some reason, my messages to the list are not appearing (or at least I can't see them). This is a test to see if an alternate transport helps. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Help on what (sccs)?
All, On Sco Unixware (boo) we have a command called what which Extract SCCS-version information from a file. I have been trying to Google but it does not let you search on what, to try to find this command in Linux (to move off of Sco(yeah)). So far I have not been able to do this. The SCCS-version system seems to be the predecessor to CVS (I think, correct me if I am wrong) so it seems quite old (poss one for the old timers). I would like to find it though as we still use it to give program info. If anybody can point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Tony. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] VNC with sound?
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 23:13, Miark wrote: On 16 Aug 2003 15:17:42 +1000, Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about using a thin client solution that would allow for you to export the display and have you make use of the hardware on the local machine? Interesting. Any recommendations on specific packages? Miark Heaps on both Sourceforge and Freshmeat...sorry - been busy as of late. -- Mon Aug 18 23:45:00 EST 2003 23:45:00 up 1 day, 2:11, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.11, 0.03 - |____ | illawarra computer services| | /-oo /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn | | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Small things make base men proud. -- William Shakespeare, Henry VI Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] lightweight text editor
do you by any chance know of a cool lightweight text editor (hopefully wiht tabs) ? -- a la Editpad classic if u've ever used it in windows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Test Message
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 09:32:47 -0400 Bryan Phinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a test message. For some reason, my messages to the list are not appearing (or at least I can't see them). This is a test to see if an alternate transport helps. Gotcha here dude, Ralph -- http://axljab.homelinux.org:8080/ ...the software said Win95 or better, so I installed Linux pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Installing downloaded rpm packages
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:39:15 -0700 I believe this means there is no signiture in the rpm package. I normally get a warning message with the option to stop or continue anyway. If there is no pgp signature in the package you can't check it so either continue anyway or don't get it. I have always just continued anyway with no problem so far. Cheers Nigel Any opinions expressed in this email are not necessary those of my wife. owenb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded Fax2Send Complete -2.1-13 RPM for i386 following the Mandrake Clubs note that a free package was available. I checked and found that the required additional files were already installed. But when I attempted to install the package I got the following message. Signature Verification Error The signature of the package Fax2SendComplete -2.1-13.i386.rpm is not correct. No GPG signature in package I stopped at this point. What went wrong? I noted that the required files listed /bin/sh three times. Why the redundancy? Thanks, Owen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:22:38 +0300 Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at Nedit (www.nedit.org), this is part of the 9.1 distro and probably earlier but I'm a new convert. No tabs though. Cheers Nigel do you by any chance know of a cool lightweight text editor (hopefully wiht tabs) ? -- a la Editpad classic if u've ever used it in windows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] That's gotta sting!
http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:16:19 +0100 Nigel Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:22:38 +0300 Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a look at Nedit (www.nedit.org), this is part of the 9.1 distro and probably earlier but I'm a new convert. No tabs though. Gedit does have tabs. It should be include on the Mandrake cd's. urpmi gedit if it's not already there. do you by any chance know of a cool lightweight text editor (hopefully wiht tabs) ? -- a la Editpad classic if u've ever used it in windows. John Drouhard -- Mon Aug 18 18:09:26 CDT 2003 - They told me to install Windows 98 or better, so I installed Linux. Registered Linux User # 315649 Registered Machine # 201001 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:22:38 +0300 Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: do you by any chance know of a cool lightweight text editor (hopefully wiht tabs) ? -- a la Editpad classic if u've ever used it in windows. whooo boy, here we go. prepare for an onslaught. Favourite editor in the Linux community is like the battle between Good and Evil, a raging and eternal battle. Cry HAVOC, and let slip the dogs of war! my favs: (not necessarily with tabs) ROX Edit, SciTE, gxedit, gnotepad+ (development stalled but fulfills all of your criteria, very fast, very light, and supports tabs, only thing is it craps out and maxes your cpu on multiple-undo). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Poor MS, they have suffered so mightily. But monopolies are bad whether MS or Chinese, OS all the way! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Poor MS, they have suffered so mightily. But monopolies are bad whether MS or Chinese, OS all the way! I agree. My heart goes out to MS. No...really, it does... :-P -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
