Re: [newbie] [HAB] Can't go to https site with either Netscape, Firefox, Opera
On Friday 24 September 2004 05:00, MyEE wrote: Dears, Netscape, Firefox and Opera can't read any site that starts with HTTPS. They say The operation is timed out: This is true for Linux and Windows version of the above browsers. Unfortunately, IE has not problem to get HTTPS site. Can any one help? If it were just Linux browsers that had the problem I would suspect that you did not have openssl installed. But since it affects the Windows versions, and also Netscape which is statically linked, then I would suspect that your ISP is operating a transparent proxy server on Port 443. Although why a proxy server should refuse to work with anything but a Microsoft browser escapes me. (Unless Microsoft are your ISP!) It is possible to circumvent a proxy server by installing your own Squid proxy server and routing all your traffic to a second public parent proxy server. Such an arrangement uses different port numbers which would go around your ISPs proxy server. Unfortunately setting that up requires a fair bit of research. I would suggest that if possible you try out a different ISP (perhaps by dialup) to confirm that your current ISP is interfering with your traffic. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Strange diff check ?
On Friday 24 September 2004 05:25, Dan Gordon wrote: I got this tonight when the nightly security check was done. Security Warning: the md5 checksum for one of your SUID files has changed, maybe an intruder modified one of these suid binary in order to put in a backdoor... - Checksum changed file : /usr/bin/lbp660 I looked at the file it looks like an unknown file, the general proterties says its an unknown file type but permisions says it is executable and ownership is user root and group system. Maybe its nothing but it kinda got the hair up on the back of my neck. Anyone seen this before ? Regards, Dan Gordon Did you just upgrade your printer-filters package? That file is a Canon printer driver. Not an obvious target for a compromise :-) derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [HAB] Can't go to https site with either Netscape, Firefox, Opera
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:17:21 +0100 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 24 September 2004 05:00, MyEE wrote: Dears, Netscape, Firefox and Opera can't read any site that starts with HTTPS. They say The operation is timed out: This is true for Linux and Windows version of the above browsers. Unfortunately, IE has not problem to get HTTPS site. Can any one help? I ran into this problem a while back, it turned out to be due to a modem problem. In my case NO browser could access https sites ... If you can, substitute you modem - see if the problem goes away. Cheer John (NZ) pgpGaSKGPJunl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Tv/FM Tuner
what is the player you are using for the radio and the Tv best Regards, On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:19:37 -0500, Hank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I Have this same card and works fine although I did have to move from Alsa to OSS in order for my sound to work but that was more a motherboard issue than a tv tuner card issue. But if I can be of any assistance let me know and will try to help. One thing I did find was that when you go into Mandrake control center and then into hardware control was that you have to manually set the card to kworld KW-TV878RF and the tuner card to a phillips NTSC (FI1236, FM1236MK3 or FM1236F). Then enable radio support at the bottom. Hope this helps. Hank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- --Kassem Nasser-- Kassem Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] American University of Beirut [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.O.Box 11 -0236/5253 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Riad El Solh Beirut: 1107 2020 WS:www.students.aub.edu.lb\~kmn01 Lebanon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 mouse lockup
On Thursday 23 September 2004 23:18, Tom Karen Pino wrote: This all sounds interesting. There are a couple of problems. snip More people would read your messages if you did not send as HTML. Plain text is not automatically deleted. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Tv/FM Tuner
--- Kassem Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the player you are using for the radio and the Tv best Regards, I personally like xawtv. Also if you have a remote control for your TV tuner you should install lirc. = I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
