Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2003 1:06 am, Mark Weaver wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 14:46, robin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOBOBOBGOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO Would someone kindly remove ninja queen from this list and/or get her urgent medical attention? Sir Robin it's not femm having a bad trip? nah...even when Femm is having a bad day she at least sounds intelligent. This one sounds as though she possesses the IQ of a balogne and cheese sandwich My first guess was that someone left the computer logged in, and their younger brother got hold of the keyboard. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:26, Heather/Femme wrote: it's not femm having a bad trip? lol! Most assuredly, NOT! I've been sober since last Thursday. Count on Wednesday being another stoner day though. *sigh*. Last one fortunately for a while. heh Femme Femme has a trip whether or not there are drugs present. Slaves have confirmed this. No matter what day, time or place, there is a FemmeFatale trip happening...I suggest asking the nearest Chinese take-away to her...they're in what, Canuckland, right? Or the pharmacies within a 1000km range...they're most likely to be the best familiars... (g) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- What foods these morsels be! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:58:31 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 08:26, Heather/Femme wrote: it's not femm having a bad trip? lol! Most assuredly, NOT! I've been sober since last Thursday. Count on Wednesday being another stoner day though. *sigh*. Last one fortunately for a while. heh Femme Femme has a trip whether or not there are drugs present. Slaves have confirmed this. No matter what day, time or place, there is a FemmeFatale trip happening...I suggest asking the nearest Chinese take-away to her...they're in what, Canuckland, right? Or the pharmacies within a 1000km range...they're most likely to be the best familiars... (g) stephen kuhn - owner God you're bad! You've been talking to My slaves again haven't you? damnit I knew I should of kept them gagged. Femme Proud owner of sweetjourney mittens Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] file fragmentation
BOBOBOBGOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOBOBOBGOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO Would someone kindly remove ninja queen from this list and/or get her urgent medical attention? Sir Robin -- I can say: 'Thank these bees for their honey as though they were kind people who have prepared it for you'; that is intelligible and describes how I should like you to conduct yourself. But I cannot say: 'Thank them because, look, how kind they are!'--since the next moment they may sting you. - Wittgenstein Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 14:46, robin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOBOBOBGOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO Would someone kindly remove ninja queen from this list and/or get her urgent medical attention? Sir Robin it's not femm having a bad trip? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:12:25 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 14:46, robin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOBOBOBGOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO Would someone kindly remove ninja queen from this list and/or get her urgent medical attention? Sir Robin it's not femm having a bad trip? lol! Most assuredly, NOT! I've been sober since last Thursday. Count on Wednesday being another stoner day though. *sigh*. Last one fortunately for a while. heh Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 18:06, Mark Weaver wrote: Aron Smith wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 14:46, robin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BOBOBOBGOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO Would someone kindly remove ninja queen from this list and/or get her urgent medical attention? Sir Robin it's not femm having a bad trip? nah...even when Femm is having a bad day she at least sounds intelligent. This one sounds as though she possesses the IQ of a balogne and cheese sandwich OMG its my exwife Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] file fragmentation
Could someone please set the record straight... Do files on ext3 filesystems get and stay fragmented? Does this degrade performance? What tools are available to defrag? TIA Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] file fragmentation
Paul, You should really look in the archives (last 2 months). The quick answer is not it does not fragment. Tony. -Original Message- From: Paul Kaplan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] file fragmentation Could someone please set the record straight... Do files on ext3 filesystems get and stay fragmented? Does this degrade performance? What tools are available to defrag? TIA Paul -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either Tony S. Sykes or the postmaster mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com http://www.bcpsoftware.