Re: [newbie] Get the word out!

2004-09-03 Thread Vincent Voois

JoeHill wrote:
A further disadvantage, Koetzle adds, is the perception that the company may
not be as committed as some of its powerful competitors to providing Linux
server products. Mandrakesoft is seen in the marketplace as always focusing on
making a usable desktop Linux, leaving the Linux server world to Red Hat and
SuSE.
Did they miss this completely?
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/corporate-server
They probably did missed it:
Available now and MandrakeStore
Just click and try to find the package.
Hmmz, looking at that page, i rather have a Prelinux installed PC for 299 USD than 299 
EUR.



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Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread Poogle
On Thursday 02 Sep 2004 20:31, Margot wrote:
 Bryan Phinney wrote:
  On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 OK then I bow to experience.
 Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the network MCC
 still asks a lot of questions you don't know the answers to, and without
 those answers it don't work. Of course that is trying to set up a
  network.
 
 I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem plus
 ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the devices
 recognised by the system, or that you also have to have the beginning of
 a network as well.
 
  Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that they
  automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast, gateway, (some
  even do the domain name) to the cards that are plugged into their
  systems.  So, simply letting the MCC wizard detect the card and then
  using the default selections (they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in
  a working network configuration.  That is pretty much why I suggested the
  router/modem route.  Otherwise, you have to configure the USB device, but
  then you are also going to have to configure the Network connection with
  ID/password, etc to get the DSL connection running.  And I don't know of
  any standalone router device so, if you want to share the network
  connection, you have to set that up on the machine too.
 
  Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation where the USB
  one would be easier than ethernet.

 We seem to be drifting a bit here...

 As I said in my original message, I need a solution that doesn't
 involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!) but I have ME
 - the combination of brainfog plus physical limitations means that
 installing anything that involves taking the case off the box is
 beyond my capabilities.

 As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside the
 box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the card but for
 the installation of it, and of course there's the inconvenience of
 having to take the box to the shop etc...plus the cost of the router
 which appears to be considerably more expensive than the USB modem.

 Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB modem.
 I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the other
 option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the ease of use
 of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the extra expense?

 Thanks
 Margot

Margot,
Following all the recomendations that you do not go the USB route, just a 
suggestion here, if there is no LUG near you, how about a call for a 
volunteer to install an ethernet card for you, if you like the idea just ask 
and say which city/town you are in - you never know one of us might live near 
you.
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Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread Margot
Margot wrote:
I've managed to track down what looks to be an ethical and 
reasonably-priced Broadband provider - www.thephone.coop - they assure 
me that their service will work with Linux (and their tech support 
didn't scream in horror when I asked!).

They don't supply a modem. Can anyone recommend one which will 
definitely work with Mandrake 10 (and with Win 98SE, as I'm now dual 
booting)? Preferably an external one, as I'm not confident with 
screwdrivers! Or, are there any I should definitely avoid?

Margot
Replying to my own post to save energy! I've had many useful 
suggestions, both on- and off-list, too many to continue replying 
individually, so this is what I'm going to do:

I need to develop some hardware expertise. I've signed up with the 
local Adult Education Centre for 2 short courses designed for 
hardware 'newbies' - one on PC Upgrade and one on Home Networking.

By December, I should at least be 'mentally' competent with a 
screwdriver, and if I can't manage the physical side, at least I'll 
have met some local people who may be able to help!

My birthday is 2 weeks before Christmas, so by the end of the year I 
should be able to afford the ethernet card and router - and maybe 
even a new screwdriver ;-)

Can anyone recommend any books or online resources on hardware? VERY 
basic level please - along the lines of 'how not to ruin a perfectly 
good computer by sticking a screwdriver in the wrong place'!

Many thanks to all who have helped steer me in the right direction - 
I don't know what I'd do without this list !

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RE: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread Tony S. Sykes
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman
 Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:33 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
 
 
 On Thursday 02 September 2004 02:31 pm, Margot wrote:
  Bryan Phinney wrote:
   On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith 
 wrote:
  OK then I bow to experience.
  Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the
   network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the
   answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of
   course that is trying to set up a network.
  