And so to keep China buying from MS - MS offers to let China view source code? For some reason that annoys me. - Original Message - From: Brant Fitzsimmons To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting! HaywireMac wrote:On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0400Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Poor MS, they have suffered so mightily.But monopolies are bad whether MS or Chinese, OS all the way!I agree. My heart goes out to MS. No...really, it does... :-P-- Brant Fitzsimmons[EMAIL PROTECTED]___Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client___"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed.Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as beingself-evident."-Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 18 August 2003 20:53, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:22:38 +0300 Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: do you by any chance know of a cool lightweight text editor (hopefully wiht tabs) ? -- a la Editpad classic if u've ever used it in windows. whooo boy, here we go. prepare for an onslaught. Favourite editor in the Linux community is like the battle between Good and Evil, a raging and eternal battle. Cry HAVOC, and let slip the dogs of war! my favs: (not necessarily with tabs) ROX Edit, SciTE, gxedit, gnotepad+ (development stalled but fulfills all of your criteria, very fast, very light, and supports tabs, only thing is it craps out and maxes your cpu on multiple-undo). How about Kate ? :-) Besides being lightweight (I think it is...), it also has a beautiful name ! - -- cyb -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/QXAH4eVBtrgQWDsRAilOAKC3KCNLraD5ZWvB47STiluxvBYaOACgmJEc z0kpX9uKHSqrhpEGT5tbidg= =lHwI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
InDeSkyz wrote: And so to keep China buying from MS - MS offers to let China view source code? For some reason that annoys me. - Original Message - *From:* Brant Fitzsimmons mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 19 August 2003 12:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting! HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Poor MS, they have suffered so mightily. But monopolies are bad whether MS or Chinese, OS all the way! I agree. My heart goes out to MS. No...really, it does... :-P -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The very same source code that would be a threat to National Security if it were to be open to public review --as testified by MS under penalty of perjury. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
M$ is like a crack dealer, willing to give you a free look to get you hooked, then laugh and get fat as your dependence grows. They're selling Windows XP pro *and* Office XP for $39 a pop in Thailand. That's $39 for the both of them, not each. Don't you think consumers here should bitch about that? BTW, html mail on this list is frowned upon, please turn it off. Todd On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:40:32PM +1200, InDeSkyz wrote: And so to keep China buying from MS - MS offers to let China view source code? For some reason that annoys me. - Original Message - From: [1]Brant Fitzsimmons To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting! HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Poor MS, they have suffered so mightily. But monopolies are bad whether MS or Chinese, OS all the way! I agree. My heart goes out to MS. No...really, it does... :-P -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847|Linuxmachine#207465| [5]http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to [6]http://www.mandrakestore.com References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://counter.li.org/ 6. http://www.mandrakestore.com/ -- Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media. -Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:32:07 -0300 Josenildo Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: How about Kate ? :-) Besides being lightweight (I think it is...), it also has a beautiful name ! I don't use anything that has anything to do with KDE, since it requries loading a whole whack of KDE init resources in the background. It is only lightweight if running it from within KDE. But if Anarky is using KDE, it's a perfectly valid suggestion! And yes, Kate is a cute name...Linux is good for that, unlike MS: Word, Notepad, Media Player, bleh. ;-) P.S. I just loaded KDE on TTY2 and fired up Kate, it comes with a built in terminal, thas pretty kewl! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing downloaded rpm packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 23:11:28 +0100, Nigel Wilkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about Re: [newbie] Installing downloaded rpm packages: I believe this means there is no signiture in the rpm package. I normally get a warning message with the option to stop or continue anyway. If there is no pgp signature in the package you can't check it so either continue anyway or don't get it. I have always just continued anyway with no problem so far. Personally I find the programme has one shortcoming: if there is no GPG signature, it does not tell whether or not the MD5 checksum is okay or not. For that reason - when rpmdrake shows there is no GPG signature - I do an rpm -K *.rpm from the console, to at least verify that the checksum is okay. HTH Regards, =Dick Gevers= -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3rc2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Encryption is an envelope - the contents are private. iD8DBQE/QXfowC/zk+cxEdMRAkQ2AJ9Cc7oeAThfmGPHFLRcp4+rVU8tnQCgx/Am 0Q9EN9kKu/EjNzV3S5xH8U4= =QZq9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Hmm. Linux is foreign software, at least from the standpoint that much of the development did not occur in China. This could be a good thing, an impetus for open source, but it could be also a bad thing - and just another way for the Chinese government to monopolize the OS market and therefore put in backdoors to help track their citizens' activities. Ironically, that's what MS and the Federal Government want, albeit for different reasons (marketing anti-piracy in the latter, political freedom with the former). Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
