Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
There isn't that much of a difference. If you don't have a fast connection, then I wouldn't recommend going through the trouble of downloading it. Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between Helix Gnome (or whatever its called now) and the Gnome that is installed with ML 7.2? Is it worth downloading and installing? -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
If you have the bandwidth, Helix (now Ximian) GNOME is definitely worth downloading and installing. Most official Mandrake updates are to fix security bugs, not to introduce new features. Ximian GNOME, on the other hand, provides the latest updates for packages (after being checked for bugs, of course). That way your system (the GNOME portion) will always be up-to-date. On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:04, Kevin Tambascio wrote: Hi, Can anyone explain to me what the difference is between Helix Gnome (or whatever its called now) and the Gnome that is installed with ML 7.2? Is it worth downloading and installing? Thanks in advance, Kevin -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2
I had this problem and used the advice I recieved from the helix supportstaff. as root: chmod +x /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Gnome Also add that command to the bottom of /etc/rc.local. This works for gdm I am not sure about kdm but you may try to substitute kdm for gdm and or use gdm. - Original Message - From: "Mannequin*" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: [newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2 Hi all, I've just downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my MDK 7.2 system. After the install 'kdm' stopped allowing me to access Gnome at all. (It doesn't show up in the window managers list at all.) How do I go about getting it back on the list so that I can use Gnome instead of KDE? I've seen elsewhere, where someone suggested that you create a file in /etc/X11/wmsession.d/ called '02gnome' which had the contents: NAME=Gnome ICON=gnome-wmsession.xpm DESC=Gnome Desktop Environment EXEC=/usr/bin/gnome-session SCRIPT: exec /usr/bin/gnome-session I tried that and when that didn't work, I manually edited usr/share/config/kdmrc and added Gnome to the list. Of course that added Gnome to the list, but caused 'kdm' to load up IceWM, instead of Gnome. I then used the 'Login Manager' application that came with KDE to edit the list, and put Gnome back in the list, but it only got the same results as putting it in manually. That's the extent of my travels so far. Any help would be appreciated. I guess the full extent of my question would be how to get Gnome to start up, and how to get Mandrake's menus to 'see' my Gnome software again. Thanks for you help. -Mannequin*
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2
Mannequin* wrote: Hi all, I've just downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my MDK 7.2 system. After the install 'kdm' stopped allowing me to access Gnome at all. (It doesn't show up in the window managers list at all.) How do I go about getting it back on the list so that I can use Gnome instead of KDE? I had this problem exactly and I have to thank John Wheat for passing on what he learned from Helix. When I followed these instructions it worked for me. I tried to reply to this thread last week but I guess only one of three of my posts actually makes it to the list... At any rate try this to fix your GDM problem; as root: chmod +x /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Gnome Also add that command to the bottom of /etc/rc.local. -- John Wheat -- Traci Collins http://www.rof.net/wp/tcollins/traci.html
Re:[newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2
I had this problem and used the advice I recieved from the helix supportstaff. as root: chmod +x /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Gnome also add that command to the bottom of /etc/rc.local. This works for gdm I am not sure about kdm but you may try to substitute kdm for gdm and or use gdm. - Original Message - From: "Mannequin*" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:55 PM Subject: [newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2 Hi all, I've just downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my MDK 7.2 system. After the install 'kdm' stopped allowing me to access Gnome at all. (It doesn't show up in the window managers list at all.) How do I go about getting it back on the list so that I can use Gnome instead of KDE? I've seen elsewhere, where someone suggested that you create a file in /etc/X11/wmsession.d/ called '02gnome' which had the contents: NAME=Gnome ICON=gnome-wmsession.xpm DESC=Gnome Desktop Environment EXEC=/usr/bin/gnome-session SCRIPT: exec /usr/bin/gnome-session I tried that and when that didn't work, I manually edited usr/share/config/kdmrc and added Gnome to the list. Of course that added Gnome to the list, but caused 'kdm' to load up IceWM, instead of Gnome. I then used the 'Login Manager' application that came with KDE to edit the list, and put Gnome back in the list, but it only got the same results as putting it in manually. That's the extent of my travels so far. Any help would be appreciated. I guess the full extent of my question would be how to get Gnome to start up, and how to get Mandrake's menus to 'see' my Gnome software again. Thanks for you help. -Mannequin*
