Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread chris

I have been using Linux (Mandrake and Red Hat) sans MS Windows for almost
a year
now.  We can do anything a windows user can do and more.   I did need a
book to
learn basics, and everyday I am learning more, not just about Linux use, but
about computers in general.  It depends upon what your computing needs
are.  If
you want to have everything done nice and easily for you and if you do not
mind giving up flexibility and money, Windoze is for you.  Linux is more
complex
because it can do more.  If you take the time to learn, you will have a
powerful computing Operating System at your disposal. 

So in other words, No, Linux isn't ready for the Average User, if I may be
so bold as to claim that an Average User has only an average, and not
above-average, interest in "getting under the hood". Sacrificing
flexibility and money for ease of use is what rational consumers do - not
everyone has time to be an enthusiast or hobyist for absolutely everything.
I'm sure I could by a much more powerful and flexible microwave oven
(probably from some crazy guy whos torn his open and exposed everything),
but I'm not into microwave ovens.

Now, what pleases me about Mandrake, is Mandrake actually seems to be aware
of what the Average User wants/needs. The FTP mirrors list actually tells
you what you need to download. They're obviously putting a lot of effort
into visual installation and configuration tools. Etc, etc. I guess that's
why they won Best Distribution.

Linux will certainly become a perfectly sane choice for the Average Joe
(and we all know who Joe is, despite the inevitable "Who exactly is the
Average Joe, anyway?" type of rebuttal). Profit motive will see to that.
And when it does, it'll be because of efforts like Mandrake's.

Keep up the good work!
Chris



Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread Dan Hamilton

So in other words, No, Linux isn't ready for the Average User, if I may be
so bold as to claim that an Average User has only an average, and not
above-average, interest in "getting under the hood". Sacrificing
lexibility and money for ease of use is what rational consumers do - not
everyone has time to be an enthusiast or hobyist for absolutely everything.
I'm sure I could by a much more powerful and flexible microwave oven
(probably from some crazy guy whos torn his open and exposed everything),
but I'm not into microwave ovens.




Exactly, and who needs an ultra powerful microwave to nuke a little tv dinner? 
The average user needs little more than entertainment and an office suit with
little or no time wasted in learning how it works.  For this, they are willing
to pay big bucks.  



Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread chris

Exactly, and who needs an ultra powerful microwave to nuke a little tv
dinner? 
The average user needs little more than entertainment and an office suit with
little or no time wasted in learning how it works.  For this, they are
willing
to pay big bucks.  

What's encouraging about Linux, is that there's no reason at all someone
can't put together a distro that's brainless to install, especially for
these "Web Appliances" of the near future that we keep hearing about that
don't have to be as flexible as PCs and don't have to support as many
hardware/software choices and comes pre-installed (a BIG part of the Linux
Curve goes away if the user doesn't have to worry about isntallation). I
would think that open source software could adjust to such changing
platforms more quickly than the big dummies at MS. Eventually, I'd like a
distribution like that to be so simple that it puts Red Hat out of
business. No offense to Red Hat, but hey, freeware is freeware. (It does
kind of baffle me that a company like Red Hat can go public and have their
stock do well - who the heck would gamble on a company that takes something
that everyone can get for free, slaps a name on it,  and charges $80? Then
again, I guess Evian is doing pretty well for themselves. Besides, maybe
they're selling a lot of T-shirts.)



Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 (It does
 kind of baffle me that a company like Red Hat can go public and have their
 stock do well - who the heck would gamble on a company that takes something
 that everyone can get for free, slaps a name on it,  and charges $80?

Red Hat makes most of its money by support contracts.

LLaP
bero

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Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread James Schofield


Exactly, and who needs an ultra powerful microwave to nuke a little tv
dinner? 
The average user needs little more than entertainment and an office suit with
little or no time wasted in learning how it works.  For this, they are
willing
to pay big bucks.  


My reply to this would be like buying a NEW Car from the DEALER rather than
a HOT ROD from a Mechanic.

The Average user wants all the Warrenty and assurances - reliable service,
documentation and FULL service support that a Microsoft can and will supply. 

If you want to own a HOTROD you have to be willing to do the work yourself
to try and get the special parts etc.. from all the various venders that
will sell it. Your not going to find it all under one roof. Welcome to Linux. 

I would say that Linux is growning because of its growing user
friendlyness.. more to compete with the Windows NT platform than anything.
And really we are still talking about an OS thats primary focus is network
connectivity.. not games or office suites.

James




Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread chris

Red Hat makes most of its money by support contracts.

That makes sense. I wonder if that will work in the long run, or if
established big consultants will say "we do Linux too" and keep their old
clients through any migration to Linux. I guess they'll find out.



Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread chris

My reply to this would be like buying a NEW Car from the DEALER rather than
a HOT ROD from a Mechanic.

The Average user wants all the Warrenty and assurances - reliable service,
documentation and FULL service support that a Microsoft can and will supply. 

If you want to own a HOTROD you have to be willing to do the work yourself
to try and get the special parts etc.. from all the various venders that
will sell it. Your not going to find it all under one roof. Welcome to
Linux. 

A fine analogy, and one that raises a point that's actually interesting I
think - why do dichotomies like NEW Car / HOT ROD always arise? How
inherent are those problems? I mean, is Linux doomed to either be kind of
fringy, or lose everything appealing about it? 

For those who like worrying, this seems like something worth worrying about.

 - C



Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, James Schofield wrote:

 The Average user wants all the Warrenty and assurances - reliable service,
 documentation and FULL service support that a Microsoft can and will supply. 

Have you ever tried calling Microsoft support for something?
They really aren't much of a help. All they can tell you is to reboot your
computer. They won't fix bugs even if you report them.

 And really we are still talking about an OS thats primary focus is network
 connectivity.. not games or office suites.

I disagree. It used to be that way, yes, but it's changing. (And yes, I'm
using Linux exclusively on computers that won't ever be connected to a
network).

LLaP
bero

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Re: [newbie] Linux Not for Average Users (Was: Linux for home consumers?)

1999-08-16 Thread Rick Fry

I'm running release candidate 1 as we speak. In 1280x1024 at 24 bit color, 
by the way.


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