[newbie] Dual boot problems
I have been fighting with a dual boot installation for days. I give up!!! It's time to ask you folks. I just did a low level format of the Hard drive and then a fresh install of win XP. Did a defrag, shut down right away and did a install of ML . I shrunk the windows partision 50% and did the rest of the installation. All went well. when I rebooted ML it worked great, as always. when I try to boot to XP all get is a black screen with a flashing curser. Anyone have any idea of what went wrong? Or how to fix it. Thanks Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: I have been fighting with a dual boot installation for days. I give up!!! It's time to ask you folks. I just did a low level format of the Hard drive and then a fresh install of win XP. Did a defrag, shut down right away and did a install of ML . I shrunk the windows partision 50% and did the rest of the installation. All went well. when I rebooted ML it worked great, as always. when I try to boot to XP all get is a black screen with a flashing curser. Anyone have any idea of what went wrong? Or how to fix it. Thanks Marc Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you should be ok. Better reinstall mdk on the entire disk! -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you should be ok. Better reinstall mdk on the entire disk! Thanks I will give it a try. You are right about better to install Mandrake on the entire disk but it is a friends machine and his wife and kids are sure that the world would end if they did not have XP. There is NO microsux junk on my personal machines :) ! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 18:22, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 05:53 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 17:18, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: snip Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you should be ok. I just tried that and still get the same black screen when trying to boot into windoze. also tried inserting Mandrake disk 1, using the F1 option, typing rescue and using the restore MBR option. Still no joy. The good news is that mandrake still works well. Marc Windows XP didn't reinstall. Did the system reformat while reinstalling XP this should be done because you have a defective file in the windows part. Yep I did the windows format ruteine. Not the quick format but the full format. I have had this problem several times before on this machine and the only way that I have been able to get winsux back up and running is to do a full low level format using the zero fill tool from seagate and then doing the winsux reinstall. I have done dual boot installations with XP and ML before and NEVER had this kind of problem!!! Maybe I should mention that this is a brand new XP cd that I am using. It is supposed to have service pack 1 allready installed on it. This is starting to make me wonder if the folks at microsux have not found a way to take something bad and make it worse. The update dosen't need rescue mode but is probabley dosen't hurt to use it. I would just take defaults untill I had the option to select update/install and then select update. Yep I tried that. After that did not work I tried the rescue mode. By the end of the night the XP disk may become a target for rifle practice at 200 yards. Thanks Marc That would be more fun. The only suggestion I would have is to do a low level format and partition with the mdk CD1 using expert mode and define all partitions making Wind$usks the 1st partition. Then install windows XP and make sure it works. Then install mdk and if windows quits working have fun at the range. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 08:07 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 18:22, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 05:53 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 17:18, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: snip Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you should be ok. I just tried that and still get the same black screen when trying to boot into windoze. also tried inserting Mandrake disk 1, using the F1 option, typing rescue and using the restore MBR option. Still no joy. The good news is that mandrake still works well. Marc Windows XP didn't reinstall. Did the system reformat while reinstalling XP this should be done because you have a defective file in the windows part. Yep I did the windows format ruteine. Not the quick format but the full format. I have had this problem several times before on this machine and the only way that I have been able to get winsux back up and running is to do a full low level format using the zero fill tool from seagate and then doing the winsux reinstall. I have done dual boot installations with XP and ML before and NEVER had this kind of problem!!! Maybe I should mention that this is a brand new XP cd that I am using. It is supposed to have service pack 1 allready installed on it. This is starting to make me wonder if the folks at microsux have not found a way to take something bad and make it worse. The update dosen't need rescue mode but is probabley dosen't hurt to use it. I would just take defaults untill I had the option to select update/install and then select update. Yep I tried that. After that did not work I tried the rescue mode. By the end of the night the XP disk may become a target for rifle practice at 200 yards. Thanks Marc That would be more fun. The only suggestion I would have is to do a low level format and partition with the mdk CD1 using expert mode and define all partitions making Wind$usks the 1st partition. Then install windows XP and make sure it works. Then install mdk and if windows quits working have fun at the range. Been there, done that, yesterday. Here is the latest game plan. I am going to use a floppy for the master boot record. If that works I may try it putting the MBR on the root partison or perhaps creating a seperate partison for the MBR. I cant remember what all the options for the MBR are at the end of the ML install. Hell I never needed to . The defalt setting always worked UNTIL NOW. My best guess at this point is that maybe XP does not like sharing the first sector of the Hard disk with anything else, juest a guess. Thanks for your suggestions. Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems
On Tuesday 21 September 2004 20:28, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 08:07 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 18:22, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 05:53 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 17:18, Marc wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 01:37 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote: On Tuesday 21 September 2004 12:09, Marc wrote: snip Reinstall XP. Insert CD1 run an update not a reinstall of mdk and you should be ok. I just tried that and still get the same black screen when trying to boot into windoze. also tried inserting Mandrake disk 1, using the F1 option, typing rescue and using the restore MBR option. Still no joy. The good news is that mandrake still works well. Marc Windows XP didn't reinstall. Did the system reformat while reinstalling XP this should be done because you have a defective file in the windows part. Yep I did the windows format ruteine. Not the quick format but the full format. I have had this problem several times before on this machine and the only way that I have been able to get winsux back up and running is to do a full low level format using the zero fill tool from seagate and then doing the winsux reinstall. I have done dual boot installations with XP and ML before and NEVER had this kind of problem!!! Maybe I should mention that this is a brand new XP cd that I am using. It is supposed to have service pack 1 allready installed on it. This is starting to make me wonder if the folks at microsux have not found a way to take something bad and make it worse. The update dosen't need rescue mode but is probabley dosen't hurt to use it. I would just take defaults untill I had the option to select update/install and then select update. Yep I tried that. After that did not work I tried the rescue mode. By the end of the night the XP disk may become a target for rifle practice at 200 yards. Thanks Marc That would be more fun. The only suggestion I would have is to do a low level format and partition with the mdk CD1 using expert mode and define all partitions making Wind$usks the 1st partition. Then install windows XP and make sure it works. Then install mdk and if windows quits working have fun at the range. Been there, done that, yesterday. Here is the latest game plan. I am going to use a floppy for the master boot record. If that works I may try it putting the MBR on the root partison or perhaps creating a seperate partison for the MBR. I cant remember what all the options for the MBR are at the end of the ML install. Hell I never needed to . The defalt setting always worked UNTIL NOW. My best guess at this point is that maybe XP does not like sharing the first sector of the Hard disk with anything else, juest a guess. Thanks for your suggestions. Marc Sounds reasonable, have fun. -- Regards; Hoyt Registered Linux User #363264 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Dual boot problems
I recently got Mandrake 8.1 standard edition, having read it was good for those with absolutely no idea about linux, like me. I installed it alongside my usual Windows 98 on the same hard disk, and although the bootloader menu shows Windows I can't boot into it; the screen reads Loading Windows and just hangs. I tried booting from a floppy to get into DOS but the same thing happened. I made a boot floppy from within linux and it booted from that OK, but it just gave me a boot: prompt which I didn't know how to use. I have a partitioning program but that boots from a floppy, which I can't do. What's going on? Help! Thanks Rob -- Sent with Me-Mail, Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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what do you mean w/ 'on the same disk' ? do you have different partitions ? or did you install win98 and linux and exactly the same partition ? - keep the X in your system - -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. April 2002 14:38 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [newbie] Dual boot problems I recently got Mandrake 8.1 standard edition, having read it was good for those with absolutely no idea about linux, like me. I installed it alongside my usual Windows 98 on the same hard disk, and although the bootloader menu shows Windows I can't boot into it; the screen reads Loading Windows and just hangs. I tried booting from a floppy to get into DOS but the same thing happened. I made a boot floppy from within linux and it booted from that OK, but it just gave me a boot: prompt which I didn't know how to use. I have a partitioning program but that boots from a floppy, which I can't do. What's going on? Help! Thanks Rob -- Sent with Me-Mail, Boltblue's FREE mobile messaging service. http://www.boltblue.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual boot problems...
I guess I'll take a crack at this one! :0) So here goes. Having had one of my machines set up as a Dual boot at one point, I've encountered several different things. I've also installed different distros, but I'll try and stick with the Mandrake info here. First of all let's start with the hard drives and how they are set up. Linux and Windows set up the HDD differently. for example, two hard drives, each with two partitions. You would think that in Windows that it would go as follows: X-zibit A HDD 1 Partition 1 -- C: Partition 2 -- D: HDD 2 Partition 1 -- E: Partition 2 -- F: But that's not *always* the case! At one point that Dual boot was only Windows with drives C through G. Well C, E, and F were on HDD 1 and D G were on HDD 2. I simply gave up using tools to rename them. But it ended up looking like this. X-zibit B HDD 1 Partition 1 -- C: Partition 2 -- E: Partition 3 -- F: HDD 2 Partition 1 -- D: Partition 2 -- G: Linux, I think, handles how it sets that up a bit better. For example in the case of the example I used above about HDD1 and HDD2, it will give those HDDs the name of /dev/hd and then the a,b,c, so on for which HDD it is. So in Linux, X-zibit A would then translated to: X-zibit C HDD 1 Partition 1 -- /dev/hda1 