  I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem
   plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the
   devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to
   have the beginning of a network as well.
  
   Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that
   they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast,
   gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are
   plugged into their systems.  So, simply letting the MCC
   wizard detect the card and then using the default selections
   (they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in a working
   network configuration.  That is pretty much why I suggested
   the router/modem route.  Otherwise, you have to configure the
   USB device, but then you are also going to have to configure
   the Network connection with ID/password, etc to get the DSL
   connection running.  And I don't know of any standalone
   router device so, if you want to share the network
   connection, you have to set that up on the machine too.
  
   Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation
   where the USB one would be easier than ethernet.
 
  We seem to be drifting a bit here...
 
  As I said in my original message, I need a solution that
  doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!)
  but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical
  limitations means that installing anything that involves taking
  the case off the box is beyond my capabilities.
 
  As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside
  the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the
  card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the
  inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus
  the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more
  expensive than the USB modem.
 
  Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB
  modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the
  other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the
  ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the
  extra expense?
 
  Thanks
  Margot
 
  Margot, I think you need to be listening to Paul and Bryan, 
 et all, who suggest you go the hardware route and avoid USB/ 
 Speedtouch (akin to the aDSL version of a 'winmodem').  There is 
 absolutely no problem associated with removing your case cover 
 and installing a cheap D-link NIC in a pci slot. Takes less than 
 a few minutes, harddrake will find it on the next boot. I can't 
 believe that if you don't wanna do it, you can't find somebody to 
 do it for you.
 
 I believe you read the cooker list, an you should also be 
 seein the buggzilla's.  If not, then just search them for 
 'speedtouch' and 'usb'.  I think that should be argument enough 
 that Paul and Bryan are givin you the best advice. Which is why 
 I've stayed out of this till now.  https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/
 
 The only thing I'd add is, (as root) 'urpmi rp-pppoe' and run 
 'tkpppoe' to answer about a half dozen questions. Provider, 
 userID, password, DNS from server?, stuff like that.  Your adsl 
 connection can then be started with 'adsl-start', and terminated 
 with 'adsl-stop'.  It's easier to enable aDSL service this way, 
 than under Windoze.
 -- 
   Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas
Proud to be an American
 
 
Margot,

If your close to Manchester I can drive over and install it for you.

Tony.


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[newbie] Specific software to write FAQs

2004-09-03 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All
Is there some specific software to write FAQs?
Thanks in advance,
Paul


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Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread John Richard Smith
Aron Smith wrote:
On Thursday 02 September 2004 04:39 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

Aron Smith wrote:
   

.
So then I need to network my other computers via this 8-pot 10/100Mbps
switch DES-1008D, the so called D-Link,  that is not so easy ?
   

from each computer run the D-Link software ez as pi
   

John
   

Aron you got me there , whats with, D-Link software ez as pi  ?
   

Easy as 3.1415
 

John
   

 

