Re: [newbie] Modems?
On Mon, 28 May 2001, mp wrote: hy! consider cable or t1, 56k is very slow. regards, mp That would be nice - if we had cable... T1 would be even better, but even if it were available, I don't think I really want to pay over $1,500 per month US for the privilege of reading this esteemed list ;) Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Modems?
On Saturday 26 May 2001 15:29, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? I'm using an Actionrtec 56k internal pci, cost ~$70 at WalMart, of all places. It comes with setup instructions for Linux (no software needed) and works a lot faster than my 'winmodem' , supposedly also 56k. Look on the box to make sure it sez works with Linux. Regards, Irv
[newbie] Slowness
A note for those who, like me, found Mandrake 8.0 and KDE just too slow to be usable. Today I loaded RedHat 7.1 (Seawolf), and things are fast enough. i.e. an xterm comes up in 2 seconds, kwrite in 3., and Konqueror in 7. Compare these to 15 - 45 second times I was experiencing with Mandrake. Also, I notice that I now have about 95% CPU idle, while with Mandrake 8.0, the figure was down around 5%. (With kapm-idled taking up 95%) Using RedHat, kapm-idled is still there, but uses close to 0% all the time. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] kmail configuration or list?
On Thu, 24 May 2001 09:21:48 John Morine wrote: If you choose Reply All it will address it to the original sender and to the list. Which explains why I get two copies of many messages. Please don't do this! The mail server should be re-configured to put the listserver address in the from field - see, for example, the Topica lists. Regards, Irv On Thursday 24 May 2001 08:46, bascule wrote: i have just noticed that when i choose 'reply...' from the right click menu to a message the recipient is not the list but the original sender - every time ! is the list malfunctioning by not inserting the 'reply to' header in the posts back to list subscribers? or do i have my kmail configured wrong,i have looked for some relevant setting but nothing seems to apply, it does seem that the headers in these list posts should have 'Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in them but they do not, of course this explains why none of my recent posts have made it on the list and why some folk have had direct mails, my fault for not reading the recipient headers on my posts! but i would like to know if it's just me or if this is a list problem (it applies to 'expert' too but other lists are fine) bascule
Re: [newbie] Performance issues with Mandrake 8
On Monday 21 May 2001 23:42, you wrote: I have three machines, running 7.2 and kde 2 One is a P2450 with 128mb ram, and it flies with kde2 the other, is a P200mmx with 64 mb of ram,,, this one is a gateway system but I put kde2 on it anyway, and I'd have to say that one isn't even that much slower then the PII450 The third is a PIII800 with 128 and it zips along just fine dunno what all the fuss is about.. regards Frank Well, the problem is that a relatively large percentage of the people who try KDE 2 are unable to get it ro run fast enough to be usable. About 50% of the people who responded to this question on the ALE list reported slowness. Not just newbies; also experienced Linux developers have reported the same problems. The concern expressed by these developers was that they want their software to _continue_ to run at a usable speed even if their customers upgrade to the latest version of KDE. If they can't count on that being true, then they probably won't encourage their clients to use Linux.. The most common reply I've gotten is your configurationi is messed up'. I suppose that might be possible if I had _done_ any configuration, but I only installed the CD's onto a blank, formatted disk, using the defaults. Using the exact same method with Mandrake 7.1, everything works fine. Same is true of SuSE 6.3, 6.4, Slack 4.0, TurboLinux 6, Debian... So if the configuration is screwed, it's nothing I'm doing. Add to that the fact that the developers mentioned earlier certainly have the skills to find and fix a mis-configuration - but have neither found one nor have they been able to fix it. I don't have those skills, so all I have been abto to do is to confirm that there aren't a lot of extra processes running - no httpd, no ftpd, etc. Yet, with none of these services running, the computer is much slower than it is with M7.1 running with every possible service activated. Puzzling. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Performance issues with Mandrake 8
On Tue, 22 May 2001, you wrote: Please let us know as soon as you have the disk optimizer available for testing, I'll be happy to test it for you. I am using and IBM 7200 RPM ATA 100 hard drive and I'm not getting the performance I should from it yet. TC I wonder if the new kernel is slowing down disk operations? Or something else? How can we benchmark our disk performance with Mandrake 7.1 and again with 8.0 to see if there is a difference? Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Performance issues with Mandrake 8
On Tuesday 22 May 2001 13:23, you wrote: hdparm -Tt /dev/hda or whatever Thanks - I ran that on the 8 gig disk I use for Mandrake, first with 8.0, then 7.1. Mandrake 8.0 scored higher than 7.1 - so, it looks like disk i/o is not the cause of the dramatic slowdown (going from 7.1 to 8.0), I'm sure we will all appreciate any efforts to speed up the disk access nevertheless. Regards, Irv --- Irv Mullins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can we benchmark our disk performance with Mandrake 7.1 and again with 8.0 to see if there is a difference?
