Re: [newbie] Un libro bueno en Linux

2004-06-16 Thread Aron Smith
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 06:40 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:27, Aron Smith wrote:
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  I diddn say enuythang.
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Re: [newbie] boot log?

2004-06-16 Thread Eric Huff
   Is there a way to access the information that scrolls by as
   you boot
  up after booting is finished? If so, please tell me how? I

  I think you will find that in /var/log/dmesg

Oddly, this is not the same as the output you get from the command
dmesg.

There is also 
/var/log/boot.log

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Re: [newbie] libGL

2004-06-16 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 05:35 pm, Cezary Morga wrote:
-Hi there,
-I've got this silly problem: when I'm trying to compile (or simple run)
 some -programs that require libGL it happens that they look for libGL.la
 -in /usr/X11R6/lib but I have it in /usr/lib. What should I do about it to
 -make it work?
-
-TIA,
-Cezary Morga

Do a ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib

That should do it. man ln will give you more info on linking files and 
folders.

HTHs.

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Re: [newbie] boot log?

2004-06-16 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 10:25 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
-On Tuesday 15 June 2004 05:56 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
- On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 03:11, eric jackson wrote:
-  Hi,
- 
-  I'm getting an error from my soundcard when I boot up. I'll post
-  another message about that in a few minutes.
- 
-  Is there a way to access the information that scrolls by as you boot
-  up after booting is finished? If so, please tell me how? I rebooted
-  several times trying to copy the error message I mentioned. There must
-  be a better way to access that information.
- 
-  Thanks in advance!
- 
-  Eric Jackson
-  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
- Open a terminal and type:
-
- dmesg | more
-
- stephen kuhn - proprietor
-
-Sorry, Stephen, but as others have posted, dmesg | less is preferable. less
-allows you to page up or page down -- more allows only page down. No big
 deal -on small files, but very nice on large files when you realize that
 you need -to go back a ways. Even man more says that less is better, while
 man less -makes even more grandiose claims. (None of this has anything to
 do with Les -Moore of Funky Winkerbean fame.)
-
-Eric, take a log at some of the other files in /var/log -- as root.
 boot.log -and messages can be very useful , as they show time and date.
 BTW, you can -list those files using less boot.log (or less messages)
 rather than the pipe. --- cmg
-
-
-

Or just do a dmesg  dmesg.txt so you can save it for examination at your 
leisure. :-)

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RE: [newbie] Serial Card Installation

2004-06-16 Thread Tony S. Sykes
I am on a lan and want to use the modem with Hylafax, so I just need the system to 
acknowledge it is there. I have run the faxaddmodem on both tty ports and moved the 
modem around the ports but I am unable to connect to it. The modem on the original com 
prot is working fine as you would expect.

Thanks,

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frans Ketelaars
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Serial Card Installation


On Tuesday 15 June 2004 10:09, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mikkel L.
 Ellertson Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 6:55 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Serial Card Installation

 Frans Ketelaars wrote:
 On Monday 14 June 2004 17:02, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I am trying to install a 2 port serial card. I have been googling
  and found some info but just need the steps made a bit clearer. I
  understand that I need the lspci -vv (below) to get the values for
  the card. I have also printed the dmesg output as well. I also
  read I need to MAKEDEV but I tried this and created a dev
  directory with the name of the new tty device I was trying to
  create. Any help, manuals would be a great help.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Tony.
 
 lspci -vv
 
 00:0c.0 Serial controller: NetMos Technology 222N-2 I/O Card
  (2S+1P) (rev 01) (prog-if 02 [16550])
 Subsystem: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic: Unknown device 0002
 Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop-
 ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
 Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium
 
 TAbort- TAbort- MAbort- SERR- PERR-
 
 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 11
 Region 0: I/O ports at d000 [size=8]
 Region 1: I/O ports at cc00 [size=8]
 Region 2: I/O ports at c800 [size=8]
 Region 3: I/O ports at c400 [size=8]
 Region 4: I/O ports at c000 [size=8]
 Region 5: I/O ports at bc00 [size=16]
 
 dmesg
 
 ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
 ttyS4 at I/O 0xd000 (irq = 11) is a 16550A
 ttyS5 at I/O 0xcc00 (irq = 11) is a 16550A
 
 It seems to me the kernel found the two new serial ports named ttyS4
  and ttyS5?
 
 HTH,
 
 -Frans

 I think you are right.  From the looks of things, Linux know how to
 handle that PCI card, and is assigning the ports to /dev/ttyS4 and
 /dev/ttyS5  (or /dev/tty/S4 and /dev/tty/S5)  I believe the reason it
 is not using /dev/ttyS1 and /dev/ttyS2 is that there are addresses
 associated with /dev/ttyS0 through /dev/ttyS3 and they are not always
 detected at boot time, depending on boot parametors.  (COM1 through
 COM4 in DOS.)  So the PCI ports are assigned to the ports after them.
 Depending on what you are planning to use the ports for, you will
 probably be creating, or having the system create links to them from
 more descriptive names.  (modem, mouse, pilot, camera, etc...)

 Mikkel

 Okay, mandy has found the to ports, so I have connected my modem to 
 one of the ports but Mandy can't find the modem. So what do I need to
 do next?

 Thanks,

 Tony.

Are you using MCC to configure an internet connection with the modem? If 
so you can tell it to use /dev/ttyS4 or /dev/ttyS5 in Mandrake 10.

HTH,

-Frans




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Re: [newbie] libGL

2004-06-16 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 16:35, Cezary Morga wrote:
 Hi there,
 I've got this silly problem: when I'm trying to compile (or simple 
run) some 
 programs that require libGL it happens that they look for libGL.la 
 in /usr/X11R6/lib but I have it in /usr/lib. What should I do about it 
to 
 make it work?
 
 TIA,
 Cezary Morga
 
 
Either move,  copy, or create a link from  /usr/lib/libGL 
to /usr/X11R6/lib.
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[newbie] Gainward fx5700 ultra

2004-06-16 Thread Tony S. Sykes
Has anybody got the Gainward fx5700 Ultra working with Mandy 10? I have not had a good 
Linux fix on my home PC for months now and to make matters worse I have somehow 
contracted a virus in windows (Normally all emails goes through Mandy). X just does 
not seem to be happy with the card at all. I have used the nv driver, no luck, the 
Nvidia driver no luck, I just can't get a graphical interface, but it is fine during 
installation and everything else. My XFree86 log does not show anything helpful at the 
moment and all I get when I start X is the screen flashing every now and again with 
all the colours while it is trying to display the screen. I have looked around various 
site and even posted some of the errors to the list but I still have not fixed it.

Thanks for listening,

Tony.


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Re: [newbie] Sound issue

2004-06-16 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 17:09, Paul Smith wrote:
 Dear All
 
 I am a quite happy user of mdk 9.2. I am planning to move to mdk 10 
 Official. However, sometime ago, I installed mdk 10 CE and I 
experienced 
   problems with sound. Therefore, I would like to know whether the 
sound 
 problems, typical of mdk 10 CE, are overcome.
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 Paul
 
 
 
I have a new install of 10.0 official w/updates .  My sound is iffy.  
xmms dosent work niether does totem but real player works fine and some 
sound from events but then I always have sound problems, guess its 
because I dont understand the system very well.
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Re: [newbie] libGL

2004-06-16 Thread Cezary Morga
Dnia ro 16. czerwca 2004 08:46, Ronald J. Hall napisa:

 Do a ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib

 That should do it. man ln will give you more info on linking files and
 folders.

It helped. Thanks...

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Re: [newbie] OT/semi-lenghty: Any advice for a newbie programmer?