Partition 2 -- /dev/hda2 (possibly to /dev/hda5) HDD 2 Partition 1 -- /dev/hdb1 Partition 2 -- /dev/hdb5 Now I'm not entirely sure why it gives the second partition to HDD2 as /dev/hdb5, but I've noticed that a lot on different Linux distros. So I can't explain that. Having explained that, Linux is kind of picky about where it's boot information is. That's the MBR which would be on HDD 1 in your instance as well as /boot which should be on the first 1024 sectors of HDD 2. I've tried putting that /boot and install Linux on what would be /dev/hda2 from X-zibit C, drive D: from X-zibit A, it won't boot at all. LiLO gives you nothing because it doesn't recognize how it's set up. So it forces you to use the first partition on the second drive. You could, in making your dual boot systems, install Windows on the HDD1, then install Linux on HDD2. Making that drive bootable and go into the BIOS each time you boot and tell it to boot from HDD1 or HDD2. Which is possible and I know people that do that. But you lose the chance of accessing data on that Windows partition which is automatically supermounted when Mandrake boots. (Caldera will do this as well.) It's always best to set your swap as the last part of your HDD. Normally the swap is twice the size of what your RAM is. (128 MB RAM, 256 MG Linux Swap) If you put the /swap at the end of the HDD it doesn't cause any problems with where is /boot, or things of that nature. So, from what I can gather, you want to have a dual boot system, with out the use of a floppy. So you will install Windows on HDD1, make sure you fdisk /mbr just to be sure before you start the Linux install. The install Linux on HDD2. Installing / on /dev/hdb1 and then /home on /dev/hdb5. You may also want to partition it differently, and DiskDrake can do all of that for you if you would like. I normally go through and set that up myself. After you run the install, install everything on the second HDD, install the boot information on /dev/hda1, which it will default to in the install. Remove all bootable media, reboot, and you should see the stage1, stage2 then offer you a menu which will give you windows, floppy, linux and some other options. I normally go and in an edit the boot information in the install and remove the floppy option. Since if you boot from the floppy, you wouldn't see that menu anyway! I don't see the point in leaving it in there, but others could agrue reasons to keep it. Well, I think that's a start at least. And hopefully this didn't add to the confusion of it all, but hopefully this will be found as helpful tdh T. Holmes Unixtechs.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Real Men use Vi." * Dave Linsalata [EMAIL PROTECTED] [010401 21:47]: | Hello, | | Well it's been two hours since I got Mandrake up, and, despite hundreds of | "how do I's" and "why doesn't this work" floating around in my head, I'm | loving it! But I have a problem. And I need help (please:)) | | *skip down for meat of question...keep reading if you know win98...the below | data /could/ apply to my main question* | | My old setup was thus: | Hard Drive 1 - partitioned into 2 HDs, of which one was pseudo-partitioned | using partition magic into swap and ext2 space. | Hard Drive 2 - 500 megs compressed into 800 megs. | The letter was C and D for 1, and E (with the compressed host on H) | (F and G are CD and CD-RW drives) | | Now, after installing Mandrake, my setup is thus: | Hard drive 1 - same partitions, but for some reason letters are now C and E) | Hard drive 2 - now letter D, and has 1.97 gigs free (apparently) with my | data sitting in a "drivespace.000" hidden file | | I understand that this is a mandrake list, but I wanted to throw this out
[newbie] Dual boot problems...
Hello, Well it's been two hours since I got Mandrake up, and, despite hundreds of "how do I's" and "why doesn't this work" floating around in my head, I'm loving it! But I have a problem. And I need help (please:)) *skip down for meat of question...keep reading if you know win98...the below data /could/ apply to my main question* My old setup was thus: Hard Drive 1 - partitioned into 2 HDs, of which one was pseudo-partitioned using partition magic into swap and ext2 space. Hard Drive 2 - 500 megs compressed into 800 megs. The letter was C and D for 1, and E (with the compressed host on H) (F and G are CD and CD-RW drives) Now, after installing Mandrake, my setup is thus: Hard drive 1 - same partitions, but for some reason letters are now C and E) Hard drive 2 - now letter D, and has 1.97 gigs free (apparently) with my data sitting in a "drivespace.000" hidden file I understand that this is a mandrake list, but I wanted to throw this out to people and see if they knew what to do (oh, and have I mentioned the win98 system control panel won't let me re-assign the drive letters?:)) **MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION** I can't dual boot. Lilo can't install (understandable b/c I assume it is past the cylinder barrier.) BUT, when I try to bootup w/o my mandrake boot disk, I get "Reading DMI Pool Information" this is normal "Stage 1" a lot like the mandrake startup, eh *freeze*this is not normal;) So, I fdisk /mbr'ed, and viola! ...same thing happens. doh! I have tried playing around with my bios, but using other driver letters does not work. Since the "Stage 1" resembles an awful lot the beginning of a linux boot, I'm suspecting that LILO is stuck on there somehow...how do I get rid of it?! PLEASE help:) Much thanks in advance! -Dave
RE: [newbie] Dual boot problems...
Hey guys, I've had a bunch of people ask me if anyone solved this problem, since they are encountering it too, so I figured I would resend the question w/o all my random other info: I am trying to dual boot a win98 and Mandrake 7.2 system. Lilo can't install (b/c I assume it is past the cylinder barrier.) This is what happens when I try to boot w/o a boot disk: "Reading DMI Pool Information" this is normal "Stage 1" a lot like the mandrake startup, eh *freeze*this is not normal;) So, I fdisk /mbr'ed, and viola! ...same thing happens. doh! Since the "Stage 1" resembles an awful lot the beginning of a linux boot, I'm suspecting that LILO is stuck on there somehow... -Dave