Re: [newbie] What is kapm-idle?
On Monday 21 May 2001 17:28, you wrote: Hi! I just found out about the next resource hungry process: kapm-idle! This little evil thing always gets PID 3 and can not be killed. And I haven't found any daemon which starts it, so can anyone please tell me what the heck it does? And much more important: How the hell do I switch it off forver? Not only what does it do, but why is a zero-byte program using over 95% of my cpu cycles, according to top? Thanks, Irv
Re: [newbie] Computer Freezes under Linux 7.2 WindowsME
- Original Message - From: PENA FAMILY [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 3:41 AM Subject: [newbie] Computer Freezes under Linux 7.2 WindowsME I just recently added an additional 512MB (2x256MB DIMM PC133) for my video editing needs. Both Linux and WindowsME recognized it and life was good and my video editing dreams were coming true. BAMM! Then Linux starts freezing up and so does WindowsME. Couldn't figure it out then I checked BIOS and realized that it was set to PC100 by default. I checked on my motherboard for jumpers but this motherboard does these changes through BIOS. So I changed it and then for a week everytime I playback one of my videos the system freezes even in LINUX! I went back to the store where I got the RAM and they told me it was probably a compatiability issue. I exchanged them for premiums and still get the crashes but this only happens when playing back any .mpeg or .avi file. Under WindowsME I am used to this but until recently LINUX never gave me that trouble nor have I seen it freeze before. Any help would be appreciated since I have looked everywhere else. Thank you You can download this program: http://reality.sgi.com/cbrady_denver/memtest86/ It is a stand-alone test program -doesn't need Windows OR Linux to run. Start it up and let it run overnight. If there are problems with the memory chips, it should find them. Regards, Irv
Re: RE[newbie] java. why doesn't it go? (still no joy)
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Mike wrote: thanks to everyone who has helped me with this. i've now managed to extract the tar file but the instructions say to add the location of the sdk to the PATH settings. Where do i find path to modify it? i'm slowly but surely getting the hang of this. Looking forward to getting this up and running now. Edit the file .bashrc(note the leading dot) Add two lines like the following: PATH=/home/irv/euphoria/bin:$PATH export PATH Replace /home/irv/euphoria/bin: with the full path to your sdk probably /home/mike/something/something. Once you logout and back in, the new path will be in effect. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Installing apps under linux
On Sat, 19 May 2001, Ujang wrote: I've downloaded few applications with extension tar.gz but dont really know how to install it. I understand that there's command to install it. Could someone guide me how to install the applications under linux? My PC running Linux Mandrake 7.1. If you are using KDE, just right-click on the downloaded file, and select 'Archiver'. That will open a window showing a list of files which are included in the package, and a click on the little 'magnifying glass' , (or menu selection File-Extract To) will extract the files to a location of your choice. Once complete, navigate to that location using KFM. What you need to do from there depends upon how the package was prepared. There should be a readme file explaining what to do. Many packages need to be compiled, which is pretty simple. Others can be run without compliing. The instructions should be included, or available on the website from which you downloaded the package. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] very slowly
On Fri, 18 May 2001, dfox wrote: I wrote: If I open all programs I am going to use, then switching between them seems reasonably fast. However, if one of them needs to open a new window, Does this happen independently of how many windows are already open, or what window manager is being used? For instance, if you open up an xterm (should be pretty instantaneous) on a lightly-loaded system, does it take the same (slow) time as under other situations? With nothing open, an xterm takes several seconds to appear. Using Mandrake 7.1, the same xterm comes up in about half a second. I'm thinking that it might have to do with your X server - since opening a window does take at least some effort from the server, maybe it's eating up a lot of memory and part of it is in swap. That could explain the slow- down. Thanks, I will file this with the other suggestions - some day when I have nothing better to do, I'll re-load Mandrake 8.0 and go thru all the suggested solutions. If I find one that works, I'll be sure to post it here. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Detecting USR Modem