2004-06-16 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 18:06, Marv Boyes wrote:
 Hello, everyone. I realize that this isn't a developer's list, but I 
get 
 the sense that there are more than a few developers here, and some of 
 the sharpest people I've yet encountered online. I'm looking for some 
 sage wisdom. ;)
 
 I haven't done any serious programming since Extended BASIC for Texas 
 Instruments' TI-99/4A. I lost interest in programming shortly after my 
 father brought our first Windows 3.1 machine into the house-- it was 
 easier to just accept what Microsoft fed me. Linux has gotten me 
 interested in learning how to do things for myself again, and I've had 
a 
 great time reading about the mindset and culture of coding. Having 
 gotten a fair handle on bash scripting, I'm interested in moving on to 
 something a little more advanced. Quite frankly, I'm a little 
 overwhelmed by the possibilities.
 
 These are a few of my liabilities and limitations: I'm in human 
services 
 management, which means I work long hours, and I'm on-call 24 hours, 7 
 days a week. With my non-professional duties around the house, I don't 
 end up with a lot of leisure time. I've been isolated from the nuts 'n 
 bolts aspects of development, on any level, for a very long time. Even 
 two years after going all Linux, all the time, I am still quite the 
 newbie. And despite a fair amount of research, I unfortunately don't 
 have the vaguest notion of which languages/development environments 
are 
 best for which purposes (for that matter, I have no real purpose yet, 
 other than to learn a bit about programming).
 
 Essentially, I don't imagine for a moment that my life will grant me 
the 
 time to become a serious programmer; at the same time, I certainly 
don't 
 expect to be able to code my own kernel or office suite from scratch 
 after a couple of days' study. I'm looking for a realtively gentle 
 introduction to programming in some sort of standard environment, to 
 see if it's something I can get both my mind and my interest around.
 
 I'm interested in knowing which languages are favored by some of the 
 hobbyist developers on this list, and why. Is there a particular 
 programming/scripting language which seems to naturally lend itself to 
 the beginner (while still being rich enough to produce some useful, if 
 not particularly 'killer', applications)? Relatively easy to learn; 
 powerful enough to create something other Linux users might find 
useful, 
 should I stick with it long enough. Should I dive right into C, or 
might 
 I be better-served by learning something about, for instance, Python 
or 
 Perl? And if I _really_ get nuts about programming and decide that I 
 want to give GUI-driven apps a try, are there languages which would 
lend 
 themselves to something like, say, gtk (or is that a language in 
itself? 
 See, utter newbie...).
 
 I would appreciate anyone's thoughts; feel free to respond off-list if 
 this post shouldn't have been here in the first place. ;)
 
 
 Thanks,
 Marv
You may regret asking this question.  I would recommend C, once you get 
a handle on that then progress to C++ and when you master those you can 
do anything. I started with The C Programming Language (The White 
Book) by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M Ritchie.Copyright 1978.  They 
were the developers of C and rewrote UNIX in C so that we now have 
Linux. Dont assume that C is easy, it isnt,  it is an exercise in logic 
like you may not have experienced before.

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Re: [newbie] OT/semi-lenghty: Any advice for a newbie programmer?

2004-06-16 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 01:58, robin wrote:
 Marv Boyes wrote:
 [snip]

 Everyone has their own favourite language which they will defend to 
the 
 death against all others!
 

 
 Sir Robin
 
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Re: [newbie] Serial Card Installation

2004-06-16 Thread Frans Ketelaars
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 09:39, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 I am on a lan and want to use the modem with Hylafax, so I just need
 the system to acknowledge it is there. I have run the faxaddmodem on
 both tty ports and moved the modem around the ports but I am unable
 to connect to it. The modem on the original com prot is working fine
 as you would expect.

 Thanks,

 Tony.

There is a setserial command (in the setserial package) that may help to 
at least get more info. It has a man page.

Good luck,

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Re: [newbie] Darkroom Linux

2004-06-16 Thread John Richard Smith
Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 01:15, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
   

In my attic are thousands of old 24x36 mm negatives who never
made it to the darkroom enlarger. Furthermore, to set up a
darkroom nowadays is almost impossible - at least where I live.
So : can anyone recommend a good film scanner that works with
linux ? - What about image quality ? - Can SANE handle it ?
Experiences, please ?
Kaj Haulrich.
 

Sure,
My epson 2400 photo will do all of that and sane has no problem
scanning the individual images, and gimp can manipulate them well
too.
So if the colours are a bit faded, don't worry too much gimp can
add it back to a certain extent. Obviously if there is no red or
yellow left in the image then it cannot do much, but provided the
colours are still there in reduced levels they can be manipulated
back to rude health again.
My scanner has a plastic film holder that the strips of negs are
held in while scanning and sane can handle that easy. For some
reason I cannot explain I found it better to scan Black and White
photos/negs  in colour mode and then convert them back to B/W in
gimp the results seemed better. Probably I didn't have my setting
right in the first place, I don't know.
I did a large project on 5,000 old family photos and wrote them
all to disc afterwards for permanent record. That way the colours
will not fade any more, and the space saving is quite
something.Plus it's easy to replicate them and hand out copies
all around the family for future generations, so that chances are
some will survive into well beyond the present.
John
   

Thanks a lot, John. That was exactly the answer I had hoped for. I 
surfed the web and found almost nothing about film scanning for 
Linux, and was very confused about flatbed vs. film scanners.

Most good flatbed scanners come with these film holders that take the 
negs in strips(they vary a bit, but the usual 6/8 neg strips that come 
back from the developers fit in nicely. Dead easy to use(remember, if 
like me you're part of a project, time is money)and stoy in the lid when 
not in use.

Most 
of my old pics are B/W negatives on Kodak Tri-x and Ilford HP 3-5, 
so I intend to burn them to CD in a resolution about 800x600 and 
only print them occasionally. Will the quality be reasonable ?
 

Oh that would be very good resolution, I set my scanner to scan ordinary 
en prints at 300dpi ( not an awful lot more use going higher since the 
grain of the negs is the determining factor, so film res of 200 is only 
capable of so much detail, but 400 I would up to 600dpi scan rate, but 
just play around and suit yourself.

However I have a few real old B/W oldies that date back to the beginning 
of the 20th century and created on large plate cameras of the day and 
the quality of the imagery is just sulperlative even after all this time 
, I take my hat of to those early photgraphic people they new quality 
when they saw it. I guess the difference is to do with the expense and 
affordability, since most people would of gone to a studio and paid good 
money for one off pictures in posed situations and they darn well 
expected good pictures. Anyway , whether negs of pics I just scanned 
them at the highest resolution I could get a file to fit on one 700MB 
disc, heck a disc cost 20p here in UK and I regarded the pics as being 
worth every penny.

If you have unusual sized negs you may have to fiddle with the carrier 
to get them in, or just place them flat on the scanner bed and heck, no 
matter if the scanned preview  image is wonky just scale out the image 
area you want in sane and use gimp to correct or rotate it.

One word of warning, or rather preparation, Once started on just such a 
project the news gets out around the family, and pretty darn soon 
hundreds more pics start arriving out of the blue and soon what started 
with about 1000 to 1200 collection became a much larger project indeed. 
But I enjoyed it immensly and wouldn't of passed up the opportunity at 
all. Suddenly those old distance relatives known to you by name alone 
suddenly become real faces, people you can relate to.

regards,
John
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Re: [newbie] OT/semi-lenghty: Any advice for a newbie programmer?

2004-06-16 Thread Frank
And with your limited time, should you decide C then drop me a line, 
'cause I'm interested and know that two heads are always better than 
one! ( Frank at Snapafun.co.nz ) [Have started reading 'Sams Teach 
Yourself C for Linux Programming. Hoyt is right - not easy but a 
manageable challenge.]