Maybe you are using the wrong Distro. since that is what Mandrake is about. maybe you should look at Gentoo :) snip Sorry, I simply don't agree. If making it easier means sacrificing features, freedom, customization, then I don't want it to be any easier./snip On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 19:00, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Thursday 23 September 2004 16:25, Lanman wrote: Feel free to get as annoyed as you want, but I beg to differ on some of your points of view. Still, I respect the fact that you have a right to them, and I'm not saying that mine is better than yours but consider this,... Differences are what makes the world an interesting place. I find that many times, scripts are written from the personal point of view. That is, from the perspective of a person who has done several installs of a program, and has prepared the system in advance. Many things which would normally be included in a script file, are omitted on purpose - since the person writing the script didn't need it for their own install (assuming that their database or apache config had already been completed), or by accident simply due to the fact that the script writer felt that anyone using the script would have already done these preparations. I can think of a multitude of other reasons, all of which would point to the human-factor. We have nothing to disagree about here. Again, I was suggesting that the script be used as a guide. See their steps, figure out if something is missing and fill in the blanks. I always keep in mind that an RPM usually installs the necessary files but doesn't necessarily configure the environment. I have worked with a lot of packages so far that needed to be configured after I installed the RPM, I don't count on those to be one-stop installations. You can count me into the Others category here. Helping others is one of the way that my company contributes back to the Linux community. I make it the responsibility of every employee to contribute something, even though I'm the one paying their salaries while they're out helping on a volunteer basis. They select the person or persons or groups they will assist and we allot a salary incentive to those staff members who can track and vouch for that time. When I waltz in and ask for help, I'm not asking for a lecture or perspective on whether or not the help is billable or not. I've taken hours and days out of my time to help others on this list (past and present), and will continue to do so in the future. For me, it's not always a question of money. If you're curious, I'd be willing to send you a short list of some of the most recent times I've helped others. I don't really need one, and I am not questioning whether you have contributed or helped someone. I am questioning the tone of your second message that was basically, if I can't get this to work and no one helps me to get it working, then Gnu/Linux isn't insert FUD phrase here. First of all, whether ogo works or not is no reflection on Linux. Second, whether or not that particular package works for you is not a reflection of anything more than that that particular package is not working for you. I never fault anything else first before I fault myself. That said, I have often come out vigorously against people who have seemed to suggest that if they didn't get what they wanted, then somehow Linux was at fault and it was not worth bothering with. I still find the tone of such a suggestion infuriating. Fortunately for both of us, I wasn't saying I can't get something to work, can someone give me exact instructions to make it work in my environment, with my installed software, telling me exactly what to do, I was asking if anyone had managed to get it working in Mandrake and whether they could help or not. If you need a reminder of that, I'll be happy to re-post my original message. I remember the first message, and I will note that I did not GRRR until you posted your second one. Like I said in my previous post, I fail to see why anyone would bother to make and include the RPM's for something that can't be installed easily. If Linux is going to make a bigger dent in the world, it's going to have to fix this type of problem. FYI, I consider 4 days sufficient time. Well, you know your own levels of expertise better than do I. Usually, I get something working the first time and then calculate sufficient time in future against the baseline. For what it is worth, my first Linux installation/configuration took about 6 months before I got things working well enough that I felt comfortable dumping Windows entirely. YMMV. However, like any smart consumer, I am not about to buy a package or pay for support for something that I haven't seen, and I would hope that you wouldn't either. All I've seen are a few screen shots which don't tell me whether
RE: [newbie] Strange diff check ?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Derek Jennings Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Strange diff check ? On Friday 24 September 2004 05:25, Dan Gordon wrote: I got this tonight when the nightly security check was done. Security Warning: the md5 checksum for one of your SUID files has changed, maybe an intruder modified one of these suid binary in order to put in a backdoor... - Checksum changed file : /usr/bin/lbp660 I looked at the file it looks like an unknown file, the general proterties says its an unknown file type but permisions says it is executable and ownership is user root and group system. Maybe its nothing but it kinda got the hair up on the back of my neck. Anyone seen this before ? Regards, Dan Gordon Did you just upgrade your printer-filters package? That file is a Canon printer driver. Not an obvious target for a compromise :-) derek Yes I did and it is a canon printer I have, Thanks Derek the hair on the back of the neck is now down. There were several bug and security updates and printer filters and test pages were among them. Thanks again :-) Regards, Dan Gordon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.768 / Virus Database: 515 - Release Date: 9/22/2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