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Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread Margot
Tony S. Sykes wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Brinkman
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband
On Thursday 02 September 2004 02:31 pm, Margot wrote:
Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:27 am, John Richard Smith 
wrote:
OK then I bow to experience.
Only I found in the device easy enough, but the with the
network MCC still asks a lot of questions you don't know the
answers to, and without those answers it don't work. Of
course that is trying to set up a network.
I just don't find it clear whether setting up a router/modem
plus ethernet can be done with nothing more than getting the
devices recognised by the system, or that you also have to
have the beginning of a network as well.
Most router/modems work based upon dhcp, which means that
they automatically assign an IP address, netmask, broadcast,
gateway, (some even do the domain name) to the cards that are
plugged into their systems.  So, simply letting the MCC
wizard detect the card and then using the default selections
(they default to DHCP IIRC) should result in a working
network configuration.  That is pretty much why I suggested
the router/modem route.  Otherwise, you have to configure the
USB device, but then you are also going to have to configure
the Network connection with ID/password, etc to get the DSL
connection running.  And I don't know of any standalone
router device so, if you want to share the network
connection, you have to set that up on the machine too.
Again, to each his own, but I can't imagine any situation
where the USB one would be easier than ethernet.
We seem to be drifting a bit here...
As I said in my original message, I need a solution that
doesn't involve screwdrivers - not just because I'm a girl (!)
but I have ME - the combination of brainfog plus physical
limitations means that installing anything that involves taking
the case off the box is beyond my capabilities.
As I understand it, an ethernet card would be installed inside
the box - which means that I'd have to pay not only for the
card but for the installation of it, and of course there's the
inconvenience of having to take the box to the shop etc...plus
the cost of the router which appears to be considerably more
expensive than the USB modem.
Right now, I can afford the broadband service plus the USB
modem. I'd have to save up for another 2-3 months to go for the
other option. I'd appreciate your opinion on this - will the
ease of use of the ethernet option be worth the wait and the
extra expense?
Thanks
Margot
Margot, I think you need to be listening to Paul and Bryan, 
et all, who suggest you go the hardware route and avoid USB/ 
Speedtouch (akin to the aDSL version of a 'winmodem').  There is 
absolutely no problem associated with removing your case cover 
and installing a cheap D-link NIC in a pci slot. Takes less than 
a few minutes, harddrake will find it on the next boot. I can't 
believe that if you don't wanna do it, you can't find somebody to 
do it for you.

   I believe you read the cooker list, an you should also be 
seein the buggzilla's.  If not, then just search them for 
'speedtouch' and 'usb'.  I think that should be argument enough 
that Paul and Bryan are givin you the best advice. Which is why 
I've stayed out of this till now.  https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/

   The only thing I'd add is, (as root) 'urpmi rp-pppoe' and run 
'tkpppoe' to answer about a half dozen questions. Provider, 
userID, password, DNS from server?, stuff like that.  Your adsl 
connection can then be started with 'adsl-start', and terminated 
with 'adsl-stop'.  It's easier to enable aDSL service this way, 
than under Windoze.
--
 Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas
  Proud to be an American


Margot,
If your close to Manchester I can drive over and install it for you.
Tony.
Sweet of you to offer, Tony - unfortunately, I'm in Kent!
I'm going to try the Adult Education centre courses - with any luck, 
I'll be able to learn how to install the ethernet card myself, 
perhaps with a little help by remote control from the kind people 
on this list ;-)

Margot

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Re: [newbie] Specific software to write FAQs

2004-09-03 Thread Margot
Paul Smith wrote:
Dear All
Is there some specific software to write FAQs?
Thanks in advance,
Paul

Where do you want to publish them? If you want them on a website, 
you could try Mozilla Composer (part of the standard Mozilla 
package) - you can write your own HTML in it, or use the WYSIWYG, so 
it's good for HTML newbies. If you want to produce your FAQs on 
paper, try scribus - a DTP program, fairly easy to use.

Margot

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Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 03 September 2004 04:14, Margot wrote:
 Margot wrote:
snip
 Can anyone recommend any books or online resources on
 hardware? VERY basic level please - along the lines of 'how
 not to ruin a perfectly good computer by sticking a
 screwdriver in the wrong place'!

 Many thanks to all who have helped steer me in the right
 direction - I don't know what I'd do without this list !

 Margot
Just a couple of things.  Do not ever!!! work on a box that is 
not unplugged!  Either buy a grounding strap or make one.  Like 
so: strip the insulation from a piece of copper wire enough to 
go around your wrist.  Fasten the bare wire around your wrist in 
contact with bare skin. Connect a metal clip lead to the other 
end of the wire connected to your wrist.  Connect the clip lead 
to bare metal of the box before you pick up your new 
screwdriver! Do not touch the chips or components on the boards. 
Always observe the above and the chances of doing damage go way 
down.
Regards:
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Re: [newbie] Modem needed for UK Broadband

2004-09-03 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Friday 03 September 2004 05:14 am, Margot wrote:

 lotsa snipping

 I need to develop some hardware expertise. I've signed up with the
 local Adult Education Centre for 2 short courses designed for
 hardware 'newbies' - one on PC Upgrade and one on Home Networking.

