Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
Yes you can FLASHUPDATE your FlashROM, but; only for the original manufacturer. It may be possible to go and purchase a new BIOS chip and install it yourself but would not recommend doing same. There are thingys that could destroy your system or just the new CMOS (BIOS) chip, ESD (Electro Static Discharge) for one and another is if not installed correctly other problems will hamper your use of the new BIOS. Just to give my credentials on this matter, I have about 45 years experience as a Journeyman Electronic Repair with O'scope, meters, generators, etcetera, usage as well as repairing the same. don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:42:53 +0100 "William Palfreman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Kathleen Russell, fone.net tech support" wrote: Disclaimer: i was pretty much joking about the BIOS thing. I actually really like my BIOS (ambios). A friend of mine has a really cruddy BIOS, but the computer is a machine is a Hewlett Packard, so it is a cruddy system in general. I suppose a person would have to buy a whole new motherboard to get a different kind of BIOS. Can a person upgrade using the same motherboard, but maybe a different version or something? Thanks, Kathleen No, in general, you need the bios that was written for board you're using. It's specific to the parts that are soldered onto your motherboard. Mike Only in the olden days. Now people flash their BIOS if they want to upgrade it, as it is stored on flashrom. YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
There is an OpenBIOS project and some Beowulf clusters use linux as their BIOS (the kernel is about 500K and some BIOS chips have 2Mb). A great deal of progress is being reported in this unlikely spot www.linux-hacker.net/iopener It seems Netpliance came unglued when they learned their precious appliance was being made into a linux box and they have been altering their BIOS The messages are quite interesting, and the hackers exploiting the $99 computer from Netpliance are carrying the state of the art forward at quite a respectable pace--staying a jump ahead of Netpliance, anyway. It is a hacking sort of thing, yet, and there are no guarantees that their procedures will not smoke your system, create a black hole or polymorph you into an octopus. Civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes you can FLASHUPDATE your FlashROM, but; only for the original manufacturer. It may be possible to go and purchase a new BIOS chip and install it yourself but would not recommend doing same. There are thingys that could destroy your system or just the new CMOS (BIOS) chip, ESD (Electro Static Discharge) for one and another is if not installed correctly other problems will hamper your use of the new BIOS. Just to give my credentials on this matter, I have about 45 years experience as a Journeyman Electronic Repair with O'scope, meters, generators, etcetera, usage as well as repairing the same. don I thought I knew that I knew what I thought But now I know that what I thought I knew Isn't what I know I think I thought I knew. On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:42:53 +0100 "William Palfreman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Kathleen Russell, fone.net tech support" wrote: Disclaimer: i was pretty much joking about the BIOS thing. I actually really like my BIOS (ambios). A friend of mine has a really cruddy BIOS, but the computer is a machine is a Hewlett Packard, so it is a cruddy system in general. I suppose a person would have to buy a whole new motherboard to get a different kind of BIOS. Can a person upgrade using the same motherboard, but maybe a different version or something? Thanks, Kathleen No, in general, you need the bios that was written for board you're using. It's specific to the parts that are soldered onto your motherboard. Mike Only in the olden days. Now people flash their BIOS if they want to upgrade it, as it is stored on flashrom. YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- BETA-testing Netscape 6 and its mailer
Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
John wrote: The BIOS is on the mother board itself and is coded on to the BIOS chip. Without it Intel systems don't run since it loads the initial boot up program from the MBR. Win/DOS also has a software "BIOS" as well, one of a pair of hidden system files that DOS (and OS/2, Win9* and NT 3*) requires. The NT versions used to be the MS OS/2 versions. I don't know whether that has changed or not. Disclaimer: i was pretty much joking about the BIOS thing. I actually really like my BIOS (ambios). A friend of mine has a really cruddy BIOS, but the computer is a machine is a Hewlett Packard, so it is a cruddy system in general. I suppose a person would have to buy a whole new motherboard to get a different kind of BIOS. Can a person upgrade using the same motherboard, but maybe a different version or something? Thanks, Kathleen
Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
"Kathleen Russell, fone.net tech support" wrote: Disclaimer: i was pretty much joking about the BIOS thing. I actually really like my BIOS (ambios). A friend of mine has a really cruddy BIOS, but the computer is a machine is a Hewlett Packard, so it is a cruddy system in general. I suppose a person would have to buy a whole new motherboard to get a different kind of BIOS. Can a person upgrade using the same motherboard, but maybe a different version or something? Thanks, Kathleen No, in general, you need the bios that was written for board you're using. It's specific to the parts that are soldered onto your motherboard. Mike -- The Penguins are coming!!! Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