Regards
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Hoyt Bailey wrote:
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 18:06, Marv Boyes wrote:
 

Hello, everyone. I realize that this isn't a developer's list, but I 
   

get 
 

the sense that there are more than a few developers here, and some of 
the sharpest people I've yet encountered online. I'm looking for some 
sage wisdom. ;)

I haven't done any serious programming since Extended BASIC for Texas 
Instruments' TI-99/4A. I lost interest in programming shortly after my 
father brought our first Windows 3.1 machine into the house-- it was 
easier to just accept what Microsoft fed me. Linux has gotten me 
interested in learning how to do things for myself again, and I've had 
   

a 
 

great time reading about the mindset and culture of coding. Having 
gotten a fair handle on bash scripting, I'm interested in moving on to 
something a little more advanced. Quite frankly, I'm a little 
overwhelmed by the possibilities.

These are a few of my liabilities and limitations: I'm in human 
   

services 
 

management, which means I work long hours, and I'm on-call 24 hours, 7 
days a week. With my non-professional duties around the house, I don't 
end up with a lot of leisure time. I've been isolated from the nuts 'n 
bolts aspects of development, on any level, for a very long time. Even 
two years after going all Linux, all the time, I am still quite the 
newbie. And despite a fair amount of research, I unfortunately don't 
have the vaguest notion of which languages/development environments 
   

are 
 

best for which purposes (for that matter, I have no real purpose yet, 
other than to learn a bit about programming).

Essentially, I don't imagine for a moment that my life will grant me 
   

the 
 

time to become a serious programmer; at the same time, I certainly 
   

don't 
 

expect to be able to code my own kernel or office suite from scratch 
after a couple of days' study. I'm looking for a realtively gentle 
introduction to programming in some sort of standard environment, to 
see if it's something I can get both my mind and my interest around.

I'm interested in knowing which languages are favored by some of the 
hobbyist developers on this list, and why. Is there a particular 
programming/scripting language which seems to naturally lend itself to 
the beginner (while still being rich enough to produce some useful, if 
not particularly 'killer', applications)? Relatively easy to learn; 
powerful enough to create something other Linux users might find 
   

useful, 
 

should I stick with it long enough. Should I dive right into C, or 
   

might 
 

I be better-served by learning something about, for instance, Python 
   

or 
 

Perl? And if I _really_ get nuts about programming and decide that I 
want to give GUI-driven apps a try, are there languages which would 
   

lend 
 

themselves to something like, say, gtk (or is that a language in 
   

itself? 
 

See, utter newbie...).
I would appreciate anyone's thoughts; feel free to respond off-list if 
this post shouldn't have been here in the first place. ;)

Thanks,
Marv
   

You may regret asking this question.  I would recommend C, once you get 
a handle on that then progress to C++ and when you master those you can 
do anything. I started with The C Programming Language (The White 
Book) by Brian W. Kernighan and Dennis M Ritchie.Copyright 1978.  They 
were the developers of C and rewrote UNIX in C so that we now have 
Linux. Dont assume that C is easy, it isnt,  it is an exercise in logic 
like you may not have experienced before.

 



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Re: [newbie] Sound issue

2004-06-16 Thread Paul Smith
I have a new install of 10.0 official w/updates .  My sound is iffy.  
xmms dosent work niether does totem but real player works fine and some 
sound from events but then I always have sound problems, guess its 
because I dont understand the system very well.
Should one expect that the reported problems with sound of Mdk 10 will 
be repaired in further versions? Or is it something structural, not 
susceptible of being changed?

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Re: [newbie] Darkroom Linux

2004-06-16 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 11:42, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Wednesday 16 June 2004 01:15, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 In my attic are thousands of old 24x36 mm negatives who never
 made it to the darkroom enlarger. Furthermore, to set up a
 darkroom nowadays is almost impossible - at least where I
  live. So : can anyone recommend a good film scanner that
  works with linux ? - What about image quality ? - Can SANE
  handle it ?
 
 Experiences, please ?
 
 Kaj Haulrich.
 
 Sure,
 My epson 2400 photo will do all of that and sane has no problem
 scanning the individual images, and gimp can manipulate them
  well too.
 
 So if the colours are a bit faded, don't worry too much gimp
  can add it back to a certain extent. Obviously if there is no
  red or yellow left in the image then it cannot do much, but
  provided the colours are still there in reduced levels they
  can be manipulated back to rude health again.
 
 My scanner has a plastic film holder that the strips of negs
  are held in while scanning and sane can handle that easy. For
  some reason I cannot explain I found it better to scan Black
  and White photos/negs  in colour mode and then convert them
  back to B/W in gimp the results seemed better. Probably I
  didn't have my setting right in the first place, I don't know.
 
 I did a large project on 5,000 old family photos and wrote them
 all to disc afterwards for permanent record. That way the
  colours will not fade any more, and the space saving is quite
 something.Plus it's easy to replicate them and hand out copies
 all around the family for future generations, so that chances
  are some will survive into well beyond the present.
 
 John
 
 Thanks a lot, John. That was exactly the answer I had hoped for.
  I surfed the web and found almost nothing about film scanning
  for Linux, and was very confused about flatbed vs. film
  scanners.

 Most good flatbed scanners come with these film holders that take
 the negs in strips(they vary a bit, but the usual 6/8 neg strips
 that come back from the developers fit in nicely. Dead easy to
 use(remember, if like me you're part of a project, time is
 money)and stoy in the lid when not in use.

  Most
 of my old pics are B/W negatives on Kodak Tri-x and Ilford HP
  3-5, so I intend to burn them to CD in a resolution about
  800x600 and only print them occasionally. Will the quality be
  reasonable ?

 Oh that would be very good resolution, I set my scanner to scan
 ordinary en prints at 300dpi ( not an awful lot more use going
 higher since the grain of the negs is the determining factor, so
 film res of 200 is only capable of so much detail, but 400 I
 would up to 600dpi scan rate, but just play around and suit
 yourself.

 However I have a few real old B/W oldies that date back to the
 beginning of the 20th century and created on large plate cameras
 of the day and the quality of the imagery is just sulperlative
 even after all this time , I take my hat of to those early
 photgraphic people they new quality when they saw it. I guess the
 difference is to do with the expense and affordability, since
 most people would of gone to a studio and paid good money for one
 off pictures in posed situations and they darn well expected good
 pictures. Anyway , whether negs of pics I just scanned them at
 the highest resolution I could get a file to fit on one 700MB
 disc, heck a disc cost 20p here in UK and I regarded the pics as
 being worth every penny.

 If you have unusual sized negs you may have to fiddle with the
 carrier to get them in, or just place them flat on the scanner
 bed and heck, no matter if the scanned preview  image is wonky
 just scale out the image area you want in sane and use gimp to
 correct or rotate it.

 One word of warning, or rather preparation, Once started on just
 such a project the news gets out around the family, and pretty
 darn soon hundreds more pics start arriving out of the blue and
 soon what started with about 1000 to 1200 collection became a
 much larger project indeed. But I enjoyed it immensly and
 wouldn't of passed up the opportunity at all. Suddenly those old
 distance relatives known to you by name alone suddenly become
 real faces, people you can relate to.

 regards,

 John

Thanks again, John. I've ordered an Epson 2400 Photo, will arrive in 
a fortnight. Like you, I have mostly 135mm films in B/W negatives, 
but a variety of other, older formats as well. It is a great 
comfort to me, that you tell me I can scan them on this device.

The problem is those old negatives on glass plates. I've managed to 
copy them to 135 mm film by means of one of those bellow-style 
adapters to my Nikon, but it is a time-consuming task, what with 
all those lenses, adjustments and heavy gear. But it is worth the 
effort.

I can't wait to get going with my new scanner. I reckon it it's just 
plug 'n play, right ?

Regards

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Re: [newbie] boot log?

2004-06-16 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 16:24, Eric Huff wrote:
Is there a way to access the information that scrolls by as
you boot
   up after booting is finished? If so, please tell me how? I
 
   I think you will find that in /var/log/dmesg
 
 Oddly, this is not the same as the output you get from the command
 dmesg.
 