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 11:16 am, Paul Kaplan wrote: Could someone please set the record straight... Do files on ext3 filesystems get and stay fragmented? Does this degrade performance? What tools are available to defrag? TIA Paul Answers Not to any significant degree, No, and Possibly, but why bother. To give background I will explain how files are put onto Microsoft VFAT partitions and Ext3 In VFAT partitions the disc is divided into blocks. When a file is written it is divided into block sized chunks. The first block is always written to the first available block on the HD, the second goes to the next available block and so on. This means that as files are deleted holes open up in the block allocation, and subsequent files get fragmented if they are larger than the first available hole. Eventually the HD gets hopelessly fragmented and a defrag is required. By contrast Ext3 divides the HD into inodes. When a file is written to HD it is written to an area large enough to hold it as a continuous file without fragmenting. If there is no area large enough, then it gets fragmented. The effect with Ext3 is that so long as the free space on the HD is relatively large compared to the size of individual files, then fragmentation is negligible. It is only when the HD is nearly full, or you have a lot of really huge files being written/deleted you might get fragmentation. In that case I believe XFS is a better file system to use. (but am not sure why) derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 20:16, Paul Kaplan wrote: Could someone please set the record straight... Do files on ext3 filesystems get and stay fragmented? Does this degrade performance? What tools are available to defrag? TIA Paul Fragmentation for any ext file system (or any of the other unix/linux file systems) is not the same as with a FAT/FAT32/NTFS file system; you rarely if ever would require the usage of anything to reorganise the file structure as they're just not made that way. That is the one thing you can throw away for worrying, mate. Ditto with viruses. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- HOST SYSTEM RESPONDING, PROBABLY UP... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] file fragmentation
Thanks. Nice explanation. Do you know the advantages/disadvantages of the other journalized filesystems. P On Thursday 18 September 2003 06:52 am, Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 18 Sep 2003 11:16 am, Paul Kaplan wrote: Could someone please set the record straight... Do files on ext3 filesystems get and stay fragmented? Does this degrade performance? What tools are available to defrag? TIA Paul Answers Not to any significant degree, No, and Possibly, but why bother. To give background I will explain how files are put onto Microsoft VFAT partitions and Ext3 In VFAT partitions the disc is divided into blocks. When a file is written it is divided into block sized chunks. The first block is always written to the first available block on the HD, the second goes to the next available block and so on. This means that as files are deleted holes open up in the block allocation, and subsequent files get fragmented if they are larger than the first available hole. Eventually the HD gets hopelessly fragmented and a defrag is required. By contrast Ext3 divides the HD into inodes. When a file is written to HD it is written to an area large enough to hold it as a continuous file without fragmenting. If there is no area large enough, then it gets fragmented. The effect with Ext3 is that so long as the free space on the HD is relatively large compared to the size of individual files, then fragmentation is negligible. It is only when the HD is nearly full, or you have a lot of really huge files being written/deleted you might get fragmentation. In that case I believe XFS is a better file system to use. (but am not sure why) derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] File fragmentation?
How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] File fragmentation?
-Original Message- From: Brooks Family [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 11:36 AM To: Newbie Subject: [newbie] File fragmentation? How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? Linux and MS windows differ greatly on this. If you are using a journalized fileing system such as ext3, jfs, or rieser, then don't even worry about it. If you are using ext2, fragmentation is virtually noexistant. Jonathan G. Shilling Senior LAN Administrator Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File fragmentation?
On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 11:36:15 -0500 Brooks Family [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? The file system is just smarter about how it writes and locates on the drive, so much smarter than something like FAT32 that it is not even on the same plane of existence. NTFS might be slightly better than FAT32, I am not sure, but I know I have had to defrag NTFS drives before so it does happen. As for the nitty gritty, you would need to do some heavy reading on Journalised File Systems, Google is your friend there. Main thing is, don't worry about it, it would take you decades of haphazard writing and deleting to frag your linux partitions. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 13:06:33 up 15 days, 18:47, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.03, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File fragmentation?
http://librenix.com/?inode=829 On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:36, Brooks Family wrote: How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #204611 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File fragmentation?
Brooks Family wrote: How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? IIRC, I wrote a long explanation of this a couple of weeks ago. The short explanation is: Linux filesystems don't fragment because they don't put files in stupid places. Unix doesn't either. Nor does MacIntosh. I doubt if BeOS or OS/2 do either. Hmmm, who does that leave? Sir Robin -- A strategy is still being formulated. Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File fragmentation?
On Fri, 2003-07-11 at 02:36, Brooks Family wrote: How does linux handle file fragmentation and, thus, defragmentation? No need. Unless you're running a news server or a file server that has thousands and thousands of very small files, and that would be using Ext3 - else, you don't worry about it. -- Fri Jul 11 09:30:00 EST 2003 09:30:00 up 4 days, 11:02, 3 users, load average: 0.36, 0.35, 0.33 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Then, gently touching my face, she hesitated for a moment as her incredible eyes poured forth into mine love, joy, pain, tragedy, acceptance, and peace. 'Bye for now, she said warmly. -- Thea Alexander, 2150 A.D. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