Todd Slater wrote: M$ is like a crack dealer, willing to give you a free look to get you hooked, then laugh and get fat as your dependence grows. They're selling Windows XP pro *and* Office XP for $39 a pop in Thailand. That's $39 for the both of them, not each. Don't you think consumers here should bitch about that? BTW, html mail on this list is frowned upon, please turn it off. Todd On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 12:40:32PM +1200, InDeSkyz wrote: And so to keep China buying from MS - MS offers to let China view source code? For some reason that annoys me. - Original Message - From: [1]Brant Fitzsimmons To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 August 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting! HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:06:12 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Poor MS, they have suffered so mightily. But monopolies are bad whether MS or Chinese, OS all the way! I agree. My heart goes out to MS. No...really, it does... :-P -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847|Linuxmachine#207465| [5]http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to [6]http://www.mandrakestore.com References 1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. http://counter.li.org/ 6. http://www.mandrakestore.com/ I have it disabled in Mozilla. What else can I do? I've heven't had any complaints from this list thus far. Is this one in HTML? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
David E. Fox wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5064978.html?tag=lh Hmm. Linux is foreign software, at least from the standpoint that much of the development did not occur in China. This could be a good thing, an impetus for open source, but it could be also a bad thing - and just another way for the Chinese government to monopolize the OS market and therefore put in backdoors to help track their citizens' activities. Ironically, that's what MS and the Federal Government want, albeit for different reasons (marketing anti-piracy in the latter, political freedom with the former). I have no illusions that China is looking out for it's citizens in this move. Their history says otherwise. I also think it's a good thing that this doesn't appear to help the megalomaniacal intentions of MS. Hindering the results of those intentions is a very good thing. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
Todd Slater wrote: M$ is like a crack dealer, willing to give you a free look to get you hooked, then laugh and get fat as your dependence grows. They're selling Windows XP pro *and* Office XP for $39 a pop in Thailand. That's $39 for the both of them, not each. Don't you think consumers here should bitch about that? BTW, html mail on this list is frowned upon, please turn it off. Todd I'm sorry. I thought you were referring to my message. (Damn attribute tags.) -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] browsing cache
This would be a browser feature. Maybe bring up the cached version then check periodically for a newer version on both the proxy and via Direct Conection if it finds something new trigger a refresh perhaps? This could probably be done in mozilla/firebird as an addin (like the spellchecker and popup suppressor are) I however have no experience in this so get someone who has a clue to make it for ya Mike ;-) I think he's asking for a program that will throw the cached version of the website up on the screen immediately while in the background the caching program checks to see if the page is current. If it finds that the cached version is out of date it downloads the new page and automatically makes the browser refresh the page. If the page is current-- you're set. If not-- you get the auto-refresh. Not a bad idea if you don't mind running the risk of looking at stale data for a second or two. To do it in Linux there would need to be some kind of way for squid to trigger a refresh in the browser if the page is not current. How would one do that, and would it be breaking any fscking patents? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:08:40 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered: Ironically, that's what MS and the Federal Government want, albeit for different reasons (marketing anti-piracy in the latter, political freedom with the former). Ummm, against my better judgement... Seriously, and with all due respect, the Federal Government would not want backdoors in MS software, or any other software, for political freedom...they want it to track the activities of undesirables, ie. people exercising their rights to freedom of speech, association, and the like. Backdoors are a Bad Thing, no matter who puts them in. *My* computer is *my* computer, damned be he who tries to corrupt it against my will and without my knowledge. There *is* no excuse for a government spying on it's citizens without due process of law, at the very least, and in my case no excuse at all. It is totalitarianism. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 09:19:30PM -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: I have it disabled in Mozilla. What else can I do? I've heven't had any complaints from this list thus far. Is this one in HTML? You're fine, Brant, I was replying to InDeSkyz. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] browsing cache
Michael Lothian wrote: This would be a browser feature. Maybe bring up the cached version then check periodically for a newer version on both the proxy and via Direct Conection if it finds something new trigger a refresh perhaps? Direct connection to the site would negate the benefits of the proxy, and would be impossible in some setups where the proxy is the only link to the Internet. This could probably be done in mozilla/firebird as an addin (like the spellchecker and popup suppressor are) I however have no experience in this so get someone who has a clue to make it for ya Mike ;-) I think he's asking for a program that will throw the cached version of the website up on the screen immediately while in the background the caching program checks to see if the page is current. If it finds that the cached version is out of date it downloads the new page and automatically makes the browser refresh the page. If the page is current-- you're set. If not-- you get the auto-refresh. Not a bad idea if you don't mind running the risk of looking at stale data for a second or two. To do it in Linux there would need to be some kind of way for squid to trigger a refresh in the browser if the page is not current. How would one do that, and would it be breaking any fscking patents? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:19:30 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I have it disabled in Mozilla. What else can I do? I've heven't had any complaints from this list thus far. Is this one in HTML? I think he was talking to InDeSkyz (cool nick, btw) who has since disabled it :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] browsing cache