On Sat, 19 May 2001, you wrote: Hi, I am trying to setup a new USR 56k modem on my system (LM 7.2) Which USR 56k modem? If it's the Performance Pro modem (about $80) then it should work. If it's the Internal FaxModem, (about $40) then it clearly states 'Designed exclusively for the Windows operating system' - so no, it won't. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Detecting USR Modem
On Sat, 19 May 2001, you wrote: No it is not a winmodem according to USR it is model 5687-03 which is controller based. Then look here for instructions: http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/5687-03.html Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] very slowly
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Dave wrote: Well, it's still strange -- my ThinkPad is a 300MHz Celeron with 64 MB RAM, and it runs both KDE 2 and Gnome just fine. Your system should be able to do as well, from a hardware standpoint. Is it possible that even though the correct X driver is installed, the video settings (refresh rate, etc.) are still not quite correct? Just a thought. Dave Well, that rules out memory as the problem; I'm using a Celeron 300 with 128 megs. Further investigation shows that many programs that use X (some Euphoria graphics programs, for example) run at about the same speed as they did on 7.2. If I open all programs I am going to use, then switching between them seems reasonably fast. However, if one of them needs to open a new window, to set preferences, select a file, or pop up a warning message, for example, it takes so long I've often forgotten what I was doing. And if for some reason I should want to open another program, I have time to walk to the kitchen for a snack before it shows up. I don't need the extra weight! Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] fstab and /mnt/windows
On Fri, 18 May 2001, you wrote: What would be the proper entry in /etc/fstab to automatically mount my windoze partition from hde? I would like to at least have read access to be able to access files. Is this correct? /dev/hde1/mnt/windows ext2defaults 1 2 I think you'll find vfat works better than ext2 for windows partitions ;) And be sure you have created the directory /mnt/windows before you add this line to fstab. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Installation Error
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Dwight Follick wrote: Hi I've recently been trying to load Mandrake 8.0 on my machine (I'm fricken sick of Windoze) and when I'm in the installation trying to configure the XFree86 4.03 part, it tests out my card and it freezes when it switches screen modes or something - the screen goes black. My card is a SiS 630 and I believe that XFree86 4.03 is having some problems with those cards. Is there no way around this? I have the Mandrake distribution on 2 ReWritable CDs - I downloaded the ISOs on a 56k modem (and yes it took a fricken long time) I have the SiS 630 also, and Mandrake recognized and installed with no problem. Maybe your download went bad? Anyway, you could try to skip the x configuration, and set your XF86config file the 'old fashioned' way. Regards, Irv I
Re: [newbie] very slowly
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Ari Dias wrote: Hello people, I have a question! Why my linux mandraki 8.0 is so slowly that i cant use it! i have a k6 500mhz!!! tks I had the same problem, KDE was so slow that I couldn't get any work done. When I posted this to the KDE list, all I got was flames, but about half of the people on the ALE list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) who tried KDE 2 reported similar problems. Some people with 750 mhz machines even reported slowness, so it seems to be not directly related to hardware. My only choice was to go back to 7.2. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] very slowly
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Dave wrote: I ran into a similar problem with Mandrake 7.2. The problem/solution turned out to be that Mandrake had detected and chosen a generic X video driver for my video card, but that generic driver worked very poorly with my card. Once I changed to the proper video driver (using HardDrake), the whole system sped up considerably. Yes, I also had this suggestion from someone on the ale list - unfortunately, Mandrake 8.0 had already detected the correct video card and driver for mine. Also, using WindowMaker or IceWm, things seemed to run fast enough, which (maybe) rules out a hardware problem. At any rate, I'm happy with KDE 1.x for now. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Help on getting 2cd set of LM 8.0