you can definately upgrade a bios. one that i have seen raves about is mrbios (www.mrbios.com). their bios' are supposed to be awesome, i want to upgrade my AMIBIOS CPOR bios, but, I havent saved the money yet... From: "Kathleen Russell, fone.net tech support" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:19:26 -0600 John wrote: The BIOS is on the mother board itself and is coded on to the BIOS chip. Without it Intel systems don't run since it loads the initial boot up program from the MBR. Win/DOS also has a software "BIOS" as well, one of a pair of hidden system files that DOS (and OS/2, Win9* and NT 3*) requires. The NT versions used to be the MS OS/2 versions. I don't know whether that has changed or not. Disclaimer: i was pretty much joking about the BIOS thing. I actually really like my BIOS (ambios). A friend of mine has a really cruddy BIOS, but the computer is a machine is a Hewlett Packard, so it is a cruddy system in general. I suppose a person would have to buy a whole new motherboard to get a different kind of BIOS. Can a person upgrade using the same motherboard, but maybe a different version or something? Thanks, Kathleen Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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OK...lets get this straight...to flash the BIOS, you go to your motherboards home page...look up the exact MODEL # you have, with the SAME BIOS mfg. ( in some years due to supply problems, different BIOS mfg's were put on the same model of mobo ) then get your BIOS from them...as far as I know alot of the older BIOS' were _NOT_ flashable. Flashable BIOS has only been in the last 4 - 7 years as a standard. But most/all of them in the last few years have been upgradable. Most of the BIOS' for different mfg's of mobo's are specific to thier chipsets, eg: ABIT PX5 with AWARD BIOS, has a different chipset/buses/etc than an ASUS P5A with an AWARD BIOS So my advice is to get MAKE/MODEL/BIOS MFG. of _YOUR_ mobo, and go get the correct flash file. Also read the directions and understand them.:) HTH Jaguar Rial Juan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uhh, dude... Upgrading a BIOS is free; all you gotta do is download the flash-utillity and the new image from the manufacturer's site. Be warned though, you can not switch from one brand of BIOS to another, AFAIK; you'll have to stay with the same brand, but you'll get a higher version. See my other post on this for more details, or if you already deleted it: too bad, so did I ;-) You can check out http://www.drivershq.com/List/bioslink1.html though. On Apr 21 David Thiessen wrote: you can definately upgrade a bios. one that i have seen raves about is mrbios (www.mrbios.com). their bios' are supposed to be awesome, i want to upgrade my AMIBIOS CPOR bios, but, I havent saved the money yet... -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly. That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee... Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html Help bring us more Linux Drivers The Dogma chased the Stigma, and was hit by the Karma. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
Uh dude... I am not an idiot... I know upgrading the BIOS is free. I can see that I did not make that clear in my post. But lets face it, there are some manufacturors that have downright lousy BIOS'. MRBIOS fills the ticket for those people that want a more robust BIOS. Also nice when you have a MB from a manufacturor thats no longer around and you cant find any updates. On Fri, 21 Apr 2000, you wrote: Uhh, dude... Upgrading a BIOS is free; all you gotta do is download the flash-utillity and the new image from the manufacturer's site. Be warned though, you can not switch from one brand of BIOS to another, AFAIK; you'll have to stay with the same brand, but you'll get a higher version. See my other post on this for more details, or if you already deleted it: too bad, so did I ;-) You can check out http://www.drivershq.com/List/bioslink1.html though. On Apr 21 David Thiessen wrote: you can definately upgrade a bios. one that i have seen raves about is mrbios (www.mrbios.com). their bios' are supposed to be awesome, i want to upgrade my AMIBIOS CPOR bios, but, I havent saved the money yet... -- Rial Juanhttp://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumtel:(++32) 89/856533 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org The little critters in nature; they don't know they're ugly. That's very funny... A fly marying a bumble-bee... Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html Help bring us more Linux Drivers -- -- David G. Thiessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: ThiessenDG King George, VAICQ: 55163586 http://webpages.kg.hsanet.net/thiessendg
Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS
I would be cautious in doing this. Most Motherboard manufacturers will warn you that flashing your bios with an upgrade from there own site can be a risk (i.e. buy an asus board, go to the asus web site two months later and download the newer bios version). Like they say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". The reason for this is basically that a fix or a tweak in one are can cause something else to not work correctly. I have flashed my bios because with the last computer that I built, I chose a motherboard that had a shutdown problem with Linux; the maker of the board corrected the issue with a bios update. If you have an older computer (like an old pentium 100) however, you may have nothing to lose and possibly some performance to gain. I would say if you have anything new, like an Athlon or a P3, you don't stand to gain enough (unless you just like tweaking stuff). Mike David Thiessen wrote: you can definately upgrade a bios. one that i have seen raves about is mrbios (www.mrbios.com). their bios' are supposed to be awesome, i want to upgrade my AMIBIOS CPOR bios, but, I havent saved the money yet... From: "Kathleen Russell, fone.net tech support" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT--BIOS Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:19:26 -0600 John wrote: The BIOS is on the mother board itself and is coded on to the BIOS chip. Without it Intel systems don't run since it loads the initial boot up program from the MBR. Win/DOS also has a software "BIOS" as well, one of a pair of hidden system files that DOS (and OS/2, Win9* and NT 3*) requires. The NT versions used to be the MS OS/2 versions. I don't know whether that has changed or not. Disclaimer: i was pretty much joking about the BIOS thing. I actually really like my BIOS (ambios). A friend of mine has a really cruddy BIOS, but the computer is a machine is a Hewlett Packard, so it is a cruddy system in general. I suppose a person would have to buy a whole new motherboard to get a different kind of BIOS. Can a person upgrade using the same motherboard, but maybe a different version or something? Thanks, Kathleen Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- The Penguins are coming!!! Michael Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