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2
"John W" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I had this problem and used the advice I recieved from the helix supportstaff. as root: chmod +x /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/Gnome also add that command to the bottom of /etc/rc.local. This works for gdm I am not sure about kdm but you may try to substitute kdm for gdm and or use gdm. Well, until I hear that either Helix or Mandrakesoft has fixed this error, I'm not going to worry about Helix Gnome. Although I like it a lot better than the Gnome that Mandrakesoft is putting out, I don't have the time to worry about that particular problem until I fix the many other small (more important) problems residing in my MDK system. (One of which involves connecting via both my modem and LAN [not at the same time], instead of just being able to connect via the LAN. There are times I need to use my modem for Internet access.) Anyway, Thanks for all of your help. -Mannequin*
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome and MDK 7.2
Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yea, that's some kind of bug in Helix-Gnome. The same thing happened to me too. To "fix" it, create the file ~/.Xclients-default if it's not already in your home directory, and then put "exec gnome-session" in that file. Then when you log in, select "Default" from the list of window managers, and it should bring up Gnome. It never worked. I've been forced to reinstall Mandrake's original Gnome package and work from there. Thanks for all of your help. -Mannequin* Hi all, I've just downloaded and installed Helix Gnome on my MDK 7.2 system. After the install 'kdm' stopped allowing me to access Gnome at all. (It doesn't show up in the window managers list at all.) How do I go about getting it back on the list so that I can use Gnome instead of KDE? I've seen elsewhere, where someone suggested that you create a file in /etc/X11/wmsession.d/ called '02gnome' which had the contents: NAME=Gnome ICON=gnome-wmsession.xpm DESC=Gnome Desktop Environment EXEC=/usr/bin/gnome-session SCRIPT: exec /usr/bin/gnome-session I tried that and when that didn't work, I manually edited usr/share/config/kdmrc and added Gnome to the list. Of course that added Gnome to the list, but caused 'kdm' to load up IceWM, instead of Gnome. I then used the 'Login Manager' application that came with KDE to edit the list, and put Gnome back in the list, but it only got the same results as putting it in manually. That's the extent of my travels so far. Any help would be appreciated. I guess the full extent of my question would be how to get Gnome to start up, and how to get Mandrake's menus to 'see' my Gnome software again. Thanks for you help. -Mannequin* -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
[newbie] Helix Gnome install on Mdk 7.2
Hello, Does anyone have Helix Gnome installed on Mandrke 7.2 ? If so in your opinion is it better than the standard install of Gnome? Would appreciate any comments and insights. Thanks, dkunz
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome install on Mdk 7.2
I asked the same question on the list about a week ago and the response I received was great (thanks everyone). To summarise, there are several people on the list (including myself now) that are successfully using Helix GNOME on Mandrake 7.2. The Helix download page only mentions Mandrake 6.1, 7.0 and 7.1 as being supported. I e-mailed Helixcode regarding this about a week ago and they said that 7.2 would not work well with Helix GNOME, but a Mandrake 7.2 version is due soon. This is merely the official word, and I can say that Helix GNOME works fine on my 7.2 system. The most noticable differences are a few new panel applets (like a stock ticker) and your menu gets a little messed up as all the Helix links are placed above the Mandrake ones. The Mandrake and Helix GNOMEs vary little at the present. This will change with time, however, as Helix releases updates via their Helix Updates service more often than Mandrake does. Mandrake Updates focuses on security issues and some bug-fixes, whereas Helix Updates tries to give you the latest packages and features. On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 01:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Does anyone have Helix Gnome installed on Mandrke 7.2 ? If so in your opinion is it better than the standard install of Gnome? Would appreciate any comments and insights. Thanks, dkunz -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
[newbie] Helix GNOME Mandrake 7.2
Has anyone tried Helix GNOME with Mandrake 7.2? The download page says it is compatible with Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1, but there is no mention of 7.2. Is it possible to keep the Mandrake application menus (editable through menudrake) with Helix GNOME? -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. Your mouse has moved. Windows must be rebooted to acknowledge this change.