On Thu, 10 May 2001, RK wrote: I got my Mandrake 8 set last week from Cheapbytes - they're pleasant to deal with, and quick.. They send an acknowledgement of your order, and, as promised, another e-mail when the cd's go out the door. I had mine in 2 days, using USmail! Regards, Irv That's a good price, even with the $5.00 shipping charge in the USA. Randy Kramer Darin Lang wrote: http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart $3.49 Darin
Re: [newbie] Microsoft for Linux
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Dave wrote: Yes, this is a hoax. Been around for a while, actually. Dave I fully expect Microsoft to come out with a version of Linux sooner or later. It will be 'user friendly' - but just enough different so that only Microsoft programs will run well on it. Having Microsoft 'embrace and extend' your standards is like letting the dirty old man down the street 'embrace' your teenage daughter - the likely outcome is much the same. Regards, Irv At 01:59 PM 05/11/2001 +0200, Mcintosh, Duncan wrote: Hi there all I think this must be the hoax of the year. Microsoft has come out with its own Linux version. I have to see this to believe it though. Check out there site http://www.mslinux.org/
Re: [newbie] kfm's ftp is definitely broken
On Tue, 13 Jul 1999, you wrote: Hello all, There is something wrong with kfm's ftp function. It used to be (in mandrake 5.3) that I can do: ftp://myusername@myserver/ And I'd be able to ftp to and fro with impunity - as long as I stuck to my user's access rights. However, in mandrake 6.0, this is broken. I can point kfm to the desired remote dir, and I can ftp _from_ that dir but I cannot ftp _to_ the dir. (yes, I have read/write rights) I've also asked about this, with no response. The strange thing is, that with SuSE and KDE, this function works perfectly. I don't know why Mandrake broke it. IglooFTP is a great program, but not as convenient to use as KFM would be if it worked. Irv I'm writing about this again because the first time I wrote in about it, I only got another user's reply - he recommended re-installing. I did. Same problem. I even updated to the latest kdebase rpm on /updates (so I'm now at kdebase-1.1.1final-11mdk). Folks at mandrakesoft, could you please fix this. It does not seem like a difficult problem (since ftp from remote dir works just not to - with kfm, that is) but it's a showstopper for me since I use this kfm feature a lot in my work (and play). Or at least, I used to while on Festen :-( _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [newbie] KDE Mail Client
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, you wrote: I'm using the KDE Mail Client. Is there anyway to make it check the pop server every so many minutes? File/Settings/Network tab/Incoming mail click on an account, click the modify button, and click the box marked Enable Interval mail checking. Now, as to how to change the time between checks - that's probably in a .kmailrc file somewhere. Irv _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [newbie] Get out of AfterStep, back to KDE
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: u should be able to open a terminal window and type "deskswitch" then just select the desktop you want : ) Thanks 4 trying to help, but it doesn't recognize deskswitch as a command. Not even as root. Any other suggestions? Try switchdesk. When in doubt - locate will find files using wildcards. Irv _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [newbie] Get out of AfterStep, back to KDE
On Sun, 11 Jul 1999, you wrote: What version are you running? I am intrigued enough to want to duplicate your situation You'll probably have to type switchdesk-kde to get back to kde. (Mine tries to default to switchdesk-gnome, which results in a file-not-found error. Irv _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [newbie] shell scripts
On Mon, 08 May 2000, you wrote: On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Yants wrote: how do i write shell scripts..? can someone please show me an example... Here's an example from Richard Petersen's handy Linux Programmer's Reference: (Good book to have around) #!/bin/bash #Program to allow the user to select different #ways of listing files echo s. List Sizes echo l. List All file info echo c. List C files echo -n "Please enter choice: " read choice case $choice in s) ls -s ;; l) ls -l ;; c) ls *.c ;; *) echo Invalid Option esac copy it, save it as, for example, lschoice, and chmod u+x so that you can execute it by typing ./lschoice HTH Irv Mullins