On Friday 24 September 2004 08:44, Scott Rineer wrote: Maybe you are using the wrong Distro. since that is what Mandrake is about. According to who? maybe you should look at Gentoo :) If you want an MS replacement, I believe that is pretty much the stated goal of Linspire. -- Bryan Phinney Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] normalizing mp3 files across directories
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:16:51 +, PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-23 at 12:27 -0400, Todd Slater wrote: You should just be able to point to all of your directories from the command line, such as normalize -m /path/to/dir1/*.wav /path/to/dir2/*.wav snip many thanks for the tips No prob, I thought about it some more and it should be as simple as normalize -m `find /top/directory/to/recurse -type f -iname '*.wav'` Note that those are backticks and not quotes. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] compatible web cams
Can anyone tell me where I can find a list of compatible web cams for MDK 10.0 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
On Friday 24 September 2004 14:44, Scott Rineer wrote: Maybe you are using the wrong Distro. since that is what Mandrake is about. maybe you should look at Gentoo :) snip Sorry, I simply don't agree. If making it easier means sacrificing features, freedom, customization, then I don't want it to be any easier./snip Scott that's where I strongly disagree with you and with the same right say that anyone who does want to give up features should be looking at Linspire. Being the nice list nazi that I am: If you hadn't top-posted you wouldn't have looked silly snipping from a complete message shown below anyway. And (as I didn't pay attention the first time) please get rid of the reply to... so's messages will go to the list instead of to you personally. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
Here we go again, Bryan Phinney wrote: I don't really need one, and I am not questioning whether you have contributed or helped someone. I am questioning the tone of your second message that was basically, if I can't get this to work and no one helps me to get it working, then Gnu/Linux isn't insert FUD phrase here. First of all, whether ogo works or not is no reflection on Linux. Second, whether or not that particular package works for you is not a reflection of anything more than that that particular package is not working for you. I never fault anything else first before I fault myself. I often use the term Linux as a general term which is intended to include Open-Source software and the concepts behind it. This is mostly due to the perception of consumers whom I deal with daily. In order to shorten those conversations, I will often use Linux to represent both the OS and the Open-Source software . After all, Mandrake calls it Mandrake-Linux, not Mandrake-Linux plus a whack of Open-Source software, and neither do I. I will however make an effort to point out that I mean both the OS and the extra software when I refer to them collectively as Linux. I'm probably not the only one to do that. When I mentioned this earlier, I meant that the public's perception of Linux extends to include most Open-Sourced software which runs on Linux. That being the case, I too have adopted that attitude, for better or for worse, but it tends to keeps my conversations with clients a lot shorter than they could be. That said, there is no way on this green earth that it should take 4 days to get something the likes of OGO to work. I fail to see how you interpreted my exasperation at the difficulties I was having with OGO as a FUD statement, or that I was comparing OGO to Microsoft. My second post states; If Linux is going to make a bigger dent in the world, it's going to have to fix this type of problem. To clarify this, I meant that consumers will expect Linux (read as Linux and Open-Source software) to be installable and usable without the type of problems that I've encountered with OGO. While they may experience no difficulty in getting Linux installed and running, they will not be very happy about switching to Linux if other applications are as difficult to set up as OGO has shown me to be. They certainly won't spend 4 days on it. Most IT's and sysadmins won't be allowed that much time to get it working. Many people and/or companies making the switch have been used to installing and configuring Microsoft-based software and applications. In most cases, that software is not difficult to configure and on those occasions when it is, the documentation is clear enough to walk them through the complicated parts and to get them up and running. OGO doesn't even come close. In many of these instances, they have switched to Linux because they've been told of the virtues of Linux, only to be disappointed