 There is also 
 /var/log/boot.log
 
 eric

I think what would be more helpful than anything is a /var/log/WTF.log

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Re: [newbie] Sound issue

2004-06-16 Thread Margot
Paul Smith wrote:
I have a new install of 10.0 official w/updates .  My sound is iffy.  
xmms dosent work niether does totem but real player works fine and 
some sound from events but then I always have sound problems, guess 
its because I dont understand the system very well.

Should one expect that the reported problems with sound of Mdk 10 will 
be repaired in further versions? Or is it something structural, not 
susceptible of being changed?

Paul
Depends on the type of problem, and where you have reported it. If 
it is a genuine *bug* in the system, and it has been reported to 
Anthill (http://bugs.mandrakelinux.com/login.php) then it should 
(eventually!) be fixed. If a bug has only been reported on the 
mailing lists, it is unlikely that it will be fixed - I don't think 
any Mandrakesoft staff monitor the list, so they won't know the 
problem exists.

On the other hand, if the problem is with the user not fully 
understanding how the system works, the list is the best place to go 
for help - the staff can only fix the software, not the users!

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Re: [newbie] Sound issue

2004-06-16 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 05:12, Paul Smith wrote:
  I have a new install of 10.0 official w/updates .  My sound is iffy.  
  xmms dosent work niether does totem but real player works fine and 
some 
  sound from events but then I always have sound problems, guess its 
  because I dont understand the system very well.
 
 Should one expect that the reported problems with sound of Mdk 10 will 
 be repaired in further versions? Or is it something structural, not 
 susceptible of being changed?
 
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Re: [newbie] Darkroom Linux

2004-06-16 Thread John Richard Smith
Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 11:42, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
   

On Wednesday 16 June 2004 01:15, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
   

In my attic are thousands of old 24x36 mm negatives who never
made it to the darkroom enlarger. Furthermore, to set up a
darkroom nowadays is almost impossible - at least where I
live. So : can anyone recommend a good film scanner that
works with linux ? - What about image quality ? - Can SANE
handle it ?
Experiences, please ?
Kaj Haulrich.
 

Sure,
My epson 2400 photo will do all of that and sane has no problem
scanning the individual images, and gimp can manipulate them
well too.
So if the colours are a bit faded, don't worry too much gimp
can add it back to a certain extent. Obviously if there is no
red or yellow left in the image then it cannot do much, but
provided the colours are still there in reduced levels they
can be manipulated back to rude health again.
My scanner has a plastic film holder that the strips of negs
are held in while scanning and sane can handle that easy. For
some reason I cannot explain I found it better to scan Black
and White photos/negs  in colour mode and then convert them
back to B/W in gimp the results seemed better. Probably I
didn't have my setting right in the first place, I don't know.
I did a large project on 5,000 old family photos and wrote them
all to disc afterwards for permanent record. That way the
colours will not fade any more, and the space saving is quite
something.Plus it's easy to replicate them and hand out copies
all around the family for future generations, so that chances
are some will survive into well beyond the present.
John
   

Thanks a lot, John. That was exactly the answer I had hoped for.
I surfed the web and found almost nothing about film scanning
for Linux, and was very confused about flatbed vs. film
scanners.
 

Most good flatbed scanners come with these film holders that take
the negs in strips(they vary a bit, but the usual 6/8 neg strips
that come back from the developers fit in nicely. Dead easy to
use(remember, if like me you're part of a project, time is
money)and stoy in the lid when not in use.
   

Most
of my old pics are B/W negatives on Kodak Tri-x and Ilford HP
3-5, so I intend to burn them to CD in a resolution about
800x600 and only print them occasionally. Will the quality be
reasonable ?
 

Oh that would be very good resolution, I set my scanner to scan
ordinary en prints at 300dpi ( not an awful lot more use going
higher since the grain of the negs is the determining factor, so
film res of 200 is only capable of so much detail, but 400 I
would up to 600dpi scan rate, but just play around and suit
yourself.
However I have a few real old B/W oldies that date back to the
beginning of the 20th century and created on large plate cameras
of the day and the quality of the imagery is just sulperlative
even after all this time , I take my hat of to those early
photgraphic people they new quality when they saw it. I guess the
difference is to do with the expense and affordability, since
most people would of gone to a studio and paid good money for one
off pictures in posed situations and they darn well expected good
pictures. Anyway , whether negs of pics I just scanned them at
the highest resolution I could get a file to fit on one 700MB
disc, heck a disc cost 20p here in UK and I regarded the pics as
being worth every penny.
If you have unusual sized negs you may have to fiddle with the
carrier to get them in, or just place them flat on the scanner
bed and heck, no matter if the scanned preview  image is wonky
just scale out the image area you want in sane and use gimp to
correct or rotate it.
One word of warning, or rather preparation, Once started on just
such a project the news gets out around the family, and pretty
darn soon hundreds more pics start arriving out of the blue and
soon what started with about 1000 to 1200 collection became a
much larger project indeed. But I enjoyed it immensly and
wouldn't of passed up the opportunity at all. Suddenly those old
distance relatives known to you by name alone suddenly become
real faces, people you can relate to.
regards,
John
   

Thanks again, John. I've ordered an Epson 2400 Photo, will arrive in 
a fortnight. Like you, I have mostly 135mm films in B/W negatives, 
but a variety of other, older formats as well. It is a great 
comfort to me, that you tell me I can scan them on this device.

The problem is those old negatives on glass plates. I've managed to 
copy them to 135 mm film by means of one of those bellow-style 
adapters to my Nikon, but it is a time-consuming task, what with 
all those lenses, adjustments and heavy gear. But it is worth the 
effort.

I can't wait to get going with my new scanner. I reckon it it's just 
plug 'n play, right ?

Regards
Kaj Haulrich.
 

Epson is a good choice.
The device has it's own independent powers supply so no big 

Re: [newbie] Un libro bueno en Linux

2004-06-16 Thread John Wilson
On June 15, 2004 11:21 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
 On Tuesday 15 June 2004 06:40 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:27, Aron Smith wrote:
So ya reckon the snarling little bastard is out picking pot, eh?
  
   I diddn say enuythang.
   Farmer-in the -dell  High ho the merry-o
 
  Aron, ya know, someone somewhere DID program a really good spell
  checker...or are you using elm/pico/mail/emacs?

 no Phew-bonics.

Anyway back to the notion of harvest season, it may not be the right time of 
year to harvest a certain green herb that also has been known to make rope or 
clothing but at this very moment thousands of ancient hippies are decending 
onto Vancouver Island in search of a (not so) rare variety of mushroom that 
is supposed to enchance a magician's act. :-)

ttfn

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[newbie] [OT] proxy for nntp?

2004-06-16 Thread Todd Slater
Is there any way to use a proxy, like one might for http, to get around
the download limits imposed by a free news (nntp) server? Not that I
would ever *do* anything like that, mind you, just curious if it was
possible.

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Re: [newbie] OT/semi-lenghty: Any advice for a newbie programmer?

2004-06-16 Thread John Wilson
On June 15, 2004 04:06 pm, Marv Boyes wrote:
 Hello, everyone. I realize that this isn't a developer's list, but I get
 the sense that there are more than a few developers here, and some of
 the sharpest people I've yet encountered online. I'm looking for some
 sage wisdom. ;)

 I haven't done any serious programming since Extended BASIC for Texas
 Instruments' TI-99/4A. I lost interest in programming shortly after my
 father brought our first Windows 3.1 machine into the house-- it was
 easier to just accept what Microsoft fed me. Linux has gotten me
 interested in learning how to do things for myself again, and I've had a
 great time reading about the mindset and culture of coding. Having
 gotten a fair handle on bash scripting, I'm interested in moving on to
 something a little more advanced. Quite frankly, I'm a little
 overwhelmed by the possibilities.

snip

 I'm interested in knowing which languages are favored by some of the
 hobbyist developers on this list, and why. Is there a particular
 programming/scripting language which seems to naturally lend itself to
 the beginner (while still being rich enough to produce some useful, if
 not particularly 'killer', applications)? Relatively easy to learn;
 powerful enough to create something other Linux users might find useful,
 should I stick with it long enough. Should I dive right into C, or might
 I be better-served by learning something about, for instance, Python or
 Perl? And if I _really_ get nuts about programming and decide that I
 want to give GUI-driven apps a try, are there languages which would lend
 themselves to something like, say, gtk (or is that a language in itself?
 See, utter newbie...).