Re: [newbie] KPPP problems
On Wed, 07 Jul 1999, you wrote: Hello , When I open kppp , I get this error message - /etc/resolv.config is missing ! Ask your system administrator to create a non-empty file that has appropriate read and write permissions . What must I do ? Write one. As root, go to /etc, and with pico or some other editor designed by actual humans, create a file named resolv.conf which contains at least two lines. Here's mine: domain ellijay.com nameserver 206.30.220.2 Write the file, logout, log in as user, and set up kppp. Irv _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [newbie] Lack of security when booting in Linux single
On Tue, 06 Jul 1999, you wrote: Actually, DSL is just as vunerable as any other form of TCP/IP transport. On the windows platform (believe it or not) there are security measures in place, and some you can tighten your self like unbinding fileshareing from the inet interface. Your just as vunerable on a dialup connection too might i add ;) True, but it would be harder for someone to break into my computer when the modem is turned off. (which is more than half the time) Security boils down to one general rule if you don't use it it doesn't need to be there, and if you do think you need it you should reconsider. If something absolutly needs tobe accepting connections it should be properly firewalled. Also some software to monitor what's going on across the net, and alert someone when suspicious traffic appears would be appropriate. Irv
[newbie] KFM and FTP
Hi; When using KDE/KFM with SuSE, I could drag and drop files from my desktop to various www directories (to which I have passwords). Using KDE/KFM and Mandrake, when I do this, it writes a zero length file to the directory. The names get there, but no data is transferred. If I bring up a terminal, the old fashioned ftp works fine to the same sites. Is there some setting with Mandrake that I need to change? Thanks, Irv _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ The opinions expressed are not my own. _/ They're Lou's. _/ We're blaming him for everything. _/ He's the one on vacation this week.
[newbie] KDESU
Does anyone know why, when you try to use terminal (super user, kdesu) you get a password dialog, in which every key pressed is echoed three times? Example: if root password were pig, you would type pig, and see echoed: * (9 starz) and an invalid password message. Of course it's invalid, there are three times as many characters as you typed in. This makes kdesu unusable. Any ideas? Irv _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ The opinions expressed are not my own. _/ They're Lou's. _/ We're blaming him for everything. _/ He's the one on vacation this week.
Re: [newbie] KDESU
On Tue, 06 Jul 1999, you wrote: It is intentional, confuses people who like to stare over shoulders Well, it would be nice if, in addition to confusing snoops, it would actually allow super-user access. It doesn't. That, of course, is the problem. Irv On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Irv Mullins wrote: Does anyone know why, when you try to use terminal (super user, kdesu) you get a password dialog, in which every key pressed is echoed three times?
Re: [newbie] Slower Modem Speed in Linux
On Mon, 05 Jul 1999, you wrote: %_Hi. Just recently installed mandrake 6.0 (workstation) got the kkkp working after resetting the pnp modem's jumper. The modem is on COM2 and using IRQ 3. The problem I have is Netscape is about 3-4 slower that it was in windows. Even file downloading. But the strange thing is that i was connected at the same rate in both windows and linux. Does anyone know what's wrong? Is there a setting I have to change? How do i increase the connection speed. Thank you. Try to pinpoint the problem: is your modem actually running slower? (click the details button on kppp to see the statistics, while loading a large web page or downloading a file. The graph should show the actual transfer speed) If the modem is transferring at full speed, then try viewing websites with KFM. See if it is faster. (I like KFM better than Netscape anyway, it's much better integrated into the desktop) If it's only Netscape that's slow, maybe you're running short of memory. If everything is slow, maybe there's a conflict with the com port or irq settings. Irv
Re: [newbie] Lack of security when booting in Linux single