with something that has proven to be too difficult to install or to get running. In some cases it was due to a management decision, and as we've seen on this list lately due to people getting fed-up with the problems they've faced with Windows. Does it make any sense for them to swap one set of problems for another? That said, I have often come out vigorously against people who have seemed to suggest that if they didn't get what they wanted, then somehow Linux was at fault and it was not worth bothering with. I still find the tone of such a suggestion infuriating. As infuriating as it might make you, I was reffering to the user experience and all O-S software, including the O/S. Take it whichever way you'd like but that's just the way things are. They will assume that Linux (et al) is far too complicated, especially if they can't even get OGO running enough so as to get to the main configuration page. At least a running OGO will give them confidence in their abilities to learn more about it or to recommend it for deployment. Worst-case scenario, they'll have an opportunity to see if they can at least get it back to defaults if they screw something up afterwards. Like I said in my previous post, I fail to see why anyone would bother to make and include the RPM's for something that can't be installed easily. If Linux is going to make a bigger dent in the world, it's going to have to fix this type of problem. FYI, I consider 4 days sufficient time. Well, you know your own levels of expertise better than do I. Usually, I get something working the first time and then calculate sufficient time in future against the baseline. For what it is worth, my first Linux installation/configuration took about 6 months before I got things working well enough that I felt comfortable dumping Windows entirely. YMMV. Yes, I do know my own levels. Getting something to work the first time seems to be the norm for both of us. However, my approach is to immediately find ways to save the installation procedures,
[newbie] Asterisk PBX ver 1.0 RPM?
Does anyone know where I can download the above mentioned file? Thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
On Friday 24 September 2004 10:31, Lanman wrote: To clarify this, I meant that consumers will expect Linux (read as Linux and Open-Source software) to be installable and usable without the type of problems that I've encountered with OGO. While they may experience no difficulty in getting Linux installed and running, they will not be very happy about switching to Linux if other applications are as difficult to set up as OGO has shown me to be. They certainly won't spend 4 days on it. Most IT's and sysadmins won't be allowed that much time to get it working. Well, let's just get down to the bottom line here, rather than continuing what appears to be a pointless debate. If Mandrake wants to sell a product to consumers that is marketed along the lines of it being a drop-in replacement for Windows/commercial software, then they will certainly need to work on making their distribution match up well with what is currently offered in Windows/commercial software. I don't personally think that is what they are trying to do. I think that if they do go down that path, they will get trounced badly by MS because it already has the comparitive advantage there. The only way that I can see to make a non-MS OS living is to pick a new business model (the commodity OS with custom services) and compete there. I expect that a lot of Linux companies are looking to put out a product that is relatively easy to get to work and depend on pre-installations on machines for those that don't want to learn anything, and sell services on the side to the others. I think that in order to duplicate Windows, you will need to duplicate everything about their business model. In other words, if you want seamless, ease of use, out of the box, then all the developers concerned will have to be controlled so that they deliver the same thing. Much like a franchise restaurant. You don't go to McDonalds to get new, inventive cooking. You go because you know exactly what you will get, regardless of which restaurant you go to. I, personally, don't want to trade one slave master in the form of Microsoft for another. So, I prefer for Gnu/Linux to be enough of a commodity system that if I decide I don't like the direction of one distribution, I can switch over to another. My preference. Perhaps you don't share it. Many people and/or companies making the switch have been used to installing and configuring Microsoft-based software and applications. In most cases, that software is not difficult to configure and on those occasions when it is, the documentation is clear enough to walk them through the complicated parts and to get them up and running. OGO doesn't even come close. Again, I will reiterate here, Lanman, OGO is an Enterprise level Groupware product. How many consumers do you think are in the market to install an enterprise level groupware product in their home? Is it just me, or are your expectations for this particular type of product a little high? Peoplesoft is not an easy product to install. SAP is not an easy product to install. Lotus