Re: [newbie] Helix GNOME Mandrake 7.2
Yes, you can install with 7.2. However there are a few problems with doing that. First your menus get screwed up a little bit in Gnome. You have multiple links to programs in the menus and they become pretty cluttered. Secondly MandrakeUpdate won't work right with updates concered with Gnome stuff. Right now MandrakeUpdate says I need to update some Gnome apps, even though they are already updated. The problem lies with that my Gnome apps are helix_gnome code, whereas the ones that Mandrake want's me to update with are mdk code. It's not too big a deal, just make sure you don't try to update something with MandrakeUpdate that is already updated via helix-update. Finally, your login screen will get all screwy. I'm assuming this happens on all Mandrake 7.2 systems (since it happened to me and some other guy on the internet), but what happens is that under the window manager selection screen the Gnome option disappears. Yes, it is pretty ironic that upgrading Gnome will cause you not to be able to select Gnome from the login options, but that's the way it is. The way to get around that is to put this into your ~/.Xclients-default file: exec gnome-session Then at the login screen, select "Default" for your Window manager. That should then get you into Gnome hopefully. Has anyone tried Helix GNOME with Mandrake 7.2? The download page says it is compatible with Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1, but there is no mention of 7.2. Is it possible to keep the Mandrake application menus (editable through menudrake) with Helix GNOME? -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
[newbie] Helix Gnome Sounds
I've tried disabling sounds in the gnome control panel, but I still get sounds in helix. Is there another way to do this? These sounds are driving me nuts. Thanks. Harry -- ___ Harry Flaxman | Reg Linux User 182484 http://web.meganet.net/hflaxman ICQ # 22086907 | Reg Linux System 80769
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
I have been using Helix GNOME for some time now, so I believe I am well qualified to answer your questions. Here goes... 1. I was running GNOME during the Helix GNOME installation. I was careful, though, not to run too many GNOME apps. All I had open was GMC and a few panel applets, just in case. If you are paranoid, you can do it from something like KDE or a window manager alone (BlackBox is really cool). 2. After logging on and off again, I found that Helix GNOME had removed all my panel applets. This was no problem, though, and I just restarted them manually. One thing I found is that the combined Desktop Guide/Tasklist applet was no longer present and I had to load a separate Desktop Guide and Tasklist to get the same effect. If you choose to use the Sawfish Window Mamanger (which has replaced Enlightenment as GNOME's default WM), then you may want to fiddle around with the settings to get it working the way you want it. Although initially annoying, I was much happier after everything was set up. 3. Helix GNOME is much better than its predecessor. You will find that the GNOME team have concentrated on tweaking the interface for far better stability and usability rather than doing anything drastic. The Sawfish Window Manager is *much* better than Enlightenment and most other window managers. It takes up much less memory and hard drive space, is faster, and is far more flexible via its configuration menus (which have now merged with GNOME's) and its LISP-based scripting language. GNOME now has far greater and better documentation for its features, though it is still a work in progress. 4. I strongly recommend Helix GNOME. The Helix Installer makes installing GNOME a snap. I downloaded the full installer (14Mb) rather than use their recommended method (using Lynx), and I feel that this is a better method, particularly if you don't want Lynx. If a problem arises you can simply restart the installer and it will resume from where you left off. I hope this all helps. On Thu, 03 Aug 2000, Jim Dwyer wrote: Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? 4. Do you recommend it? I can't decide whether or not to install it. Hmmm well i'll just wait to see what all of you say. Thanks -- Jim Dwyer Registered Linux User# 184760 -- _ Sridhar Dhanapalan Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! _
[newbie] Helix Gnome Icons
Help me plz. I just installed helix gnome and it's workin great except for one thing. My desktop icons are all messed up. They are there and work, but the icons are all different and i can't change them back. HOWDOICHANGETHEICONFORTHELAUCNHERS THANKS -- Jim Dwyer Registered Linux User# 184760
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