 I would appreciate anyone's thoughts; feel free to respond off-list if
 this post shouldn't have been here in the first place. ;)


 Thanks,
 Marv

I see you've had recommendations for Perl and C already so I won't chime in on 
either of them except to say that the learning curve is pretty steep for C.  
That said both are useful and widely used.

For relearning to program again may I suggest either Python or Ruby.

Python is widely used for all kinds of tasks and widely supported.  There are 
many decent tutorials around particularly at www.python.org.

Ruby is a little newer and not so widely used.

Both are included with your distro.

The reality is that once you learn a modern programming language transferring 
the skills to another one is relatively easy.

Have fun!!!

ttfn

John

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Re: [newbie] URPMI wiped

2004-06-16 Thread Johan Sch
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:00:54 -0700
Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Johan Sch wrote:
  Hi list,
  
  It happened too me twice today .. urpmi taken permanent vacation after update .. 
  it seems that it just wipes dependencies .. even its own .. after some years of 
  using and trusting it I was let down.
  
  Well I have seen this some time ago.
  
  Kindly point me to site were I can try to find the mail please.
  Maybe if it is short kindly explain please.
  
  I did a repair by popping cd 1 and upgrade same system .. some side effects .. 
  nvidia must be re-istalled  .. urpmi in MCC additional sites wiped .. maybe 
  something else I stiil have not discovered.
  
  Thanks
 
 I've had that happen to me. Basically what you have to do is go find the 
 rpm packages to install yourself by spelunking through ftp and stuff, 
 and install everything package by package. Annoying, but I managed to do 
 it with the help of my friend, and I'm fairly new to all this stuff.
 
  From what I was told, urpmi is a fairly simple program, so it just 
 removes what needs to be removed, then installs the new stuff. But when 
 one of the things it removes is one of it's dependencies, it'll remove 
 itself too because it wasn't told ~not~ to.
 
 Good luck on getting that rolling. I haven't had a problem with it again 
 since I had to reinstall it the hard way.
 
Kind of you to reply, thanks. I did not have such good friend. I wiped that OS of the 
HD and reinstalled. Lucky I rsync my home dir and my updates from .../urpmi/rpms to a 
spare partition on regular bases.
So to reach my previous state took 5 hrs.
If this was the easy or the hard way I am not so sure.
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Re: [newbie] Un libro bueno en Linux

2004-06-16 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 23:11, John Wilson wrote:

 Anyway back to the notion of harvest season, it may not be the right time of 
 year to harvest a certain green herb that also has been known to make rope or 
 clothing but at this very moment thousands of ancient hippies are decending 
 onto Vancouver Island in search of a (not so) rare variety of mushroom that 
 is supposed to enchance a magician's act. :-)
 
 ttfn
 
 John

Your hidden knowledge of such impresses me, John...sheds a whole new
light on my view of you.

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Re: [newbie] [HAB] 40 GB USB Drive

2004-06-16 Thread OOzy
On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 17:40, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
 OOzy wrote:
  How can I install a 40 GB USB Drive? 
  
  OOzy
 
 Is the drive partitioned/formatted?  If so, I would plug it in, and then 
 look for new directories in /mnt that should automaticly be created for 
 it.  If there are no partitions or filesystems on it, it get a bit 
 harder.  You should be able to use harddrake to set up the drive.  It 
 will look like a SCSI drive to the system.
 
 Mikkel

The USB drive has two partisions one is FAT32 and the other Linux ex3.

Now, my flash card is mounted like:

none /mnt/removable supermount
dev=/dev/sdb1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu 0 0

When I plug it appears.

How can I do the same for my 40GB USB drive. Note: My 40GB is
partisioned as mentioned above.




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RE: [newbie] Proxy

2004-06-16 Thread OOzy
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 19:29, Tony S. Sykes wrote:
 You need to enable to proxy to ignore local ip addy's.
 
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 For me to go online I have to use a proxy and when I go to 127.0.0.1 it
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Re: [newbie] automatic batch editing of files

2004-06-16 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Bill Shirley wrote:
Maybe I didn't pay close enough attention, but it looked
like you guys were using 'head' and 'tail' to output to
a *.txt file leaving the original intact.
Yes, the end result IS the important thing.  However, not
saying exactly what you want to do leads to misinterpretation.
Bill

If I recall the origional request, it was to remove some lines at the 
beginning and end of the rile, and put it in a .txt file.  I don't 
remember if the origional file was wanted as a backup, but I normaly 
keep it around untill I am sure the script is producing what I want, and 
then go back and delete it.  I like to have a backup in case things go 
wrong...

I normaly read remove lines from a file as produce a new file with the 
lines removed, and keep the origional file as a backup, especialy when 
doing it as a batch job.  Unless space considerations demand otherwise, 
this is usualy the best way.  But then, I have been know to keep the 
last 3 or 4 revisions of a config file, or even use cvs to keep track of 
changes...

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Re: [newbie] URPMI wiped

2004-06-16 Thread eric jackson

- Original Message - 
From: Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] URPMI wiped


 Johan Sch wrote:
  Hi list,
 
  It happened too me twice today .. urpmi taken permanent vacation after
update .. it seems that it just wipes dependencies .. even its own .. after
some years of using and trusting it I was let down.
 
  Well I have seen this some time ago.
 
  Kindly point me to site were I can try to find the mail please.
  Maybe if it is short kindly explain please.
 
  I did a repair by popping cd 1 and upgrade same system .. some side
effects .. nvidia must be re-istalled  .. urpmi in MCC additional sites
wiped .. maybe something else I stiil have not discovered.
 
  Thanks

 I've had that happen to me. Basically what you have to do is go find the
 rpm packages to install yourself by spelunking through ftp and stuff,
 and install everything package by package. Annoying, but I managed to do
 it with the help of my friend, and I'm fairly new to all this stuff.

I had the same thing happen to me this morning. I don't have urpmi or
rpmdrake any more. I found both packages but when I click on the icon it
asked what program it should use to open the rpm with and I don't know what
to answer. The whole menu entry for Packaging has disappeared. How do I deal
with that?

Eric Jackson
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  From what I was told, urpmi is a fairly simple program, so it just
 removes what needs to be removed, then installs the new stuff. But when
 one of the things it removes is one of it's dependencies, it'll remove
 itself too because it wasn't told ~not~ to.

 Good luck on getting that rolling. I haven't had a problem with it again
 since I had to reinstall it the hard way.








 
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Re: [newbie] Un libro bueno en Linux

2004-06-16 Thread Aron Smith
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 06:11 am, John Wilson wrote:
 On June 15, 2004 11:21 pm, Aron Smith wrote:
  On Tuesday 15 June 2004 06:40 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
   On Wed, 2004-06-16 at 11:27, Aron Smith wrote:
 So ya reckon the snarling little bastard is out picking pot, eh?
   
I diddn say enuythang.
Farmer-in the -dell  High ho the merry-o
  
   Aron, ya know, someone somewhere DID program a really good spell
   checker...or are you using elm/pico/mail/emacs?
 
  no Phew-bonics.

 Anyway back to the notion of harvest season, it may not be the right time
 of year to harvest a certain green herb that also has been known to make
 rope or clothing but at this very moment thousands of ancient hippies are
 decending onto Vancouver Island in search of a (not so) rare variety of
 mushroom that is supposed to enchance a magician's act. :-)
fly agoric ?

 ttfn

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Re: [newbie] [HAB] 40 GB USB Drive

2004-06-16 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
OOzy wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 17:40, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
OOzy wrote:
How can I install a 40 GB USB Drive? 