Notes is not an easy product to install. All of these things share a couple of things in common. First, they are enterprise level and thus very complex. Second, they usually aren't picked up out of Best Buy, by Joe Sixpack for him to install and use at his house. In many of these instances, they have switched to Linux because they've been told of the virtues of Linux, only to be disappointed with something that has proven to be too difficult to install or to get running. In some cases it was due to a management decision, and as we've seen on this list lately due to people getting fed-up with the problems they've faced with Windows. Does it make any sense for them to swap one set of problems for another? To gain freedom, yes. To switch from one being locked into one vendor to another one, no. If my interpretation of your above statement is correct, your POV of enterprises could use a bit of an update. Enterprises spend as much time as possible evaluating new solutions, and when a Linux-based application is considered, they either do their own in-house evaluations or hire a company or consultant such as myself (et al) to provide that information or service. Yes, my point was that they hire someone else. Most do not have the expertise in-house and at any rate, they want someone else to assume the risk for getting problems worked out, right? So they hire a consultant and don't even look at the package itself, they just have a list of features that they want and vendors/contractors et al agree to meet that list. The point here is that any company or community organization building Open-Source solutions has the ability to make their products easier to install and configure. In doing so, they also have the ability to define the requirements of their software. That type of definition could solve much of the problems
[newbie] Tv/FM Tuner card
I Use TvTime or Xawtv to watch Tv and either Kradio or Gnomeradio as both work. KDetv crashed too much on me and Zapping always gave me problems. otherwise works great. Also you might want to use the equivalent PAL setting instead of the NTSC setting as that would be more appropriate for your area. I don't know if NTSC is just peculiar to my region or if your country uses it too. Maybe a more knowledgeable person can clear up that as I do know Japan uses PAL as well as some European countries. Hank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
Here's the last of it Bryan, Bryan Phinney wrote: Well, let's just get down to the bottom line here, rather than continuing what appears to be a pointless debate. This is the first and only thing you wrote that makes perfect sense to me. I asked the list for help and bitched about OGO and the need to improve it and other Open-Source software. You got your nose out of joint about my comments and that's where it essentially ended. Everything else was philosophy, perspective, opinions. At that point, this conversation should have been sent to the OT list, or we should have both kept further comments to ourselves. So, let's do ourselves a favour and either continue this off list, or drop it. We both have opinions, we both believe we're right, and we work in different parts of the industry. That alone should tell us that we're bound to have different opinions. I vented my frustrations at the piss-poor effort someone made with OGO, and you vented about my venting. I think this ones a dead horse. So the next time you see a post from me on the list and you don't like my comments, just spent a few hours typing GRRR! on your keyboard and leave it at that, OK? No amount of expressing your comments will change my perspective and vice-versa. Let's move on, cause we both have better things to do and I don't want to waste any more resources on this. Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:00:26 -0400 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the last of it Bryan, Bryan Phinney wrote: Well, let's just get down to the bottom line here, rather than continuing what appears to be a pointless debate. This is the first and only thing you wrote that makes perfect sense to me. I asked the list for help and bitched about OGO and the need to improve it and other Open-Source software. You got your nose out of joint about my comments and that's where it essentially ended. Everything else was philosophy, perspective, opinions. At that point, this conversation should have been sent to the OT list, or we should have both kept further comments to ourselves. So, let's do ourselves a favour and either continue this off list, or drop it. We both have opinions, we both believe we're right, and we work in different parts of the industry. That alone should tell us that we're bound to have different opinions. I vented my frustrations at the piss-poor effort someone made with OGO, and you vented about my venting. I think this ones a dead horse. So the next time you see a post from me on the list and you don't like my comments, just spent a few hours typing GRRR! on your keyboard and leave it at that, OK? No amount of expressing your comments will change my perspective and vice-versa. Let's move on, cause we both have better things to do and I don't want to waste any more resources on this. Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Brian and LM Thanks for the discussion. It helped me understand both my frustration at putting the office back on win2k and reinforced my intention of nailing them with mdk again next year. Lee -- My new address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Current address will not work after December. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