Sorry, I answered out of order... 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? 4. Do you recommend it? There are a lot of critics out there which have said the only thing they don't like about Mandrake 7.1 is the fact that Mandrake chose NOT to use Helix-Gnome in their distro. Some people, though, have a point when they say that the Helix updater may in fact install packages that are not approved by MandrakeSoft and may not function accordig to the Mandrake optimisation. I don't know...I have only used the Helix-Gnome updater under Red Hat. 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? Um... Gnome is the required environment to install under, the gui installer which you download from Helix only runs under Gnome. Did you mean to ask whether you needed to be in console mode to install? 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? Depending on how you have your system optimised, the Helix Updater may in fact make unexpected or undesirable changes to your system. You run this risk whenever you install a new version of a critical package such a XFree86, desktop environments, or do OS updates. I can't decide whether or not to install it. Hmmm well i'll just wait to see what all of you say. If you are not currently using gnome as you desktop environment, you may want to try it out. You will be able to stay on top of the gnome updates more readily as I don't believe Mandrake yet posts "daily gnome" updates to the site. --Greg __ message envoye depuis http://www.ifrance.com emails (pop)-sites persos (espace illimite)-agenda-favoris (bookmarks)-forums Ecoutez ce message par tel ! : 08 92 68 92 15 (france uniquement)
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
I tried doing the Helix download thing recently. It got part of the way into the download then quit on a segmentation fault, complaining of something to do with a missing "gtkhtml" file. Anyone know what's up with that? Phil On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Roger Pithers wrote: Jim Dwyer wrote: Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? Whichever suits, it's not fussy. 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? It will update all packages to Helix packages, which are often better, suggest that those you want to keep you stash away somewhere for safe keeping. 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? Before Helix I hated Gnome, I found it messy and unstable - now I use it all the time - Nuff said?? 4. Do you recommend it? Most definitely. Roger
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
Jim Dwyer wrote: Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? 4. Do you recommend it? I can't decide whether or not to install it. Hmmm well i'll just wait to see what all of you say. Thanks -- Jim Dwyer Registered Linux User# 184760 I am trying to upgrade to Helix, but have no idea how toIf someone could point me the way -- ___ Harry Flaxman | Reg Linux User 182484 http://web.meganet.net/hflaxman ICQ # 22086907 | Reg Linux System 80769
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
Jim Dwyer wrote: Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? Whichever suits, it's not fussy. 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? It will update all packages to Helix packages, which are often better, suggest that those you want to keep you stash away somewhere for safe keeping. 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? Before Helix I hated Gnome, I found it messy and unstable - now I use it all the time - Nuff said?? 4. Do you recommend it? Most definitely. Roger
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? It doesn't matter. If you install it in Gnome, you'll have to logout and then back in for the changes to take place. 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? It didn't change mine, except for the program menu's. It adds its own categories and directories, while keeping all the regular Mandrake ones. It's not too much of a deal, but if you don't like redundancy or messiness, then it might bother you. 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? Love it. It's fast, stable, and the installation is one of the best I've ever seen in Linux. 4. Do you recommend it? If you have the bandwidth, definitly. -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome
Helix Gnome is great...nice eye candy. It will take the place of standard Gnome, but will alow you with switch to other windows managers just not back to standard gnome. It has the easiest installer I have seen for linux. Give it a try you can always backout if you need to. I installed from gnome, it shouldn't make a difference on what window manager you install from, only affects gnome. have fun. - Original Message - From: Jim Dwyer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:46 AM Subject: [newbie] Helix Gnome Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? 4. Do you recommend it? I can't decide whether or not to install it. Hmmm well i'll just wait to see what all of you say. Thanks -- Jim Dwyer Registered Linux User# 184760
[newbie] Helix Gnome
Is anyone using Helix Gnome? If so i got a few questions: 1. Which environment (KDE, Gnome, ...) should i be using when i install it? 2. Will it mess up my current gnome configuration? 3. Do you like Helix Gnome? 4. Do you recommend it? I can't decide whether or not to install it. Hmmm well i'll just wait to see what all of you say. Thanks -- Jim Dwyer Registered Linux User# 184760
[newbie] Helix GNOME
Anyone who is interested in upgrading to Helix GNOME... ...at the root command prompt type: lynx -source http://go-gnome.com | sh Easiest install/upgrade I have **EVER** done, on **ANY** system 8) -- __ [K][D][M]-=-=-=-=-[K][D][M] UIN:82189397 [K][D][M]-ETERNAL-[K][D][M] IM: xKxDxMx [K][D][M]-=-=-=-=-[K][D][M] E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