Yes your right of course and I belive squids is intelligent enought not to need that option. You'd just need something to check for newer version on the squids server and maybe something to stimulate the squids server into getting the latest version of a site more frequently. A very tired an aught to be sleeping Mike Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Michael Lothian wrote: This would be a browser feature. Maybe bring up the cached version then check periodically for a newer version on both the proxy and via Direct Conection if it finds something new trigger a refresh perhaps? Direct connection to the site would negate the benefits of the proxy, and would be impossible in some setups where the proxy is the only link to the Internet. This could probably be done in mozilla/firebird as an addin (like the spellchecker and popup suppressor are) I however have no experience in this so get someone who has a clue to make it for ya Mike ;-) I think he's asking for a program that will throw the cached version of the website up on the screen immediately while in the background the caching program checks to see if the page is current. If it finds that the cached version is out of date it downloads the new page and automatically makes the browser refresh the page. If the page is current-- you're set. If not-- you get the auto-refresh. Not a bad idea if you don't mind running the risk of looking at stale data for a second or two. To do it in Linux there would need to be some kind of way for squid to trigger a refresh in the browser if the page is not current. How would one do that, and would it be breaking any fscking patents? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 18 August 2003 22:08, HaywireMac wrote: I don't use anything that has anything to do with KDE, since it requries loading a whole whack of KDE init resources in the background. It is only lightweight if running it from within KDE. I suspected you'd say that. I don't mean to hijack (?) this thread, but I'd like to ask something about this. I'm using Xfce4 but, as all my all-important e-mails are stored in Kmail, I have to run it. Could I export them to another e-mail programme ? (I don't know why but I've got the feeling it's not possible...) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/QX924eVBtrgQWDsRAjrRAJ9LZJIgasTs4sgxeAm6yRRJnqEj7wCgqdYH /6IZnFdTxAFnBCkY1brr4Uk= =Z1TW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] browsing cache
Michael Lothian wrote: Yes your right of course and I belive squids is intelligent enought not to need that option. You'd just need something to check for newer version on the squids server and maybe something to stimulate the squids server into getting the latest version of a site more frequently. I think this is already built into the Squid Server. A very tired an aught to be sleeping Mike Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Michael Lothian wrote: This would be a browser feature. Maybe bring up the cached version then check periodically for a newer version on both the proxy and via Direct Conection if it finds something new trigger a refresh perhaps? Direct connection to the site would negate the benefits of the proxy, and would be impossible in some setups where the proxy is the only link to the Internet. This could probably be done in mozilla/firebird as an addin (like the spellchecker and popup suppressor are) I however have no experience in this so get someone who has a clue to make it for ya Mike ;-) I think he's asking for a program that will throw the cached version of the website up on the screen immediately while in the background the caching program checks to see if the page is current. If it finds that the cached version is out of date it downloads the new page and automatically makes the browser refresh the page. If the page is current-- you're set. If not-- you get the auto-refresh. Not a bad idea if you don't mind running the risk of looking at stale data for a second or two. To do it in Linux there would need to be some kind of way for squid to trigger a refresh in the browser if the page is not current. How would one do that, and would it be breaking any fscking patents? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdkcustom KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client ___ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] That's gotta sting!
On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 09:39:34PM -0400, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:08:40 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David E. Fox) uttered: Ironically, that's what MS and the Federal Government want, albeit for different reasons (marketing anti-piracy in the latter, political freedom with the former). Ummm, against my better judgement... Seriously, and with all due respect, the Federal Government would not want backdoors in MS software, or any other software, for political freedom...they want it to track the activities of undesirables, ie. people exercising their rights to freedom of speech, association, and the like. Backdoors are a Bad Thing, no matter who puts them in. Against *my* better judgement- The actions of the Axis of Evil (Bush-Cheney-Ashcroft) make this abundantly clear. t -- Name that tune #17: So you say there's a race of men in the trees; you're for tough legistlation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lightweight text editor
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:37:58 -0300 Josenildo Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I suspected you'd say that. ah, my reputation precedes me? I don't mean to hijack (?) this thread, suure...hey, this is hijack central. but I'd like to ask something about this. I'm using Xfce4 but, as all my all-important e-mails are stored in Kmail, I have to run it. Could I export them to another e-mail programme ?(I don't know why but I've got the feeling it's not possible...) you may have to do it in a couple of steps, but I believe I have seen this question before, and it is possible. Kmail should have an export feature, or if it doesn't the client you want to use should have an import feature. best bet is to convert to mbox format, from there almost any client I am aware of will accept and import mbox. can't seem to run kmail right now...weird...oh well ;-) check the newb archives, I am certain this question has come up b4. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