On Friday 24 September 2004 18:03, Lee Wiggers wrote: Thanks for the discussion. It helped me understand both my frustration at putting the office back on win2k and reinforced my intention of nailing them with mdk again next year. Yep, It was an interesting little joust wasn't it? Picked up some nice pointers from both:) Especially B's remark about users convinced of the right of being stupid because they were thus encouraged by the software they used' brought some puzzling previous experiences into perspective. I suppose ease_of_use/idiot-proof and flexibility/choice don't go together well. It's up to us to create the best usable compromise and discussions like these certainly help. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
On Friday 24 September 2004 16:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 24 September 2004 18:03, Lee Wiggers wrote: Thanks for the discussion. It helped me understand both my frustration at putting the office back on win2k and reinforced my intention of nailing them with mdk again next year. Yep, It was an interesting little joust wasn't it? Picked up some nice pointers from both:) Especially B's remark about users convinced of the right of being stupid because they were thus encouraged by the software they used' brought some puzzling previous experiences into perspective. I suppose ease_of_use/idiot-proof and flexibility/choice don't go together well. It's up to us to create the best usable compromise and discussions like these certainly help. I agree and thank both for a lively discussion. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OpenGroupware
Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Friday 24 September 2004 16:10, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 24 September 2004 18:03, Lee Wiggers wrote: Thanks for the discussion. It helped me understand both my frustration at putting the office back on win2k and reinforced my intention of nailing them with mdk again next year. Yep, It was an interesting little joust wasn't it? Picked up some nice pointers from both:) Especially B's remark about users convinced of the right of being stupid because they were thus encouraged by the software they used' brought some puzzling previous experiences into perspective. I suppose ease_of_use/idiot-proof and flexibility/choice don't go together well. It's up to us to create the best usable compromise and discussions like these certainly help. I agree and thank both for a lively discussion. Glad to be of service gents! Sigh! Now I'm off to scrape the callouses off of my fingertips. Lanman Registered Linux User #190712 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Odd Internet problem...
Okay, all of a sudden my 13 year olds comp refuses to get on the Internet. This is a system loaded with v9.2 (download editon) of Mandrake. I've got cablemodem service, with a DLink router. I've always used static ip addresses and MAC addresses assigned to each comp on the Lan. My 13 year olds is: darkforce2.ky.org 192.168.0.101 When he boots up, he can ping himself, or any other comp on the LAN. When I run ifconfig as root, it shows his ip address above, and it looks just the output from ifconfig on the other comps on the LAN (noting of course, the diff. mac and ip addressess). This was a reliably working setup, for over a year now and I can't for the life of me figure out what changed. He swears that he didn't touch or change anything. I looked at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and it looks like its supposed to, identical to the other comps on the LAN, noting the diff. in ip addressess again. Okay, after further scouting around we did notice something really odd. The hardware address for his NIC is now different than it was before. Why would this change? I tried going into the config page for my router and changing it to the new hardware address then restarting everything but it made no difference. Any ideas anyone? Any directions or leads? Thanks, a very confused - -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Sat, 2004-09-25 at 11:52, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Okay, all of a sudden my 13 year olds comp refuses to get on the Internet. This is a system loaded with v9.2 (download editon) of Mandrake. I've got cablemodem service, with a DLink router. I've always used static ip addresses and MAC addresses assigned to each comp on the Lan. My 13 year olds is: darkforce2.ky.org 192.168.0.101 When he boots up, he can ping himself, or any other comp on the LAN. When I run ifconfig as root, it shows his ip address above, and it looks just the output from ifconfig on the other comps on the LAN (noting of course, the diff. mac and ip addressess). This was a reliably working setup, for over a year now and I can't