Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
Guy Rouillier wrote: (Not quoting anyone so I can pull the discussion back where I need it...) Ok, so I *should* be okay with ReiserFS on my root partition and ext2 on /boot. So how do I go about figuring out why KDE takes forever to start up X (and never puts up the desktop icons) and gnome can't seem to shut it down (logout five times, eventually (60+ seconds later) I get the logout dialog)? I've looked in ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X.log.0 (whatever the name is - not on that machine at the moment) and I don't see anything obvious.) I have no trouble running X apps once I'm in. Well, I seem to have found a way to make it happy. Under KDE, for some reason, it installed itself with desktop icons unchecked. I checked this, it immediately showed two icons. Now when I startx into KDE, it no longer shows the clock icon for a couple minutes. To fix gnome, I (1) disabled acpi and (2) turned off auto detection of my Ethernet connection. Don't know which one did the trick, but now when I select the logout menu item, I immediately get the log out dialog. Who knows. One last question. When my keyboard is idle, I hear disk activity about every 10 seconds. Is this normal with ReiserFS? I don't remember hearing this with ext2. -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 16:34, Guy Rouillier wrote: Guy Rouillier wrote: (Not quoting anyone so I can pull the discussion back where I need it...) Ok, so I *should* be okay with ReiserFS on my root partition and ext2 on /boot. So how do I go about figuring out why KDE takes forever to start up X (and never puts up the desktop icons) and gnome can't seem to shut it down (logout five times, eventually (60+ seconds later) I get the logout dialog)? I've looked in ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X.log.0 (whatever the name is - not on that machine at the moment) and I don't see anything obvious.) I have no trouble running X apps once I'm in. Well, I seem to have found a way to make it happy. Under KDE, for some reason, it installed itself with desktop icons unchecked. I checked this, it immediately showed two icons. Now when I startx into KDE, it no longer shows the clock icon for a couple minutes. To fix gnome, I (1) disabled acpi and (2) turned off auto detection of my Ethernet connection. Don't know which one did the trick, but now when I select the logout menu item, I immediately get the log out dialog. Who knows. One last question. When my keyboard is idle, I hear disk activity about every 10 seconds. Is this normal with ReiserFS? I don't remember hearing this with ext2. Are you logging in as root - because KDE and Gnome will default to NO icons - very bare - the idea being that no one should be operating the system as root anyways... ...just wondering... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- The test of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts. -- Aldo Leopold Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 16:34, Guy Rouillier wrote: Guy Rouillier wrote: (Not quoting anyone so I can pull the discussion back where I need it...) Ok, so I *should* be okay with ReiserFS on my root partition and ext2 on /boot. So how do I go about figuring out why KDE takes forever to start up X (and never puts up the desktop icons) and gnome can't seem to shut it down (logout five times, eventually (60+ seconds later) I get the logout dialog)? I've looked in ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X.log.0 (whatever the name is - not on that machine at the moment) and I don't see anything obvious.) I have no trouble running X apps once I'm in. Well, I seem to have found a way to make it happy. Under KDE, for some reason, it installed itself with desktop icons unchecked. I checked this, it immediately showed two icons. Now when I startx into KDE, it no longer shows the clock icon for a couple minutes. To fix gnome, I (1) disabled acpi and (2) turned off auto detection of my Ethernet connection. Don't know which one did the trick, but now when I select the logout menu item, I immediately get the log out dialog. Who knows. One last question. When my keyboard is idle, I hear disk activity about every 10 seconds. Is this normal with ReiserFS? I don't remember hearing this with ext2. Are you logging in as root - because KDE and Gnome will default to NO icons - very bare - the idea being that no one should be operating the system as root anyways... ...just wondering... Yes I was (for setup purposes.) Gnome actually was showing icons, KDE wasn't. If KDE elects not to show icons, it shouldn't then get hung up if they aren't there. Oh, well, everything seems to be fine now (and no, I do not log in as root to do normal work.) -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
the reason is mainly for system recovery IIRC. reiser fs support was marked as experimental in kernels, and some kernels may not be compiled with reiser fs. by comparison, it's hard to imagine anyone not compiling support for ext2 into any general purpose kernel, esp those used for the floppy disk system recovery distributions and such. also, IIRC, all(most?) ext3 partitions are simply read as ext2 if the kernel doesn't support ext3. so using as ext3 is quite safe as well, in term of kernel support. hope this helps. - Original Message - From: Tony S. Sykes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 00:43 Subject: RE: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? I am curious if it is for performance or stability? I remember Civileme from the list and he obviously has a lot of insight into the file system. So please Anne for future reference if you could find it for me. Many Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 4:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 09:23 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. I'd go one further. Based on what Civileme said, my /boot is ext2. I think I may have the original post, if it helps, but it would take a bit of digging. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Tuesday September 2 2003 11:41 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: I didn't think it relevant but I do indeed have a separate partition for /boot that is 100 MB, formatted ext2. I have a single swap partition that is 500 MB. That should be okay, right? 100 MB for boot's a bit much, but it's fine. See Charles' post that /boot can be ReiserFS, ext2,3 /boot is still needed for XFS. Charles' advice is always to be trusted too. I use 500mb /swap with 500mb ram, but actually only at least a 250mb /swap is needed. Even when video encoding or recoding 700 to 800 mb movies, I don't get into /swap hardly at all if ever. [tom /tom] $ free -m total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 502458 43 0 83125 -/+ buffers/cache: 250252 Swap:509 0509 -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003 10:33:46 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: an you're still here ;) Yea, keep spending more and more time with cooker and what 'little' of I of development so am not able the devote the amount of attention to newbie as I did in the past. Still read most of the post but usually let others handle them. Charles -- Fortune's real live weird band names #700: The Very Idea of Fucking Hitler - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-3.tmb.2mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 4:27 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 11:16 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. I'd go one further. Based on what Civileme said, my /boot is ext2. I think I may have the original post, if it helps, but it would take a bit of digging. ext3 is ext2, just with a journal tacked on. I presume that /boot is a pretty static partition, so doesn't need the journal, though can't see that it would harm it either. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
September 2, 2003 12:27 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 5:43 pm, Tony S. Sykes wrote: I am curious if it is for performance or stability? I remember Civileme from the list and he obviously has a lot of insight into the file system. So please Anne for future reference if you could find it for me. Tony, I am ashamed to say that my filing system has let me down. I can't find it at the moment. I'll post it when it turns up. Sorry Anne This may be a good place to start Anne: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems?skin=print Plus it's a Wiki! g Regards; C. -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-4mdk 11:06:42 up 10:44, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.05 It might help if we ran the MBA's out of Washington. -- Admiral Grace Hopper Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Wednesday 03 Sep 2003 6:08 pm, Charlie M. wrote: Tony, I am ashamed to say that my filing system has let me down. I can't find it at the moment. I'll post it when it turns up. Sorry Anne This may be a good place to start Anne: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems?skin=print Thanks, Charlie Plus it's a Wiki! g Touche' Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
(Not quoting anyone so I can pull the discussion back where I need it...) Ok, so I *should* be okay with ReiserFS on my root partition and ext2 on /boot. So how do I go about figuring out why KDE takes forever to start up X (and never puts up the desktop icons) and gnome can't seem to shut it down (logout five times, eventually (60+ seconds later) I get the logout dialog)? I've looked in ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/X.log.0 (whatever the name is - not on that machine at the moment) and I don't see anything obvious.) I have no trouble running X apps once I'm in. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
System Commander trashed my hard disk when I attempted to resize my Win2K NTFS partition, so I'm forced to reinstall everything, including Linux on that same drive. This time around, I decided to try out ReiserFS as my root file system. During setup, I configured boot options, but after doing so, the installation program never returned. I rebooted and used drakxconf to install my X server. When I start up X in KDE, it starts up very slowly, and actually never puts up the desktop icons. The cursor remains a clock for several *minutes*, but the system is not locked. I can log off of KDE (back to the boot up terminal session) without a problem. If I start up gnome, it starts up okay, including all the desktop icons. But when I try to log off, it won't. I try to log off about 5 times in a row. Eventually, something will get it to put up the log off dialog. Could this be ReiserFS doing this? Should I switch back to ext2? I played around with XFS in a different installation on this same hardware, and it didn't appear to have any issues (other than the fact that it defaults to read-only.) Thanks for all advice. -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Monday September 1 2003 09:19 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote: System Commander trashed my hard disk when I attempted to resize my Win2K NTFS partition, so I'm forced to reinstall everything, including Linux on that same drive. This time around, I decided to try out ReiserFS as my root file system. During setup, I configured boot options, but after doing so, the installation program never returned. I rebooted and used drakxconf to install my X server. When I start up X in KDE, it starts up very slowly, and actually never puts up the desktop icons. The cursor remains a clock for several *minutes*, but the system is not locked. I can log off of KDE (back to the boot up terminal session) without a problem. If I start up gnome, it starts up okay, including all the desktop icons. But when I try to log off, it won't. I try to log off about 5 times in a row. Eventually, something will get it to put up the log off dialog. Could this be ReiserFS doing this? Should I switch back to ext2? I played around with XFS in a different installation on this same hardware, and it didn't appear to have any issues (other than the fact that it defaults to read-only.) Thanks for all advice. I'd try another install. This time make /boot a separate partition, ext3. Make your other partitions ReiserFS. I've been usin ReiserFS since 7.2 beta's never a problem. If you opt for XFS, still make an ext3 /boot partition, 20 to 50 mb. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? On Monday September 1 2003 09:19 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote: System Commander trashed my hard disk when I attempted to resize my Win2K NTFS partition, so I'm forced to reinstall everything, including Linux on that same drive. This time around, I decided to try out ReiserFS as my root file system. During setup, I configured boot options, but after doing so, the installation program never returned. I rebooted and used drakxconf to install my X server. When I start up X in KDE, it starts up very slowly, and actually never puts up the desktop icons. The cursor remains a clock for several *minutes*, but the system is not locked. I can log off of KDE (back to the boot up terminal session) without a problem. If I start up gnome, it starts up okay, including all the desktop icons. But when I try to log off, it won't. I try to log off about 5 times in a row. Eventually, something will get it to put up the log off dialog. Could this be ReiserFS doing this? Should I switch back to ext2? I played around with XFS in a different installation on this same hardware, and it didn't appear to have any issues (other than the fact that it defaults to read-only.) Thanks for all advice. I'd try another install. This time make /boot a separate partition, ext3. Make your other partitions ReiserFS. I've been usin ReiserFS since 7.2 beta's never a problem. If you opt for XFS, still make an ext3 /boot partition, 20 to 50 mb. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 4:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 09:23 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. I'd go one further. Based on what Civileme said, my /boot is ext2. I think I may have the original post, if it helps, but it would take a bit of digging. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
I am curious if it is for performance or stability? I remember Civileme from the list and he obviously has a lot of insight into the file system. So please Anne for future reference if you could find it for me. Many Thanks, Tony. -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 4:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 09:23 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. I'd go one further. Based on what Civileme said, my /boot is ext2. I think I may have the original post, if it helps, but it would take a bit of digging. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 09:23 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. Strange, your original reply hasn't got through to me yet, but Tony's reply to it and your reply to him did. So I'm replying here... I didn't think it relevant but I do indeed have a separate partition for /boot that is 100 MB, formatted ext2. I have a single swap partition that is 500 MB. That should be okay, right? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:37:44 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. That advise is now out-dated as it applies to ReiserFS. It is now perfectly safe and acceptable for /boot to be ReiserFS. I have 6 systems all partitioned fully as ReiserFS and have never encountered any problem as related to the fs. In the case of XFS, ext2 or 3 should still be used for /boot. Charles -- You will pay for your sins. If you have already paid, please disregard this message. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel-2.4.22-3.tmb.1mdkenterprise http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 5:43 pm, Tony S. Sykes wrote: I am curious if it is for performance or stability? I remember Civileme from the list and he obviously has a lot of insight into the file system. So please Anne for future reference if you could find it for me. Tony, I am ashamed to say that my filing system has let me down. I can't find it at the moment. I'll post it when it turns up. Sorry Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS?
On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 12:43, Tony S. Sykes wrote: I am curious if it is for performance or stability? I remember Civileme from the list and he obviously has a lot of insight into the file system. So please Anne for future reference if you could find it for me. Many Thanks, Tony. iirc, it had to do with reiser being a module to the Kernel at the time. -Original Message- From: Anne Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 5:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] 9.1 X server startup/shutdown slow - ReiserFS? On Tuesday 02 Sep 2003 4:37 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Tuesday September 2 2003 09:23 am, Tony S. Sykes wrote: Tom, What is the reason you make /boot ext3? I do everything reiserfs is this wrong? Thanks, Tony. Because Civileme told me too ;) If you don't know, Civileme was a Mandrake employee who use to be a regular on this list. His job was QA, and as part of that he did extensive file system testing. He recommended XFS or ReiserFS, but cautioned that /boot should be on an ext3 partition. I never did understand exactly why tho, I just trusted his advice. I'd go one further. Based on what Civileme said, my /boot is ext2. I think I may have the original post, if it helps, but it would take a bit of digging. Anne -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