On Mon, 05 Jul 1999, you wrote: It is secure, If you keep it that way and do not mess with things you do not know about. Don't change things if you do not know what it can do to your system.. That's not really an answer to the question, nor is it accurate. The question was - why can someone boot a system without the password? Security is relative. If someone has physical access to your computer, and there is a floppy drive, anyone with a couple of linux boot/root disks can start the system without knowing any passwords. Similarly, you can lock your cars and take the keys, but I can come along with a tow truck and steal the car anyway. Given that, why use passwords? The password system serves to prevent accidental changes that would mess up the software, and to discourage users from looking at other users' data. It's just a good balance between a system that's totally open (like DOS) and a system so secure it's unusable. You can change the balance in either direction, but you can't eliminate the possibility someone will gain access. Should you change it in the direction of "more secure"? Probably not. Anyone who knows the "linux single" trick almost certainly knows the "bring your own floppy" trick also. If your need for privacy justifies, you could remove the floppy drive (probably kinda inconvenient) and/or run an encrypted file system that makes data almost impossible to retrieve, (and slows down operations considerably.) It might be easier to just lock the disk drive in the safe when you're not using it. Anyone who has physical access to your computer must be assumed to be "authorized" to be there, and therefore trustworthy. If that is not the case, then posting armed guards and vicious dogs would be appropriate.. Regards, Irv - Original Message - From: Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 07:15 James Subject: [newbie] Lack of security when booting in Linux single Hi, Recently my system failed to boot (I had added something to rc.local, that didn't belong there). On irc I was told that I could still boot if I gave linux single at the LILO boot. This worked, but to my surprise I never had to enter a login or a password. Even then, I was allowed to change rc.local back to what it was. Is this normal? I thought Linux was supposed to be so secure. Jo
Re: [newbie] Temp monitor?
On Sun, 04 Jul 1999, you wrote: Does anyone know if there is a temp/cpu monitor that sits in the panel? I just did a motherboard swap and since it shows the temp in bios I thought it would be a nice addition to my desktop. There are several: look for them at http://www.freshmeat.net, http://www.linuxberg.com. Or, do like we do here in the south, set a cold Pabst Blue Ribbon on th' cpu. Huh? You mean to tell me you've got a _case_ on yer computer? My ain't we fancy? Irv
Re: [newbie] kfm's ftp disabled in MDK6?
On Thu, 01 Jul 1999, you wrote: Hello folks, I've just moved to Venus. Everything looks fine. Everything works. Or so it seemed. I think there's something wrong with kfm's ftp function. It seems broken. I can download from ftp sites ok. But I cannot upload. (yes, I have upload rights to the destination) This used to be my "show off" piece to people. "See? I can upload this bunch of files from my home dir to my remote website with simple drag and drop!" Using kfm. Now I cannot. It just seems to hang for an eternity. It did not take anywhere near that long before. What's happened? I tried ftp-ing (upload) via plain ol' CLI ftp (put) and it works - very well. But, what's happened to kfm? Anyone have this problem? What do I do? Yes, I had the same problem, but got no replies to my question. The only answer I can give sounds awful Windowish, but it worked for me: reload the system. I have no clue why it stopped working in the first place, but reloading seemed to get it working properly. Irv
Re: [newbie] kfm's ftp disabled in MDK6?
On Thu, 01 Jul 1999, you wrote: Hello folks, I've just moved to Venus. Everything looks fine. Everything works. Or so it seemed. I think there's something wrong with kfm's ftp function. It seems broken. I can download from ftp sites ok. But I cannot upload. (yes, I have upload rights to the destination) This used to be my "show off" piece to people. "See? I can upload this bunch of files from my home dir to my remote website with simple drag and drop!" Using kfm. Now I cannot. It just seems to hang for an eternity. It did not take anywhere near that long before. What's happened? I have updated to the kdenetwork and kdebase packages on the /updates site. I tried ftp-ing (upload) via plain ol' CLI ftp (put) and it works - very well. But, what's happened to kfm? Anyone have this problem? What do I do? Yes, I had exactly the same problem, and asked on this list last week (no answers) I finally reloaded everything, and the dragdrop ftp works again. Sorry I can't offer a more helpful answer than "reload". It sounds like the standard Windows mantra. But, it did work. Irv