OOzy
Is the drive partitioned/formatted?  If so, I would plug it in, and then 
look for new directories in /mnt that should automaticly be created for 
it.  If there are no partitions or filesystems on it, it get a bit 
harder.  You should be able to use harddrake to set up the drive.  It 
will look like a SCSI drive to the system.

Mikkel

The USB drive has two partisions one is FAT32 and the other Linux ex3.
Now, my flash card is mounted like:
none /mnt/removable supermount
dev=/dev/sdb1,fs=ext2:vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,kudzu 0 0
When I plug it appears.
How can I do the same for my 40GB USB drive. Note: My 40GB is
partisioned as mentioned above.

Well, I have not played with supermount, so I don't know for sure.  At a 
guess, I would try adding something like this to /etc/fstab:

none /mnt/ext_hd1 supermount
dev=/dev/sda1,fs=vfat,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1 0,0
none /mnt/ext_hd2 supermount
dev=/dev/sda2,fs=ext3,--,codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1 0,0
You will have to change /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 to match what the drive 
shows up as.  I may also have the file systems swapped, depending on how 
the drive is formatted.

I am susprised that hotplug didn't create these for you.  I know that 
PEN drives, and USB ZIP drives are handled when you plug them in.

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[newbie] libssl.so.0

2004-06-16 Thread OOzy
How do I know if this is installed on my LM9.2 or not? If not where can
I can find it?



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[newbie] Win partition write perm

2004-06-16 Thread martin brandt
Arg! This is hell.
I have been trying to obtain write permission on my windows storage partition.
I have tried chown-ing in a console (in su), i have tried changing via 
properties whilst logged in as root, i have tried in Control 
centre/security/DrakePerm by adding a new rule, modifying the current rule 
(which i shouldnt be able to do i think i read somewhere).

What am i doing wrong? Everytime i make the changes, they seem to be over 
written again, back to the old settings.

I have entry, execute and write for User, but not for Group or other.
The owner is 'root' group 'root', although if it was i would be able to change 
the permissons. I think it is some sort of windows permissions that are 
stopping me, as i have had the same problem before.

I need write permission. Is there anyway to edit the permission settings 
manually, like in an fstab type file?


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RE: [newbie] HOW TO: Create Local mirror of main, contrib updates ??

2004-06-16 Thread Jamie Kerwick
Hi Bryan,

Thanks for this, I now have a fully working local mirror of main,
contrib, jpackage and updates! (weighing it at just over 7GB, as its
RPMS only, (no source RPMS).

Next thing is to get my PLF mirror up and running. I noticed that they
have a link on their site for if you would like to mirror their
repository. However, it reads to me as though its for public mirroring.
My site is meant for internal use only (the server isn't accessible to
the outside world), would I still be permitted to use their rsync ??

Ta,

Jamie



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On Tuesday 15 June 2004 09:08 am, Jamie Kerwick wrote:

 Has anyone managed to get a local mirror working ?? If so, can you let

 me know how you achieved this?? (oh and how much disk-space is used)

Yes.  Using Rsync, there are instructions for doing so on the
Mandrakelinux download site.  The mirror size totally depends on what
you mirror.  You can mirror the Official files, Community files, Cooker
files, ISO Files, and Updates separately.  There is also the optional
Contrib section, PLF repository, and a few others.

If you want pretty much everything, plan on about 16GB.
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Re: [newbie] Win partition write perm

2004-06-16 Thread Warden, Matt
On Jun 16, martin brandt had something to say about [newbie] Win partition...

Arg! This is hell.
I have been trying to obtain write permission on my windows storage partition.
I have tried chown-ing in a console (in su), i have tried changing via
properties whilst logged in as root, i have tried in Control
centre/security/DrakePerm by adding a new rule, modifying the current rule
(which i shouldnt be able to do i think i read somewhere).

Is the partiction FAT32 or NTFS? By default you cannot write to an NTFS
partition from linux.

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Re: [newbie] HOW TO: Create Local mirror of main, contrib updates ??

2004-06-16 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
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Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Tuesday 15 June 2004 09:08 am, Jamie Kerwick wrote:
 

Has anyone managed to get a local mirror working ?? If so, can you let
me know how you achieved this?? (oh and how much disk-space is used)
   

Yes.  Using Rsync, there are instructions for doing so on the Mandrakelinux 
download site.  The mirror size totally depends on what you mirror.  You can 
mirror the Official files, Community files, Cooker files, ISO Files, and 
Updates separately.  There is also the optional Contrib section, PLF 
repository, and a few others.

If you want pretty much everything, plan on about 16GB.
Proxad doesn't support rsync.
I have a local mirror and I use the follwing in a shell script:
rsync -auvLP --delete 
mirrors.usc.edu::mandrakelinux/devel/community/i586/ 
/home/brant/mandrake/community/i586/

This grabs everything (main, contrib, updates [are contained in main]) 
for Community Edition.

It works well for me.  Very fast.
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Re: [newbie] Win partition write perm

2004-06-16 Thread martin brandt
Quoting Warden, Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Jun 16, martin brandt had something to say about [newbie] Win
 partition...
 
 Arg! This is hell.
 I have been trying to obtain write permission on my windows storage
 partition.
 I have tried chown-ing in a console (in su), i have tried changing via
 properties whilst logged in as root, i have tried in Control
 centre/security/DrakePerm by adding a new rule, modifying the current rule
 (which i shouldnt be able to do i think i read somewhere).
 
 Is the partiction FAT32 or NTFS? By default you cannot write to an NTFS
 partition from linux.
 
 --
 mattwarden
 mattwarden.com
 
 
Oh yeah, no its FAT32 formatted. I formatted it under FAT32 specifically so i 
would be able to do this.


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Re: [newbie] libssl.so.0

2004-06-16 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 12:02, OOzy wrote:
 How do I know if this is installed on my LM9.2 or not? If not where 
can
 I can find it?
 
 
 
As root issue the following command: 'slocate -u'
wait untill if finishes and then issue locate libssl.so.0
if its installed it will show up.  The locate command can be run as any 
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Re: [newbie] Good Mandrake Linux Book

2004-06-16 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
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OOzy wrote:
What is rute.pdf. Where can I find it? Is it part of my LM9.2 distro?
On Tue, 2004-06-15 at 12:49, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 

On Tuesday 15 June 2004 03:49, OOzy wrote:
   

Anybody can recommend a good Mandrake Linux Book or at least a good 
 

general
   

Linux book?

 

try rute.pdf
   

# urpmi rute
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Re: [newbie] Win partition write perm

2004-06-16 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 19:12, martin brandt wrote:
 Arg! This is hell.
 I have been trying to obtain write permission on my windows
 storage partition. I have tried chown-ing in a console (in su), i
 have tried changing via properties whilst logged in as root, i
 have tried in Control centre/security/DrakePerm by adding a new
 rule, modifying the current rule (which i shouldnt be able to do
 i think i read somewhere).

 What am i doing wrong? Everytime i make the changes, they seem to
 be over written again, back to the old settings.

 I have entry, execute and write for User, but not for Group or
 other. The owner is 'root' group 'root', although if it was i
 would be able to change the permissons. I think it is some sort
 of windows permissions that are stopping me, as i have had the
 same problem before.

 I need write permission. Is there anyway to edit the permission
 settings manually, like in an fstab type file?

To me it looks like you are getting patronized by msec, which has a 
tendency of bessermachen, at least if your security setting is 
higher and especially paranoid. Every now and then msec checks 
permissions, and if it finds something slightly out of the usual, 
it changes permissions back. So, maybe changing your security 
setting to high or standard will settle things.

On the other hand, if your windows partition is listed in 
your /etc/fstab, it should contain umask=0, something like :

/dev/hda4 /data vfat umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850 0 0

that way it will mount chmod 777 every time.