for the life of me figure out what changed. He swears that he didn't touch or change anything. I looked at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and it looks like its supposed to, identical to the other comps on the LAN, noting the diff. in ip addressess again. Okay, after further scouting around we did notice something really odd. The hardware address for his NIC is now different than it was before. Why would this change? I tried going into the config page for my router and changing it to the new hardware address then restarting everything but it made no difference. Any ideas anyone? Any directions or leads? Thanks, a very confused - ...and I'm sure you checked the GATEWAY= bit, too, yeah? ...and the /etc/resolv.conf ? -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. If you're happy, you're successful. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Friday 24 September 2004 09:57 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: ...and I'm sure you checked the GATEWAY= bit, too, yeah? ...and the /etc/resolv.conf ? -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Hey Stephen. Thanks for the reply. Yep, sure did - all appears to be normal. Its very odd, this. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Sat, 2004-09-25 at 12:17, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Friday 24 September 2004 09:57 pm, Stephen Kühn wrote: ...and I'm sure you checked the GATEWAY= bit, too, yeah? ...and the /etc/resolv.conf ? -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Hey Stephen. Thanks for the reply. Yep, sure did - all appears to be normal. Its very odd, this. Ethernet card is bad. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. When a person goes on a diet, the first thing he loses is his temper. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 21:52, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Okay, all of a sudden my 13 year olds comp refuses to get on the Internet. This is a system loaded with v9.2 (download editon) of Mandrake. I've got cablemodem service, with a DLink router. I've always used static ip addresses and MAC addresses assigned to each comp on the Lan. My 13 year olds is: darkforce2.ky.org 192.168.0.101 When he boots up, he can ping himself, or any other comp on the LAN. When I run ifconfig as root, it shows his ip address above, and it looks just the output from ifconfig on the other comps on the LAN (noting of course, the diff. mac and ip addressess). This was a reliably working setup, for over a year now and I can't for the life of me figure out what changed. He swears that he didn't touch or change anything. I looked at /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and it looks like its supposed to, identical to the other comps on the LAN, noting the diff. in ip addressess again. Okay, after further scouting around we did notice something really odd. The hardware address for his NIC is now different than it was before. Why would this change? I tried going into the config page for my router and changing it to the new hardware address then restarting everything but it made no difference. Any ideas anyone? Any directions or leads? Does he have onboard 10/100 and is it a Broadcomm chip? Seems I remember reading that the mac addresses for onboard stuff could be changed...somewhere. I thought it interesting at the time but right now I can't remember exactly what the context was. Check the route via the route command and make sure he has the right gateway. Don't depend on the config files, use route and see what's there from the command line. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Saturday 25 September 2004 12:12 am, Stephen Kühn wrote: Yep, sure did - all appears to be normal. Its very odd, this. Ethernet card is bad. -- stephen kuhn - proprietor Thought about that possibility - that would explain the hardware (MAC) address changing on its own maybe? Thanks. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Odd Internet problem...
On Saturday 25 September 2004 01:17 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Does he have onboard 10/100 and is it a Broadcomm chip? Seems I remember reading that the mac addresses for onboard stuff could be changed...somewhere. I thought it interesting at the time but right now I can't remember exactly what the context was. Nope, its an actual NIC, a Linksys, which is what I've got in all 3 comps on my LAN - they've been rock solid until now, but they are anywhere from 3 - 5 years old. Yes. There is a command to change how the actual hardware address of the NIC is reflected (this is with the IPX tools installed: ipx_interface add -p eth0 802.2 0x12345678 Quite some time since I used it - it was primarily in conjunction with trying to get an earlier version of Starcraft to work with networking. Thankfully, the later updates to Starcraft allowed networking, and not having to use IPX as the protocol. Check the route via the route command and make sure he has the right gateway. Don't depend on the config files, use route and see what's there from the command line. LX He's in bed asleep now - I'll try it first thing in the morning. Thanks! -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