Good plan.


 By December, I should at least be 'mentally' competent with a
 screwdriver, and if I can't manage the physical side, at least I'll
 have met some local people who may be able to help!

Screwdrivers aren't all that complex. There are two basic kinds: Flat blade 
and Phillips. (Electrical engineers sometimes refer to them as postive and 
negative.) Shiny end towards the fastener. Clockwise to tighten, 
counterclockwise to loosen. Hell, even my son has mastered the skill, and his 
degree is in history. Also read up on nut drivers -- kinda like screwdrivers 
but fit hex headed fasteners. Very useful for PC assembly.


 Can anyone recommend any books or online resources on hardware? VERY
 basic level please - along the lines of 'how not to ruin a perfectly
 good computer by sticking a screwdriver in the wrong place'!

I recommend PC Hardware in a Nutshell' by Robert Bruce Thompson and Barbara 
Fritchman Thompson; published by O'Reilly (www.oreilly.com). It's the only 
user-level hardware reference that focuses more on Linux than Windows. Well 
written and illustrated, and reasonably up-to-date.


 Many thanks to all who have helped steer me in the right direction -
 I don't know what I'd do without this list !

 Margot

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[newbie] Re: Specific software to write FAQs

2004-09-03 Thread Björn Lundin
Paul Smith wrote:

 Dear All
 
 Is there some specific software to write FAQs?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul
I think docbook has a questions and answers set
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Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-09-03 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote:
 I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat.

 J or M Montgomery wrote:
  On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:04:39 +0200
 
  Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 am. Fifthly, some years ago she used some Windows-installation
  CDs for rifle practice, and now she wants to do do the same
  with those restore-CDs.
 
  There is a nice final solution to the MS crap.
 
  Take all of your Win Cds and make them as for a darts board.
  The rules subtract 25 points for each total miss and instant
  loss of game if you hit the center hole.  Damage must be done
  in order to score points.
 
  When a winner is declared he/she gets the opportunity to boot
  boot the computer and reformat the HDD.  If left at this point
  you could call it an uninstall party.  Better though is to let
  a MS user install Mandrake and then you have an install party.
 
  Cheers
 
  John Montgomery

Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom.
On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit 
from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and 
gives you a warm, inner joy.

Kaj Haulrich.
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Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-09-03 Thread Vincent Voois

Kaj Haulrich wrote:
On Friday 03 September 2004 20:54, Vincent Voois wrote:
I thought they where a good serve as a cup-placemat.

Windows-CDs absorb coffee, Coke and beer almost as bad as wisdom.
On the other hand, if you've never seen one of those CDs take a hit 
from a 7,62 mm rifle at 300 meters, try it. It is spectacular and 
gives you a warm, inner joy.

I tried using them as frisbee and have my dog catch it, but it broke in a thousand 
pieces and my dog pukes from those CD's as well.


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[newbie] Trouble installing 10.1

2004-09-03 Thread Aron Smith
down loaded 10.1 RC2 but caint get it to install 
I get the message 
Kernal panic No INIT found
Has anyone had this problem before
TIA
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Re: [newbie] System locks up every 10days

2004-09-03 Thread Chris
On Friday 03 September 2004 09:50 am, Tom Brinkman wrote:

 SYS = SBr   On most all boards the SB temp is from a
 thermistor at or very near the boards main chipset. The warmest
 part of your motherboard.  Usually taken from a pin on the
 chipset. Normally around 40C, should stay under 45C, but 50C
 would be the upper limit.  Mine'll hit 46C running cpuburn's
 'burnK7' (extreme load), CPU is in the upper 50C's at this point,
 also an upper limit, with ambient room temp around 80F.


From the googling done, SBr is the southbridge chip, but, as I said earlier 
I don't know what its function is.  