HTH

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Re: [newbie] URPMI wiped

2004-06-16 Thread Brandon Rife
eric jackson wrote:
- Original Message - 
From: Johan Sch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] URPMI wiped

 

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:46:42 -0400
eric jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

- Original Message - 
From: Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] URPMI wiped

 

Johan Sch wrote:
   

Hi list,
It happened too me twice today .. urpmi taken permanent vacation
 

after
 

update .. it seems that it just wipes dependencies .. even its own ..
 

after
 

some years of using and trusting it I was let down.
 

Well I have seen this some time ago.
Kindly point me to site were I can try to find the mail please.
Maybe if it is short kindly explain please.
I did a repair by popping cd 1 and upgrade same system .. some side
 

effects .. nvidia must be re-istalled  .. urpmi in MCC additional sites
wiped .. maybe something else I stiil have not discovered.
 

Thanks
 

I've had that happen to me. Basically what you have to do is go find
   

the
 

rpm packages to install yourself by spelunking through ftp and stuff,
and install everything package by package. Annoying, but I managed to
   

do
 

it with the help of my friend, and I'm fairly new to all this stuff.
   

I had the same thing happen to me this morning. I don't have urpmi or
rpmdrake any more. I found both packages but when I click on the icon it
asked what program it should use to open the rpm with and I don't know
 

what
 

to answer. The whole menu entry for Packaging has disappeared. How do I
 

deal
 

with that?
Eric Jackson
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Well, Eric I know how you feel.
There is not a lot of advice available on this . to date ..
The only answers to this question so far on this list are
1-The way Amy did with the help of a friend,,
Amy .. kindly if possible the required rpms to restore urpmi please.
**
2- What I did  . re-install . after saving home direcrory in safe place .
   

if you have done updates with the --noclean option all rpms should be here
../var/cache/urpmi/rpms/  ..copy them to save place.
 

**
here is rsync command I use ..
su - -c rsync -va --ignore-existing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/ \
   

/mnt/hde14-backup/mdk10/updates10/RPMS/
 

**
here is the rsync for the home directory..
su - -c rsync -av --delete /home/ \
/mnt/hde14-backup/mdk10-home/
**
You have to create the destination dirs first .. adjust the destination to
   

your system.
 

Maybe you know even more than I do about this.
Goodluck
Johan Sch
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From what I was told, urpmi is a fairly simple program, so it just
removes what needs to be removed, then installs the new stuff. But
   

when
 

one of the things it removes is one of it's dependencies, it'll remove
itself too because it wasn't told ~not~ to.
Good luck on getting that rolling. I haven't had a problem with it
   

again
 

since I had to reinstall it the hard way.
   

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May this be a good day for learning
   

I did get things straightened out. I had a urpmi rpm on a CD. I used rpm to
install it but everything else I tried to install failed because of
dependencies.
I used urpmi remove.media -a (I think) to remove my old listings. Next I
added new sources for urpmi to use. After I finished that I used urpmi to
add rpmdrake, gurpmi, drakxtools, drakxtools-newt and drakconf to my system.
Everything seems to be fine.
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When this happened to me I ran the update from the 10CE cd.  This 
installed the missing rpms and left all the newer rpms alone.  After the 
update, I just had to run urpmi --auto-select to bring everthing up to 
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Re: [newbie] Slightly large whinge

2004-06-16 Thread Richard Urwin
On Wednesday 16 Jun 2004 9:36 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:52:15 -0700

 Eric Huff disseminated the following:
  Maybe i'll give gnoppix a looksy, too.

 If you do, and when you reboot after trying it out your host name is
 fuxored, turn off your comp and leave it off for about a minute.
 Apparently the settings can stay stuck in physical memory, learned
 this the hard way m'self.

That's either magic, or what you're seeing is some data cached somewhere 
out on the net that hasn't been timed out and flushed.

1. On a power-down all the RAM will clear.
2. Linux is very careful to clear RAM before it's used, otherwise you 
could request some memory and find someone's password in it.
3. It's next to impossible to reboot and have everything in the same 
positions, byte perfect.

Having said that, a soft reboot does not reset the PCI devices, so you 
could end up with one of them in a bad state.

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[newbie] Console command to format a usb pendrive?

2004-06-16 Thread Dennis Myers
Can anyone feed me the console command for bash to reformat a usb pen drive? 
It is fat 32 now and somehow write protected but has no manual write 
protection switch. Any ideas are appreciated. I think I have the commands 
from Running Linux but want to be sure so I don't screw this thing up any 
worse than it is. Thanks,
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[newbie] I can't send e-mails

2004-06-16 Thread Josenildo Marques
Hi.

I installed 10.0. Installation was as smooth as it could be and I like
it.
However, I've got a problem with Evolution: it gives the following
error message when I try to send an e-mail
Erro ao executar operação:
Falhou RCPT TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A transação falhou

I can get messages. The only message that got through was one I sent
to myself. Strange, isn't it?

Any help appreciated.
TIA





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Re: [newbie] Slightly large whinge

2004-06-16 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:49:44 +0100
Richard Urwin disseminated the following:

  If you do, and when you reboot after trying it out your host name is
  fuxored, turn off your comp and leave it off for about a minute.
  Apparently the settings can stay stuck in physical memory, learned
  this the hard way m'self.
 
 That's either magic, or what you're seeing is some data cached somewhere 
 out on the net that hasn't been timed out and flushed.

I'm not sure how that could be. Do these live CD's pull stuff down from the 'Net
as part of their 'run'?

 1. On a power-down all the RAM will clear.
 2. Linux is very careful to clear RAM before it's used, otherwise you 
 could request some memory and find someone's password in it.
 3. It's next to impossible to reboot and have everything in the same 
 positions, byte perfect.
 
 Having said that, a soft reboot does not reset the PCI devices, so you 
 could end up with one of them in a bad state.

Strange it was, yes, but when I rebooted after removing the live CD, the first
thing I noticed was that my bash prompt had changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and simply rebooting did nothing. I went on their IRC channel
and the peeps on there seemed to be familiar with the 'problem', and immediately
gave me the advice I mentioned above, ie. leave the machine powered off for a
minute or so.

I don't doubt what you say about the RAM, you're probably right that it was
something else. All I know for sure is I nearly lost my cool (imagine that)!

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Re: [newbie] boot log?

2004-06-16 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 06:42 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
  There is also
  /var/log/boot.log
 
  eric

 I think what would be more helpful than anything is a /var/log/WTF.log

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[newbie] What port scanning software is in use on the list?

2004-06-16 Thread Terence Golightly
List,

I'm thinking about installing portsentry on my box to augment my
shorewall firewall. I downloaded the gzipped source and got some compile
errors. Before I try to post to the developer, does anybody know of an
rpm for that? Is there a better port scanning program? What do yunz out
there use?

Terry


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[newbie] SCSI Detection problem

2004-06-16 Thread Bernardo de Barros Franco








Hello,



I have tried to install Mandrake 9 and 10 to no avail, they both freeze after installing the module for the scsi controller, before (while?) detecting the scsi hds attached to it.

The funny thing is that I got the installation cds for OpenBSD 3.3, Suse 9 and Red Hat 7.3 all to detect my both HDs out of the box.

My configuration (as lspci and dmesg from the Suse
installation):

1 VIA-chipset motherboard with 512 RAM DDR400, a Pentium 4
1.8ghz processor, a CDROM on ide0 and a Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D SCSI controller
(id 7) that controls 2 IBM-PSG DNES-309170W 9.1Gb hard drives on ids 0 and 1.

After booting from the cd (Mandrake
10) and trying to install with the 2.6 kernel I get a error
when insmodding the aic7xxx. Since Ive read somewhere
that that is expected with that kernel I try an alternate boot image (the 2.4
kernel one). The module is installed ok (version 6.2.36) and detects AIC-7881U.
My controller is found correctly but then when it should list my HDs, it just stays there forever. I have tried 2 different medias for the version 10 install and tried once other media
with version 9 which had the exact same problem.

I am feeling particularly frustrated since Suse 9 has apparently the same aic7xxx module version
6.2.36 and detects the HDs without any issues. As
stated above the detection also was successful on Red Hat 7.3 and OpenBSD 3.3, but I really would ratter use Mandrake ;)



Thanks in advance,

Bernardo de Barros Franco










Re: [newbie] burning an iso

2004-06-16 Thread David E. Fox
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:46:15 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 for some reason k3b burned (10 and onlyb one cd now it won't burn any 
 i have 10.0 official and ned to put it on cd so I can set up my new
 box HELP!

Aron, I don't trust k3b.

Use cdrecord:

cdrecord -v -eject -device=ATA:1,0,0 -data -dao cdimage.iso

(Hint: from my experience, -dao goes with -data, -pad with -audio).

You may need to adjust the device settings.

If you are up give me a call. I have 10.0s on CD but they aren't
official more like CE.


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[newbie] SCSI Detection problem

2004-06-16 Thread Bernardo de Barros Franco
Hello,

I have tried to install Mandrake 9 and 10 to no avail, they both freeze
after installing the module for the scsi controller, before (while?)
detecting the scsi hds attached to it.
The funny thing is that I got the installation cds for OpenBSD 3.3, Suse
9 and Red Hat 7.3 all to detect my both HDs out of the box.
My configuration (as lspci and dmesg from the Suse installation):
1 VIA-chipset motherboard with 512 RAM DDR400, a Pentium 4 1.8ghz
processor, a CDROM on ide0 and a Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D SCSI controller
(id 7) that controls 2 IBM-PSG DNES-309170W 9.1Gb hard drives on ids 0
and 1.
After booting from the cd (Mandrake 10) and trying to install with the
2.6 kernel I get a error when insmodding the aic7xxx. Since I've read
somewhere that that is expected with that kernel I try an alternate boot
image (the 2.4 kernel one). The module is installed ok (version 6.2.36)
and detects AIC-7881U. My controller is found correctly but then when it
should list my HDs, it just stays there forever. I have tried 2
different medias for the version 10 install and tried once other media
with version 9 which had the exact same problem.
I am feeling particularly frustrated since Suse 9 has apparently the
same aic7xxx module version 6.2.36 and detects the HDs without any
issues. As stated above the detection also was successful on Red Hat 7.3
and OpenBSD 3.3, but I really would ratter use Mandrake ;)

PS: Reposting in plain-text, sorry for the inconvenience.

Thanks in advance,
Bernardo de Barros Franco



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[newbie] Mandrake 9.2 to 10.0: Upgrade or fresh install?

2004-06-16 Thread Anguo

Hello,

I have 9.2 which is fairly customized and I don't really 
want to loose all this with a fresh 10.0 install. I WILL 
back up and make notes on the most important stuff I have 
in /usr and /var that would be lost during a reformating of 
the drive, but a flawless upgrade would make many things 
easier.

Have any of you attempted to upgrade from 9.2 to 10.0 
(powerpack/official)? 
How did it go?

Any reasons why I should consider doing a fresh install 
instead?

thanks,

Anguo


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Re: [newbie] SCSI Detection problem

2004-06-16 Thread Erylon Hines
On Wednesday 16 June 2004 08:45 pm, Bernardo de Barros Franco wrote:
| Hello,
|
| I have tried to install Mandrake 9 and 10 to no avail, they both freeze
| after installing the module for the scsi controller, before (while?)
| detecting the scsi hds attached to it.
| The funny thing is that I got the installation cds for OpenBSD 3.3, Suse
| 9 and Red Hat 7.3 all to detect my both HDs out of the box.
| My configuration (as lspci and dmesg from the Suse installation):
| 1 VIA-chipset motherboard with 512 RAM DDR400, a Pentium 4 1.8ghz
| processor, a CDROM on ide0 and a Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D SCSI controller
| (id 7) that controls 2 IBM-PSG DNES-309170W 9.1Gb hard drives on ids 0
| and 1.
| After booting from the cd (Mandrake 10) and trying to install with the
| 2.6 kernel I get a error when insmodding the aic7xxx. Since I've read
| somewhere that that is expected with that kernel I try an alternate boot
| image (the 2.4 kernel one). The module is installed ok (version 6.2.36)
| and detects AIC-7881U. My controller is found correctly but then when it
| should list my HDs, it just stays there forever. I have tried 2
| different medias for the version 10 install and tried once other media
| with version 9 which had the exact same problem.
| I am feeling particularly frustrated since Suse 9 has apparently the
| same aic7xxx module version 6.2.36 and detects the HDs without any
| issues. As stated above the detection also was successful on Red Hat 7.3
| and OpenBSD 3.3, but I really would ratter use Mandrake ;)
|
| Thanks in advance,
| Bernardo de Barros Franco

You probably have one of the older Adaptec 2940 SCSI controllers.  They 
changed the drivers for their newer models a couple of years ago, and the 
driver that Mandrake installs is the new driver, which doesn't work with the 
old 2940.  Last I knew, the old driver was still on the disk, however, and 
was listed as the aic7xxx_Old (or something similar).  To install this driver 
you need to boot the install and type expert to get to the choices which 
include the old driver.  The reason RH7.x works is they were still using the 
old driver back then.  Probably ditto for BSD3--don't know about Suse.  The 
last Mandrake distro that installed the old driver as default was 8.2.  If  
you need more info, Google is you friend.

hth

Erylon



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Re: [newbie] Console command to format a usb pendrive?

2004-06-16 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
Dennis Myers wrote:
Can anyone feed me the console command for bash to reformat a usb pen
drive? It is fat 32 now and somehow write protected but has no manual
write protection switch. Any ideas are appreciated. I think I have
the commands from Running Linux but want to be sure so I don't
screw this thing up any worse than it is. Thanks,
Well, normaly you would use mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1, where the a in sda1
may change, depending on how mayn SCSI devices, and what order they are
dected.  But if your PEN drive is write protected, that may not work. 
You may be stuck running the Windows software for it, and using that to 
unlock the drive.  It sounds like write protect is implimented in 
firmware in the drive.  I don't know if the USB drivers support the SCSI 
commands to remove write protect, or even if the pen drive uses the 
standard SCSI commands...

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Re: [newbie] Can I install my own program on my web host

2004-06-16 Thread David E. Fox
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:49:10 +0300
OOzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am actually trying to give my user form where they put the
 coefficient of a transfer function. Then my script will interact with
 ocatve. Octave then will plot the Bode Plot and hand it back as jpg to
 me.


Aha. A bit more complicated that I thought ;).


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Re: [newbie] I can't send e-mails

2004-06-16 Thread robin
Josenildo Marques wrote:
Hi.
I installed 10.0. Installation was as smooth as it could be and I like
it.
However, I've got a problem with Evolution: it gives the following
error message when I try to send an e-mail
Erro ao executar operação:
Falhou RCPT TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A transação falhou
I can get messages. The only message that got through was one I sent
to myself. Strange, isn't it?
Any help appreciated.
TIA
Are you sure you have SMTP set up correctly?
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Re: [newbie] I can't send e-mails

2004-06-16 Thread David
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:07:09 -0300
Josenildo Marques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| Hi.
| 
| I installed 10.0. Installation was as smooth as it could be and I like
| it.
| However, I've got a problem with Evolution: it gives the following
| error message when I try to send an e-mail
| Erro ao executar operação:
| Falhou RCPT TO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A transação falhou
| 
| I can get messages. The only message that got through was one I sent
| to myself. Strange, isn't it?
| 
| Any help appreciated.
| TIA
| 
Sounds a bit like a problem I had when I could not send mail or access https
sites. It turn out that the my problem was my external modem, which once changed
solved everything. I'm using ML 9.2.

I suggest you check your modem on another machine if possible to see if you have
simular problem.


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