Sep  3 14:18:21 cpollock sensord:   CPU Temp: 46.9 C (limit = 59.9 C, 
hysteresis = 55.1 C)
Sep  3 14:18:21 cpollock sensord:   SYS Temp: 40.0 C (limit = 49.7 C, 
hysteresis = 39.9 C)
Sep  3 14:18:21 cpollock sensord:   SBr Temp: 26.0 C (limit = 65.4 C, 
hysteresis = 59.9 C)

These are reported twice an hour with logcheck and emailed to me.

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[newbie] Can only run mozilla as root

2004-09-03 Thread Scott Wagner
Hi
I downloaded mozilla RPMs on my daughter's computer into her /home
directory and installed them with rpmdrake.  
libnspr4-1.6-12mdk.i586
libnss3-1.6-12mdk.i586
mailcap-2.0.4-12mdk.noarch
mozilla-1.6-12mdk.i586

I can only start the browser from the konsole if I su to root. The
permissions of the executable are,

ls -l /usr/bin/mozilla
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 6603 Mar 22 11:14 /usr/bin/mozilla*

the same as on my box, where it runs properly.  I can't think of any
reason why it shouldn't run.  

Cheers,
Scott





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Re: [newbie] Can only run mozilla as root

2004-09-03 Thread Paul
Op Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:18:10 -0400 schreef Scott Wagner:

I can only start the browser from the konsole if I su to root. The
permissions of the executable are,

When you run mozilla from a prompt as regular user, what messages do
appear, if any?
That might shed some light.

Paul

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[newbie] recent updates

2004-09-03 Thread Charles A Edwards
Recently updated for Mdk 10.0

abiword-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-abicommand-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-abigimp-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-aiksaurus-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-babelfish-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-freetranslation-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-gda-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-gdict-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-gdkpixbuf-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-google-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-graphics-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-imagemagick-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-impexp-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-ots-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-shell-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-urldict-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
abiword-plugin-wikipedia-2.1.6-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
gaim-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
gaim-encrypt-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
gaim-festival-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
gaim-perl-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
gaim-tcl-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
libgaim-remote0-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
libgaim-remote0-devel-0.82.1-0.2mdk.cae.i586.rpm
xfce-clipman-plugin-0.4.1-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
xfce-diskperf-plugin-1.5-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
xfce-netload-plugin-0.2.3-0.1mdk.i586.rpm
xfce-wavelan-0.4.0-1mdk.i586.rpm



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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 Update to GTK 2.4

2004-09-03 Thread Eric Huff
  I have been meaning forever to see where to go to figure out how
  to get files to drag and drop out of sylpheed.  For some reason,
  claws doesn't work in or out, but in regular sylpheed, you could
  put files in as an attachment, but still not out...
 
 A point of order!!
 
 If you are using rpms from my site you Are Never allowed to say
 anything disparaging of sylpheed-claws (-:

I apologize and accept all punishment.  :)

Seriously, though, i *love* claws and am very gracious you rpm it
for us!

eric

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Re: [newbie] M$ has beaten Linux?

2004-09-03 Thread Stephen Kühn
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Re: [newbie] MDK 9.2 Update to GTK 2.4

2004-09-03 Thread Eric Huff
  Oooh, tell us more.  I use rox all the time, but haven't sent
  much time on the extra goodies.
 
 If you install ROX as a regular user, ie. from the source tarball,
 it automagically creates an ~/Apps and a ~/Choices dir, where you
 can drop all those handy and kewl apps for easy access,

I get the Choices, but not the Apps dir.  I think i will do a user
install.

They seem to keep adding goodies over there...

 easily add them to the'Send To' menu. See my site for shots of a
 couple of examples of this in action. I really like MusicBox and
 RoxDao for playing MP3's and burning WAV's to CD.

Ok, i guess i will finally have to take the plunge and figure out
the rest of rox.  I like the Apps dir and the send to with icons
instead of just crunch-wheels:

http://www.freeyourmachine.org/pics/roxnpekwm.png

 Thomas Leonard seems to think it might be a bug in Sylpheed:

http://www.freedesktop.org/bin/view/Main/Draganddropwarts#Wart_3_Malformed_URIs_in_text_ur

hmm...  I'll keep that one handy.

Thanks for the tips,
eric


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